Projection: Nearly eight million white voters who were expected to vote, didn’t; Update: Or did they?

posted at 6:59 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

Essential reading from Sean Trende about the new demographic reality at the polls. Based on his back-of-the-envelope math, there are actually two reasons why there were more minority voters as a share of the electorate this time. One, the reason everyone knows: There were more minority voters, period. Two, the reason no one guessed: If current projections hold, there were many, many fewer white voters at the polls this year than in 2008.

Had the same number of white voters cast ballots in 2012 as did in 2008, the 2012 electorate would have been about 74 percent white, 12 percent black, and 9 percent Latino (the same result occurs if you build in expectations for population growth among all these groups). In other words, the reason this electorate looked so different from the 2008 electorate is almost entirely attributable to white voters staying home. The other groups increased their vote, but by less than we would have expected simply from population growth.

Who were they? He looked at his home state of Ohio to try to guess:

Where things drop off are in the rural portions of Ohio, especially in the southeast. These represent areas still hard-hit by the recession. Unemployment is high there, and the area has seen almost no growth in recent years.

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney’s wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

Yeah, I always thought the goal of Team O’s multifaceted class demagoguery of Romney wasn’t so much to win white working-class votes for Obama, which may have been unwinnable, as to keep potential Romney voters home. (Ross Douthat wrote about that in August too.) If Trende’s math is right, looks like it worked like gangbusters. Another bonbon from the national exit poll:

When voters were asked the same question about Obama, 10% said he’d favor the rich versus 44% who said the middle class. That was one of Romney’s meta-problems in trying to sell himself as the “recovery” candidate, of course. He was easily cast as a stereotypical rich country club Republican, and inexplicably he never did obvious things that he could have done to fight that image. He didn’t run positive ads early, while Obama was busy tearing him down every day with attack ads. He refused to run biographical ads until the very end showing off what a warm, kindhearted guy he is. He never went after Obama systematically on the basic point that preserving the liberal dream of a ballooning welfare state will require taxes on the middle class, not just “the one percent.” And he never pushed an agenda that was aimed overtly at breaks for the middle class. His task this year was to usher in a “new” Republican Party, partly in the spirit of the 2010 tea party takeover and partly in the spirit of flushing out all the stuff under Bush that soured the country on the GOP. But apart from choosing Paul Ryan, who didn’t get nearly as much time as I thought he would to push fiscal reform, there wasn’t a lot that felt new. Essentially, voters could keep O or give the guy who sounded like the guy whom O replaced a shot. Not surprising that a lot of people shrugged and stayed home.

This didn’t help Romney either:

The economic numbers are ugly but the trends were all the right way for O, and his final job approval ended up being several points higher than Bush’s was when he won reelection in 2004. How can that be? Well, here’s something I wrote in June of last year that I’ve been thinking about since Tuesday. There was an AP poll at the time that asked voters whether it was realistic to expect significant improvement in the economy in Obama’s first two years in office or whether it would take longer than that. To my surprise, the data showed that not only did the public not expect quick improvement, the number who said they didn’t remained basically constant month after month after month. Even though we were getting further and further into O’s term, the public wasn’t getting impatient. Here was my attempt to explain why at the time:

I think it could go two ways if he doesn’t turn things around by next year. One: The public will continue to cut him lots of slack well into 2012, but as the election approaches and they realize that this will be their last chance until 2016 to change course, they’ll bail and we’ll see a rapid snowball effect among those blaming him for not fixing the economy. Or two: The public will decide that the current recession is so uniquely horrible, unlike anything since the Great Depression, that it’s unfair to expect any president to make major strides in just one term, which will have the ironic effect of partly neutralizing the economy as an electoral issue. That’s completely counterintuitive given its singular importance right now (fully 93 percent in this poll say the economy is extremely or very important to them, an all-time high), but paradoxically the worse things get, the easier it is for Obama to frame slow growth and chronically high unemployment as some sort of mega-quake or force majeure for which no one could reasonably be expected to have been prepared.

Boldface added. How’s that prediction looking today? Here’s Joel Benenson, the Obama campaign’s pollster, explaining the keys to victory in the Times this morning:

Such conventional [economic] indicators failed to capture the mind-set of the American people who always had a broader view of the nation’s economic situation and what had happened to their lives. A national survey of 800 voters conducted by our firm — not for the Obama campaign — during the final weekend before Tuesday’s vote, confirmed that a clear majority of Americans viewed this election in the context of the scale of the economic crisis we faced and the deep recession that ensued.

Two key data points illustrate why Americans were always far more open to President Obama’s message and accomplishments than commentators assumed. By a three to one margin (74 percent to 23 percent), voters said that what the country faced since 2008 was an “extraordinary crisis more severe than we’ve seen in decades” as opposed to “a typical recession that the country has every several years.” At the same time, a clear majority, 57 percent, believed that the problems we faced after the crisis were “too severe for anyone to fix in a single term,” while only 4 in 10 voters believed another president would have been able to do more than Mr. Obama to get the economy moving in the past four years.

Bill Clinton famously pushed that message at the convention too, that this economic hurricane was actually Katrina/Sandy and therefore no one could reasonably be expected to have cleaned up all the debris yet. The voters bought it, and Romney’s only real countermove — hammering O on how housing policies championed by Democrats contributed to the fiscal crisis in 2008 — never really happened.

Anyway, this is all a way to try to explain why middle-class whites might have stayed home. As further validation of Trende’s theory, a quick comparison between the 2012 and 2008 exit polls shows that, among the six income classes used to measure voters, turnout as a percentage of the total electorate increased in five of them. The only one that dropped, by a whopping five percent (36% four years ago to 31% now): Voters who earn between $50,000 and $99,999 per year, i.e. the middle class. Obama and McCain basically split that vote, but Romney had a six-point advantage this time among those who showed up. Not enough did.

Needless to say, though, none of this should be taken as reassurance that the GOP’s majority is still out there and that they only need to concentrate on turning out working-class whites next time. If you assume that the exit poll’s 59/39 R/O split among whites who voted would have also held for whites who didn’t, then Romney lost a net 1.3 million votes from those who stayed home based on Trende’s projections. That’s an awful lot, but based on the current popular vote totals, it’s still not enough to erase Obama’s popular vote advantage. In fact, the GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election just once since 1988, and arguably that one — Bush’s victory in 2004 — was sui generis, a product of unusual dynamics after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. You know how Democrats regularly outnumber Republicans in polls of adults and registered voters? Well, the lesson of this election is that Obama’s organization was good enough at turning people out to make election day results look like a poll of registered voters. That’s a scary prospect for the GOP, and turning out more rural whites in Ohio won’t be enough to solve it.

Update: Pollster Bill McInturff fires back hard at Trende’s theory by insisting that, while turnout may be down a little this year, the “missing” voters can be explained very simply: They just haven’t been counted yet. In 2008, fully 9.5 million votes weren’t counted until after election day. This year, it could be as high as 9.9 million based on projection. In fact, he says, turnout in swing states was up. It’s the Sandy states, not surprisingly, where the vote went down:

Two things, though. One: Trende’s piece attempted to account for ballots that hadn’t been counted yet. He estimated that seven million were still outstanding. Even if he lowballed the number, there are still a lot of “missing” voters. Two: The exit poll data about reduced turnout among middle-class voters is what it is, no matter how many ballots are still out. I’m not sure why Sandy would have affected the middle class disproportionately, which means something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls.

Update: Trende e-mails with a third objection to McInturff. Turnout in Ohio, the swingiest state of all, evidently was not up this year:

Ohio vote is in, less provisional ballots. That’s why I used Ohio for my article. Absentees here were counted first this year.

200K provisional ballots were cast in 2008. If as many were cast this year, it would yield about 3.35M votes in OH (since about a fifth to a quarter are typically tossed).

In 2008, 3.62M were cast. So contra McInturff’s post, turnout was down in at least one swing state not on the Atlantic coast, and by about 8% at that. Of course, Ohio’s population has also grown since 2008, if only slightly.


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bgibbs1000 on November 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Well, like most analogies, it breaks down at some point. It was only meant to describe choices when ideological purity intersects pragmatism.

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Who’s preaching now?

I was heated. I AM heated. No apologies. Just who I am. :)

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:11 PM

So defending oneself is now preaching. Got it. No apologies here, either. Just who I am.

predator on November 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

We were offered Barry’s Wonder Stew or the RNC’s Wonder Stew, all while we were looking on the menu for Chili.

Limerick on November 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

He wasn’t conservative at all.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM

It doesn’t matter. Our choice were a moderate and an extreme liberal. The equation changes but the end results are the same. Which person’s policies are you more comfortable with?

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Unlike you, I don’t kick honest people who worked their behinds off on our behalf, in the butt when they are down.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM

He was not doing that. Certainly on on my behalf. With that analogy, you must love Obama, as hard as he works for us. Romney was working on the behalf of making sure the elderly keep their generational stolen booty and to make certain the children today keep paying forever for it.

lol It already has been. We’re trying to cure it. Hence the analogy.

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

He was not trying to cure anything. Just treat the symptoms a little bit and MAKE CERTAIN the kids get it, for generations to come.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

predator on November 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I was there hon. :)

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Failing to connect with the white working class is not a sign of insufficient conservatism. It may be a sign of insufficient imagination. Or it may just be a sign of bad luck.

If there had been a “true conservative” revolt, a candidate like Johnson would have gotten a lot more protest votes.

This looks like a Perotista sitdown stroke.

Seth Halpern on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Have you a valid point, or is your intent to stir the excrement until the odor emanates and pervades?

P.S. Don’t bother answering; I already know how you operate, you spineless sh!t.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

STOP. ELECTING. MODERATES.

It’s that simple.

rgrovr on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

It doesn’t matter. Our choice were a moderate and an extreme liberal. The equation changes but the end results are the same. Which person’s policies are you more comfortable with?

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Some people chose not to consent and to just take the licks that were coming. The primary voters took their chance with “my views are progressive” and they lost, like i told them they would. I voted for the turd and it makes me sick to think I let people like you, not you specifically, talk me into doing so.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Whites – it’s over. The best you can do is speed up the decline. Starve the beast of cash, and use as many services as possible. Tell em your a minority if needed. Scream racist if they ask you to prove it. Cloward-Piven and Alinsky cut both ways. They want a welfare state. I plan on exploiting the hell out of it.

The longer til the collapse, the stronger and more invasive the coming surveillance/police state will be, and the more cash that will be extracted from you. And let’s face it – DC views YOU as the problem. They will make your life difficult. If you have to fill out a form for the gov., will checking the “White” box help or hurt you? Nuff said.

After the collapse we can rebuild. It’s over now.

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Whoa…..its getting nativist as heck up in here…..

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Ha. Strike.

Seth Halpern on November 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I felt the same way the night of and yesterday. Today…not so much. Now MAN UP!

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Show me an IRS agent who gives one crap if you are brown black white or yellow. All they want to see is your green.

Limerick on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

We’re gonna get amnesty one way or the other. And whatever version Obama is gonna pass now is going to be much worse than what Bush tried back in 2007. Sad.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I don’t like calling people racists but her posts these past few days have really focused on Rubio and his race and really hateful.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

She, or whatever it is, is being deceitful, and has been from the get.

I’m putting it on my ignore list; I would recommend everyone do the same. The diva is only about stirring the pot. It is painfully obvious by now, though many of us tried to correspond intelligently with the being to which we’re referring.

Who knows if it’s a she or a he? More importantly, who cares? It has proven itself to be an instigator, a troublemaker, a hate-monger and worse.

That’s all I need to know.

God Bless all of you.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

God Bless you as well.
By the way, I’m an Illini grad too. Please don’t consider all of us like Illinidiva because she has that handle.

22044 on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Whoa…..its getting nativist as heck up in here…..
libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

GTFO racist!

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Re-districting….

idesign on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

It doesn’t matter.

We lost so yes it does matter.

Our choice were a moderate and an extreme liberal.

It was a choice between a liberal and a pretend liberal (actually a socialist).

The equation changes but the end results are the same. Which person’s policies are you more comfortable with?

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I can’t tell the difference between their policies.

Romney AGREED with Obama for several of the debates and his history is one of pushing the same damn thing as the leftists.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM


Romney lost it when he didn’t call Obama on Benghazi AND the economy during the debates. He was far too easy on him and thus came away looking moderate and thus weak.

I bet Newt would never have allowed that to happen.It’s typical of the GOP to allow the ” next in line to get the nomination”, like McCain. Maybe next time the GOP will nominate a real conservative. And Oh, by the way, I became an Independent from being an R prior to the 2008 election in which I voted for Barr because I thought McCain was also too moderate.

I can certainly see why the Latino/a vote doesn’t vote GOP when a white man like me feels disenfranchised from uber elitist freaks who have lost their focus on promoting their core strengths.

Maybe next time the GOP will hire someone other than a man who’s name sounds like a compact foreign hybrid vehicle for RNC Chairman.

Romney~The Other White Meat

DevilsPrinciple on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

How do we stop Boehner and his push for amnesty?

Mr. Arrogant on November 8, 2012 at 8:24 PM

@ingrahamangle

Until GOP comes to terms w/ how corrosive certain GWB policies were to the GOP &conservatism (brought us Obama), we’ll continue to lose WH.

Yeah, i think we need to talk about this. The bush tax cuts took a load of people off the tax rolls…not really good strategy.

bush had no finesse. immigration, SS reform, medicare D, affordable housing

no response to horrid vicious attacks…VP would could not be party leader once term was over.

how about that for a start Laura?

r keller on November 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Yep. Bush policies and him not responding to attacks has played a huge part in killing the GOP brand. The #1 issue was the economy but according to the exit polls more people still blame Bush..hard to win with that underlying fact since the GOP in general seems unable to actually boldly fight back against the media/dems.

Wasn’t it Rove’s idea not to respond to the attacks against Bush? You know his super pac spent like $400 million this election and I heard we got beat in every race that his super pac spent on….WTF! The Bush Administration betrayed Conservatism in policy/spending and their reputation is still killing us at the polls…Talk about a lose lose result.

jaygatz33 on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Great post! Got any names in mind for 2016..?

d1carter on November 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Thanks, but no one in particular yet. Based on what I think the economy will look like then, Economaggedon, I think we’ll need someone with business experience and/or a governor of a red state. Would be best if he had both backgrounds, but business first, politics second.

For this reason, as much as I love Rubio, Jindall, Cruz, Haley, Martinez, etc., the country’s going to need, ironically, a serious CEO type, like Romney, but with an ability to clearly communicate with our base and the independents, and how to avoid self-inflicted wounds. He will also need the ability to know when and how to go for the jugular, playing nice with these Dems, in ads or on stage, is signing your own death warrant.

Finally, and as I said before, he won’t need to be an absolutely perfect conservative on every single issue, just one has been consistently conservative over the years.

For what it’s worth …

TXUS on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Jay Cost, in the Headlines section, also estimating that some 10 million whites did not vote.

He attributes Obama’s victory to two things:

1) The most intense get-out-the-base campaign waged since Truman in 1948. War on Women, Dream Act, Obamaphones, etc. And it worked.

2) The most successful voter-suppression campaign waged since… anyone, successfully defining Romney as “the other” for the lower and middle class white voter who had no intention of voting for Obama but needed to be persuaded that Romney was their kind of guy. Between Obama’s successful summer ad campaign to convince them he wasn’t (Bain, rich, offshore accounts, out-of-touch, 47%, etc.) and Romney’s less-than-heartland-conservative appeal, these voters were convinced to stay home.

Cost concludes that the next GOP nominee must be someone reflective of the heart of the GOP: someone from or with strong ties to the heartland. (Although, wasn’t that who Ryan was supposed to be?)

Brief article, worth the read.

de rigueur on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

http://townhall.com/columnists/armstrongwilliams/2012/03/13/allen_west_betrayed/page/full/

As idesign said…re-districting.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?
Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?
Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Mia Love lost because a libertarian win more votes than she lost by. Once again, the losertarian loses us a seat but at least he made a statement!

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

It doesn’t matter. Our choice were a moderate and an extreme liberal. The equation changes but the end results are the same. Which person’s policies are you more comfortable with?

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

A choice between Stalin and Brezhnev is no choice. Socialist and Socialist Lite is no choice. It all ends with Socialism. You don’t break that chain by voting for the “lesser’ of two evils.

Sorry – but you just don’t because the GOP will CONTINUE to nominate out of touch, out of step LIBERALS forever because THEY KNOW YOU WILL VOTE FOR THEM ON ELECTION DAY.

I pulled that lever for Obama – bigger than sh1t because I know that vote sends a message to the Ayatollahs that their little game is up. Give me a good candidate – or I’ll vote for the greater of two evils. Cut government like you’ve been saying you would for 50 years – or you don’t get my vote.

Simple really.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

And which one of the primary candidates would you have chosen, that you believe would have performed better since you were so sure Mitt was the wrong choice between them last year and doled out “warnings”?

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I voted for Newt, he has a proven track record of cutting entitlements.

He also would not have run a me only campaign like Romney did. He would have came up with a large battle plan that required congress and would have inspired people to get out and vote for him and the down ticket (like contract with America). He would have had solutions that fit the bill for 70% or more of the electorate, thus not disenfranchising people. They would have been specific and something that you knew you were going to get, instead of ideas with no meaning or meat behind them.

Was he perfect, no, but as is evidenced, Romney was not electable. Romney was a failure. Romney was not willing to do what was needed to win.

By the way, when it was time for Florida to vote in the Primary, 99.5% of every penny Romney spent for the primary there was negative. 99.5%, that along with a concerted effort from Hot Air, Drudge and others to take Newt down made Romney the nominee.

Guess if the idea that Obama character assassinated Romney is true, it is sick and twisted poetic justice.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Do tell – which of the non-White groups are voting for conservatives >50%? Demographics are destiny. The 1965 Immigration Act planted the seed. It’s grown to maturity. Whites are now tax slaves.

When it was just Blacks living on the welfare plantation we could keep it going. Now the rest are suckling at DC’s teet. People immigrate just for the welfare. I refuse to participate and pay for it. I cut my income by 50% when Obama was elected. This past election merely confirmed my hypothesis.

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I believe Christie wanted Romney to lose. Had Romney been successful, Paul Ryan would have been “on deck” after a Romney Presidency.

If the “Fatman” wins re-election, watch him start building a Presidential campaign. Christie is a snake.

bw222 on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I believe he was a self-serving bastage, the opposite of team-player and pretty much the opposite of Romney character-wise. But do not worry, he has 0, zilch chance to make it big on the national scene, at best he will flop like Giuliani, for different reasons though. Apart from pissing off everybody on the right (even RINOs were miffed by his new found love for Obozo) he has that huge weight problem. And I am not talking looks only, but health-wise too, he won’t be able to sustain the levels of effort required by non-stop campaigning. The SCOAMF and Romney are both in excellent shape physically, and yet they looked drained and exhausted at times, this kind of national campaigning takes its toll. His weight problem precludes him from intense campaigning from the get go. Besides, when you look like he does, the handicap that you have to overcome image-wise is unsurmountable, people will see just that, a big bag of fat, and believe me, am not one to judge by the looks, but politics is 90% image and perceptions.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

The GOP needs a fighter like Palin. Someone who never calls the anti christ president obama but obama. Someone who goes after him for Obamacare, Hurricane sandy, debt, deficit, unemployment, quantitative easing, bengazi etc.

I voted for romney (what the establishment gave me), but what was his message, Bengazi – no (can’t upset the moderates), Obamacare – no (no enacted romneycare BEFORE obamacare), Hurricane sandy fema lack of response – no (might piss off his fat pal christie), debt/deficit – no (he did a little but not too much or he’d piss off the 47%) etc.. Then you wonder why he got less votes than mccain.

Can you get at better opportunity than to unseat Obama- 8% unemployment, 16 tillion in debt, Bengazi etc.. I mean, how do you screw this up.

You screw it up because your are a moderate. You have no core beliefs. Which brings me back to Palin. We haven’t seen a ture conservative on the ballot for 24 years. For all the crap she takes from the GOP eastblishment, she is true to her beliefs. I bet Hispanics, asians etc. over time would love that quality.

Danielvito on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Mia Love lost because a libertarian win more votes than she lost by. Once again, the losertarian loses us a seat but at least he made a statement!

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

He had a right to make it too. And you know what – people will always make that choice and I know it pi$$es you off – but guess what. Suck it up bro this is Democracy and you don’t control the votes or actions of other people.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Okay, we’ve heard all the reasons why people voted for Obama. When we’re faced with the same economy in 2016, what will be their excuse then?

More time? More money? More Democrats?

For those who ‘stayed home’. You’ve got NOTHING to say for the next 4 years.

GarandFan on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Bachmann I can’t address, but it is Minnesota, a blue state.

West got redistricted–by his own party, if I remember correctly.

Love lost just enough votes to a Liberatarian to put her opposition in office. (Thanks, libertarians)

predator on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

and they lost, like i told them they would.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

One of the big reasons we lost is because people stayed home and didn’t vote (hint). That you refer to people as “turds” and just by your general tone, you seem angry. I would think that since you are telling us how right you were that you would be happy.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Denigrate, marginalize and ridicule Ron Paul and his supporters and then the Republicans can’t figure out why they stayed home. They had the opportunity to nominate a true patriot and they went with a third rate Reagan impersonator and phony conservative. They got exactly what they asked for. Perhaaps it’s time for the Republicans to go the way of the Whigs.

LCT688 on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?
Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?
Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Re-districting….
idesign on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

“Our candidate just wasn’t conservative enough” conservatives, moving goalposts with the ease since Barry Goldwater.

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I cannot believe all the talk about “voter suppression.”

As soon as Obama-lite got the nod, I lost interest. I tried to work up some reason to vote for him, but just couldn’t find one. “He’s not Obama” isn’t working any more. I voted for Dole because he wasn’t Clinton. I voted for Bush because he wasn’t Gore. I voted for McCain because he wasn’t Obama.

How about giving me a West or Bachmann? Heck! I’d even take Rick Perry, if he could stay awake through the primaries.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Obamacare ORomneycare Obamacare ORomneycare
Talk about a winning issue for the GOP and they go and nominate the father of Obamacare. How could he possibly give a believeable reason for saying that he was going to repeal Obamacare at the same time he is defending ORomneycare. 10th amendment? Most peoples eyes glaze over when that is your argument. Who thinks that the average person has even heard of or knows what he was talking about. Mitt may be a great person but his need to be president all but secured Obamacare. He invented it and now he has sealed its fate on us.

jims on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

And which one of the primary candidates would you have chosen, that you believe would have performed better since you were so sure Mitt was the wrong choice between them last year and doled out “warnings”?

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Rick Perry would have made a stronger showing with the BASE … WITH HISPANICS … AND WITH WHITES.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Keep kicking, you classless buffoon.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

THe stormfront crowd is out…theyve been mucking up Ace’s all day.

tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

.
You are correct.
You starve the beast.
How many good ol’ boys and farmers gonna buy a GM or Ford Truck when they need to? Buy UAW ? WHY ?
STOP FEEDING THE BEAST
I used to think that this was un-American thinking. These are American jobs… how could anyone not support America.

NOW I SEE THE LIGHT ! Buying a GM or FORD product is supporting the UAW and the Democrat Party. NO MAS. Yes- there will be friendly casualty via this empowerment- but guess what- thats minimal (or, not optimal) compared to the casualties most of America is facing daily.

Yes its time for a Chik-a-Filet comon sense approach to how we want to go about supporting the 47%. WE should have the leverage to make the changes necessary.
Its always been about leverage- and its time to turn the tables- BECAUSE TIME IS RUNNING OUT.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Just my opinion–I think the election was won by the democrats because of “free stuff”. You know the promises of free tuition for the young people, bailouts, stimulus, amnesty (not because of freedom) – more free stuff, food stamps, phones, housing, and healthcare. This list goes on and on. Right? ALL ABOUT ” free stuff”, period. I have voted as a Republican for over 40 years, and I know this threat will mean nothing to the elites of the party, but if this Boehner follows through with his current plans of amnesty and reaching across the aisle, I will officially never vote for another Republican. Also, I look for Chris Christie to switch to the democrat party.

mobydutch on November 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Cost concludes that the next GOP nominee must be someone reflective of the heart of the GOP: someone from or with strong ties to the heartland. (Although, wasn’t that who Ryan was supposed to be?)
Brief article, worth the read.
de rigueur on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Yes but I feel like Ryan wasn’t affective enough. I mean he wasn’t that same Ryan that owned Obama in that meeting they had before ObamaCare was passed. I think who ever was coaching himself him time it down and far too much.

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Presidential candidates lead the vote. That is why there is almost always a midterm correction where the white house loses seats in the congress. If Romney would have led as his job was and won the vote, we would have had a large number of coattails. That is how it works.

Your not very up on politics are you? This is politics junior high level.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

When will all of you realize that turning out the white conservative vote will not be enough in presidential Elections going forward? The white vote is gradually decreasing every 4 years while the minority vote is increasing. In 4 years, the white vote will be under 70% and 40% of them will be liberals, single white women and young voters that will vote for the Democratic nominee. It’s FACT.

Why the reluctance to address the GOP minority problem? Conservatism is color and ethnic group blind, you know. I strongly believe in conservative principle and racism never affected my ideal. Conservatism makes more sense than socialism for most including minorities. The reason they vote Democrat isn’t because they reject conservatism or love hand outs…It’s because they don’t think Republicans accept them and want them.
The idea that minorities are voting for Democrats because they are mostly lazy people that want government to take care of them is very insulting to millions of hard working minority PROFESSIONALS. Always making that generalization is quite hurtful. Why do you think Asian Americans voted for Obama at even higher percentage than Latino? Because they hear what Republicans say about immigrants in general. They don’t think Republicans will welcome then because of their race.

Sure many minorities are living off government hand outs but so are many white families! Why can’t Republicans work hard to get the votes of hard working minorities that same way they fight to get the vote of hard working whites? It start with tuning down the degrading rhetoric about food stamps and hand outs because most minorities see it as an insult to them even when it does not include them.

In every society, minority groups tend to look out for each other. Insulting some of them is taken as an offense by most of them. Have you noticed that whenever a black or Latino gets in a restaurant or business in white neighborhood, they tend to acknowledge each other? It’s a natural reaction that comes with the inner belief that they are in unwelcome turf. That does not happen in New York or San Francisco or Los Angeles but in every Republican area…

Minorities are not comfortable with Republicans because they feel unwanted and disrespected. Most of tem don’t need hand outs or preferential treatment…They just want to be respect despite the color of their skin or social status. IS that too much to expect from Republicans?

Focusing on the white vote is a losing proposition for Republicans in Presidential Elections. It’s time to embrace minorities by addressing immigration and school reform.
Minorities will be more receptive to conservatism when they realize that Republicans care about them as much as they care about their own people…

jules on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

It doesn’t bother me when libertarians run in districts that have a Rino going for office. I’m sick of Rinos. But Love was a pretty hard core constituional candidate. Liberatarians didn’t help themselves, that district, or the nation by costing her that seat. There is such a thing as picking the right targets.

predator on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Did you read the entire piece?

Almost 10 MILLION votes have not been counted for. I am willing to make a huge bet that a really good number of those are for R candidates.

The day prior to elections it was all over the place that news media, along with Hussein, will make a quick announcement that Hussein has won, thus forcing Romney to concede. Which he did. While they are still counting the 10 MILLION votes.

I do not fault Romney for the campaign, as much as I never liked his candidacy in the first place, but I do fault him, FULLY, for conceding the night of the elections when so many votes have obviously not been counted yet what with all the shenanigans by the liberals. Which they PRE-ANNOUNCED THE DAY BEFORE.

Count the votes, ALL OF THEM, then I’ll make my concession speech. Not a minute before. We got time, another week or so would do change things in any way.

What happens if by the time all the votes are counted Romney is the winner? They are only 2.5 Million apart with the massive fraud in play, out of 10 MILLION still to be counted I would bet that at least 6 Million are for Rs. If not more when all is said and done.

I predict that now that liberals have proven the “model” works, and as also proven by Putin earlier this year and now used here with same effect, GOP won’t ever win an election until all of this fraud is stopped.

When 99.9% of a precinct votes you simply know its fraud, can’t EVER happen in real life. EVER. Yellow Pages election, nothing but.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

LCT688 on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Just can’t wait for him to be Ralph Corvair in a nursing home next trip around. Barry would have won 51 states.

Limerick on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

He had a right to make it too. And you know what – people will always make that choice and I know it pi$$es you off – but guess what. Suck it up bro this is Democracy and you don’t control the votes or actions of other people.
HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

That’s cute coming from a fool such as yourself.

jawkneemusic on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

How about giving me a West or Bachmann? Heck! I’d even take Rick Perry, if he could stay awake through the primaries.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

FYI- West is unemployed as well.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

You make some very good points. Even if I concede to everything you wrote, it is still inconceivable to me that anyone would vote for Obama. The most “liberal” Republican is far more preferable than any liberal Democrat.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

nyone, successfully defining Romney as “the other” for the lower and middle class white voter who had no intention of voting for Obama but needed to be persuaded that Romney was their kind of guy. Between Obama’s successful summer ad campaign to convince them he wasn’t (Bain, rich, offshore accounts, out-of-touch, 47%, etc.) and Romney’s less-than-heartland-conservative appeal, these voters were convinced to stay home

Well, the funny thing is we KNEW all of this way back in the primary, when Obama was already running Bain attack ads. And we STILL nominated him. Why should we blame anyone but our own stupidity?

If we were going to lose like this, we might as well have run Newt. I don’t see how Newt could have done any worse. At least he could have fired up the conservative base.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Perhaaps it’s time for the Republicans to go the way of the Whigs.

LCT688 on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

IF BOEHNER, MCCONNELL AND CORNYN ARE STILL IN THEIR POSITIONS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW – THEY WILL GO THE WAY OF THE WHIGS.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

jaygatz33 on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Would you people get off the ‘blame Bush’ bullsh!t bandwagon already?
Sheesh, he got elected twice.

chewmeister on November 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

MY post might seem out of left field, but the last two elections have caused me to hate the electoral college. Blue states like my own are completely ignored and the electorate feels disconnected and left out…kind of like the kid on Christmas who watches his older brother open gifts while he sits there with nothing. Voters feel like their vote doesn’t matter so why bother? Any thoughts?

lamaestra57 on November 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Oh and by the way – let’s give Reeces Pieces – the Chairman of the RNC – a big THANK YOU for the RNC’s performance this election cycle!

Also – nice to note that the might Reeces Pieces couldn’t even find a way to throw his home state to Willard! LMFAO!!

Another establishment boy that needs to be FIRED!

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I would say to Pollster Bill McInturff the increase in swing state vote is a nice dodge. No one said turnout hadn’t increased in some places.

As he notes the vote total the Thursday morning after each election shows a 3 million vote drop. That is apples to apples. The vote is down 3 million and that is way more than even he puts down to Sandy.

He also admits that in the end the total vote count is likely to be down from the previous election. This almost never happens.In fact it’s only happened twice in the last century. 2012 and 1996. Vote totals are supposed to go up, there are more people to vote.

Yes, vote in swing states was up 3%. The total vote is supposed to go up. The number of eligible voters increased by 4.5%. It was probably higher percentage in some of those swing states as they are the ones experiencing the highest population increases. Even given his optimistic estimate the vote total is not going to exceed 2008.

Both parties registered millions more people since 2008. If you end up with even the same vote total that means some people from 2008 did not show up. Yes people died but people also came of age too along with becoming citizens. Our population is increasing,not dropping.

And yes it is optimistic. Early voting increased by 3% this year. Why this is lumped in with absentee and provisional votes to be counted I don’t know. By all news accounts the ear;y votes are the first to be counted on election night. So there are 3% more of the total vote which should have been counted on election night and would mean the percentage to be counted after election day would be less than 2008, not more.

I would say the estimate of 7 million more after election day is probably spot on for 2012. Given the numbers we have that means a total vote count around 126 million. That’s 6 million less than 2008. Almost a 5% drop. Those people who cast those votes in 2008 didn’t just up and disappear.

Rocks on November 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?
Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?
Bee on November 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Report: Allen West Now Leads Initial Vote Count In Dem-Leaning County…

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The GOP needs a fighter like Palin. Someone who never calls the anti christ president obama but obama. Someone who goes after him for Obamacare, Hurricane sandy, debt, deficit, unemployment, quantitative easing, bengazi etc.

I voted for romney (what the establishment gave me), but what was his message, Bengazi – no (can’t upset the moderates), Obamacare – no (no enacted romneycare BEFORE obamacare), Hurricane sandy fema lack of response – no (might piss off his fat pal christie), debt/deficit – no (he did a little but not too much or he’d piss off the 47%) etc.. Then you wonder why he got less votes than mccain.

Can you get at better opportunity than to unseat Obama- 8% unemployment, 16 tillion in debt, Bengazi etc.. I mean, how do you screw this up.

You screw it up because your are a moderate. You have no core beliefs. Which brings me back to Palin. We haven’t seen a ture conservative on the ballot for 24 years. For all the crap she takes from the GOP eastblishment, she is true to her beliefs. I bet Hispanics, asians etc. over time would love that quality.

Danielvito on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

It is obvious Palin doesn’t the presidency. If she wanted it she could have run this year.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

How about giving me a West or Bachmann? Heck! I’d even take Rick Perry, if he could stay awake through the primaries.
Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

A beyond gaining your vote, how many more does the Republican party lose in the larger electorate by electing people that would have lost WORSE just not to lose yours?

If its as you say it is then the question for the party becomes, do you lose 3 million, or 15 million by chasing those 1/5 that amount of hard core folks you missed last go round? Not a difficult choice.

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Tell me again how things are going to be worse under Obomney than they would have been under Rombama.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

You sound like some high school kid.

And, if you don’t know the difference between Romney and obama, then you aren’t really intelligent enough to talk with.

Solaratov on November 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Trollapaloooza around here anymore. Very unpleasant atmosphere since they invaded, kind of like opening a blog post and finding cockroaches in every cupboard. Well have fun, I don’t like bugs.

scalleywag on November 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

When it was just Blacks living on the welfare plantation we could keep it going. Now the rest are suckling at DC’s teet. People immigrate just for the welfare. I refuse to participate and pay for it. I cut my income by 50% when Obama was elected. This past election merely confirmed my hypothesis.

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Like I said earlier. This sentiment is only going to grow as white people become increasingly familiar with what it feels like to believe that your country doesn’t have your best interests at heart. Perhaps you’ll understand, at last, why minorities “cling” to their racial identities so much. Its going to be interesting. I only pray that someone like Kungfoochimp doesn’t choose to express this resentment with violence.

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

terryannonline Do you always call your opponents racist or is it just people who point out that Rubio wouldn’t be the frontrunner if he wasn’t Latino. Please name me one accomplishment that he has to his name in the last two years.. There are none. However, I hear all this perky optimism that Rubio will save us!! And as a kicker, his main accomplishment is that he gives pretty speeches.. Um like Obama. He also gives a variation on the same speech. Seriously, I’ve heard him give his Senate victory speech a gazillion times. He gave that same speech at the convention.. But yes.. let’s affirmative action vote.

Also, just because I don’t buy Pollyanna junk, doesn’t mean I’m a liberal troll. Seriously.. in 2008, McCain was going to win. In 2012 Romney was going to win. And now two days after a devastating election all I hear about is how Rubio’s going to win in a landslide in 2016. No.. more likely lightweight will lose to Clinton. Which means that they’ll probanly never be a R President again. But let’s just pretend that we’re going to win.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Keep kicking, you classless buffoon.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Looks like the crazies and low life types are back in force, making this site such a ‘delight alas, again ‘ :)

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Keep kicking, you classless buffoon.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Poor baby. You lost loser! You failed to win by attacking conservatives. Your moderate progressive (r) savior left you for dead! YOU MAN! left you for DEAD, lying on the side of the road bleeding! He did not deliver as promised. Blame everyone else, sycophants like you always do!

Romney was dead on day one after the primary apparently. Glad you all had a grand time attacking me for the last 9 months. Good bit it did for you!

Hope you lose your job or if you run a business it goes under. I do not like you. Me, I will be fine, if nothing else, I can go 100% disability and move to a third world nation and live better than you.

I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

The only joy I get out of Obama winning though is your misery. Just yours. Not the other SEIU thugs around here. Just the OWS you!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

jims on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

This^^^^

chewmeister on November 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Denigrate, marginalize and ridicule Ron Paul and his supporters and then the Republicans can’t figure out why they stayed home.

LCT688 on November 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

What a misguided little piece of chit you are, same as your other comrades in arms.

You, communist lite azzholes, OPENLY stated here in NV that you will vote for Hussein. In media, letter after letter, right prior to elections. You are all nothing but scum, same as your cult leader, communist lite with racist and anti-semitic rantings.

You, commies, did not stay home, you VOTED FOR HUSSEIN. Stop lying, your racist, anti-semitic cult leader has been doing it for decades. Enough already with your crap.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

For those who ‘stayed home’. You’ve got NOTHING to say for the next 4 years.

GarandFan on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Sorry dude, my father’s 32 years and my 8 years in the military both trump your tantrum. I can continue to say exactly what I please as long as I want to.

I love it. Next, you’re going to tell me you’re a constitutionalist, apparently except for the first amendment. My second amendment will be exercised the first time some offal like you tries to stop me from voicing my opinion in an open forum.

Here’s your sign.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Presidential candidates lead the vote.
Your not very up on politics are you? This is politics junior high level.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

.
Middle school level politics understands a split ticket, and you are incorrect as your jive should have the Rs losing 20-30 Congressional seats, as well. THAT didn’t happen.

And the Senate may have turned out much differently had a more palatable group of candidates had been chosen.

Murdock- Akin – McMahon 2.0 ?
Nothing was learned from Angle/McDonnell.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

You are correct sir. A man as morbidly and disgustingly obese as Christie will never be elected president. Before TV maybe, not now.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 8:40 PM

How about giving me a West or Bachmann? Heck! I’d even take Rick Perry, if he could stay awake through the primaries.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I agree that the RNC does not put forth a truly conservative candidate. I am frustrated as well. The answer definitely is not just simply choosing not to vote at all. Avoidance is never the answer. Do you actually try and get involved or do you just write commentaries on the internet? You can’t change anything if you do nothing.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

You really are a complete psychopath.

wargamer6 on November 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Report: Allen West Now Leads Initial Vote Count In Dem-Leaning County…

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I had absolutely no doubt about this from the get go. No one is 11 points ahead just days from election and then, miraculously, looses.

Too bad Romney folded so early. Hussein and Ds did not win, no way no how.

Stalin was right about vote counting. Too bad that only Allen West knows history and decided not to fold early.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

@ingrahamangle

Until GOP comes to terms w/ how corrosive certain GWB policies were to the GOP &conservatism (brought us Obama), we’ll continue to lose WH.

Yeah, i think we need to talk about this. The bush tax cuts took a load of people off the tax rolls…not really good strategy.

bush had no finesse. immigration, SS reform, medicare D, affordable housing

no response to horrid vicious attacks…VP would could not be party leader once term was over.

how about that for a start Laura?

r keller on November 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Yep. Bush policies and him not responding to attacks has played a huge part in killing the GOP brand. The #1 issue was the economy but according to the exit polls more people still blame Bush.

jaygatz33 on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Plus the housing mess, financial crisis, bailouts, TARP, crony capitalism, big government, spending, deficits, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Bush really was an unmitigated disaster for the GOP. In retrospect, it would have been far easier to pick up the pieces after a first Kerry term.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Minorities are not comfortable with Republicans because they feel unwanted and disrespected. Most of tem don’t need hand outs or preferential treatment…They just want to be respect despite the color of their skin or social status. IS that too much to expect from Republicans?

How is the Republican party being disrespectful to blacks? Can you give some examples?

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Also, just because I don’t buy Pollyanna junk, doesn’t mean I’m a liberal troll. Seriously.. in 2008, McCain was going to win. In 2012 Romney was going to win. And now two days after a devastating election all I hear about is how Rubio’s going to win in a landslide in 2016. No.. more likely lightweight will lose to Clinton. Which means that they’ll probanly never be a R President again. But let’s just pretend that we’re going to win.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I have the best solution for you, why don ‘t you vote for Clinton or whoever is going to be the Dem nominee, maybe that will put you out of your misery and you will be on the winning side again :)..I think it’s a pretty fair deal for you.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Two: The exit poll data about reduced turnout among middle-class voters is what it is, no matter how many ballots are still out. I’m not sure why Sandy would have affected the middle class disproportionately, which means something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls.

The exit poll data, according to CNN, also show a drop of 2% in the participation of voters aged 30-44. Instead we had 1% more people in each of the groups from 18-29 and 45-59. It wasn’t just middle class but middle class people, probably white, from 30-44. This age group was probably the hardest hit by the housing bubble burst and layoffs.
A recipe for disenchantment, with both parties. But it should have been ripe for the picking for a guy trying to unseat an incumbent.

Rocks on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I only pray that someone like Kungfoochimp doesn’t choose to express this resentment with violence.

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

You mean like libs tend to do?

chewmeister on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

You make some very good points. Even if I concede to everything you wrote, it is still inconceivable to me that anyone would vote for Obama.

They mostly just stayed home.

The most “liberal” Republican is far more preferable than any liberal Democrat.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Against a great evil, a small remedy does not produce a small result; it produces no result at all.

Romney, Ryan and the GOP are talking nickels and dimes and the problem is in the trillions of dollars. Ryan’s plan which Romney wasn’t on board with wouldn’t even balance the budget until 2040. Thats 6 or 7 presidencies and Congresses. Its a fantasy not a plan.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Middle school level politics understands a split ticket, and you are incorrect as your jive should have the Rs losing 20-30 Congressional seats, as well. THAT didn’t happen.

And the Senate may have turned out much differently had a more palatable
group of candidates had been chosen.

Murdock- Akin – McMahon 2.0 ?
Nothing was learned from Angle/McDonnell.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So, you agree that Mitt was a turd and a detriment? Right? You conceed it was the CANDIDATE?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

What disgusts me more about Romney’s campaign is that he showed more fervor denigrating and minimizing fellow Conservatives in the Primaries that he showed going after the President of the opposing party.

DIS.GUST.ING.

rgrovr on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Rick Perry would have made a stronger showing with the BASE … WITH HISPANICS … AND WITH WHITES.
HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Yet somehow couldn’t make a strong enough showing to win even the REPUBLICAN Primary. He was also an easy characiture of a Xerox’d George W Bush. What, does the Rick Perry you see only materialize after primary season?

Rick Perry would have been destroyed in the General Election. And if he had stronger support in the “base” than Mitt, how come he couldn’t even beat Romney in the primary?

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I have no idea how you can call Rubio vapid. Have you ever heard the man speak? Nothing vapid about him.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Didn’t someone say that very same thing about the clean, articulate – albeit inexperienced – negro with no negro dialect, at one time?
How’d that work out?

Solaratov on November 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

One of the LSM talking heads (I forget which one) said the same thing about Obama and got a complete pass.

predator on November 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM

You really are a complete psychopath.

wargamer6 on November 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I show people the respect they prove they deserve. Nothing more or less once they prove what they deserve.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM

libfreeordie on November 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Ever seen a prison show? Notice how people segregate into homogenous racial groups? It’s human nature. The non-White ethnic groups are aware that money is being taken from the White middle and upper classes and given to them by the Democrats. They are happy about this. There are now too few Whites to control the process. As Milton Friedman said, “The real rate of taxation is the rate of spending.” We owe 16 trillion, probably 21 trillion four years from now. Who will the feds try to extract that from?

As for your assertion that I am some psychopath, it doesn’t deserve a response, and it reflects poorly on you. Why not use facts to show where I am wrong instead.

Kungfoochimp on November 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I would rather have someone who is at least attempting to cut the deficit, no matter how small, to someone who is doubling and tripling it.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

What about the 10 million democrats that did not vote?

Mr. Arrogant on November 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Poor baby. You lost loser! You failed to win by attacking conservatives. Your moderate progressive (r) savior left you for dead! YOU MAN! left you for DEAD, lying on the side of the road bleeding! He did not deliver as promised. Blame everyone else, sycophants like you always do!

Romney was dead on day one after the primary apparently. Glad you all had a grand time attacking me for the last 9 months. Good bit it did for you!

Hope you lose your job or if you run a business it goes under. I do not like you. Me, I will be fine, if nothing else, I can go 100% disability and move to a third world nation and live better than you.

I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

The only joy I get out of Obama winning though is your misery. Just yours. Not the other SEIU thugs around here. Just the OWS you!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Classless idiot says what? Hoping people will lose their jobs now too?

Grow up, there is something seriously wrong with you wishing misery on others.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Do you actually try and get involved or do you just write commentaries on the internet? You can’t change anything if you do nothing.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

The last campaign I actively worked was Dubya’s. I also worked Dole’s. And I worked HW’s. And I worked HW’s first. I was out of the country on Reagan’s second.

When we gave the GOP the Executive, the House, and the Senate, and we got more government and more spending, I threw in the towel. I’ve held my nose while voting for the last time.

Here’s my idea. Your “electable moderate plan” isn’t working. Let’s just try my “unelectable conservative plan” JUST ONCE to see if Reagan’s support wasn’t just a fluke. Can someone call Karl Rove and see if he’ll sit out the next primary to give a different plan a chance?

I’m never voting for “not the other guy” again.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

What disgusts me more about Romney’s campaign is that he showed more fervor denigrating and minimizing fellow Conservatives in the Primaries that he showed going after the President of the opposing party.

DIS.GUST.ING.

rgrovr on November 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

A progressive sees nothing to attack on another progressive.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

How is the Republican party being disrespectful to blacks? Can you give some examples?

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

They freed them from slavery and then gave them same voting rights as everyone else. While Democrats killed, hanged and torched them during KKK rallies.What Republicans did is called “disrespect”, after all, who wants to be free and not hanged by a noose?

Too bad so many blacks know nothing about history and still insist that MLK was a D. Clueless is as clueless does. Only when they were receiving free stuff from the government in the 1970s did blacks, all of a sudden, found they are “democrats”.

History. Right in front of their faces. Unable to face it.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

When the stock market crashes and unemployment shoots back up to 9%, I wonder if people will start begging for a do-over?

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Why did Bachmann struggle to get reelected? Why couldn’t West hold his seat? Why didn’t Mia pull it off? Too moderate?

Bachmann was exposed when she ran for President. She only ran to keep Palin on the sidelines and that hurt her.
Mia Love lost to a Democrat in Utah, a state where Republicans win in their sleep. I believe her race has a lot to do with why many Republicans in her district that turned out to for Romney did not vote for her.

jules on November 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

So…what of Bachmann? Mia Love? Allen West?

Allen West is involved in a recount situation. He just might still win.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/source-allen-west-now-leads-initial-vote-count-in-one-fla-county/

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I agree about putting forth a conservative candidate. Not voting? Agree to disagree and I’ll leave it at that.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 8:50 PM

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