Projection: Nearly eight million white voters who were expected to vote, didn’t; Update: Or did they?

posted at 6:59 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

Essential reading from Sean Trende about the new demographic reality at the polls. Based on his back-of-the-envelope math, there are actually two reasons why there were more minority voters as a share of the electorate this time. One, the reason everyone knows: There were more minority voters, period. Two, the reason no one guessed: If current projections hold, there were many, many fewer white voters at the polls this year than in 2008.

Had the same number of white voters cast ballots in 2012 as did in 2008, the 2012 electorate would have been about 74 percent white, 12 percent black, and 9 percent Latino (the same result occurs if you build in expectations for population growth among all these groups). In other words, the reason this electorate looked so different from the 2008 electorate is almost entirely attributable to white voters staying home. The other groups increased their vote, but by less than we would have expected simply from population growth.

Who were they? He looked at his home state of Ohio to try to guess:

Where things drop off are in the rural portions of Ohio, especially in the southeast. These represent areas still hard-hit by the recession. Unemployment is high there, and the area has seen almost no growth in recent years.

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney’s wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

Yeah, I always thought the goal of Team O’s multifaceted class demagoguery of Romney wasn’t so much to win white working-class votes for Obama, which may have been unwinnable, as to keep potential Romney voters home. (Ross Douthat wrote about that in August too.) If Trende’s math is right, looks like it worked like gangbusters. Another bonbon from the national exit poll:

When voters were asked the same question about Obama, 10% said he’d favor the rich versus 44% who said the middle class. That was one of Romney’s meta-problems in trying to sell himself as the “recovery” candidate, of course. He was easily cast as a stereotypical rich country club Republican, and inexplicably he never did obvious things that he could have done to fight that image. He didn’t run positive ads early, while Obama was busy tearing him down every day with attack ads. He refused to run biographical ads until the very end showing off what a warm, kindhearted guy he is. He never went after Obama systematically on the basic point that preserving the liberal dream of a ballooning welfare state will require taxes on the middle class, not just “the one percent.” And he never pushed an agenda that was aimed overtly at breaks for the middle class. His task this year was to usher in a “new” Republican Party, partly in the spirit of the 2010 tea party takeover and partly in the spirit of flushing out all the stuff under Bush that soured the country on the GOP. But apart from choosing Paul Ryan, who didn’t get nearly as much time as I thought he would to push fiscal reform, there wasn’t a lot that felt new. Essentially, voters could keep O or give the guy who sounded like the guy whom O replaced a shot. Not surprising that a lot of people shrugged and stayed home.

This didn’t help Romney either:

The economic numbers are ugly but the trends were all the right way for O, and his final job approval ended up being several points higher than Bush’s was when he won reelection in 2004. How can that be? Well, here’s something I wrote in June of last year that I’ve been thinking about since Tuesday. There was an AP poll at the time that asked voters whether it was realistic to expect significant improvement in the economy in Obama’s first two years in office or whether it would take longer than that. To my surprise, the data showed that not only did the public not expect quick improvement, the number who said they didn’t remained basically constant month after month after month. Even though we were getting further and further into O’s term, the public wasn’t getting impatient. Here was my attempt to explain why at the time:

I think it could go two ways if he doesn’t turn things around by next year. One: The public will continue to cut him lots of slack well into 2012, but as the election approaches and they realize that this will be their last chance until 2016 to change course, they’ll bail and we’ll see a rapid snowball effect among those blaming him for not fixing the economy. Or two: The public will decide that the current recession is so uniquely horrible, unlike anything since the Great Depression, that it’s unfair to expect any president to make major strides in just one term, which will have the ironic effect of partly neutralizing the economy as an electoral issue. That’s completely counterintuitive given its singular importance right now (fully 93 percent in this poll say the economy is extremely or very important to them, an all-time high), but paradoxically the worse things get, the easier it is for Obama to frame slow growth and chronically high unemployment as some sort of mega-quake or force majeure for which no one could reasonably be expected to have been prepared.

Boldface added. How’s that prediction looking today? Here’s Joel Benenson, the Obama campaign’s pollster, explaining the keys to victory in the Times this morning:

Such conventional [economic] indicators failed to capture the mind-set of the American people who always had a broader view of the nation’s economic situation and what had happened to their lives. A national survey of 800 voters conducted by our firm — not for the Obama campaign — during the final weekend before Tuesday’s vote, confirmed that a clear majority of Americans viewed this election in the context of the scale of the economic crisis we faced and the deep recession that ensued.

Two key data points illustrate why Americans were always far more open to President Obama’s message and accomplishments than commentators assumed. By a three to one margin (74 percent to 23 percent), voters said that what the country faced since 2008 was an “extraordinary crisis more severe than we’ve seen in decades” as opposed to “a typical recession that the country has every several years.” At the same time, a clear majority, 57 percent, believed that the problems we faced after the crisis were “too severe for anyone to fix in a single term,” while only 4 in 10 voters believed another president would have been able to do more than Mr. Obama to get the economy moving in the past four years.

Bill Clinton famously pushed that message at the convention too, that this economic hurricane was actually Katrina/Sandy and therefore no one could reasonably be expected to have cleaned up all the debris yet. The voters bought it, and Romney’s only real countermove — hammering O on how housing policies championed by Democrats contributed to the fiscal crisis in 2008 — never really happened.

Anyway, this is all a way to try to explain why middle-class whites might have stayed home. As further validation of Trende’s theory, a quick comparison between the 2012 and 2008 exit polls shows that, among the six income classes used to measure voters, turnout as a percentage of the total electorate increased in five of them. The only one that dropped, by a whopping five percent (36% four years ago to 31% now): Voters who earn between $50,000 and $99,999 per year, i.e. the middle class. Obama and McCain basically split that vote, but Romney had a six-point advantage this time among those who showed up. Not enough did.

Needless to say, though, none of this should be taken as reassurance that the GOP’s majority is still out there and that they only need to concentrate on turning out working-class whites next time. If you assume that the exit poll’s 59/39 R/O split among whites who voted would have also held for whites who didn’t, then Romney lost a net 1.3 million votes from those who stayed home based on Trende’s projections. That’s an awful lot, but based on the current popular vote totals, it’s still not enough to erase Obama’s popular vote advantage. In fact, the GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election just once since 1988, and arguably that one — Bush’s victory in 2004 — was sui generis, a product of unusual dynamics after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. You know how Democrats regularly outnumber Republicans in polls of adults and registered voters? Well, the lesson of this election is that Obama’s organization was good enough at turning people out to make election day results look like a poll of registered voters. That’s a scary prospect for the GOP, and turning out more rural whites in Ohio won’t be enough to solve it.

Update: Pollster Bill McInturff fires back hard at Trende’s theory by insisting that, while turnout may be down a little this year, the “missing” voters can be explained very simply: They just haven’t been counted yet. In 2008, fully 9.5 million votes weren’t counted until after election day. This year, it could be as high as 9.9 million based on projection. In fact, he says, turnout in swing states was up. It’s the Sandy states, not surprisingly, where the vote went down:

Two things, though. One: Trende’s piece attempted to account for ballots that hadn’t been counted yet. He estimated that seven million were still outstanding. Even if he lowballed the number, there are still a lot of “missing” voters. Two: The exit poll data about reduced turnout among middle-class voters is what it is, no matter how many ballots are still out. I’m not sure why Sandy would have affected the middle class disproportionately, which means something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls.

Update: Trende e-mails with a third objection to McInturff. Turnout in Ohio, the swingiest state of all, evidently was not up this year:

Ohio vote is in, less provisional ballots. That’s why I used Ohio for my article. Absentees here were counted first this year.

200K provisional ballots were cast in 2008. If as many were cast this year, it would yield about 3.35M votes in OH (since about a fifth to a quarter are typically tossed).

In 2008, 3.62M were cast. So contra McInturff’s post, turnout was down in at least one swing state not on the Atlantic coast, and by about 8% at that. Of course, Ohio’s population has also grown since 2008, if only slightly.


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It seems to me that maybe… Just maybe… We could turn a few votes in the electoral college?

Skywise on November 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Mitt Romney ran such an awesome campaign…..that he couldn’t even get up to PALIN/McCain totals in 2008.

It’s just the facts.

What does that tell us?

The gop candidate couldn’t even get the republican base out in force with all the “enthusiasm” we kept hearing about.

What does that tell us?

What was missing from this years ticket that we came much closer in 2008?

mmmmm, what or who could it be?

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Typical White people.

Roymunson on November 8, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Here in Ohio, we only gave people 35 days to vote. Maybe the missing millions just ran out of time or messed up the envelope for the absentee ballott.

myrenovations on November 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Oh they did vote but, in some places they just got tossed in the trash bin or or burned in a airplane crash.

tjexcite on November 8, 2012 at 7:07 PM

All in all, Romney’s campaign blew and he was a terribad candidate who lost an election a ham sandwhich could’ve won. He couldnt win one of his 3 home states.

Rubio is going to Iowa, we need to get started on 2016 immediately.

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

The GOP should be scared, Dog Eater’s new economy is going to be so ragingly successful that Americans will be voting demorat for the next 200 years. You just wait, paradise is coming.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

After more 4 years of complete hell hopefully some more people wake up.

gsherin on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Thanks Bush, Thanks McCain, Thanks Romney, most importantly, thanks primary voters for having picked Romney.

Congratulations, the most electable. LOL, LOL

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

It means whites can feel disenfranchisement, too.

Blake on November 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM

OK, I’m just going to say this, knowing that it’s going to unleash the conspiracies. . .

But does anyone besides me think it’s friggin’ odd that up to this election everyone believed R voter enthusiasm was at an all-time high, and then mysteriously 8 million expected votes don’t materialize?

I mean, if nothing else, it’s weird.

I’d love to see a survey of how many people think they voted, and then compare that to previous years.

All right, enough paranoia for the day.

Chuckles3 on November 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM

What was missing from this years ticket that we came much closer in 2008?

mmmmm, what or who could it be?

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:05 PM

But, but but Paul Ryan!!!! he was uber alies awesomely drastically “conservative”.
Deficits for two full generations being his most recent “conservative” invention. TARP, No Child Left Behind, EVERY SINGLE DEBT LIMIT INCREASE, Medicare part D and the list of conservative goes on for miles!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

What’s wrong with you white people? Dude.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Bush damaged the GOP brand so badly that Obama is still coasting on that two elections later.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

8 mill scrooing 325 mill. Nice ROI

hillsoftx on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

May they find Obowmacare especially unpleasant…

Seven Percent Solution on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

This is inexcusable for a candidate who needed every white vote he could find to win, to have lost because that many white people did not vote. Simply inexcusable.

It also ties into the theme that is emerging in that his campaign was simply full of incompetent idiots. There is no other way to describe the awful team he had around him.

They left 8 million votes that should have voted for them at a 60-65% clip on the sidelines. 60% of 8 million is 4.8 to 3.2. That would have netted 1.6 million votes for Romney at a minimum. And since none of those people wanted to vote for Obama, it could have been possible to go 5 million to nothing from that group.

milcus on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

The voters bought it, and Romney’s only real countermove — hammering O on how housing policies championed by Democrats contributed to the fiscal crisis in 2008 — never really happened.

AP, how can we change that fact in the long term? Too many people remain misinformed on 2008, and that’s unfair to Bush, and self-defeating for people trying to find a way out.

bmmg39 on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Romney didn’t distinguish himself from Obama in any real way. It was all ‘Yeah for the Red Team’ and ‘Down with the Blue Team’. Romney spent several of the debates basically agreeing with Obama, so why bother replacing Obama with the guy who largely agrees with Obama?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

These people are just as bad as Obama voters. No sympathy for what is coming. None at all.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

In short, dem strategists are brilliant at dressing up a turd to look like filet mignon, and the rubes are gullible enough to eat it.

spinach.chin on November 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Why did we lose?

That’s really the question smart people are asking.

1. Hugs from Christie and the 90 minute photo op / Hurricane Sandy.

2. Teaters.

3. Single women that are looking for hookups, contraception and abortions done at the corner CVS/Walgreens paid for by us.

4. People that didn’t see in the gop ticket what they saw in 2008 apparently.

5. “I’m a Progressive”–Mitt Romney 2002.

6. Michelle and her tanned arms.

7. Barack came from humble beginnings and he’s our Affirmative Action hero in America. We have to give him another chance right?

8. The gop leadership that doesn’t know how to go for the throat of the opposition. They are just content to pole dance for the DC/NYC Media cabal and get a bill stuck in their thongs by the likes of Diane Sawyer and Brian Williams.

9. Union power.

and 10. The Mainstream media is now the gatekeeper and THEY must be taken over. We must vote with our pocketbooks for CONSERVATIVE media outlets and organizations. Take your money you would waste at the RNC and put it to groups that actually fight for CONSERVATIVE values (not posers).

Did I miss anything?

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

These people are just as bad as Obama voters. No sympathy for what is coming. None at all.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

They live out in the country. What is going to hammer them hard? They have fuel, food, guns, ammo… city dwellers hardest hit.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:14 PM

These people are just as bad as Obama voters. No sympathy for what is coming. None at all.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I feel exactly the same way and just can’t wait to hear O give a lecture tomorrow on the fiscal cliff and take no questions while he and Michelle get ready to leave for Burma!

CoffeeLover on November 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Oh the election results were frightful
But the fire will be delightful
And since we’ve no place else to turn
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

There’s no sign of destruction stopping
So I’ve bought some corn for popping
There’s just one way progressives learn
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

Now the country is slowly dying
Voters spoke, there’s no denying
Let the country get what it earned
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

The Rogue Tomato on November 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

There is one other thing I missed.

11. Barack Hussein Obama, who is telegenic, young, definitely has a vision and knows where he wants to take the country and HE BELIEVES IT WITH ALL HIS HEART.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

So that’s why we all thought we would win, as late as 10:00 pm on Election Night.

I hope they’re happy.

22044 on November 8, 2012 at 7:16 PM

There was a big sale at the Gap on Tuesday.

Rockshine on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Nice find, AP.

Palin-haters: don’t scoff at the idea that particularly in places like Ohio, the difference in McCain’s performance and Romney’s performance was Palin. Why? Palin’s a compelling personality who clearly exceedingly relates to the white working class.

Also, we need to overhaul every single major GOP party committee from top to bottom. Clearly they are operating on outdated “software” as compared to the Democrats. We need to find conservative nerds and data-hounds, and put them in charge of rebuilding. Not gopher-hacks like Priebus or genial clowns like Steele.

Robert_Paulson on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Umm.. Why doesn’t Rubio get some actual accomplishments first? At least Bush had accomplishments in Texas. It’s sad that the next nominee of the R party is going to get the nod because of his skin tone and ability to speak Spanish. Also, it is sad that posters who criticize Obama are falling for the Rubio act.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

the problem is the pundits keep pushing the idea that minority voters are the answers, and as this article points out, they are not. every show is talking about it and the dems are happy to push that talk as well because they know minorities won’t go republican!

so what will happen is that they’ll alienate the white vote in favor of minorities.

if minorities want to get out of poverty, they need to join us and they will be welcomed, we shouldn’t have to appease them in order to make their lives better!

i’ve watched a few of these shows already and they’re all saying that the republican party is too “extreme” and no pundit is disputing that! that just drives me crazy! so abiding by the constitution, smaller federal government, more local government. those are extreme ideas??

jetch on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I caught all these Romney ads driving through many of the swing states, and they were very demoralizing and repulsive talking about how Romney is great about working with Democrats. It almost sounded like Romney was asking people to vote for him and the Democrat congress candidates. I can see why lots of conservatives stayed home.

Buddahpundit on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

They live out in the country. What is going to hammer them hard? They have fuel, food, guns, ammo… city dwellers hardest hit.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:14 PM

ObamaCare for one.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Firstly, once ALL the votes are counted you will find that Romney’s total is very close to McCain’s total. It might even exceed it in the end.

Second, one reason ‘O’s numbers are down so significantly is that Palin was not on the ticket. They didn’t turn out in mass numbers to votes against the R ticket. They just stayed home.

(And now the Palin fans bring out the claws …)

I’m just a conservative dealing with facts people. The media hyped the hate for Palin as we all know. To the tune of millions of extra ‘O’ votes in 2008.

Carnac on November 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

The real answer is we have to have a candidate that energizes, not just the party, but the populace.
Consider, we’ve had Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney, you can argue good/ or bad, but you can’t argue any of them were exciting.
We also have to keep hammering on the voter fraud and in getting out the basic message to everyone, not just the base.
There are millions of potential voters that stay home, we have to get them off the couch, but to do that we have to show them why, and motivated to do so.

LincolntheHun on November 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Eight million people have now relinquished their Constitutional 1st Amendment right to ever criticize King Obama again.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Damn fools. Anyone I hear complaining about politics or the economy over the next 4 years who either voted for Obama or were eligible to vote but didn’t…. I may lose it on them.

Yakko77 on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I cannot believe everyone is missing the real answer why Romney lost.

It’s Bush’s fault.

Maybe now the GOP elite will let the GOP base pick the candidate. It appears that there are 8 million more out there like me. We just got tired of the lesser of two evils. Give us a Reagan conservative, not yet another Geo W. McDoleney.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Romney did not have the warchest that Obama had early on. The bulk of his donations were not going to start rolling in until after the convention which he could not spend until after he accepted the nomination, anyway. This is the biggest reason why he did nothing to defend himself early on. He was counting on the short-term attention span of the electorate.

Combine this with Obama’s power of incumbency, the bully pulpit and his perpetual campaigning along with a sycophantic cheer-leading propaganda arm in the MSM and all advantages are Obama’s.

Evangelicals stayed home too because they see Romney’s ‘cult’ as worse than their own.

Corporal Tunnel on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/gas-rationing-system-coming-to-new-york-city-long-island/

This is coming to us. Progressive dream come true.

And how about this for setting the stage for the gop to be “more bi-partisan”.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83605.html?hp=f2

In an interview with ABC News, Boehner seemed to suggest the election ended any efforts to wipe out the whole law. When “World News” anchor Diane Sawyer asked if there would be any more votes to repeal the law, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

2016? Are you serious?

With the same media? NOT going to happen.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I’m not worried about the Democratic majority. I bet we make gains in 2014 in Congress and we win the presidency in 2016. Look politics swing. It will swing back out way.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Newsweek Cover: “GOP: You’re Old, You’re White, You’re History”

Fallon on November 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I’ll take …”or did they” for 300 Alex.

Mimzey on November 8, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Re: astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I hope you’re still on HA in a year…I’ll be anxious to see who you are blaming for the total demise of this country…you are an airhead..nicest word I could think of

LaRepublican on November 8, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Yeah.. because the MSM is totally going to shill for Rubio like they did for Obama. Rubio and his airiness probably get destroyed by Hillary.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Note to progressives. We may be down now but…THIS

HoustonRight on November 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Romney got about 48 percent of the counted vote. Can we quit acting like the GOP needs radical change please!!?

CW on November 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

It’s simple. Voter suppression worked. They obviously bought into the either the Obama propaganda that Romney was an evil rich guy, or the main stream media’s meme of Obama’s inevitability that the MSM was pushing over a month before the first debate. Remember, they said it was over back in September.

Perhaps they haven’t felt enough pain yet.

Rockshine on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Not saying Newt would have run better, but Newt was dead-on correct about precisely how the Democrats would take down Mitt. Team Romney should have been on notice after the rough primary season.

You know how we always talk about how Obama is in a cocoon because the MSM never forces him to answer questions? Well during the primaries, Romney’s domination of the fundraising, Fox News Channel, and Drudge Report had a similar effect. Every time his opponents raised issue about Mitt’s rich-guy background, and how it could kinda be harmful in the general election, Mitt would demolish them with ads while FNC and Drudge blared headlines about Newt and Santorum going into the gutter with “class warfare.”

I don’t know why they were not prepared for the Bain attacks when they came from Obama. Maybe the experience in the primaries convinced them that they were just distractions that wouldn’t hurt Romney. But surely they must have known better… I dunno, but Team Romney’s lack of preparation for the Bain attacks is one of the biggest lingering question marks from the campaign.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

As a few of us have been telling you idiots for years, “Anybody but…” is a failed strategy of the stupid and desperate. Didn’t work in 2008, 2012, and will never work. People won’t turn out for a POS like Romney, no matter how hard neocons and RINO lovers try to spin it.

Unfortunately, it is obvious that you idiots are doubing down, ….now blaming Christie, rigged election, Sandy, Bain ads,…now priming yourselves to go all in on the false narrative that Romney just ran a bad campaign, bad luck, 47%, and that he just wasn’t far enought to the Left…..he just needed to pander a little more to blacks, illegals, women, gays, baby-killers, stoners, etc…

Oh well, 4 more years of being controlled by faux hack “conservative” bloggers and the RINO establishment for another “anybody but..” campaign,….double down dummies.

nottakingsides on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Romney lost a net 1.3 million votes from those who stayed home based on Trende’s projections.

Rush has it at 3 million:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/08/why_did_three_million_republicans_stay_home

Looking at the last four elections, W won twice by small margins, McCain lost because most of the base sat it out and Romney lost even more.

It’s time for a wake up call somewhere, somehow. There is nothing moderate about the dems any more. Can we agree on that? An affable genial, country club, ball less GOP isn’t gonna work.

Heck, I didn’t want to vote for Romney. Some people just saw no significant difference between them and whose fault is it that they couldn’t?

dogsoldier on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I personally think something is fishy. I have never bought into “voter fraud” claims that would significantly alter the elections outcome – till now.

There is no way you can tell me 8 million voters stayed home, not with the enthusiasm the crowds that Romney was getting and not with the very clear and well defined differences between Obama and Romney and surely not with Obama’s 4 year record of failures. Romney getting less than McCain – that is hogwash and smells of voter fraud to no end.

I honestly think something is fishy and I truly wish someone would do an investigation into massive voter fraud, I think our election has been rigged and stolen.

bzip on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Stayed home? Are you kidding me? Tell me it isn’t true.

They couldn’t see the difference between Obama’s agenda of massive regulations (EPA), suppressing energy independence(high gas prices), doling out freebies(Obama phones), appeasing the Muslim Brotherhood(it’s the video), higher taxes and a big government to control you and your health care?

Thanks a lot you lazy dim-wits.

It’s telling what this country has come to when Jesse Jackson JR gets reelected while in rehab at the Mayo Clinic for so-called depression and at the same time is plea bargaining with the Feds over misuse of campaign funds. How in the world could you vote for such dishonor?

plutorocks on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

If they stayed home, they might as well as just gone to the polls and voted for Obama. Actually, I have at least a modicum of respect for anyone who votes. The people who stay at home and do nothing, in my opinion, are less than worthless.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 7:27 PM

These people are just as bad as Obama voters. No sympathy for what is coming. None at all.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Yep, they deserve what they get for staying home. Romney wasn’t perfect but he is a helluva lot better than the alternative.

buckichick1 on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Romney got about 48 percent of the counted vote. Can we quit acting like the GOP needs radical change please!!?

CW on November 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

We don’t need radical change. We need a candidate with a good sense of humor that people would want to have a beer with.

That is how you win a general election. Period.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Oy. We are becoming more and more like Europe. Yikes!

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Evangelicals stayed home too because they see Romney’s ‘cult’ as worse than their own.

Corporal Tunnel on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I think you may be wrong.

Record Evangelical Turnout Was Overshadowed by Youth and Minority Voters For Obama

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Cartman stole the votes..duh…;).

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Damn fools. Anyone I hear complaining about politics or the economy over the next 4 years who either voted for Obama or were eligible to vote but didn’t…. I may lose it on them.

Yakko77 on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I work with someone who doesn’t participate in the process because “they’re all all the same.” Granted, I’ve never heard her complain. But after what just happened, I better not hear her complain. She’ll get an earful if she does.

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Chuckles3 on November 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM

I’m feeling the same way. Ok, sometimes I put on my tin foil hat…but…I thought there were looooong lines for early voting, never seen before!!! I thought they had to keep polling places open longer, sooooo many people!! Now, all of a sudden, less people voted then in past election??? Wha??? Ok, I’ll take the hat off now.

BeachBum on November 8, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I received an email from a conservative friend stating that while there was no wait his lily-white Republican precinct, there were long lines in Miami.

The problem is the people running the GOP (and I am not talking about a RINO problem). Republican strategists are all about making commercials; Democratic strategists are about getting people to vote and winning elections they should lose.

As long as the GOP listens to “strategists” like Kevin Madden and Mike Murphy (who have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for years), it is doomed.

The GOP needs to clean house and get some leadership that understands 21st century political marketing.

bw222 on November 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM

So goes the Nation — So goes us all

Gird Your Loins

Obama won Florida too. Romney just conceded as much.

Face it — our nation of vast multitudes of voting age immigrants from socialist cultures want the best of both worlds. So they voted for it to be so.

So-called “White America” is dead.

Long live “America”.

FlatFoot on November 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Yep. If evangelicals had stayed home in droves, his numbers wouldn’t have been so dominant in the bible belt, the only place he really did well (‘cept Florida).

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM

What was missing from this years ticket that we came much closer in 2008?
mmmmm, what or who could it be?

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Possibly a bunch of butthurt idiots sitting out a crucial election to stew in their ideological pride?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Who gives a sh!t?

After four years of incompetence, corruption, and mendacity,at home and abroad, the American people re-elected the man responsible for it all. This they did apparently in response to policy gifts and monetary handouts from taxpayer funds to particular interest groups and a relentlessly dishonest and nasty smear campaign. In short, the classic Chicago electoral blueprint.

Political theorists have warned of a tipping point in democratic governments coming when the public decides it can vote itself bread and circuses from the public treasury and the inevitable slide into oblivion that follows. Have we reached the tipping point?

Hell, we passed it 20 years ago. We’re just finally figuring it our. But three decades of a leftist teaching establishment and the relentless partisan and leftist media have raised up the majority they so coveted.

We are now officially a notion where the majority of citizens are either idiots or parasites, or both.

novaculus on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Ann Coulter had an article out today about how “the candidate” was not the problem.

Ann Coulter is rapidly becoming Kathleen Parker 2.0

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I knew that the election would turn on turnout but we got only half the equation. Nine million–9,000,000,000–less people voted for Obamuh in 2012 so on that side of it, people did wake up.

On the other side of it, from what I’ve been reading and hearing, it seems that enough of the GOP base was disenfranchised by its own party which motivated them to stay home. All summer I read numerous comments here and at other sites of people who simply could not stomach voting for a moderate like Romney. A lot of true conservatives, Evangelicals, maybe even some Tea Partiers stayed home Tuesday due to being fed up with the elite RINO GOP establishment. A caller to Rush’s show today summed it up nicely. He said either way we’re going over the fiscal cliff but the Republicans would just go slower like 70mph while Obamuh at 100mph will get us there faster so then we’ll get it over with sooner.

And Rush has the other good explanation–the libturds voted for Santa Claus, free stuff, gubmint handouts. They don’t want to work but they also have no idea how close the gravy train is to oblivion as it’s speeding toward the canyon where the bridge is out. And should China move in and take over, they’ll all find themselves in Chinese work camps and no more voting for them–or any of us.

stukinIL4now on November 8, 2012 at 7:34 PM

We are now officially a notion nation where the majority of citizens are either idiots or parasites, or both.

novaculus on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Sheesh. Proofed it twice, too.

novaculus on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Romney was a good candidate, but his campaign got beet on the ground game.

Count to 10 on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

ObamaCare for one.

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 PM

They can get out of that by saying they are Amish.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Record Evangelical Turnout Was Overshadowed by Youth and Minority Voters For Obama

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

That article does not mention any turnout numbers and it doesn’t compare evangelical turnout from previous years. It just gives the percentage of evangelicals that did turn out that did or did not vote for Romney.

The only stat listed in the article is that 7 out of 10 evangelicals that voted did so for Romney.

Corporal Tunnel on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

“Obamacare is the law of the land.”

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Having trouble coming to grips with reality? Obamacare is now the law of the land.

After Robert’s decision, we were never going to overturn Obamacare without holding the House, taking the Presidency and taking the Senate (and even then we would have probably have had to drive over Harry Reid’s dead filibustering body, which would have been cool).

Whatever hope there was of overturning Obamacare vanished with Akin’s rape/abortion nonsense and the GOP’s unwillingness or inability to force such a catastrophic liability out of the race or run a replacement. Thanks, Huckabee!

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Gosh.. so Rubio, our Latino savior, couldn’t even deliver FL. Get ready for a long time in the wilderness.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Face it — our nation of vast multitudes of voting age immigrants from socialist cultures want the best of both worlds. So they voted for it to be so.

So-called “White America” is dead.

Long live “America”.

FlatFoot on November 8, 2012 at 7:31 PM

You can blame it on immigrants but there are plenty of young WHITE people who seem love socialism. Sandra Fluke and Lena Dunham aren’t immigrants.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Romney was a good candidate, but his campaign got beet on the ground game.

Count to 10 on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Exactly. We will not win presidential elections if we cannot beat their superior organization. These are ‘community organizers’ people. What do you think that sh!t means?

Corporal Tunnel on November 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

The greatest miscalculation of this campaign turns out to be that the Romney team thought they had the base locked up and fired up and spent the convention and the campaign playing nice to try and win the independents because they don’t like meanies.

(See third debate and the complete free pass given on Libya, “more flexible” with Russia, not supporting Iranian uprising only to support Egypt/Libyan uprisings. The only way Obama was going to have to answer to that was from a direct question from Romney. He passed because the indies just don’t like conflict and the base yawned and rolled their eyes.)

jjjdad on November 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Yakko77 on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

The first thing I ask when someone wants to talk about politics is if they voted. I absolutely refuse to talk about politics with someone who cannot even take the time and vote.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Ann Coulter had an article out today about how “the candidate” was not the problem.

Ann Coulter is rapidly becoming Kathleen Parker 2.0

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Remember that time Ann Coulter predicted that if we didn’t nominate Chris Christie, that we would nominate Romney, and that the week before the election Christie would go out of his way to kneecap Romney, and we would lose?

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Possibly a bunch of butthurt idiots sitting out a crucial election to stew in their ideological pride?

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Yeah, but they sure got you screwed over. Enjoy your “Most Electable” primary victory. How does that butt feel now that he turned out UNELECTABLE?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 PM

something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls

It’s called cheating. You know – when they vote, but the vote doesn’t get counted.

The Rogue Tomato on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 PM

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

And you and your ilk are disturbingly divisive, a blot on conservatism if you think this ticket was really the problem.

Bee on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Palin-haters: don’t scoff at the idea that particularly in places like Ohio, the difference in McCain’s performance and Romney’s performance was Palin. Why? Palin’s a compelling personality who clearly exceedingly relates to the white working class.

In 08, Palin drew 80,000 to an event in FL.

Romney/Rubio never came close to that number.

gumbyandpokey on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Gosh.. so Rubio, our Latino savior, couldn’t even deliver FL. Get ready for a long time in the wilderness.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Ok we get it. You don’t like Hispanic people.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

They couldn’t see the difference between Obama’s agenda of massive regulations (EPA), suppressing energy independence(high gas prices),

Mr. Romney joined activists outside an aging, coal-fired plant in 2003 to show his commitment to the emissions caps. “I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant, that plant kills people,” he said.

He populated his Massachusetts administration with environmentalists, including one, Gina McCarthy, who now runs the clean air division of the Environmental Protection Agency under President Obama. He railed against the “Filthy Five,” high-polluting power plants in the state. He issued a “climate protection plan” and lauded it as “among the strongest in our nation.” Under his direction, Massachusetts helped create a regional cap-and-trade program — anathema to most Republicans — intended to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that scientists believe cause global warming.

doling out freebies(Obama phones),

GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s camp is defending a controversial program he created that handed out free wheels to Massachusetts welfare recipients

appeasing the Muslim Brotherhood(it’s the video),

There is one difference.

higher taxes and a big government to control you and your health care?

plutorocks on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Romneycare.

GIBSON: But Government Romney’s system has mandates in Massachusetts, although you backed away from mandates on a national basis.

ROMNEY: No, no, I like mandates. The mandates work.

THOMPSON: I beg your pardon? I didn’t know you were going to admit that. You like mandates.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Just because we thought it was “the most important election in our lifetime”, many get their news from the big three networks and have never heard of Hot Air…The Legacy Media Won!

d1carter on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Granted, I’ve never heard her complain. But after what just happened, I better not hear her complain. She’ll get an earful if she does.

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:29 PM

And you are 100% certain that under OBomney, things would not be going down the same path.

Can you tell me which stocks are going to make big changes this week? I need someone with an infallible crystal ball. Oh, and the Mega-Ball lottery numbers for next week, too, please.

Here’s your clue: We didn’t see anyone to vote FOR, so we sat home and said, “Why bother? Without a skin pigment check, you can’t tell the difference between them. Obamacare is staying. Taxes are going up. Government reach is going to be extended.” This was one election where we had a giant douche and a turd. Again. Just like every election since 1992.

We are just tired of turning out for “not the other guy because he’s worse.”

Give us a real candidate, and maybe we’ll be there. The left passes crap for their base. When we gave the GOP everything, we got more spending and more government.

Tell me again how things are going to be worse under Obomney than they would have been under Rombama.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I personally think something is fishy. I have never bought into “voter fraud” claims that would significantly alter the elections outcome – till now.

There is no way you can tell me 8 million voters stayed home, not with the enthusiasm the crowds that Romney was getting and not with the very clear and well defined differences between Obama and Romney and surely not with Obama’s 4 year record of failures. Romney getting less than McCain – that is hogwash and smells of voter fraud to no end.

I honestly think something is fishy and I truly wish someone would do an investigation into massive voter fraud, I think our election has been rigged and stolen.

bzip on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I agree 100% but there will be no investigation that we will ever hear about. The ruling class through their media are already trying to convince everyone that Romney’s voters just decided not to show up.

bgibbs1000 on November 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

“Obamacare is the law of the land.”

What he was really saying is that for all the huff and puff the gop leadership really does like bigger government and more power.

Boehner and the D.C. types have their own healthcare and benefits and they are all immune to the peon class hurts.

I’m well aware of what is the “law”.

The point of that link was to point out AGAIN that Boehner is good for one thing……caving.

The gop is dead.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

So what did Romney do wrong? He stuck by his morals and didn’t cave to pressure from the liberal media to change what he stood for.What did Obama do right? He bought the union vote (not that it’s very hard) with the auto bailout. He bought the vote of minorities and the poor with the promise of free health care (even though we won’t feel its full effects until this year). The conclusion for me is that we won. I would rather die this very minute than trade my principals for monetary gain. Those people who traded their ethics for the promise of whatever “free suff” they perceive the government will provide for, those are the ones I truly feel sorry for.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I don’t believe the demographics changed that dramatically from 2010 and 2012…

d1carter on November 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Ann Coulter had an article out today about how “the candidate” was not the problem.

Ann Coulter is rapidly becoming Kathleen Parker 2.0

predator on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Ann is incorrect. Romney without the albatross of RomneyCare may have succeeded. Maybe. Romney was just too liberal. He once made a speech claiming he loved mandates.

Not perfect? He did nothing to distance himself from these things. Worse, how many times did he talk about reaching across the aisle, which is code for I’ll cave to the dems like I did before.

He shot himself in the foot repeatedly and with the hostile press was all to happy to advertise his screw ups.

dogsoldier on November 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

In 08, Palin drew 80,000 to an event in FL.

Romney/Rubio never came close to that number.

gumbyandpokey on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Link please, also check you email and respond.

bgibbs1000 on November 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM

In NC the last 2 weeks, Obama ran non-stop 47% attack ads against Romney on Country Radio.

This was his strategy, to keep white voters from voting.

jp on November 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM

That article does not mention any turnout numbers and it doesn’t compare evangelical turnout from previous years. It just gives the percentage of evangelicals that did turn out that did or did not vote for Romney.

The only stat listed in the article is that 7 out of 10 evangelicals that voted did so for Romney.

Corporal Tunnel on November 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Hey, at least I offered up something to refute your claim, no matter how faulty you may find it.

Where’s yours to back up your claim, especially that “cult” thing?

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Palin-haters: don’t scoff at the idea that particularly in places like Ohio, the difference in McCain’s performance and Romney’s performance was Palin. Why? Palin’s a compelling personality who clearly exceedingly relates to the white working class.

In 08, Palin drew 80,000 to an event in FL.

Romney/Rubio never came close to that number.

gumbyandpokey on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM


She’s the Barack Obama/parallel universe of the Conservative movement…..with the opposite media attention.

But…….that was 2008. That’s not coming back.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

i think this is a good summary…what is the R party vs. the D party?
corner/333010/election-and-right-yuval-levin

he doesn’t say it, but the D party is not sustainable…the greedy little factions will devour the country and themselves (think Steel, Autos, Airlines…etc…all hobbled by a strong union faction and a management that goes along to prevent major strikes).

But the Rs clearly need to get rid of the deadwood (as we used to say). Any simpleton (like me) could easily predict Allen and Tommy T

but we can not start to understand until we understand why Mitt Romney was our candidate. Why?

For all those saying his was a bad campaign…fine. So? Who did we have? No One. Newt, Daniels, Cain, the guy from MN…No One. (actually Huckaby make me puke, but might have done better)

One of bush’s legacies is that he left no natural successor. That’s bad. (as if to show how utterly defeated the Rs are Jeb is back)

Second, the party won big in the mid-terms. the Rs misinterpreted that. So akin, tommy t, george allen all thought…well, hell, i’m gonna be a senator…it is a cakewalk. yeah, i’m dumb as s***, and yeah i’m 70 years old…but now’s my time

but here’s the bad news…the R party has failed miserably…utter failures. the leadership has Zero credibility..

and someone needs to tell them that now…just get off the tv. Retire, please…time for the pasture…and abject humility.

r keller on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

2 million decided to vote for neither, and instead vote for Jesus.

http://votingforjesus.com/

True_King on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

one reason ‘O’s numbers are down so significantly is that Palin was not on the ticket. They didn’t turn out in mass numbers to votes against the R ticket. They just stayed home.

(And now the Palin fans bring out the claws …)

Carnac on November 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

That’s a very interesting theory. I suspect you are right.

Palin on the ticket boosts Republican turnout significantly. It boosts Democratic turnout even more.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

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