Haley Barbour: The hurricane saved Obama’s presidency

posted at 4:29 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

I’m going to call BS, partly out of conviction and partly because I just refuse to believe it. I can accept any other conclusion about the election, no matter how grim, but I can’t bear the mental load of thinking that the fate of entitlement reform might have turned on Obama putting on a natty bomber jacket with “President” embroidered on it and standing around in front of storm debris looking concerned. This is the only time you’ll ever see me stick up for low-information voters. They can’t be this dumb.

But what if they are?

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 70% made up their minds about how to vote more than a month ago, while another 18% decided within the last month.

But five percent (5%) decided within the last week and three percent (3%) within the last few days. Combined with the four percent (4%) who reached a final decision at the very last minute, this means 12% of voters decided whom to vote for in the last seven days of the race.

That’s more or less in line with the national exit poll, which found that nine percent made up their minds in “the last few days.” Doesn’t prove that the hurricane was a factor, but if you look at the RCP national polling average, you do see Romney’s lead start to evaporate on October 30 — one day after Sandy made landfall in New Jersey.

Barbour’s point is that Sandy “broke Romney’s momentum,” which might but doesn’t necessarily mean that late deciders were dazzled by Obama’s well-practiced Look of Concerned Determination. It could just mean that the storm distracted them long enough from their “Obama or Romney?” calculus that it turned into more of a “do I trust Obama as president?” referendum on O. He didn’t have any major screw-ups during the storm or afterward — well, actually, he did, but most of the media conveniently refuses to cover them — so maybe that was enough for fencesitters. If you’re lukewarm about both candidates and the incumbent seems like he’s doing okay in a big crisis, maybe you’re not so motivated to replace him. Or, as John Sexton argues in a nice post at Breitbart, maybe the storm-related photo ops helped to reinforce Obama’s advantage on the “who cares more about people like you?” question. In the exit poll, among people who said that was the most important value to them in a leader, Obama led Romney on that metric … by 63 points.

Then again, we’re not really asking here whether O benefited from his handling of the storm. We’re asking whether any benefit he received was decisive. I’m not convinced. Granted, this result is mind-boggling in the amount of stupidity it suggests:

But the depressing fact is that O was apparently leading comfortably before the storm too:

Obviously he does better among very late deciders, but a four-point lead throughout September and October — which included the Mile High Massacre at the first debate and the debacle in Benghazi — isn’t insignificant. Sandy might also have cost him votes by denying him bigger margins in blue states affected by the storm, which wouldn’t change the electoral math but would have knocked O’s popular vote total down by hundreds of thousands of votes potentially. My instinct tells me that anyone who voted for Obama because they were impressed by the perfunctory pageantry of presidential storm management during the last week was someone who was looking for reasons to vote for him anyway. If four years of economic catatonia and unsustainable deficit spending weren’t enough to dissuade them months ago, then the bomber jacket routine was just icing on the cake.

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At the end of the day, it was Republican primary voters fault as they bought this “electability line” hook line and sinker. Romney was the worst possible candidate to run in this environment.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Yes indeed! Cain/Palin or Newt/Akin would have done quite well. Angle/Odonnel 2016! PLease keep up with the witch hunts its working out well!

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

oh please tkyang, without Obama blacks vote a solid 92% for dems anyway. Why do you think that is? They may not get all the free stuff but they are promised them and that is plenty good for them and has been since 1965.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

this is true and the GOP hasn’t done anything to explain how the welfare state has destroyed the black family.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

No, but 50% of the military did NOT vote for Obama. It was 50% of the military in Virginia. Although that’s bad enough.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

That 50% number is bogus. It was from an “early” VA exit poll.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

omg it is not about a hurricane, seriously.

it is about the biased msm which has a huge influence on many americans…

…and the entitlement-loving government-dependent mentality that many americans have.

those are the two major reasons romney didn’t win. also maybe romney could have talked more about benghazi and other politically incorrect issues

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

the GOP hasn’t done anything to explain how the welfare state has destroyed the black family.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

that is a great point.

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Yes indeed! Cain/Palin or Newt/Akin would have done quite well. Angle/Odonnel 2016! PLease keep up with the witch hunts its working out well!

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

these candidates no, but conservative candidates yes.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM

omg it is not about a hurricane, seriously.

it is about the biased msm which has a huge influence on many americans…

…and the entitlement-loving government-dependent mentality that many americans have.

those are the two major reasons romney didn’t win. also maybe romney could have talked more about benghazi and other politically incorrect issues

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

this 100000000000x over

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Well now you have Obamacare, or rather, we all do. RR said they’d repeal it, but you don’t blame the mouthbreating levinites who made it possible. We will never have a perfect candidate, so we will never win.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I’m sorry, you’re just full of sh!t. You say you heard Levin encourage someone not to vote – I say you’re full of crap, as he’s been screaming at people to get over it, Romney is our guy, and “Obama must be stopped” – FOR F@#$ING MONTHS NOW.

And for the record, Romney said he’d “repeal and replace” Obamacare, not “repeal” it – full stop. That didn’t help, frankly.

Midas on November 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

the GOP hasn’t done anything to explain how the welfare state has destroyed the black family.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM
that is a great point.

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM

the GOP doesn’t lose the Northeast and other states with big cities because of “social conservatism” they lose in these places because the welfare state is king. Until the GOP gets serious about attacking the welfare state and the Democratic backers of it this will never change.

The Democrats keep people in “acceptable poverty” and blame “rich, white people” while they do it in order to get voters.

Its freaking embarrassing and sad.

Cities like Camden and Newark. None of these places have Republican mayors. Look at Detroit. These examples show the results of the welfare state and because the GOP establishment has no stones they will never persuade people that the Democrats are just slum lords.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Give me a break.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

It’s a new day once the primaries are over. If you don’t get that then go vote for Obama like the other idiots that did. After the primary all the astonerii’s and many other ABR’s were no better than Obama voters either. They didn’t get their way and wore that dirty diaper around here for months. Romney was the turd that floated to the top and we polished him as best we could after beating him up. Many think it made him better to have withstood that. And he shines a heck of lot better than Obama still.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

A moderate will stab a conservative in the back every step of the way.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Then, how do you explain the 3 million conservatives that sat on their hands and stuck us with Obama?

And, moderates are not conservative, they’re liberals…but Romney is not a moderate. He’s an establishment conservative, 1000 times better than Obama.

I agree that the Romney campaign spent too much time appealing to swing voters and not enough to the conservative base. But, there was no reason to believe that evangelicals and socons would not support him – it was all about the “independent voters.” Who apparently weren’t so “independent” if a romantic walk on the beach with the fat guv was enough to sway their vote.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I think it is totally possible. People are stupid. They see a picture of Obama with his jacket on hugging some woman and they go “Oh, he’s fine. I’ll vote for him.” Especially the young idiot voters. That was all they needed to see. They wanted a picture to latch onto and they got it.

By the same token… lots of Republicans could have also been sickened and thought “Oh great! They love him now it’s over.”

JellyToast on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

it is about the biased msm which has a huge influence on many americans…

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Right on.

If we took the money we spent on this election and bought ABC, NBC and CBS we could stop the lies and get the truth out. Where are all the rich republicans?

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

this is true and the GOP hasn’t done anything to explain how the welfare state has destroyed the black family.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

True as that is, I don’t think any amount of explaining it will change anything, sadly.

Midas on November 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Huh?

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Maybe not.

Report: Allen West Now Leads Initial Vote Count In Dem-Leaning County…

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yes! Allen West requested a recount after irregularities in one county involving the recount by officials of some early voter ballots. Supposedly that recount on the evening of the election took West from a lead of about 2K to a deficit of about 2K. West went into court and requested that all machines and ballots be impounded. One thing is for sure – LtCol West is a fighter!

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

oh please tkyang, without Obama blacks vote a solid 92% for dems anyway. Why do you think that is? They may not get all the free stuff but they are promised them and that is plenty good for them and has been since 1965.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM
this is true and the GOP hasn’t done anything to explain how the welfare state has destroyed the black family.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

the Democrats’ greatest “strength” is also their greatest weakness.

They force people into poverty and then ask for their votes so they can “better the situation.”

The GOP needs to get serious about calling this for what it is and they can start be rebuilding big city Republican parties.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

but Romney is not a moderate. He’s an establishment conservative.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

lolwut?

*facepalm*

Midas on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

True as that is, I don’t think any amount of explaining it will change anything, sadly.

Midas on November 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

well we know that it certainly has not been tried.

I think people are open to the idea of freedom and economic mobility. If not for them at least for their children.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

If a black family can’t get out of poverty in this country after generations of welfare you’d think it might occur to them as to why that is. If it does have to be explained they’ll take the free stuff every time.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I believe the conservatives who stayed home finally had enough of the GOP. But i know that conservatives by and large supported Romney whereas a moderate or liberal as you say would not support a conservative to the same extent.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I would add another point that I read somewhere over at NRO today: It wasn’t just O’s masterful exploitation of the hurricane that gave him a boost, it was that Christie’s effusive praise of Obama undermined Romney’s closing message that Obama was divisive and unable to work across party lines.

I am okay with Mitt’s loss, it sucks, but he put up a good fight. But I am still fuming mad at Christie for his self-serving treachery that boosted Obama during the last week of a hard-fought, razor-tight election.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I agree that the Romney campaign spent too much time appealing to swing voters and not enough to the conservative base. But, there was no reason to believe that evangelicals and socons would not support him

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

There was a higher percentage of evangelicals that supported Romney then McCain in 08′. There were not the problem and did their part in supporting Romney.

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

lolwut?

*facepalm*

Midas on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

And there you have it…

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

“they’re not there”

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

so as a conservative you attack Bain Capital?

Bain Capital is what you attack?

A company that injects capital into failing businesses hoping to turn them around.?

Thats what you do to stay in a primary race for an extra, what, few weeks?

Smart.

Romney may not have been a great candidate but, um, who ran in the primaries that would have been? Rick Santorum? Newt?

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I am not the PERSON who is ATTACKING Bain capital, I am telling you what he was perceived as. What don’t you get. Working class whites couldn’t relate to him, look at the exit poll, look at the fact 3 million plus voters stayed home.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Fire Rove and the establishment!

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

After the primary all the astonerii’s and many other ABR’s were no better than Obama voters either. They didn’t get their way and wore that dirty diaper around here for months.
DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

And the ABR’s have returned to rub everyone’s nose in their crap.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Maybe not.

Report: Allen West Now Leads Initial Vote Count In Dem-Leaning County…

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

That would be great!!!

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Obama shows up one day for his job, puts the experience in a zip lock bag, leaves as quickly as he can never to return and that swayed people?

how can someone be so clueless on the political landscape and the distinctions between these two canidates

the great handout society – reaches out again

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I’m going to call BS,

1000++

Haley Barbour is smoking some of that legal Colorado weed. Have all the Pubs. lost it? Time to get rid of the Pub. party. They can’t beat a communist, may as well pack it up. I will never vote for or support a Pub. again. The party has sucked for the past 20 yrs. They do not believe in conservative ideology. The dems. believe in a far left liberal/socialist/communist/atheist/ant-American ideology and fight to the death to advance it and have been damn successful in doing so. Look at the Dem. House Majority speakers, and Dem. Senate Majority Leaders. They take no prisoners and do whatever it takes to advance their ideology. Pubs. always cave. I’m fed up with these wussy cry babies.If it were not for talk radio carrying their water, they would have won absolutely nothing in the past 20 yrs. Screw ‘em.

they lie on November 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

i still blame the media…they covered up every scandal that would have ended this election early on…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I am okay with Mitt’s loss, it sucks, but he put up a good fight. But I am still fuming mad at Christie for his self-serving treachery that boosted Obama during the last week of a hard-fought, razor-tight election.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I live in NJ, and was a big fan of Christie until his treacherous stunt. It lit up Facebook and Twitter and affected the youth vote in a big way, I think. Probably a lot of wobbly women, too.

I hope his national career is over. I’ll probably still vote for him in NJ, because what choice do I have….

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

you notice that the lsm hasn’t even said the word sandy unless it is about what an awesome job dear leader did for 20 minutes with christie…

how are the folks on staten island msdnc?

yeah, i figured as much

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Tough predicament Romney was in…according the sages on these pages Romney was too liberal, too moderate and too conservative for the base so a bunch didn’t show up out of lack of enthusiasm.

We got the Portlandia crowd in here today. “I’ll have the roasted chicken, oh wait, was it grain fed locally?”

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Well now you have Obamacare, or rather, we all do. RR said they’d repeal it, but you don’t blame the mouthbreating levinites who made it possible. We will never have a perfect candidate, so we will never win.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

That is Bull-Shovick!

Levin supported Romney and encouraged everyone else to do so. He knew what was at stake and never said otherwise.

Can’t blame Levin…

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Yes indeed! Cain/Palin or Newt/Akin would have done quite well. Angle/Odonnel 2016! PLease keep up with the witch hunts its working out well!

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Way to nitpick what I said. You don’t seem to get what I said do you? I SAID that Romney lost because he didn’t appeal to blue collar working class whites. 3 million people stayed home. Romney was the perfect caricture for Obama’s class warfare soak the rich campaign. Blue collar whites who hated Obama were lukewarm at best for Romney because he didn’t relate to them. Because he came across as the caricture Obama painted the rich 1%.

Not exactly a good idea to run a guy who made his money on Wall street, in a cycle like this. As I said perception matters. And this has nothing to do with his conservatism.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM

hurricane?

I’m having a problem looking at the turnout numbers

I can understand Obama voters down 11 million, they are clearly rejecting his policies

but Romney 2 million below McCain?

skimming the numbers off a few key suburban counties in swing states across the country, and viola, you have an election

and the 30 and under crowd delivering a 5 million vote advantage, obvilously their parents need to take these 25 year old off their dole

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 PM

What boils down to more of our side stayed home then Obama’s.

guess were going to start offering weed for a vote…

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Romney lost because he couldn’t get the minority and middle class vote? NO. You should have been able to run a mannequin against Obama’s record and win. Other than the fact that apparently most Americans could care less about substance mixed with the culpability of the press, this loss is perplexing. I have never seen a president as divisive as this get re elected. I am still mystified that anyone would vote for him.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

You could stay home and let him suffer an embarrassing defeat that would ensure he isn’t on the ticket in 2016.

However, I doubt we have to worry about that too much. The NY donors who were heavy donors to Mitt’s primary and general election campaign are the same people Christie would need to get through the 2016 primaries. And given how close the race was, they are probably about as disgusted with Christie’s last minute lifeline to Obama as the rest of us.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

And the ABR’s have returned to rub everyone’s nose in their crap.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

yep…what a party! we’ll all be back in two years with the same enthusiasm to save our country as best we know how. Until then I’m keeping my head on a swivel, cutting spending to the bone and will be very careful where and hunkering down while the storm blows down the economy.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Good points..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I agree..It is a sad day in America..:(

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM

And the ABR’s have returned to rub everyone’s nose in their crap.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Yes some of them have..:(

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

you notice that the lsm hasn’t even said the word sandy unless it is about what an awesome job dear leader did for 20 minutes with christie…

how are the folks on staten island msdnc?

yeah, i figured as much

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

yeah, not really seeing what Obama did during the storm that was worth anything.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Yes indeed! Cain/Palin or Newt/Akin would have done quite well. Angle/Odonnel 2016! PLease keep up with the witch hunts its working out well!

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Oh! And what about Scott Brown?
What about Linda McMahon?
What about Rick Berg?
what about Tommy Thompson?

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I meant “you” as in certain Republican challengers and tv talking heads.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

why isn’t the RNC dragging out
prove it in a few key swing state counties and let the chips fly

All of this is BS.

Over the last 4 elections we have experienced a minimum of 7% growth in the electorate. Extrapolating that to 2012, there should have been 23 million more voters than there were.

Soak that in. 23 million.

No one, not even Nate Silver, predicted such an epic drought by Republican voters on election day. The empirical evidence was all there for a HUGE Republican showing:

1) High enthusiasm
2) Massive GOTV
3) 15% increase in EV over 2008.
4) Massive lines in Republican districts across the country.
5) 30k+ crowds to hear Romney speak.
6) Highest lead with independents in polls for decades.
7) 2010

and then… no one bothered to vote. If you look at normal electorate growth election over election and factor in Gallup’s R+3 electorate, roughly 13 million Romney votes are simply “missing”.

So many “never happened before’s” took place in this election I cannot list them all.

During the most important election of our lifetimes with high voter intensity and huge lines at the polls – 13 million Republicans simply did not vote?

Pardon me if I say BS.

Something very suspicious happened here.

mitchellvii on November 8, 2012 at 4:57 PM

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Oh! And what about Scott Brown?
What about Linda McMahon?
What about Rick Berg?
what about Tommy Thompson?

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Republicans only lose when they run tea partiers. Moderate Republicans always win or something.

That whole McMahon-Obama thing didn’t turn out well, huh?

Who votes for Obama and then says gee let me vote for Linda McMahon. LMAO

and the John Weavers and Steve Schmidts are the “smart ones.” Hey, whats their win-loss record?

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Yes some of them have..:(

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

As have some of those supporters of who shall not be named. ;)

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Hey DS…

bummed

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

hugged christie, that’s about it…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

I whole heartily agree. This cannot be swept under the rug and needs some digging into.

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:19 PM

how are the folks on staten island msdnc?

yeah, i figured as much

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Those lucky folks on Staten Island get to start gas rationing tomorrow.

Things you won’t here on MSNBC.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 PM

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 PM

cripe….

will they even hear that on the rest of the alphabet networks?

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:26 PM

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Obama won because the GOP base was lukewarm about Mitt from the get-go, and it turns out marginally-Republican and swing voters felt the same way. Remember how the primary voters considered literally every other candidate, and even gave Newt a few extra chances, before resigning to Mitt? The same flaws that gave him trouble outside of affluent suburbs in the primaries (inability to connect, rich guy who is out of touch, phoniness and pandering, no story to tell, no plan he wants to talk about, etc.) are the same flaws that led those working-class whites in Ohio to stay home on Election Day. They were lukewarm about Mitt, and that didn’t cut it.

Here’s a good rule of thumb to keep in mind for 2016: If the base of the party doesn’t like its candidate, the rest of the country will probably feel the same way.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:17 PM

..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Chris Christie became a pawn in the Chicago Way.

New Jersey got slammed with an unprecedented hurricane. Christie reached out to the federal gov’t for help, and the White House made him an offer he couldn’t refuse: Praise Obama to the skies, do the photo op with him, make him look “Presidential,” or New Jersey can literally twist in the wind.

That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it.

White House thuggery knows no bounds. These people are vile cretins.

Right Mover on November 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I would have to respectfully disagree. “Inability to connect, rich guy who is out of touch, phoniness and pandering, no story to tell, no plan he wants to talk about.” Those were all lies pushed by the media. I talked to friends, friends of friends, and so on, and everyone one of those could not stand Obama’s policies. I see no evidence of lukewarm voters. I could go anywhere and mention the name of Obama and just about start a riot between those who liked and opposed him. Frankly, I am shocked at the turnout.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 6:40 PM

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 PM</blockquote

1. The exit polls were mostly spot-on this year. If there were widespread voter fraud, we would see a much larger discrepancy.

2. Most of the relevant swing states are under the control of Republican governors and state legislatures. Its hard to think that the elections could be stolen on their watch without any alarm bells going off.

It seems insane to us that such a large chunk of our supporters didn't show up, but we're the ones who are bothering to post on a partisan blog. Frankly, a lot of low-information voters, especially the ones at the margins, think that 1.) it doesn't really matter who you vote for; and 2.) it doesn't really matter who is President.

I could write fifty-thousand words to answer the question "What is Mitt Romney going to do for America?", but I can see a lot of low-information, marginally-Republican voters thinking "What's he going to do for me?"

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

you notice that the lsm hasn’t even said the word sandy unless it is about what an awesome job dear leader did for 20 minutes with christie…

how are the folks on staten island msdnc?

yeah, i figured as much

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Little Bammie won, so still no coverage of Staten Island.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Little Bammie won, so still no coverage of Staten Island.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Staten Island is the whitest boro in New York City. For whatever that’s worth.

New Orleans got a lot more coverage than similarly ravaged communities like Biloxi during Katrina. For whatever that’s worth.

Right Mover on November 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I talked to friends, friends of friends, and so on, and everyone one of those could not stand Obama’s policies. I see no evidence of lukewarm voters. I could go anywhere and mention the name of Obama and just about start a riot between those who liked and opposed him.

Frankly, I am shocked at the turnout.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 6:40 PM

I’m surprised by the lower turnout, but not overly surprised. There was tepid enthusiasm for Mitt in the primaries, it looks like that carried over into the general election. And enthusiasm against Obama just isn’t the same as enthusiasm for Romney.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

West went into court and requested that all machines and ballots be impounded. One thing is for sure – LtCol West is a fighter!

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Nice.

the_nile on November 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I can and I do. Levin ranted against rinos and acted as if Santorum or some “rock-ribbed” conservative like Gingrich would work better. If we’d nominated either of those losers it would have been a bigger debacle. Maybe we should have. Then we could have blamed the dooshbugs who are acting like there was a better choice out there.

Who was it? Ronpaul? Santorum? Pawlenty? Cain? Perry? Just who would have satisfied the pwecious widdle “rock ribbed” dears of the highest priciples? Palin, maybe? As long as we ridicule our own to the point that we make them clowns in front of everyone else, THEN expect independants to vote for them while the ideologically pure sit home, we WILL lose. McLame, Mittens, Willard, Bailin’ Palin?
We are our own worst enemies as the perfect becomes the enemy of the good. So eat up your Obamacare and comfort yourself that you kept the rino out of office. SOmeday the “gimmes” will see how brillian you are and reject all that mattered before. They will think exactly the way you want, if you just give it time.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Not to mention lies told on this thread and other “conservadox” sites where to diverge from othodoxy is to deserve to lose to ideologically pure enemies.

Rock ribbed ideologically pure conservatives need an enema.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 6:57 PM

And the ABR’s have returned to rub everyone’s nose in their crap.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Astonerii voted for the turd.
I was right. Romney could not win.
He had EVERY SINGLE ADVANTAGE any Republican could have dreamed of for winning according to people like you.
He was moderate (read progressive) so acceptable to independents.
He was well financed, thus able to get his message out to the people.
He was such a nice dude, so people would admire him.
He was well organized and very disciplined, so ran a flawless campaign.
He had the best political advisers money could buy, so he could tailor his message perfectly.
I dunno what all else this perfect storm politician brought with him.

What I do know is that his progressive past apparently left the conservative white, Asian and Hispanic vote home. Seems your coalition of moderates just cannot win an election.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Little Bammie won, so still no coverage of Staten Island.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Staten Island is the whitest boro in New York City. For whatever that’s worth.

New Orleans got a lot more coverage than similarly ravaged communities like Biloxi during Katrina. For whatever that’s worth.

Right Mover on November 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I live in a suburb of New Orleans that was mostly spared

The scene in Biloxi/Gulfport/Pass Christian of the devastation caused by a catagory 5 storm surge (29 ft) was much more intense that the flooding of New Orleans. I saw homes with the third floor blown out from the surge.

New Orleans was mostly caused by governments inadequate levees and politicians kickbacks to never build them properly

Nobody knows about the Mississippi Gulf Coast even though Bush had groups down there pronto

There is an area in the outer part of New Orleans East – all vietnamese, totally flooded

Ray Nagan – Mr Chocolate City clueless NO Mayor wanted to create a new dump next to them for the half million destroyed refrigerators and piles of debris. thankfully concerned citizens were outraged, mostly by the articles in the Gambit Weekly and they put a stop to it.

The vietnamese were the first people back up and running and built everything without asking for a handout from the government. Self sufficientcy at its best.

you only heard about the inner city victims and Bush’s slow response. Well he had two democrats Mayor Nagan and Governor Blanco who told him they had it under control.

Nagan is currently under investigation for some of his criminal activities during the recovery

nothing reported on victims that helped themselves

statin island will be just like Tennessee with the floods (too red to care), LA/MS/AL with the oil spill (but show up in less effected FLA).

No need to go there, it doesn’t change my vote tally

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

you did not understand my post. at my age no change benefits me.

But i do worry about my kids and grandchildren.

gerrym51 on November 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

No it was Romney’s pathetic campaign

He didnt win CA, MI, MA, or NH. Lost ALL 3 4 of his home states

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 4:34 PM

FTFY

FlatFoot on November 8, 2012 at 4:46 PM

No wonder we lost..we have dumbasses like the guy above who faults Romney for not winning California, Massachusetts and Michigan. Haha give me a F’ing break. BTW he didn’t have 3 million less voters than McCain, the final numbers won’t be in for atleast a week or two. He’ll end up close to the same as McCain.

We lost because the GOP brand has a serious problem with people under the age of 30 and we haven’t done shit to aggressively change their minds by explaining our actual positions and tearing down the left’s bullshit positions.

Oh and just running a Hispanic guy isn’t going to do shit for us. Ted Cruz just easily won his Senate seat in TX, but he lost the Hispanic vote in many counties to some white guy…Pandering isn’t a winning position for us. Actively going on offense and ruthlessly winning the war of ideas in the public square is how you get people to wake up. People of any race or age are attracted to a party that confidently expresses why they’re solutions are immensely better, exudes confidence and doesn’t take ridiculous shit from the other side.

jaygatz33 on November 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

You could stay home and let him suffer an embarrassing defeat that would ensure he isn’t on the ticket in 2016.

Lawdawg86 on November 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Would love to, but he’s done a lot for NJ, and the idea of going back to having the state run by the NJEA is even less apealing than voting for Christe.

Chris Christie became a pawn in the Chicago Way.

Right Mover on November 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

You might be on to something there…..nevertheless, the “weeping” over Springsteen’s call automatically disqualifies him from ever being POTUS.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

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Has anyone even asked people who and why they voted for. The obvious white democrats at my workplace were pretty much in line with the “Romney the rich guy” class warfare crap. “Protecting the rich people from higher taxes”. And these are people that are employed.

The little people want the rich to pay more taxes, simple as that. Mitt should have offered a token tax increase- let congress bottle it up in congress later- and at least win the WH -by taking away the commies argument.

Thats the most popular reason for voter turn off with Mitt I have heard. And nothing about Mormons or contracetpion.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Oh and if you want to blame Mitt exclusively to make yourself feel better..please explain to me how he outperformed the Republican party in general and specifically a lot of the GOP senate candidates in key swing states?

The problem is the GOP have been wimps in general in the recent past and present in defending our basic ideology and the ridiculous claims of sexism and racism.

The solution is to hit back aggressively at every chance against these ridiculous characterizations and at the same time promote our platform in a way that emphasizes FREEDOM repeatedly. That’s what being a conservative is all about and we just suck at confidently marketing it. The majority of people actually agree with us on major issues when it’s presented in that fashion.

jaygatz33 on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 PM

You might be on to something there…..nevertheless, the “weeping” over Springsteen’s call automatically disqualifies him from ever being POTUS.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

As a resident of New Jersey, I think Christie has done a solid job displaying leadership (certainly in comparison to the feckless Nanny Mayor Bloomberg across the river) and decisiveness.

As a citizen of the U.S., I am furious with Christie for basically campaigning for Obama a week before the election.

I think Christie’s national aspirations are done, because he’ll never get through the GOP primaries to get the nomination now.

Right Mover on November 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

o/t but fun:

MSNBC really does hire the bottom of the barrel…

Causing Touré To Tourette All Over

M2RB: Rose Royce, England 2003

Resist We Much on November 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Look…Sean Hannity and Rush and Pat Buchanan and all the conservative evangelists are blaming it all on the “free stuff” mentality, but I just don’t buy it.

Free stuff doesn’t explain why 95% of blacks voted for Obama.
Doesn’t explain why 74% of Hispanics did. Or why an overwhelming number of college students, single women, asians, or even uppper-middle class city dwellers did. Not all these people want or need “free stuff”.

Blacks voted for Obama at the 95% clip because of identity politics. But they will always vote for the Dem to get “free stuff.”

There have been recent polls of Hispanics where they have shows a big preference for Govt to do more rather than less, so they do want the “free stuff.”

College girls/single women want their free birth control.

Asians also prefer larger Govt that does more rather than less.

The “free stuff” reason doesn’t explain all the Dem support, but it does explain a decent portion of it.

I don’t see how a Republican can win the Presidency again with those prevailing attitudes.

gumbyandpokey on November 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Ok, so I own a bar in Florida, and most of my clientele is 21-30 yr old men and women. I listen to them talk and I hear what they were saying about the election.

Romney was doomed early on due to his lack of response to the smears over the summer. He was viewed as an evil rich guy that shipped jobs overseas.

Secondly, AKIN and his abortion talk. You have no idea how many women openly said they were turned off to the mere idea of Republicans after that. And Mourdock merely affirmed their fears.

Third problem was the shunning of Ron Paul supporters at the convention. After that they were either not voting at all or voting for Obama out of spite. BIG HUGE opportunity wasted there.

Just relaying the info.

gatorgrad on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

i still blame the media…they covered up every scandal that would have ended this election early on…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Yep.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM

70% decided a month ago? That can’t be right…

Oh wait, the numbers are from Rasmussen. Mystery solved!

bileduct on November 8, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I don’t see how a Republican can win the Presidency again with those prevailing attitudes.

gumbyandpokey

Wait until the GOP’s next amnesty that will likely be passed within the next year, lol. Idiot’s all of them.

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Ok, so Chris Matthews and Bill Maher are thanking Sandy for winning the election. Which means they are basically admitting their god king Obama and liberalism was about to go down in flames and was only saved by a hurricane.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Haley me no Haley Barbours: the guy needs to take a hike and stay there.

Sherman1864 on November 9, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I could believe that the hurricane changed people’s minds.
They were scared & suddenly started to think that big govt is a good thing bcs it will save them from their doom.
Then we have the people whom when I ask why they supported Obama or why they supported Mitt, I hear everything the major news networks were saying about either of them.
Truly, the sad problem is the majority of the nation is still listening to the major media & is still letting them tell them what to think of politicians.
Then we have people who vote for dependency as in voting for Santa Clause & one realizes the real fight is to reverse decades of communist indoctrination from public schools & universities.
I’m sure it’s no coincidence with the more people getting higher educations compared to more people believing in the failed & evil ideals of communism.
It’s just been wrapped up in a better looking package.
Still the same poison.
FDR might not have been a communist himself, but he sure liked a lot of them.

Badger40 on November 9, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Sandy also:
1) Gave the media another excuse to backpage any coverage on the Benghazi issue.
2) Reinforced the Romney was another Bush meme — white patrician rich Republican — by “demonstrating” 0′s “competent” handling of another Katrina. Unfortunately the fool Christie didn’t help matters by the premature slobbering in O’s direction so he could get a Springsteen high five. On the other hand an attack on 0 would have been played up by the media as politicizing the disaster. But Christie went way overboard.

In retrospect I think it was a complete mistake for Romney not to go after 0 on Benghazi in the third debate. At the time I thought it was a good decision because the facts would eventually surface in time for the election and the flurry of blame taking/obfuscation of facts on the eve of the debate was meant to draw Romney into another media imagined gaffe that could dominate the news instead of the real story. Unfortunately by playing for a draw Romney wound up taking a baton to what should have been a gunfight.

nokarmahere on November 9, 2012 at 8:08 AM

The Hurricane.. Pleeeeaaase…

THE TIPPING POINT IS WHAT SAVED THAT WRENCHES SO CALLED PRESIDENCY.

and you all know this to be true..

end game

jomondo44 on November 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Romney lost the day after he failed to respond to the Obama campaign calling him a murderer of the guy who’s wife died of cancer. Romney’s milquetoast response opened the door for Reid’s tax evasion lies, Big Bird, binders, war on women crap.
Last week I would not have said voters are THAT stupid, but we’ve passed the tipping point. I’m holding onto my wallet for dear life.

smfic on November 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

misstatement. accused of murdering the wife of the guy who worked at GST. garbage all around.

smfic on November 9, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Haley me no Haley Barbours: the guy needs to take a hike and stay there.

Sherman1864 on November 9, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Barbour is just another establishment Republican who really needs to be off tv as a spokesperson for the GOP.

Joseph Russo III on November 10, 2012 at 1:35 AM

If your plan was to eke out a slim victory then I guess any random event could have swung the election, including a hurricane.

Romney had a number of problems, but immigration wasn’t one. His biggest error was not connecting with the conservative base that inspired the 2010 house take-back. Once again the GOP tried to win by ignoring a significant part of the conservative movement that could have helped it.

When will the GOP realize what they are up against? Paid-for union members, in-the-corner trial lawyers, favored environmentalists, tenured “educationalists”, in-the-tank journalists and finally that borderless plantation of ignorant racists that vote only for their tribal leaders.

No, not Hurricane Sandy.

virgo on November 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

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