Haley Barbour: The hurricane saved Obama’s presidency

posted at 4:29 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

I’m going to call BS, partly out of conviction and partly because I just refuse to believe it. I can accept any other conclusion about the election, no matter how grim, but I can’t bear the mental load of thinking that the fate of entitlement reform might have turned on Obama putting on a natty bomber jacket with “President” embroidered on it and standing around in front of storm debris looking concerned. This is the only time you’ll ever see me stick up for low-information voters. They can’t be this dumb.

But what if they are?

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 70% made up their minds about how to vote more than a month ago, while another 18% decided within the last month.

But five percent (5%) decided within the last week and three percent (3%) within the last few days. Combined with the four percent (4%) who reached a final decision at the very last minute, this means 12% of voters decided whom to vote for in the last seven days of the race.

That’s more or less in line with the national exit poll, which found that nine percent made up their minds in “the last few days.” Doesn’t prove that the hurricane was a factor, but if you look at the RCP national polling average, you do see Romney’s lead start to evaporate on October 30 — one day after Sandy made landfall in New Jersey.

Barbour’s point is that Sandy “broke Romney’s momentum,” which might but doesn’t necessarily mean that late deciders were dazzled by Obama’s well-practiced Look of Concerned Determination. It could just mean that the storm distracted them long enough from their “Obama or Romney?” calculus that it turned into more of a “do I trust Obama as president?” referendum on O. He didn’t have any major screw-ups during the storm or afterward — well, actually, he did, but most of the media conveniently refuses to cover them — so maybe that was enough for fencesitters. If you’re lukewarm about both candidates and the incumbent seems like he’s doing okay in a big crisis, maybe you’re not so motivated to replace him. Or, as John Sexton argues in a nice post at Breitbart, maybe the storm-related photo ops helped to reinforce Obama’s advantage on the “who cares more about people like you?” question. In the exit poll, among people who said that was the most important value to them in a leader, Obama led Romney on that metric … by 63 points.

Then again, we’re not really asking here whether O benefited from his handling of the storm. We’re asking whether any benefit he received was decisive. I’m not convinced. Granted, this result is mind-boggling in the amount of stupidity it suggests:

But the depressing fact is that O was apparently leading comfortably before the storm too:

Obviously he does better among very late deciders, but a four-point lead throughout September and October — which included the Mile High Massacre at the first debate and the debacle in Benghazi — isn’t insignificant. Sandy might also have cost him votes by denying him bigger margins in blue states affected by the storm, which wouldn’t change the electoral math but would have knocked O’s popular vote total down by hundreds of thousands of votes potentially. My instinct tells me that anyone who voted for Obama because they were impressed by the perfunctory pageantry of presidential storm management during the last week was someone who was looking for reasons to vote for him anyway. If four years of economic catatonia and unsustainable deficit spending weren’t enough to dissuade them months ago, then the bomber jacket routine was just icing on the cake.

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The loss was due to:
Low GOP turnout.
The Manipulating Stories Machine buffed up King Putt when he just ‘showed up’ after Sandy.
Romney not winning any close mid-major states. (FloriDUH was an icepick to the face.)
The Gimmedats have got this ‘community organizer’ thing down pat.
GOP Senate nominees from IN & MO just say stupid stuff and the LSM will run with it, front page, top of the fold, ad nauseum. Remember ‘Caca’?

Gimmedats have a simple purpose and folks are ‘buying it’ … for the time being.
Wonder what they’ll do when it starts to turn to shiite?

Missilengr on November 8, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Obama ginned up his base.

Romney ignored his.

Who won?

faraway on November 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Obama lost 9 million voters from 2008… Let us not forget this fact… The biggest shock is that no one expected Romney to lose 3 million McCain voters…

mnjg on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Another poster summed it up exactly how I see it:

Romney happened. He had no natural political base, not regional as he could never have carried his own state, and certainly not ideological as he actively suppressed the 3 principle ideological formations of the GOP coalition–tea partiers, social conservatives, and Ron Paulists–in a campaign that was in effect a campaign against the GOP base.

McCain-Palin with a shoe-string publicly financed botch of a campaign that McCain himself tried to suspend STILL outperformed Romney, only McCain ran in a Democratic wave election and Romney had a billion dollars and ran against the weakest incumbent since Carter.

casuist on November 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

The GOP really really really needs to understand that the media is their enemy and go Alinsky on them.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Something very suspicious happened here.

mitchellvii on November 8, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Lots of bigotry, military ballots not delivered in time, some cheating, etc. and it all adds up, from both ends of the machine.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Rubbish the guy on Limbaugh today, said nothing of the sort. He said RR was not adequately conservative and he could not compromise his delicate conservative “principles”. He used words like “statist” and sounded like a baritone-levin.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

by the way, if Bain was such a big issues in this campaign make sure to have a word with all of the “conservatives” who spent the primaries attacking Romney on it.

Nice job.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

rightside on November 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Seriously Juan Williams has got to be the biggest embarrassment I have ever seen. How many time have liberals targeted him?

One time when he was hosting the O’Reilly factor a liberal white “professor” called him a porch monkey.

Another time, some Black Reverend called him an uncle tom both time on live tv.

And NPR, fired his butt, and publicly shamed him.
Conservatives rushed to defend him, and stick up for him, and he repays conservatives by calling us racists.
Yet he still hasn’t been mugged by reality. And he even misses his time at NPR!!!

Seriously something is mentally wrong with Williams.

And You know what Juan F— You.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

3 million voters stayed home. I was warning about Romney long before he was nominated, said he could not win because he had ZERO core principals.

That Romney is a corny businessman of narrow learning and culture wouldn’t be so deadly if he had actually harbored conservative convictions. But he didn’t. He has been taught how to play a semi-conservative Republican on TV, but his deepest instincts always remained liberal. Hence, his dogged pride in Romneycare, legislation that Barack Obama himself would have fathered had he governed the Bay State.

How did the grandfather of Obamacare, become our party’s nominee?

Bottom line: Romney was the candidate Team Obama wanted to run most against, because he was the perfect Wall Street 1% caricature, for their class warfare hate the rich campaign”

Why 3 million voters stayed home, many were working class white disgusted with Obama but not ready to embrace Romney because he seemed like an out of touch elitist.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

That’s not what you were saying prior to election day.

The whole “he wasn’t conservative enough” thing just doesn’t wash. Richard Mourdock was conservative…what happened there? And, if people want to hold success against someone, then to hell with them. The Obama campaign would’ve applied any number of caricatures to the other options, too, so pick your poison.

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Rubbish the guy on Limbaugh today, said nothing of the sort. He said RR was not adequately conservative and he could not compromise his delicate conservative “principles”. He used words like “statist” and sounded like a baritone-levin.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Seriously I don’t blame him. How the F— did we end up with the grandfather of Obamacare as our nominee?

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

My instinct tells me that anyone who voted for Obama because they were impressed by the perfunctory pageantry of presidential storm management during the last week was someone who was looking for reasons to vote for him anyway.

THIS. People look for excuses for Obama so they can get those “history making” jingles, feel in tune with celebrities and the media, and get attaboys from their “cool” coworkers and friends. Last time around it was all the people saying they voted for Obama because of Palin. (I can’t even fathom how stupid you would have to be to vote for someone you agree with less due to the 1 percent chance they’ll die in office and put their VP in charge. Especially since the other one is Biden!).

Thankfully, Obama is term limited so we don’t have to speculate on what major disaster will befall the nation in the weeks before the election next time to ensure he’s voted in. Not to mention when he ran for Senate his opponent self-destructed and dropped out. The luck this guy has is incredible.

Butler on November 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

haley is an oldster, make way for a new generation:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/a-new-republican-generation-gets-ready-to-take-ove

nathor on November 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

The GOP really really really needs to understand that the media is their enemy and go Alinsky on them.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

That wouldn’t hurt. Sununu and Newt seem to be the only ones who get it.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Yepper, the “rock-ribbed” stay at homes screwed the pooch again. I detest them more than the obamunists.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM

the debate over what should be done in the Republican Party will never happen as long as the GOP establishment is still in power. They are.

Anybody associated with the Bush years or who voted for bailouts should not be in leadership.

Its time for these people to move on.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I think we’ll forever scratch our heads on that question, I don’t know if it was the mormon thing, I doubt it. But, 3 million less voters (I think they were mostly white and elderly? I could be wrong) was indeed shocking.

As a whole though, I think he won because of the santa claus thing.

I heard juan williams and pat buchannan arguing on hannity a bit ago, and juan saying, people are grateful that they have all this huge safety net with so many being out of jobs, etc.

Can anyone honestly say, that zero is actually trying to create jobs? Seriously? He would rather not try creating jobs, to get more and more people on the public teat. That’s his goal.

rightside on November 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Did Juan Williams explain how Obama lost 9 millions of his 2008 voters?

mnjg on November 8, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Romney’s campaign strategy was simple: how has Obama’s economy worked out for you?

I don’t think Romney understood the amount of people in this country who want free stuff.

The U.S. is a social democracy now. Deal.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Another poster summed it up exactly how I see it:

Romney happened. He had no natural political base, not regional as he could never have carried his own state, and certainly not ideological as he actively suppressed the 3 principle ideological formations of the GOP coalition–tea partiers, social conservatives, and Ron Paulists–in a campaign that was in effect a campaign against the GOP base.

McCain-Palin with a shoe-string publicly financed botch of a campaign that McCain himself tried to suspend STILL outperformed Romney, only McCain ran in a Democratic wave election and Romney had a billion dollars and ran against the weakest incumbent since Carter.

casuist on November 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I’d say give that man (or woman) a cigar.

WisRich on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Poor widdle paulbots and tea party “patriots”, your widdle piddly feelings made you sit at home and cry. So there, America, I will help the dems if you don’t give me a tonguebath! Screw the “patriots” who stayed home

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM

You took that wrong. If he had let SP and RP speak at the convention he would have had their organizations working for him to get out the vote. This is typical of the republican establishments arrogance to exclude many republicans. They do it in the primaries too.

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Seriously I don’t blame him. How the F— did we end up with the grandfather of Obamacare as our nominee?

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Well now you have Obamacare, or rather, we all do. RR said they’d repeal it, but you don’t blame the mouthbreating levinites who made it possible. We will never have a perfect candidate, so we will never win.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM

The blame lies with the candidate.

He wasn’t able to overcome an image of being a flip flopping rich white guy, that paid lower tax rates than a guy making $100k per year, that would get in office and help “his friends”, and more or less continue to kick the can down the road.

He never made an impression on people that he would be better than the status quo.

CTSherman on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Another poster summed it up exactly how I see it:

Romney happened. He had no natural political base, not regional as he could never have carried his own state, and certainly not ideological as he actively suppressed the 3 principle ideological formations of the GOP coalition–tea partiers, social conservatives, and Ron Paulists–in a campaign that was in effect a campaign against the GOP base.

McCain-Palin with a shoe-string publicly financed botch of a campaign that McCain himself tried to suspend STILL outperformed Romney, only McCain ran in a Democratic wave election and Romney had a billion dollars and ran against the weakest incumbent since Carter.

casuist on November 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Palin Factor , then GOP worked hard to destroy it.

the_nile on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Romney’s momentum had disappeared before the hurricane … But America did like the President’s leadership dealing with the hurricane … however if the “hurricane changed the election myth” makes you feel better … go ahead and smoke it …

U2denver on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Anyone who supported Palin or Paul, knew the stakes here. It was pure ego to stay home.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Haley Barbour: The hurricane saved Obama’s presidency

Seriously doubt that, Gov.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Can anyone honestly say, that zero is actually trying to create jobs? Seriously? He would rather not try creating jobs, to get more and more people on the public teat. That’s his goal.

rightside on November 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

until the GOP takes the fight to the Democrats on this topic the welfare state will only grow and the GOP will lose more elections.

the “shifting demographic” just means more people depending on government and therefore Obama.

The GOP will never out-pander the Dems so they may as well try something they have never tried before: call out the Dems on their BS and explain to the “shifting demographic” how government has destroyed their lives and their families.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

No, I’m still saying its the storm. Challengers do not LOSE late deciders unless there is a significant mitigating factor. The hurricane, in effect had the same effect as a sudden war. The inclination people have is to gather around the standing President during incidents such as these, and the photo-op with Chris Christie didn’t help matter any either.

Defend low information voters all you want. They are ALWAYS more swayed by optics than information, and the optics for the President for those few days were good. It would have been a different story had the media covered the aftermath, but even now they aren’t.

Freaking media is our biggest problem right now, I guarantee it!

WolvenOne on November 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

That’s not what you were saying prior to election day.

The whole “he wasn’t conservative enough” thing just doesn’t wash. Richard Mourdock was conservative…what happened there? And, if people want to hold success against someone, then to hell with them. The Obama campaign would’ve applied any number of caricatures to the other options, too, so pick your poison.

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

You are 100% right But if you look at my posts during the primary you will see this is exactly what I was saying back then. When the primary ended I became a loyal partisan water carrier. Embarrassed myself in the process, twisting myself in to pretzels trying to explain away how Romneycare was different from Obamacare. Some night couldn’t look myself in the mirror, because I had become a partisan hack.

Richard Murdock didn’t lose because of his conservatism… Come on. He lost because of that dumb comment he made about God’s will and rape, which was deliberately maligned by the corrupt MSM. If he doesn’t make that gaffe he would have won easily. He was ahead 5%-6% before that. Same with Akin, if he doesn’t make that comment, he would have won by 10%.

Bottom line they didn’t lose due to their conservatism, they lost because of fatal gaffes.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Seriously doubt that, Gov.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

If you look at the facts, you will see he was right. Bottom line Challengers don’t lose late deciders.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

CTSherman on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

So they stayed at home. Brilliant strategy. Romeny would have givn us energy independence, a better tax structure, more usiness opportunities. But jealous whiny brats didn’t like the fact that his dad worked his way up from nothing and gave his son a better future. We all lose, thanks

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

but I can’t bear the mental load of thinking that the fate of entitlement reform might have turned on Obama putting on a natty bomber jacket with “President” embroidered on it and standing around in front of storm debris looking concerned.

You’re kind of forgetting Chris Cristy’s knee pad here Allah. They did a lot more for Obama than a bomber jacket did.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Also a few lessons we can learn from this election:

“Let’s open all the oil spigots and drill drill drill” platform doesn’t win elections. Or it’s enough by itself.

Promising something like “start a trade war with China on day one”, which everyone knows will never happen anyway, isn’t a good thing to run on either.

And besides that there was nothing more but a “I can create more jobs than the other guy because I said so” promise.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

… The hurricane saved Obama’s presidency

Yeah, I gotta sh** in this bucket, but I got me a phone!

M240H on November 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

The hurricane saved his presidency you say, he didn’t do anything . . . are people really this stupid? Actually, I think I answered my own question.

rplat on November 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Romeny would have givn us energy independence, a better tax structure, more usiness opportunities.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

No he wouldn’t have.

Just because he said he’d cut government doesn’t mean he would have done it.

Every single GOP President has promised that and grown government. Fifty years of lies … can you blame people for no longer believing the lie?

Maybe you should examine the reasons you still believe the lie?

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Well now you have Obamacare, or rather, we all do. RR said they’d repeal it, but you don’t blame the mouthbreating levinites who made it possible. We will never have a perfect candidate, so we will never win.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Again I swallowed my pride and voted for Romney just like I did McShame. But some white working class voters who are not particularly strong partisans stayed home because Romney was the best caricature of a 1% Wall street type.

That is why they stayed home.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Look. I don’t know if they stayed home or voted. What I do know is you don’t exclude any of your party in the convention. That’s just dumb and he did just that.

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM

The hurricane saved his presidency you say, he didn’t do anything . . . are people really this stupid? Actually, I think I answered my own question.

rplat on November 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Obama did a great job in New Jersey – that’s not coming from my lips that’s coming from fatboi Chris Christy’s lips himself.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM

When did Barbour wash ashore?

rplat on November 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I hope they love Obamacare. Mitt was offering them something positive, they threw it away. I hope they suffer more than I will

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Romney ignored and excluded the Tea Party and Paulbots from his convention and campaign. That did not help.

derft on November 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

This is true. And Ron Paul never endorsed him. It wasn’t wise to just ignore Ron Paul and his energized supporters. They also snubbed Sarah Palin at the convention. Say what you will about Sarah, but the conservative base still loves her.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Hilarious how quickly the groupthink spreads in the dummy bubble.

So that’s the villager rage of the week-people want free stuff? Stick with that it will really rally people to your cause-like all your sad ass cracker families and their red state welfare lives.

I hope you sad asses keep rallying around the latest Limbaugh rage because it speeds you further and further from relevance. People don’t care about your ginned up paranoid delusions-in fact they are scared of them.

It’s amazing to think about Reagan and Dallas and Jello. We did end up winning it just took 30 years. Well at least you have your Christy Lane records to keep you warm.

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The only reason Obama won was because the majority of Americans couldn’t figure out that the national media is nothing more than an extension of the Democratic party. All they did was act as a propaganda machine for Obama. If a Republican president would have screwed up half as much as Obama, the press would have crucified him. Instead the press buried all of Obama’s mistakes and help insure him a second term. The sooner we start holding the national press accountable for their actions, the sooner this country just might start to thrive again. Muslims, the Taliban, the rich, these are not the most immediate threats to our way of life, the press is. They play God with people’s lives and are given a free pass. Until that ends, I really don’t see much hope in our future.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

They can’t be this dumb.

Yes. They are.

And for those who were wondering where BO has been during his four year tenure, he actually showed up – for a change.

Yes, AP. Plenty of people are truly that stupid.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

You are 100% right But if you look at my posts during the primary you will see this is exactly what I was saying back then. When the primary ended I became a loyal partisan water carrier. Embarrassed myself in the process, twisting myself in to pretzels trying to explain away how Romneycare was different from Obamacare. Some night couldn’t look myself in the mirror, because I had become a partisan hack.

Richard Murdock didn’t lose because of his conservatism… Come on. He lost because of that dumb comment he made about God’s will and rape, which was deliberately maligned by the corrupt MSM. If he doesn’t make that gaffe he would have won easily. He was ahead 5%-6% before that. Same with Akin, if he doesn’t make that comment, he would have won by 10%.

Bottom line they didn’t lose due to their conservatism, they lost because of fatal gaffes.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

What about Allen West? Mia Love? The latter was running in a very Republican district, in a very Republican state, and she lost, too. My point is that other factors come into play, and saying someone just wasn’t conservative enough just doesn’t hold water. To me, it’s a simplistic argument that ignores other key issues while seeking to absolve an ideology from a loss. As Rush says, conservatism doesn’t lose when it’s actually run. Well, yes, sometimes it does.

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

my point is that Obama will do whatever he wants to do whether or not he has a “mandate”

Republicans and conservatives running elections against his machine and trying to play nice with him in Washington are blind.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Oh I agree wholeheartedly.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

This is true. And Ron Paul never endorsed him. It wasn’t wise to just ignore Ron Paul and his energized supporters. They also snubbed Sarah Palin at the convention. Say what you will about Sarah, but the conservative base still loves her.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I was just about to write something to the effect of – where was Sarah? I bet the stay homes were tea party / conservatives who couldn’t get behind the grandfather of obamacare.

Romney should have embraced all the groups in the GOP.

Jocelyn on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I hope they love Obamacare. Mitt was offering them something positive, they threw it away. I hope they suffer more than I will

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM
Mitt was offering them something positive, they threw it away. I hope they suffer more than I will

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Exactly what did Willard offer them? Be specific please because – the only damn thing he said about Obamacare was …

repeal and REPLACE!

He never said what the replacement would be – and none of you bird brains even thought to ask him.

For me – I was convinced that “replace” meant some kind of RomneyCare. In any case – if congress repeals O’Care and REPLACES it – then what they replace it with is necessarily some sort of centrally controlled health care system.

In other words … “GOPCare”. I don’t care what you call socialized medicine – ObamaCare or GOPCare – I don’t like it.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Haley Barbour: The hurricane saved Obama’s presidency

No Republicans saved Obama. The rape comments by candidates did damage beyond their contests and the 47% concept, still being touted by commentators, did the rest. Social issues, once the lifeblood of GOP victories, are now poison to the GOP. The economic argument was half baked was exposed time and time again as being incomplete BS rather than a path to fiscal sanity.

lexhamfox on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

It was NOT Sandy.

There was a clear choice this election. The people have decided that entitlements and spending are a-ok with them and must be defended. They do not believe in any fiscal cliff. 16 Trillion is just a number, means nothing as long as they can afford cable and be able to watch Honey Boo Boo, Kardashians, and the Presidents pretty smile on the View, its all good you see…the rich will just have to get all patriotic and save the country.

The dirty little secret is that while Obama lies and paints the achievers as evil, selfish and the problem…he needs the very people he despises to help pay for the programs his base has come to expect are their “right.” You could tax the rich 100% and it would not be enough to cover the booming cost of all the government programs.

Now what? (No time to think about that, did you know Kim and Kanye are dating!!!)

jjjdad on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Romney should have embraced all the groups in the GOP.

Jocelyn on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

No – the road to the White House is through winning independent voters.

Oh … wait.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:25 PM

They can’t be this dumb.

Yes. They are.

And for those who were wondering where BO has been during his four year tenure, he actually showed up – for a change.

Yes, AP. Plenty of people are truly that stupid.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

One more thing…. those idiots do not live in the South. We see it as it is.

So, FU, swing states and welfare babes. Just FU.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 5:25 PM

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

So you have Obamacare instead. Well done!

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

No Republicans saved Obama. The rape comments by candidates did damage beyond their contests and the 47% concept, still being touted by commentators, did the rest. Social issues, once the lifeblood of GOP victories, are now poison to the GOP. The economic argument was half baked was exposed time and time again as being incomplete BS rather than a path to fiscal sanity.

lexhamfox on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Convieniently you left out RINO Chis Christy’s ass kissing of Obama.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

So you have Obamacare instead. Well done!

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

I’ll take ObamaCare … because watching the GOP betray conservatives AGAIN by embracing socialism would have been too much to take.

Now – they don’t get the chance to let anyone down now do they?

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Lots of bigotry, military ballots not delivered in time, some cheating, etc. and it all adds up, from both ends of the machine.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

What’s a little voter fraud amongst friends?

squint on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 5:25 PM

And you voted to save the nation. Thank you.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

tommyhawk on November 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

TROLLCOTT pls

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

And you voted to save the nation. Thank you.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Explain to me how voting for the same tired fools who sank this nation in 2007 can be considered “saving” the nation?

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You are as conservative as Obama.I’m sorry your “feelings” of “letdown” got in the way of common sense.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I believe the hurricane was worth about 4 points for Obama. He may have still won based on how many states he won by +4 though.

There is two great things about this reality. First, it woke some slow Republicans up to who Chris Christie is. Second, in a week or two, there will be about 4% of the public with some buyers remorse.

KMav on November 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

And you voted to save the nation. Thank you.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I did what I thought was right.

Do you have any problems with that?

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM

So, has anyone seen Rinse Pubics (sp) resume floated on Monster yet?

Mr. Arrogant on November 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Must be good to be O, a charmed life with no fear. Fawning media, Mother Nature coming to his rescue, the ability to persuade with a jacket and a smile.

The only thing he is afraid of is smart people. The dumb are just too easy.

salem on November 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Poke a hole in that political bubble you live in and you might find that a lot of people thought he was a bad candidate. Hate to tell you but it’s true.

Mitt isn’t the type of guy that’s was going to generate enthusiasm outside of the base and then when he and the GOP purposely reject a large portion of that base it leads to this outcome.

I voted for him so don’t blame me, but he/they own it.

CTSherman on November 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

What about Allen West? Mia Love? The latter was running in a very Republican district, in a very Republican state, and she lost, too. My point is that other factors come into play, and saying someone just wasn’t conservative enough just doesn’t hold water. To me, it’s a simplistic argument that ignores other key issues while seeking to absolve an ideology from a loss. As Rush says, conservatism doesn’t lose when it’s actually run. Well, yes, sometimes it does.

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Allen West lost in a democratic leaning district. As for Mia Love, (I hate to play the race card as it puts me on level with the left and full disclosure I am Cuban/Trinidadian.) But Matheson ran a race baiting campaign with flyers showing Love “soft on crime.” Sent out flyers darkening her face, put out an ad that strongly implied she “she was not one of us.” And the voters in the district that went 74%-22% for Romney re-elected him. Draw your own conclusions.

As for Romney I didn’t say his main handicap was not being conservative enough, I said his main handicap was not being able to relate to the blue collar working class whites because he was caricturized as an elite 1%. I think that played the biggest factor not being able to get enough working class whites to come out and vote.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Look…Sean Hannity and Rush and Pat Buchanan and all the conservative evangelists are blaming it all on the “free stuff” mentality, but I just don’t buy it.

Free stuff doesn’t explain why 95% of blacks voted for Obama.
Doesn’t explain why 74% of Hispanics did. Or why an overwhelming number of college students, single women, asians, or even uppper-middle class city dwellers did. Not all these people want or need “free stuff”.

The Republican party has A LOT more problems than just the “free stuff” issue. If we don’t address them we’ll never win another election.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

You are as conservative as Obama.I’m sorry your “feelings” of “letdown” got in the way of common sense.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Are you sober?

You keep pelting out these one liners but you never back up your points. Just make bold monochrome statements like “You voted to SAVE THE NATION!”

NewsFlash – “Save the Nation!” was not on the ballot – NO WHERE ON THE BALLOT. Both parties are guilty of putting us in this situation and if you don’t see that – you’re a fool.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Look…Sean Hannity and Rush and Pat Buchanan and all the conservative evangelists are blaming it all on the “free stuff” mentality, but I just don’t buy it.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Nor should you. Fifty percent of the military voted for Obama – were they looking for “free stuff”? No – no they weren’t.

I haven’t heard Rush or Hannity talk about that simple fact.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM

He never said what the replacement would be – and none of you bird brains even thought to ask him.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

And you wonder why you spend your Friday nights alone.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Chris Christie is doing the same thing Gingrich tried when he had his picture taken with Pelosi. Trying to appear as a moderate so when he runs for president people will think of him as someone who can reach out to the other side of the aisle. Ask Newt how that worked out.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

And you wonder why you spend your Friday nights alone.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

No I never wonder that at all. You are a very bad fortune teller.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I was just about to write something to the effect of – where was Sarah? I bet the stay homes were tea party / conservatives who couldn’t get behind the grandfather of obamacare.

Romney should have embraced all the groups in the GOP.

Jocelyn on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Sarah never gave Romney a full-throated endorsement. It was more of a Anybody But Romney kind of thing. As far as the Tea Party, we are the activist wing of the conservative movement. The Tea Party had a hell of lot to do with the 2010 victory – so ignoring them was a stupid move.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Chris Christie is doing the same thing Gingrich tried when he had his picture taken with Pelosi. Trying to appear as a moderate so when he runs for president people will think of him as someone who can reach out to the other side of the aisle. Ask Newt how that worked out.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I don’t think it’ll work out for him. He may be pregnant with Obama’s child now unfortunately.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

This is the only time you’ll ever see me stick up for low-information voters. They can’t be this dumb.

SIGH.

Tampons, binders, Big Bird, American Idol, celebrity endorsements, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…

Short answer: Yes.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

No Republicans saved Obama. The rape comments by candidates did damage beyond their contests and the 47% concept, still being touted by commentators, did the rest. Social issues, once the lifeblood of GOP victories, are now poison to the GOP. The economic argument was half baked was exposed time and time again as being incomplete BS rather than a path to fiscal sanity.

lexhamfox on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Always with this social cons bs. Romney was a moderate. No ONE and I mean no one believed Romney was some hardliner zealot. Even low info voters.

The reason Romney lost is he was the perfect caricature for Obama’s class warfare 1% campaign. Blue collar working class whites hated Obama but were lukewarm towards Romney because as you saw in the exit polls he was seen as out of touch with them. This was the worst possible cycle to trot out a rich guy who made his money on Wall street. Especially among these working class whites.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I posted over and over on HA, throughout the primary season, that Mitt was electoral poison.

I watched Romney work in Massachusetts, he is a squish and ran a squish campaign. His Massachusetts GOP consultants, the Shawmut Group, are RINOified to the core. They ran a Massachusetts GOP campaign, which means they crouch in the corner and attempt to camouflage themselves within the Left political culture. When they do attack (rarely) they fire blanks and then retreat back behind a tree. Mitt allowed BHO to tear him to shreds for months without a response, besides appearing with jet skis. Mitt crucified BHO in the first debate, then went into a crouch in the second and third. He attempted an attack on Benghazi and was burned with his press conference. He went into his crouch once again. His ground game was subpar. His “referendum on the economy” campaign a disaster.Moral: Do not nominate Northeast RINOs.

kingsmill on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I was just about to write something to the effect of – where was Sarah? I bet the stay homes were tea party / conservatives who couldn’t get behind the grandfather of obamacare.

Romney should have embraced all the groups in the GOP.

Jocelyn on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Where was Newt? He is a great voice for conservatism. Romney invited everybody he ran against to speak at the convention. Except Newt.

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Chris Christie is doing the same thing Gingrich tried when he had his picture taken with Pelosi. Trying to appear as a moderate so when he runs for president people will think of him as someone who can reach out to the other side of the aisle. Ask Newt how that worked out.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I have always voted republican since 1960. If CC becomes the nominee I will NOT vote for him.

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Ignore honda. He’s just a butthurt Palinista (as a Palinista he embarrasses me) and he has no intent on discussion, only to troll, gloat and whine.

I have asked him numerous times to explain his solution and he runs away every time.

TROLLCOTT if you want to trollcott anyone.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Nor should you. Fifty percent of the military voted for Obama – were they looking for “free stuff”? No – no they weren’t.

I haven’t heard Rush or Hannity talk about that simple fact.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Now I know you are MAKING SH-T up. The military voted 74%-18% for Romney.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Spot on.

CTSherman on November 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I don’t think it’ll work out for him. He may be pregnant with Obama’s child now unfortunately.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

If I had a son, he would look just look Chris Christie.

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I said his main handicap was not being able to relate to the blue collar working class whites because he was caricturized as an elite 1%. I think that played the biggest factor not being able to get enough working class whites to come out and vote.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

look, if people honestly believe this caricature then what is Romney supposed to do? You can’t fix stupid.

Also, it didn’t help Romney that “conservatives” spent the entire primary season (even after it was clear that they wouldn’t win) attacking Bain Capital.

Smart group of people there.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Ignore honda. He’s just a butthurt Palinista (as a Palinista he embarrasses me) and he has no intent on discussion, only to troll, gloat and whine.

I have asked him numerous times to explain his solution and he runs away every time.

TROLLCOTT if you want to trollcott anyone.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

HondaV65 is a Moby.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

bandutski on November 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Ann C thinks your a handsome devil.

derft on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

No Republicans saved Obama. The rape comments by candidates did damage beyond their contests. Social issues, once the lifeblood of GOP victories, are now poison to the GOP.

lexhamfox on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

You are right.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Where was Newt? He is a great voice for conservatism. Romney invited everybody he ran against to speak at the convention. Except Newt.

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

hmm, what a great voice of conservatism he is. Lobbying for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and then attacking Bain Capital — a private business.

Totally seems legit.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I don’t think it’ll work out for him. He may be pregnant with Obama’s child now unfortunately.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

By the looks of it, he seems to be having sextuplets!

KMav on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Nor should you. Fifty percent of the military voted for Obama – were they looking for “free stuff”? No – no they weren’t.

I haven’t heard Rush or Hannity talk about that simple fact.

Yeah, I mean I don’t mind blasting people for not understanding the economics of the fiscal cliff or Obamacare or whatnot, but all this raging about people as “moochers” and wanting “free stuff”, isn’t doing one iota of help for our cause. It’s not going to help add a single vote for our next candidate.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

look, if people honestly believe this caricature then what is Romney supposed to do? You can’t fix stupid.

Also, it didn’t help Romney that “conservatives” spent the entire primary season (even after it was clear that they wouldn’t win) attacking Bain Capital.

Smart group of people there.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

At the end of the day, it was Republican primary voters fault as they bought this “electability line” hook line and sinker. Romney was the worst possible candidate to run in this environment.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Allen West lost in a democratic leaning district.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Maybe not.

Report: Allen West Now Leads Initial Vote Count In Dem-Leaning County…

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Rush spent months during the primaries telling his listeners that “ROMNEY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.”

And then, after Mitt locked up the nomination, he and Levin were like “Well ok, we have to support him because anybody’s better than Obama.” Rush even seemed to become enthusiastic about Romney, the way he had been in 2008.

And then, today, he acts all stunned and shocked that his listeners didn’t vote because they believed that “ROMNEY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.” ? Give me a break.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

At the end of the day, it was Republican primary voters fault as they bought this “electability line” hook line and sinker. Romney was the worst possible candidate to run in this environment.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

so as a conservative you attack Bain Capital?

Bain Capital is what you attack?

A company that injects capital into failing businesses hoping to turn them around.?

Thats what you do to stay in a primary race for an extra, what, few weeks?

Smart.

Romney may not have been a great candidate but, um, who ran in the primaries that would have been? Rick Santorum? Newt?

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Ehh.. Republicans need to hire Newt Gingrich as the NRC chairman and let him bash them relentlessly on all the TV shows.. We need to fight dirty like they do. Enough of this fighting nice crap. Who the hell agreed to let all the debate moderators be hand-picked by Obama’s handlers?? Why didn’t Romney point out that Obama did not do ANYTHING after Sandy besides getting hugged by a fat guy and letting people live in a primitive, post-apocalyptic city with almost no help? When Obama decided to run the most negative ads ever, we should have reciprocated. Oh Romney caused cancer in a guy’s wife? Well Obama personally shot our ambassador. They have the media and rabid, lying press rats. The best we can do is put up a fight against the two of them.

We did not lose because of a storm. We lost because of mass ignorance.

Hannibal on November 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

50% of military voted for Obama? I call bs Honda. Link it. Few in or near theater voted at all because of “delays”.

Free stuff doesn’t explain why 95% of blacks voted for Obama.

oh please tkyang, without Obama blacks vote a solid 92% for dems anyway. Why do you think that is? They may not get all the free stuff but they are promised them and that is plenty good for them and has been since 1965.

DanMan on November 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Nor should you. Fifty percent of the military voted for Obama – were they looking for “free stuff”? No – no they weren’t.

I haven’t heard Rush or Hannity talk about that simple fact.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Baloney. That 50% number was from some exit poll in Virginia. I was in the military 20 years, and I guarantee you the military didn’t vote for Obama. I think McCain got 70% of their vote, and I would assume Romney did just as well.

One fact – tens of thousands of absentee ballots WERE NOT sent out in time to overseas military members. That didn’t happen in 2008, and it was CRIMINAL conduct by this government if you ask me.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Rush spent months during the primaries telling his listeners that “ROMNEY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.”

And then, after Mitt locked up the nomination, he and Levin were like “Well ok, we have to support him because anybody’s better than Obama.” Rush even seemed to become enthusiastic about Romney, the way he had been in 2008.

And then, today, he acts all stunned and shocked that his listeners didn’t vote because they believed that “ROMNEY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.” ? Give me a break.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

their is a strong difference between the conservatives in the party and the moderates:

Conservatives rally around the candidate for the most part and complain about him after the election is over, which is fair.

A moderate will stab a conservative in the back every step of the way.

joey24007 on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Nor should you. Fifty percent of the military voted for Obama – were they looking for “free stuff”? No – no they weren’t.

No, but 50% of the military did NOT vote for Obama. It was 50% of the military in Virginia. Although that’s bad enough.

Priscilla on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

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