First 2016 Iowa poll: Hillary 58, Biden 17, Cuomo 6

posted at 10:24 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

C’mon, I had to post it.

According to Nate Silver, Hillary now has a 86.6392 percent chance at the nomination. (Kidding, kidding.)

The PPP poll, which was shared exclusively with POLITICO, shows Clinton taking 58 percent of the Iowa vote in a hypothetical presidential run. Vice President Joe Biden trails far behind at 17 percent, followed by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at 6 percent and Massachusetts Sen.-elect Elizabeth Warren at 3 percent…

If Clinton doesn’t run, Biden would jump into the lead with a less-commanding 40 percent of the vote, with Cuomo rising to 14 percent and Warren up to 9 percent. In the event that neither Clinton nor Biden runs, Cuomo draws 30 percent to Warren’s 13 percent, with 46 percent of voters unsure who they’d support…

From the list of pols PPP tested, Biden and O’Malley are viewed as most likely to run for the White House in four years.

As I recall, she led Obama by something like 70-10 in the earliest days of the 2008 primary, when he was a total unknown. She wouldn’t have to worry about that next time with Biden; he’s a joke candidate, and there’s no way a pol as generic as O’Malley is going to give Hillary trouble. The only potential threat to her if she runs (which she’s said she won’t, but whatever) is Cuomo, and there’s already plenty of angst in his camp over what she might or might not do. I think he’d be doomed if he challenged her: She’s widely popular, she has all sorts of government experience, she’s a bona fide feminist icon, and there’ll be lots of sympathy for her for having lost so narrowly last time. (Plus lots of gratitude for her having been a good soldier and served as Secretary of State.) Obama would be duty bound to endorse her after what Bill Clinton did for him this year. Who’s going to pass on the chance to crown the first woman nominee in American history in order to nominate Andrew Cuomo — who, by the way, is cultivating the same sort of center-left cred that the Clintons are known for? Realistically, if she runs, she’s the nominee.

On the GOP side, hmmmm:

Rubio and Jeb Bush will obviously be frontrunners given their outreach to Latinos and the GOP’s newfound demographic angst. I doubt they’d both run, though, and if they did, I have a hard time imagining Republicans wanting to bet their new-and-improved party on a guy named “Bush.” The other serious contender is Ryan, although as a failed VP nominee he’ll be tainted somewhat by the loss (especially in Florida, which most people thought would go Republican this time). If the long-awaited fiscal crisis finally strikes, all bets are off and his profile will soar as a potential savior. But even if it doesn’t, I hope he runs just so that I can see where his Kemp-ian instincts take him. This sounded bold, and interesting:

As part of his role, Ryan had wanted to talk about poverty, traveling to inner cities and giving speeches that laid out the Republican vision for individual empowerment. But Romney advisers refused his request to do so, until mid-October, when he gave a speech on civil society in Cleveland.

As one adviser put it, “The issues that we really test well on and win on are not the war on poverty.”

Ryan did not complain publicly. But he later had reason to.

I’d like to hear more of that, and especially more of what he has in mind to help the middle class. Right now, the GOP’s looking for a magic bullet to win back some of the Latino vote, either by making a deal on immigration reform or having a Latino nominee. Both would help, but an economic agenda aimed squarely at the middle class would help more across the board, with Latinos too. Hope Ryan figures that out soon.


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actually, Tina Korbe looked hot eating Butter on a Stick

Slade73 on November 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

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She looks hot, period.

But that fried butter stick didn’t hurt any. . : )

listens2glenn on November 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

According to Nate Silver, Hillary now has a 86.6392 percent chance at the nomination. (Kidding, kidding.)

rofl..Good one Allah..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

What kind of states were the ones he won, during the primary?

Or got second place in?

listens2glenn on November 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM

IIRC he got a lot of the Democrat vote in states like Michigan and Colorado.

El_Terrible on November 8, 2012 at 11:10 PM

C’mon, I had to post it.

No.

No you didn’t have to.

And I just had recovered from my hangover…

Danny on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Isn’t she busy dodging sniper fire in Bosnia??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

the GOP’s looking for a magic bullet to win back some of the Latino vote, either by making a deal on immigration reform or having a Latino nominee

Where is the freakin proof that pandering on immigration leads to more GOP votes???

OrthodoxJew on November 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM

She is dishonest, morally and spiritually reprobate, genuinely stupid, mean, devoid of character and integrity, racist, greedy, gluttonous, and powerhungry..

A democrat.

tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

so because rubio is going to be at an event in iowa, FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE ELECTION, that’s a sign that he’s going to run?? *facepalm*

I have a hard time imagining Republicans wanting to bet their new-and-improved party on a guy named “Bush.”

the libs will have a field day. i don’t even understand why i keep seeing jeb’s name floated around as a possible choice anyway.

The other serious contender is Ryan, although as a failed VP nominee he’ll be tainted somewhat by the loss

um, no. the loss was not his fault. he’s not tainted, i think he has a bright future ahead.

speaking of “failed” vp nominees, i’m still hoping for sarah 2016…

Sachiko on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Isn’t she busy dodging sniper fire in Bosnia??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Hillary has been under a lot of pressure these last few years having been experiencing what some now days call, I believe it is PTSS, about her days facing heavy combat as a Marine in Bosnia. She has been having flashbacks of facing sniper fire and even sustained hand to hand combat. She is still grieving over the loss of one of her fellows, a man she calls Sindbad, whom she tried heroically to save, but could not. Then when I had her under hypnosis to try to regress her into any previous lives she may have lived I found even more battles that she had endured. Such as her being straight shooting Annie Oakley fighting off wild Indians and even wilder Klingons to save a still young America. And in her past life before that one she related to me how she was at the Alamo in some place called Texas with her second in command a General Ulysses E. Patton she said his name was, and the two of them had to single handedly fight off hordes of Giant Vikings to save North America. She must be a very strong woman to have been through all that and still be running for President while all the while trying to keep track of the whereabouts of her teenage husband.

Sigmund on November 8, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I’m just praying that the 2016 GOP primary isn’t the freak show we had in 2012.

Mark1971 on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Herman – Pizza King/Book promoter
Newt – Serial adulterer/Washington lifer/book promoter/Moonbase King
Michele – “immunizations make you retarded”
Little Ricky – King of the sweater-vest (War on Women Fashion)
Texas Ricky – Bush-lite

I hope they come back for the comedy.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Isn’t she busy dodging sniper fire in Bosnia??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Hillary has been under a lot of pressure these last few years having been experiencing what some now days call, I believe it is PTSS, about her days facing heavy combat as a Marine in Bosnia. She has been having flashbacks of facing sniper fire and even sustained hand to hand combat. She is still grieving over the loss of one of her fellows, a man she calls Sindbad, whom she tried heroically to save, but could not.

Then when I had her under hypnosis to try to regress her into any previous lives she may have lived I found even more battles that she had endured. Such as her being straight shooting Annie Oakley fighting off wild Indians and even wilder K–lingons to save a still young America. And in her past life before that one she related to me how she was at the Alamo in some place called Texas with her second in command a General Ulysses E. Patton she said his name was, and the two of them had to single handedly fight off hordes of Giant Vikings to save North America. She must be a very strong woman to have been through all that and still be running for President while all the while trying to keep track of the whereabouts of her teenage husband.

Sigmund on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I don’t think she’ll be able to beat Christie in the Dem primaries, so she better hope the GOP can bribe him enough to be their nominee.

Dongemaharu on November 8, 2012 at 11:19 PM

As to Hillary running in 2016, and I know I’m opening up a can of worms, but what man or woman would want to look at her every day on TV for four years … and AFTER 2016? Hard enough now, she looks so tired and bedraggled, yet still Nurse Ratchedy.

In another time, without all the youth-driven media and other drivel of today — one reason Obama won after all — looks wouldn’t matter as much, but “old” ain’t in anymore.

Plus, how could a woman who could never wear a blue dress ever be President?

TXUS on November 8, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Isn’t she busy dodging sniper fire in Bosnia??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Nope. She’s gone on the offensive! Hillbo?

RedCrow on November 8, 2012 at 11:21 PM

She must be a very strong woman to have been through all that and still be running for President while all the while trying to keep track of the whereabouts of her teenage husband.

Sigmund on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Yes, and she manages to do it while flying around the globe in a drunken stupor.

She is, indeed, remarkable.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM

TOO SOON

WisCon on November 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM

As part of his role, Ryan had wanted to talk about poverty, traveling to inner cities and giving speeches that laid out the Republican vision for individual empowerment.

Ryan had exactly the right idea. If the GOP were smart, it would concentrate on building an effective outreach to urban areas. The votes are concentrated there. The desire to be economically secure or prosperous is an aspiration of all; it is not determined by race, ethnicity, or sex.

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Ha ha ha….they are missing and obvious Dem for the next election if Hillary does not run. Michelle Obama….get used to it. 16 years of Obama!!

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM

She must be a very strong woman to have been through all that and still be running for President while all the while trying to keep track of the whereabouts of her teenage husband.

Sigmund on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Rofl!..Good one..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM

That is a very good idea..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

PPP – IOWA GOP 2016

Mike Huckabee 15%
Marco Rubio 12%
Paul Ryan 12%
Chris Christie 12%
Jeb Bush 11%
Rick Santorum 10%
Condoleezza Rice 9%
Rand Paul 5%
Sarah Palin 4%

Shoot me now.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Rubio wasnt on the ticket smart one. And Ryan is invisible on the campaign trail. Sorry, but you need to be flashy and charismatic these days. You not realizing this says a lot. And Ryan has actual accomplishments? He spits out ideas that were never passed. Yet he did vote for TARP, GM Bailout, Bush medicare…

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 10:44 PM

You mean like Ronald Reagan, the actor!? Or what about that Clinton guy and that Southern thing he does? I think he was referred to as “Elvis” and a “rock star” at one point being the young, charismatic, and centrist governor from a Southern state. Why, he even gave a speech at the last DNC convention.

Hmm, I don’t know about this charisma thing. I think we should just run another dull New England patrician or a dull New England patrician who immigrated South and whose last name is Bush.

/

I’m on board the Rubio wagon. His convention speech blew me away and he gets what it means to be middle class, to work your way up, to inspire people of what the American dream means. He does have to tone down the amnesty BS and understand that the GOP has to, has to, HAS TO get back those Reagan Democrats — Reagan Democrats that *could* go to Hillary should she run. We have to realize we’re not going to get all of the Latino vote and should not do so at the expense of the white working and middle class.

We need to build our coalition, expand our share of the middle class/working class vote, get as many Latinos as possible, a slice of the youth vote, and beat those damn dirty Democrats. I think Rubio can do it, but he has to win over the white working/middle classes that stayed home. Also, he has to match Hillary in smarts and foreign policy expertise since her resume is considerably longer after spending the last four years at State.

Punchenko on November 8, 2012 at 11:36 PM

If the GOP doesn’t realize that Ryan, Rubio and Bush are all absolute losses, then the party is done. Ryan would simply be a retread of this campaign. Rubio would be seen as a fake hispanic and would garner ZERO extra hispanic votes. Bush, seriously do I even need to go into why running Bush would be a disaster? Bush is one of the main reasons we lost so badly. 50% still blame him for the economy.

What the republican party needs is a candidate that shocks voters into reconsidering the party. The GOP is currently the old white party that is anti-science. You don’t change that by just wildly grabbing for minorities that still say the same things republicans have been saying for years. You change it by running someone who is actually different.

thphilli on November 8, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I’d suggest Petraeus but I’m guessing he’s too smart to run for it.

Dave_d on November 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Bush? Huckabee? Ugh, why won’t these frauds go away. Give us Martinez.

LaughterJones on November 8, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Clever. :)

How long are you going to be on this gloating tour?

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Honestly, not much of a gloating tour.

I assumed after all there would be at least a momentary triumph of reason. From all the threads here it’s evident that Silver was wrong and PPP is full of sh1t. Dick Morris, Dean Chambers and Jay Cost and Phil Klein and the rest were in the right, it was reality which took a wrong turn, unexpectedly. On Fox Nation it’s even worse.

Everybody hates poor Carl Rove though. Somehow it seems like he’s going to be the only one to lose his job.

lester on November 8, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I know plenty of Republicans who dislike Obama but like Hillary. She would keep the “Obama” coalition together and add in more blue-collar white votes. Her face is a mess I agree, but she might steamroll any Republican. The Dems owe the Clintons and she might run un-opposed.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Michelle Obama will come along and knock Hillary out of the running for 2016, of course Hillary could be force to take a back seat…again, and run for vice president. Obama’s already made a remark about it.

That’s a nighmare of a thought!

Zcat on November 8, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Rubio wasnt on the ticket smart one.

It was the precious anointed one’s job to carry Florida for Romney. He couldn’t.

And Ryan is invisible on the campaign trail.

Ryan actually turned out to be quite good on the campaign trail. He is an excellent retail politician. However, he is going to play second fiddle to the nominee. Rubio would also have played second fiddle to the nominee. Ryan gave an excellent speech at the convention and did well in the debate against Biden. He kept all the conservative media and backroom guys from jumping over the ledge in September. There is nothing to suggest that Rubio would have done any better. In fact, Ryan has a lot more experience than Rubio, so the opposite might be the case.

Sorry, but you need to be flashy and charismatic these days. You not realizing this says a lot.

Flash and charisma is why we’re totally talking about President Palin right now. Yes, Reagan knew how to give a great speech, but there was also a substantive agenda behind those speeches. He had ideas and he had accomplishments. Rubio reminds me more of Palin than Reagan. He gives a nice speech, but what ideas does he have and what accomplishments?? The guy’s last bill in the Senate was about tax breaks for Olympians. That’s pretty small ball. When Rubio decides what his agenda is and who he is, I will take him seriously. Right now, I’m seeing him as the Rs Obama. However, I don’t think that Rubio will get a pass on his lack of experience and fluff agenda, unlike Obama.

For Ryan, I know who he is and where he stands. He is all about saving us from the fiscal calamity. He is the only politician in DC who is willing to talk about big ideas. The guy is a transformational candidate. And yes.. he does have charisma. It is a quieter sort of charm than a Rubio, but as a Midwestern girl who grew up right next to Ryan’s home district, I prefer his Midwestern style of speaking to a barn burner speech.

ot. And Ryan has actual accomplishments? He spits out ideas that were never passed. Yet he did vote for TARP, GM Bailout, Bush medicare…

Ryan has ideas. Rubio does not. And now, we get to the real meat of the whining… How dare Ryan defy conservative orthodoxy. First, TARP was unfortunately necessary unless you wanted the entire U.S. financial system to fail. That was a really scary time in this country… so please don’t tell me that it wasn’t necessary. Second, GM was basically about Janesville… Yes, Ryan’s a politician and he likes his job.. m’kay. Third, Medicare Part D was because Ryan was a junior member of the House and had to vote party line. What was interesting about that is that he snuggled up to Bush enough to get some free market stuff in the book.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 11:48 PM

You know what I cannot wait to happen? People on Hotair just picking random minority candidates as their favorite because they think that is how you win the minority vote. I remember the people losing their MINDS over Herman Cain, as if he would net the GOP 50% of the African American vote or something. Same thing happened with Sarah Palin because republicans thought they could get the pissed off Hillary fans. Same thing will happen with Rubio in 2016 because idiots think that running a Hispanic will net a ton of Hispanic votes.

thphilli on November 8, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Hoping to see Bobby Jindal make a 2016 run. Forget any current Senators.

He is the most credible bona fide conservative out there, and I would just love, love to see the democrats try to marginalize him and still keep indian/asian americans on their side.

True Conservative
100% Pro-Life /Evangelical
Smart as a whip, with tons of relevant experience (especially will come in handy as the obamacare-opolypse starts unwinding)

can_con on November 8, 2012 at 11:51 PM

thphilli on November 8, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Who do you recommend (or, at least, think is headed in the right direction)? What new idea should be at the top of the GOP policy agenda?

Robert_Paulson on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 PM

If the long-awaited fiscal crisis finally strikes, all bets are off and his profile will soar as a potential savior. But even if it doesn’t, I hope he runs just so that I can see where his Kemp-ian instincts take him. This sounded bold, and interesting:

It’s actually intriguing to me in a different way than one thinks. The Romney advisors were probably right to shoot down the whole Ryan touring inner cities idea because it wasn’t going to lead to more votes in swing states. However, the whole idea would have helped Ryan broaden his appeal and have helped him and his political image… More Jack Kemp and less granny off the cliff. So Ryan was basically proposing using the Romney campaign to improve Ryan’s future political prospects. That’s intriguing that he was thinking a few steps ahead and hopefully,.. fingers crossed.. bodes well for 2016. Also it is interesting that every time Ryan didn’t get something he wanted.. either a surrogate would complain about his misuse or there would be a leak somewhere. Then, the campaign would change course. Sweetie is much better at getting what he wants than Palin.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 11:58 PM

can_con on November 8, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I like Jindal as well. Honestly worried about the “TV factor” and if he projects enough gravitas and star quality, though.

Robert_Paulson on November 8, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Please conservatives…run another Bush! It will be like Bush I, Bush II, and straight-to-video Bush III! I kid…Jeb is 10x smarter than W. W killed the Bush brand. Maybe Jeb can change his name to something less toxic, like OJ Simpson.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 AM

She is dishonest, morally and spiritually reprobate, genuinely stupid, mean, devoid of character and integrity, racist, greedy, gluttonous, and powerhungry..

A democrat.

tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

.
And she will be the 45 th President accompanied by a Latino VeeP. Sadly, America will again follow the identity political strategy.
He’ll – if BILL Clinton hadn’t been such a perve, this would have marked the 20th year without an R president and would be 24 yrs the next time around. Maybe then the economic collapse will give the Rs a shot- but that may be just more wishful thinking. This country is so much more dysfunctional than the media will allow you to know.

In the mean time keep supporting the UAW, and buy those Gm / ford products. /

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Right now, a Hillary Admin would be a bit of a relief. Even as a lefty….she has more common sense, more experience, and more humility than Teh One. Hell, she played the gun control card against Bammy in 2008 and she seemed credible in doing so.

If it were an election between Hil’ and Bammy I’d vote Hillary in a heartbeat.

The name “Bush” will not appear on another national ballot in this country. The “Bush” legacy will last for years and poison its water. I voted for him twice and today I could not again. Invading Iraq was his death knell. Even though I voted for GWB twice and did so willfully, I now acknowledge that he set the right-of-center movement back at least a decade in the process. Seeing so many GOP votes still today staying away from the voting booth is just the start of it.

JoeinTX on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Please conservatives…run another Bush! It will be like Bush I, Bush II, and straight-to-video Bush III! I kid…Jeb is 10x smarter than W. W killed the Bush brand. Maybe Jeb can change his name to something less toxic, like OJ Simpson.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Even Jeb Bush knows this will not happen although I think Dubya will be vindicated.

But.. hey.. Shouldn’t we get some odds already about how Rs will never be elected President again!! After all, that is what Axelrod is paying you to shill.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Benghazi

gracie on November 9, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Ryan actually turned out to be quite good on the campaign trail. He is an excellent retail politician.

No he wasnt. He was invisible everywhere, so much so that he was more invisible than ROMNEY

Flash and charisma is why we’re totally talking about President Palin right now. Yes, Reagan knew how to give a great speech, but there was also a substantive agenda behind those speeches

Out of all the speeches I’ve seen Reagan speak, his more famous ones, they had as little policy as possible and was just going around the edges. Ryan is white bread that has failed. Romney ran on his ideas, they failed.

Ryan has ideas. Rubio does not.

People run for office, not ideas honey. Ryan can be a VP nominee or something again or manager of the budget.

Flapjackmaka on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

And she will be the 45 th President accompanied by a Latino VeeP. Sadly, America will again follow the identity political strategy.
He’ll – if BILL Clinton hadn’t been such a perve, this would have marked the 20th year without an R president and would be 24 yrs the next time around. Maybe then the economic collapse will give the Rs a shot- but that may be just more wishful thinking. This country is so much more dysfunctional than the media will allow you to know.

In the mean time keep supporting the UAW, and buy those Gm / ford products. /

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Are you serious? I am in the UAW, but I do not support it, even though I am exempt by waiver from ACA.

I only purchase japanese vehicles manufactured/assembled 98% or more from Japan.

tom daschle concerned on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Hilary will be pushing 70 and she’s not wearing well already, a second term at 74 not likely, please Clintons and Jeb Bush just go away enough already……With the exception of Rubio, who would need a Governership under his belt, so far it appears the Republicans have learned nothing….Huckabee, Jeb Bush, I have a man crush on Obama and Springsteen Chris Christy…….Palin 2016

oldmans on November 9, 2012 at 12:43 AM

The next election will come down to Hillary versus Condoleeza. Condi will win in a landslide.

Dick Morris

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 12:44 AM

You realize that if Hillary runs, she will need to up the ante in the free device department.

HillaryPad 2016!

PatriotGal2257 on November 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM

No he wasnt. He was invisible everywhere, so much so that he was more invisible than ROMNEY

Actually.. He was a good retail politician. This is how honey gets elected in a D district. But.. no he was totes invisible and vapid Latino guy with no experience is totes great at that.

Out of all the speeches I’ve seen Reagan speak, his more famous ones, they had as little policy as possible and was just going around the edges. Ryan is white bread that has failed. Romney ran on his ideas, they failed.

Yes… Mr. Gorbachev tear down that wall was totally not about ending Communism… m’kay. Yes, Reagan’s speeches were about big ideas in general. Rubio has one speech. It’s about the fact that his parents were poor and from Cuba. There are actually some delightful turns in there. I love the whole my father worked behind the bar, so that he could stand in front of it. But unlike Reagan, I don’t know what Rubio stands for other than what the Koch brothers tell me he stands for. There is no link between Rubio’s biography and his beliefs. With Ryan’s speech, there was a link between who Ryan was and what he was proposing.

As for Ryan’s ideas, Romney didn’t run on them. He didn’t make the election about big things. That would have at least been a satisfying defeat as I wouldn’t feel sad about running the vapid Obama supporters over the fiscal cliff.

People run for office, not ideas honey. Ryan can be a VP nominee or something again or manager of the budget.

So basically you’re suggesting that we should just follow the Democratic party into Honey Boo-Boo and Real Housewives land.. As in we vote for the nominee who makes the prettiest speeches (or speech in Rubio’s case). I hate to tell you this, but Rubio’s isn’t going to get the same media as Obama, m’kay. People will actually challenge his background and point out his lack of experience. Gosh.. lightweight.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Palin – Rubio
Palin – Jindal
Palin – Rice

And in just that order, with SP at the top of the ticket. What a visual, BHO having to pass her the baton on the inaugural podium and turn in his “golf for life” card.

In any event, no more NE GOP-Lite candidates, please.

I know you all loved up on Mitt but, honestly, though a good man, he’s the guy I’d hire as a management consultant, not a street fighter or a leader to follow into battle (or a campaign). Though I wish he’d won, of course, considering my nation is being slowly eaten from the inside.

As for the above “shake it up” list, I’m not even sure the GOP is a viable vehicle for any of those combinations, considering the folks holding the reins. Though, also, take a look at Greta’s informal poll re: who folks are looking to as the titular head of the R party. There’s even some fractions in the percentages, just like Nate Silver!

IndieDogg on November 9, 2012 at 12:58 AM

But.. hey.. Shouldn’t we get some odds already about how Rs will never be elected President again!! After all, that is what Axelrod is paying you to shill.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I am glad you enjoyed my odds updates…and as you may have noticed, they turned out to be 100% accurate and reliable. I will quote myself…

Obama has led this election from day one. At his lowest point, Obama was about a 1.5:1 favorite, but he has been increasing ever since to the current 4.5 to 1 favorite status. Remember all of the sites, pundits, pollsters, etc that have fed you misinformation the whole time during this election cycle. The next cycle you will be more prepared to understand what it really going on.

I think the people paying attention on this website may have learned something. As Bush once said…”Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice…won’t get fooled again!”

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Right now, the GOP’s looking for a magic bullet to win back some of the Latino vote,

You could offer them free stuff?

but an economic agenda aimed squarely at the middle class would help more across the board

Offering them free stuff is proven to work.

Alberta_Patriot on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

She must be a very strong woman to have been through all that and still be running for President while all the while trying to keep track of the whereabouts of her teenage husband.

Sigmund on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Yes, and she manages to do it while flying around the globe in a drunken stupor.

She is, indeed, remarkable.

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Huma mixes her drinks

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM

I am glad you enjoyed my odds updates…and as you may have noticed, they turned out to be 100% accurate and reliable. I will quote myself…

No I didn’t.. I am for both you and Gumby getting banned.. m’kay. Why exactly are you still on Axelrod’s payroll or do you just drink lots of Koolaid?

I think the people paying attention on this website may have learned something. As Bush once said…”Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice…won’t get fooled again!”

Other than you are a vapid Obama shrill paid by Axelrod.. nothing really. But hey!! I support Obama becoming like Bush in his second term.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Hillary will be an unstoppable machine in 2016. If the chicks whose vagina does their thinking for then voted for Oblamer, then you can only imagine how she will roll to victory in the next Preezy election. And the ladies will get Billy Jeff as an added bonus as first lady.

Cuomo has no shot. Not looking like Boris Karloff.

The only show the RePubes have is to go brown and/or female. Rubio is a start. Martinez or Sandavol perhaps. Nikki Haley? I like Mary Fallin from Oklahoma.

Rockshine on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 AM

No I didn’t.. I am for both you and Gumby getting banned.. m’kay. Why exactly are you still on Axelrod’s payroll or do you just drink lots of Koolaid?

Why are you mad at me…I was telling you the truth! All of my predictions came true, and they were based on facts. I was trying to enlighten you to reality. Be mad at the people who told you stuff that wasn’t true. Your anger is misplaced.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 2:09 AM

PPP – IOWA GOP 2016

Mike Huckabee 15%
Marco Rubio 12%
Paul Ryan 12%
Chris Christie 12%
Jeb Bush 11%
Rick Santorum 10%
Condoleezza Rice 9%
Rand Paul 5%
Sarah Palin 4%

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I see 2 people on that list, who can ram knives into Democrats and twist them with a smile. Christie is unacceptable as Charlie Crist was when he started tongue-kissing Obummer. And then Im left with… Sarah Palin. I cant believe it. She is the only one on that list who really can play hardball. I think she needs to run for Senate in 2014.

Valkyriepundit on November 9, 2012 at 2:30 AM

HA, do you realize how irrelevant you appear to me of late?

Sherman1864 on November 9, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Allen West 2016

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:45 AM

So we run a Magic Hispanic?

Cool…….

Ideas.

98ZJUSMC on November 9, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Is the hero of Benghazi running?

Lonetown on November 9, 2012 at 5:03 AM

Dear God!

We haven’t even finished counting the 2012 results, and already playing with 2016?? No wonder the electorate ignores politics–there’s just too much of the stuff.

Please make them stop at least until after inauguration day 2013 so those of us with lives apart from party politics can get a break.

Kevin K. on November 9, 2012 at 5:39 AM

Why are you mad at me…I was telling you the truth! All of my predictions came true, and they were based on facts. I was trying to enlighten you to reality. Be mad at the people who told you stuff that wasn’t true. Your anger is misplaced.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 2:09 AM

I’m mad because you basically posted the same spam over and over again.. which suggests that you are an Axelrod shill. So do you stay on with the campaign and keep spamming us? When does your contract run out? Do you think that Hillary will let you stay on?

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 AM

PPP – IOWA GOP 2016

Mike Huckabee 15%
Marco Rubio 12%
Paul Ryan 12%
Chris Christie 12%
Jeb Bush 11%
Rick Santorum 10%
Condoleezza Rice 9%
Rand Paul 5%
Sarah Palin 4%

Shoot me now.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

+100

I’m out. I’ll be voting Libertarian for the first time in 2016.

Caper29 on November 9, 2012 at 7:21 AM

I guess Benghazi was just some bumps in the road.

CW on November 9, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Shoot me now.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

What you don’t like Christie?
/

CW on November 9, 2012 at 7:28 AM

The fact that Christie is even on there suggests pure name recognition as well as the fact that CHuckles is leading. Also, the field will be cleared for Rubio.. Count on it.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM

’m on board the Rubio wagon. His convention speech blew me away and he gets what it means to be middle class, to work your way up, to inspire people of what the American dream means. He does have to tone down the amnesty BS and understand that the GOP has to, has to, HAS TO get back those Reagan Democrats — Reagan Democrats that *could* go to Hillary should she run. We have to realize we’re not going to get all of the Latino vote and should not do so at the expense of the white working and middle class.

It is the same speech he always gives.. If you look at his Senate victory speech, google it on You Tube, you’ll notice the similarities. At least get some new material.

Also, Reagan had an agenda. Rubio’s speech is about his parents coming from Cuba and being poor. It’s a great “I love America” speech, but it doesn’t tell me about how his background informs his agenda. A great political speech isn’t just my dad worked behind the bar so I could stand here today.. (Although that line would be thrilling in a inaugural address).. It’s here’s my experience and how my conservative ideals will help more people help their children get where I am today. Condi Rice’s speech had that great line at the end about her parents and growing up in Birmingham, AL utterly convinced that she could be President.. which is even more chill worthy than Rubio’s, but it was also an “ideas” speech that had lots to say about foreign policy and some domestic ideas (education).

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 7:45 AM

The only thing this shows is the current ‘Next in line’ strategy for the GOP doesn’t work. Consider that since 1928 every successful GOP ticket has featured two names: Nixon and Bush. Eisenhower/Nixon, Nixon/Agnew, Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quayle, Bush/Cheney.

Eisenhower – War hero.

Reagan – CA Gov. who had been staunchly anti-communist for decades and a shrewd economic analyst on the geopolitical scale.

Only George W. Bush ran as an ‘outsider’, stepping out of his turn (behind Jeb).

As an outsider in the GOP process you have to be either: incredibly well known outside of GOP politics OR have an establishment, internal machine pipeline.

This is the problem with the GOP that must and is changing due to the Tea Party, which is liquidating the old power structure at the State level and trying to get a number of States into a survivable form of government. That has been done effectively, under the radar, quietly and in just 3 years. The process to actually get these candidates up and through the system is still at least 2 Presidential cycles away, because the old GOP Elite Establishment has to go either through ousting or attrition.

The #1 secret that none of the MFM are ever going to tell you: there are scads of empty precincts in the Democratic Party run by a handful of apparatchiks or by no one AT ALL. Want to start liquidating the Democratic Party and reform it? You don’t start at the machine level, but where the machine gets its juice… at the low end. Apparently too many are oriented on PARTY and not on COUNTRY and see that PARTY is the way to go, while liberty and representation are the STANDARDS TO APPLY. Want a better Nation? Start the liquidation process on the Democratic Party and work with Tea Partiers to form up an agenda that is fiscally conservative, offers up a few nuances but generally shifts the choice away from the government and back to the people.

That is the project of a generation, not a few election cycles.

Yet it is how you win.

And, yes, I’ve been saying that since post-2010. Still true, too.

ajacksonian on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Um, Hillzilla already looks like an extra on The Walking Dead.

Then again a country that can elect a communist dog eater twice is probably ready for President Zombie.

CorporatePiggy on November 9, 2012 at 8:07 AM

The candidacy of Paul Ryan was a miserable failure and did not help in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pensylvania, Florida, Colorado or Nevada. Marco Rubio would have been a better choice.

Falz on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM

If Hillary wins the nomination and Republicans don’t bribe Monica Lewinski or Paula Jones (or both) into giving a brief convention speech I’ll give up on the Stupid Party for good. They’ll never learn.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 8:47 AM

The first problem with this poll, is the belief that there will be election in 4 years.

LoganSix on November 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM

If the Rs really want to lose their base they can start talking about giving out the goodies to all demographics. There will be no difference between them and the dems which is why they lost with Mitt who didn’t really show much difference between himself and Zero. There is a lot to be done to fix or get rid of all the social programs of the last 60 years. Ryan would have tried, Bush tried a little but caved on SS.

Kissmygrits on November 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Of course no mention of Palin…

We need a TRUE Conservative to lead the party.

Palin 2016

ChuckTX on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Hillary is going to need a hell of a lot more then a face lift and a tummy tuck to be presentable in 2016. She already looks older then dirt. But then with the “useful idiots” voting anything is possible.

savage24 on November 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I worked the polls in Wisconsin, and in Ryan’s defense, he didn’t have a chance against the fraud. I saw a ton of it – including a guy using his arrest / booking photo as a picture ID. The Dem’s poll watcher was actively working the line and the buses were coming with the “driver” filling out everyone’s ballot for them.

The Dems called the election at 7:00 – the Dem pollwatcher told me (in confidence) that they’d gotten enough votes into win.

Daisy_WI on November 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

What the republican party needs is a candidate that shocks voters into reconsidering the party. The GOP is currently the old white party that is anti-science. You don’t change that by just wildly grabbing for minorities that still say the same things republicans have been saying for years. You change it by running someone who is actually different.

thphilli on November 8, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Any suggestions on who?

Shump on November 9, 2012 at 10:05 AM

He’ll – if BILL Clinton hadn’t been such a perve, this would have marked the 20th year without an R president and would be 24 yrs the next time around.

You seriously think Bush won because Clinton was “such a perve”? You don’t think it had anything to do with Al Gore being the opponent?

Shump on November 9, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Will never happen because all the “free stuff” money will be gone and the Democratic party will be in shambles by then. A new party will be formed, called “The American Party” and will save our country.

Amazingoly on November 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Nicely done, AP. Salt meet wound.

Tennman on November 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

from monarchy to spiritual faith (end 1621)
from spiritual faith to courage (1621-1750)
from courage to liberty (1750-1800)
from liberty to abundance (1800-1960)
from abundance to selfishness (1960-1975)
from selfishness to apathy (1975-1990)
from apathy to dependency (1990-2012)
from dependency to dictatorship (2012- )
from dictatorship (hillary) to monarchy (chelsea)
.
the Clinton Monarchy commences …

Carnac on November 9, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Just look at the Conservative party here in Merry Old Englandshire and look at their demise.

The Iron Lady led them to three general elections in a row, and yet certain members were still not satisfied and wanted to bring about “change” , which they finally accomplished when they elected John Major as Leader.

What happened? Major was able to lead the Tories to an electoral victory in 1992 but lost the election in 1997 – which was amongst their worst electoral result in the history of the party .

They compromised on their values and beliefs, stuck with the ‘Grey Man’ as their leader and as a result spent 13 years in the political wilderness for their sins.

Not content with losing the election, they decided to go through as many leaders as humanely possible from William Hague, to Ian Duncan Smith, Michael Howard and finally David Cameron.

And despite all this chopping and changing they are not the party they used to be and they still cannot win an overall majority!

This is not the time for you Republicans to get squishy and go chasing the rainbow because you will ultimately be disappointed .

If anyone listened to Dennis Prager yesterday you will have heard him talk about this and how it will lead to the Republican Party becoming ‘Democrat Lite’ .

Stick to your core beliefs and values and work on a strategy of communication.

Look at the word ‘Change’ who’d of thought that would be such a powerful buzzword and yet it’s fairly mundane – it doesn’t refer to anything in specific and yet it has such great connotations as a buzz word for the average voter .

Apologies if I’m waffling .

EnglishRogue on November 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Clinton and Biden…

The Yoot Party

teacherman on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Benghazi destroyed Hillary Clinton’s chance of ever getting back to the White House. They can’t stonewall for 4+ years.

J Baustian on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

When people see what they will inherit from this guy, they will run and hide for fear of being drafted and the only one that will be happy is HIM as he will have become a king.

j bo on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Behghazi will have no effect on her or Obama. It would only have an effect if it were anyone other than a Liberal Democrat. There is not enough press in the world to get the BAD news out there to let people know the truth.

j bo on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I can see the 1st campaign video her Democratic Party rival airs in the race for the Party Nomination

“How did Hillary Handle the ’1am Phone Calls’ as Secretary of State?”

Video: Hillary Clinton rolls over in bed, picks up the phone…

Hillary: “Hello? Stevens? For the last time, I don’t care if this IS the 2nd terrorist attack against you and your staff, you are just going to have to make due with the Libyan Security detail we have already assigned to you. You are NOT getting any more security personnel in Benghazi!”

Screen fades out….next scene starts off with flag-draped coffins being unloaded off a military transport plane…Hillary walks over to the father of one of the dead SEAL members who died in the 9/11/12 attack in Benghazi & says, “I PROMISE WE WILL MAKE THE PERSON WHO MADE THAT VIDEO PAY!”

easyt65 on November 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM

News Flash:

The 2016 Nomination is Hilliary’s if she wants it.

And we’re looking at President Hillary (Her deal with Bill will be along the lines of What happens in the Lincoln Bedroom stays in the Lincoln Bedroom) unless the GOP figures out a way to stop chasing women out of the party.

EconomicNeocon on November 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

If the Republicans had won 40% of the Latino vote in every state they would not have won ANY other state. ZERO! And if they would have won 60% of the Latino vote they would have only carried three more states and still would have lost the election by two states[Virginia and Ohio].

The establishment are pushing the Hispanic thing because they are pushing Jeb Bush and Jeb Bush’s protege, Marco Rubio. Its all based on lies about how if we win the Hispanic vote we win this election.

Don’t believe the lies.

KMav on November 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I think Hillary has lost A LOT of her base! She has “agreed with” Obama on EVERYTHING. That pretty much wipes out the “credibility” she had when she was running against him in 2008—where she DISAGREED with Obama on JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING!!! She can’t have it both ways!

DixT on November 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

After listening to young and old tell WHY they voted for Obama in 2008 and again in 2012, I’ve come to the conclusion that The U.S. NO LONGER HAS AN EDUCATION SYSTEM! I mean, you can’t make this stuff up!!! And colleges and universities ARE NOT doing any better in EDUCATING THE YOUNG!

DixT on November 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko…

notasheeple on November 9, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I worked the polls in Wisconsin, and in Ryan’s defense, he didn’t have a chance against the fraud. I saw a ton of it – including a guy using his arrest / booking photo as a picture ID. The Dem’s poll watcher was actively working the line and the buses were coming with the “driver” filling out everyone’s ballot for them.

The Dems called the election at 7:00 – the Dem pollwatcher told me (in confidence) that they’d gotten enough votes into win.

Daisy_WI on November 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Was this in Milwaukee Daisy?

wi farmgirl on November 9, 2012 at 9:49 PM

For God’s sake.

This country is finished.

I can’t believe the tone is ‘hey, let’s talk elections LOL!’

Unbelievable.

I used to think this was a place where we could go to think critically.

Man, I’m so outta here.

fossten on November 9, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Who cares anymore? No one in my family has a job, we have very little money, and Obummercare is going to take health care away from our disabled child.

We gave it our all and lost. My husband, an independent contractor for defense companies, will probably never get hired again in his field. Right now he can’t seem to get hired for anything else either. I see no hope for the future.

Tricare, the military health care system for retirees and their families, is set to be decimated by Obummer after next year. It will be as if my husband never served because we will lose all of our health insurance. We won’t be able to afford to buy any so I guess we will be on Medicaid which almost no doctors in this whole county will accept.

Next election my children will be old enough to vote. We will all show up and vote against the Demoncrats and do some praying for their defeat but that’s all.

sherrimae on November 10, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Sherrimae I am truly sorry Vietnam Navy veteran here. All of my household gave it all also, Walked,Phoned talked and every single one of our candidates got beat. I wish there was a glimmer of hope on the horizon, but I just don’t see it, I also don’t understand how so many hard working decent peopleare being punished while the evil murdering thugs from Chicago live high off the hog. We can only hope that the punishment that is coming to.these people hurts for a very long time.As a veteran this little man is not my president , not now not ever.

Remember Benghazi

stormridercx4 on November 10, 2012 at 4:14 AM

Please!….Can we take a break from polls for the next few years?

Calamity Jane on November 10, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Can we take a break from polls for the next few years?

Haven’t you heard? Obama is a lame duck now.

EconomicNeocon on November 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Scott Walker/ Susanna Martinez 2016! You need a proven executive with a record of reform to push the map in the Midwest. Susanna can help with the Mountain West and among Latinos and the combo should solidify the South. I hope they both run for president and then unite the party at the end of the primaries.

One thing that cannot happen is for the GOP to push a Jeb Bush or Chris Christie candidacy. It would be an absolute disaster.

milemarker2020 on November 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM

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