Now recreational Pot is legal in the state of Washington.The border is going to get worse and the Cartel corridors in this country will expand.
workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Easy fix. Get rid of the abominable War on Drugs and put the responsibility on the individual to use, not abuse. Then we can ease the border to focus on work permits for the legitimate flow of labor while snuffing the cartels. The bonus will be increased tax revenues, provided the pols don’t get greedy as they did with tobacco and open up the black market all over again.

I have no problems voting for a second generation American provided that his/her parents were naturalized proof to his/her birth. Till then I wont ever vote for them.

Too bad Sarah didn’t run as third party just so we can validate what xx% a conservative would have taken from Mittness. As promised I did not vote for Mittness, not that it affected his EVs since Oklahoma was all in for him. But I’m impressed with Gary Johnson’s showing in Florida as it should be — an alternative to what the GOPe shoved on us.

Oh well, either the GOP gets turned out with new leadership from the conservative ranks or say hello to the Constitutional / Conservative Party.

And all of that is why he is completely unelectable.

A social Libertarian is our only hope. Push the social issues back to the states and denounce the Federal government getting involved.

If you argue for Rubio based on his way to articulate conservatism and appeal to voters/ minorities then that’s a good argument.

If part of it is pure identity politics and pandering/ such as compromising our priniciples on illegals then forgot it.

Oh I don’t know. If hispanics and blacks actually understood that they’d prosper under a smaller, business friendly, liberty expanding government they’d vote for us everytime.

The problem is they don’t.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I like the idea of running Rubio because he an telegenic, articulate, intelligent-sounding advocate of conservatism.

But you’re right, we can’t just run him and keep doing the same things. The longer we keep punting on immigration the worse it’s going to get.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I agree. It’s not the message of conservative that is lacking, its the messengers that have been lacking. We need to find a way to package that message so that appeals to more minorities and young people without changing the message. We also need more communicators to bring that message to the people…That was Reagan’s gift.

I don’t think it’s identity politics to have a conservative (yeah yeah I know, he’s a Rino) who is both a great communicator, and who looks like the minorities we are trying to reach to spread that message.

Sorry, but the Republican base is white and aging. How many who voted for McCain in’08 have since passed
on?

White women sold us down the river. What can be done about that?

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

We can start asking Senate candidates “What about rape babies?” in the primaries so we can keep them from getting nominated if they fall on their faces over that question instead of providing the media with endless fodder to advance the Democrat narrative.

The progressives are not doing all this from evil motives (which says nothing about whether the means and ends are not, ultimately, evil) but are doing it because they honestly believe that human evolution progresses toward this egalitarian utopia naturally. They are with Spock when he said “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…or the one” and apply that to everything. Society is more important than the individual, period. Since that is true, government is merely the engine that powers progress to this “just” and evolved society. They don’t see how it erodes and ultimately quashes freedom. Freedom seems to only apply to sex for them.

So trying to “appeal” to Hispanics or Blacks or women or whomever it is that would feel compelled to vote Democrat is going to be tough if they aren’t looking for what you are selling.

What conservatives need to do is change the conversation and find a better product to sell. That’s marketing and conservatives are not very good at it. We can’t sell not-government, not directly. But we can address the needs that government supposedly fulfills with better products (free-market products). There are lots of smart people who can enumerate those products but we need someone to do the marketing, change the conversation, divert people to a better alternative without trashing the product they already bought. Can they do that? I have no idea, but trying to appeal to people because they fall into some group is not going to work.

White women sold us down the river. What can be done about that?

The majority these folks unite over immigration in solid brotherhood under the banner of hispanic.

Don’t kid yourself…The left is adept at racial unity as a political weapon.

This voting block can be split if the focus is on economy,family and border security to reduce crime on both sides of the border.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Exactly. The problem isn’t the illegals themselves, it’s that Democrats demagogue the issue with the entire Latino community by saying “The evil white Republicans hate people who look like you.” One of the few things Democrats are really good at is playing racial politics and pitting groups of people against each other so this is right in their wheelhouse. We need to take away their club or they will just keep using it to greater and greater effect.

This is sad.

too fractured to repair

One problem: “Hispanic” is not a politically useful category. Rubio is Cuban, which is a fairly small minority of Hispanics outside Florida, and most importantly, Cubans don’t have the same “illegality” problem that Mexicans and many South Americans have, due to how Cuban immigration is handled by American law. Since the big “voting issue” for Mexicans and other groups is legalizing status and easy border crossing (however it’s done), it isn’t clear that Rubio would help much there.

Not that he won’t help with Mexicans and other groups, but he won’t be quite the slam-dunk that many think with “Hispanics”.

foobarista on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The majority these folks unite over immigration in solid brotherhood under the banner of hispanic.

Don’t kid yourself…The left is adept at racial unity as a political weapon.

This voting block can be split if the focus is on economy,family and border security to reduce crime on both sides of the border.

Amnesty will be the deathknell of the GOP and the end of the country. Texas would turn blue, and America will become a defacto single party progressive/fascist state.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Texas is already gonna do that because economic refugees from failed liberal states have been flooding the state, so our task is to educate as many as we can in a smart way.

Change the topic to win the war…

Border Security effects all families and businesses and unites us in common cause.

Now recreational Pot is legal in the state of Washington.

The border is going to get worse and the Cartel corridors in this country will expand.

Not that he won’t help with Mexicans and other groups, but he won’t be quite the slam-dunk that many think with “Hispanics”.

Pretty much. No blanket amnesty and certainly no citizenship but something that removes the fear of deportation and brings them into the workforce above-board. It takes away the club the Democrats are beating us with, and if has another unintended side-effect: You want to bring illegals into the GOP? Let them pay Obama’s income tax rates for a few years.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I hope our side start adopting ideas and policies like this… We can certainly win a lot of Latinos with these policies…

That idea has merit but it will play into the hands and wallets of the unions, making them more powerful. Union dues equal votes.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The Unions are against us anyway so no loss there…

The vast majority of Evengalical voted yesyterday and probaly 80% voted for Romney. It is unfortunately a small minority of Evangelical who decided that they will not vote for the Mormon guy… 3 millions of them… and may be more than that… enough to to give Romney the elections…

Next time the top of the ticket should be a WASP governor and Rubio as his VP…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

More like 99.9% of true evangelicals voted for Romney. True evangelicals would never vote in such a strident abortion advocate like Obama.

Perry would NOT have beaten Obama. When the going got tough in the primaries, Perry completely fell apart and was incoherent. What do you think would have happened when the real election came around?

daoster on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Perry cratered because the republican primaries revealed utter insanity of it’s electorate and unless our side is honest about it the leftists will continue to win.

1. Palin worship is the same as Obama worship and just as destructive. Nothing against Palin but she had an adverse effect on the primary.

2. Records matter because they should.

3. Policies should be based on principled governance that works…not ideology. The Texas Dream Act was a bi-partisan law in response to federal pressure to make Texas into California. The only way for Texas to avoid that is to secede from the union…We did it cause we lost the SCOTUS case.

4. Conservatives demanded their own Obamaish Messiah at the expense of using the economic small government argument.

5. The televised debates were a disaster for Republicans in the primaries…Too many of them and we got lost in the weeds.

GOP made a drastic error this time.

They ran the electable candidate who had already alienated an important voting block who voted race over economics because immigration is always hispanic and always becomes racial.

Reagan knew that.

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Pretty much. No blanket amnesty and certainly no citizenship but something that removes the fear of deportation and brings them into the workforce above-board. It takes away the club the Democrats are beating us with, and if has another unintended side-effect: You want to bring illegals into the GOP? Let them pay Obama’s income tax rates for a few years.

Was last night’s big winner Marco Rubio?

Nope…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That idea has merit but it will play into the hands and wallets of the unions, making them more powerful. Union dues equal votes.