Video: Was last night’s big winner Marco Rubio?

posted at 11:21 am on November 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The appalling exit polls from yesterday’s loss shows a huge problem for Republicans in the shifting demographics of the nation.  Mitt Romney won 58% of the white vote, but didn’t even hit 30% among any of the non-white demographics in the electorate, which comprised 28% of the overall vote.  Barack Obama won 69% of the Latino vote, which will only grow from its present 10% in coming years.  Mike Huckabee blasted the GOP’s efforts at outreach on Fox News last night:

“What do you make of the racial divide we are seeing in vote totals,” Megyn Kelly asked.

“I don’t see it as all that shocking. I mean, typically, people of color tend to vote Democratic anyway,” Huckabee began.

“I think Republicans have done a pathetic job of reaching out to people of color – something we have to work on,” Huckabee continued. “Republicans have acted like they can’t get the vote, so they don’t try. And the result is that they don’t get the vote.”

George Will has a recipe for that problem — more Marco Rubio:

Following ABC’s declaration of President Barack Obama’s re-election, Will explained that the GOP will look to Rubio to lead the party and expand its demographic appeal.

Obama “did close with a kick and both sides fought a gallant fight,” Will said. “Mitt Romney had a problem — I think Nicole [Wallace], you were talking about. During the Republican nominating process, the party turned first to one person and then to another to try and avoid what turned out to be inevitable.”

“If there’s a winner tonight, it’s the senator from Florida, Marco Rubio. Because all eyes are now going to be turned to him as a man who might have a way to broaden the demographic appeal of this party.”

Earlier this morning, I wrote that the GOP needs to find new leadership, new voices, and most importantly new approaches to conservatism that will allow a broader range of voters to relate to its core values.  Of all the players we have on the bench, Rubio is clearly the best we have for that role.  We discussed this last night on the Hugh Hewitt Show when Dennis Prager joined us by phone just as Ohio got called for Obama.  Prager insisted that the Republican Party’s next leader needs to be Rubio, who represents and explains the core values of conservatism better than any other Republican at the national level, and who understands how to relate it to a broader range of voters.

Unfortunately, it was too early in Rubio’s national career to move forward in 2012.  By 2016, he will have one term in the Senate, with a background as House Speaker in the Florida legisature.  Will that be enough for credibility as a national candidate?  Actually, I’m less concerned with 2016 as I am with the four years in between.  We just can’t wait for the next presidential election to start rebuilding the direction of conservatism.

We need to offer a new approach to policy that remains in line with our core values, too.  Matt Lewis argues today that Republicans have to start by choosing new leadership, but also choosing new “followship” as well by putting a substantial change in approach on the table:

As I’ve written before, Republicans must find a way to appeal to cosmopolitan conservatives. A modern political party cannot exist if it concedes the young, the urban, and the educated.

Some of this can be fixed through style and aesthetics. Football teams get new uniforms. Political parties can likewise benefit from repackaging. But there should clearly be some actual soul searching as well.

For years, I’ve been advocating finding ways to attract more Hispanic voters. There are many reasons why conservatives should do this — reasons that transcend the now-obvious political reasons.

There will be a push to nominate a candidate who, at least, symbolically “fixes” this problem. Marco Rubio would be an obvious selection. But making the substantive changes won’t just require leadership, it will also require followship.

After two successive and significant national-election losses, it’s quite obvious that what Republicans and conservatives have done hasn’t worked.  I’m reminded at this juncture of Jack Kemp, who should have had a brighter future, and who worked diligently to make conservatism relevant not just to affluent suburbanites but also to struggling urban voters.  Rubio has that quality as well, but as Matt writes, it won’t work unless we start offering creative solutions along with better salesmanship.

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And their issues will never be solved because of higher priorities, which actually reads low waged employees for their campaign donors.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Between liberal education (which means no education) and our media they really believe all their problems are the fault of Republicans and keep voting for the same people.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Conservatives showed up and voted even though the candidate wasn’t totally conservative. It wasn’t enough. It’s only going to get worse from here. That’s the trouble.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Most did but a sizable chunk did not. A sizable portion of them said I am not voting for liberal Mitt Romney the father of Obama Care I hate. Thus the turnout being far more Democratic than in 2010.

And GW won handidly both times.

Flapjackmaka on November 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM

He pushed for Amnesty in his second term and lost big time the Presidency to Obama. McCain was the head of Amnesty.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Umm..dimpled chads isn’t handily.

Illinidiva on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Either Rubio or Martinez…

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Northeastern educated Christians abandoned Romney.

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Look at all the Catholics that voted 0bama. Catholics.

Insanity.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Look at all the Catholics that voted 0bama. Catholics.

Insanity.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Pretty stupid, maybe they like free stuff more.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Look at all the Catholics that voted 0bama. Catholics.

Insanity.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Yes not like Mitt Romney shut out the Catholics from Adoption in Mass where they used to have 50% of that.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Rubio/Cruz 2016!

Look at all the Catholics that voted 0bama. Catholics.

Insanity.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Cafeteria Catholics. Church going Catholics not so much.

Iblis on November 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Pretty stupid, maybe they like free stuff more.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

This is why America is doomed.

Free stuff trumps everything, and the democrats will always be able to hand out free stuff faster than the GOP.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

He pushed for Amnesty in his second term and lost big time the Presidency to Obama. McCain was the head of Amnesty.

McCain also got more Latino votes than Romney.

daoster on November 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Yes, the day after we need to run to the most well known brown face and push him. Not quite.

As I have said many times on here, all politics from here on out will be racial. I felt this was the last chance to win for the GOP because the demographics would be against us come 2016. Well guess what? It has happened faster then expected. The era of white Europeans being than majority is over. Especially since white European females consider themselves a minority and vote as such with blacks and latinos.

This doesn’t bode well for the future. The country will continue to become more divided but along racial lines. We have seen how that works out in other countries.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You can change the color of the turd but it’s still a turd. The GOP must change some of it’s policies towards telling other humans how to live their lives via the force of government. We won’t grow until we acknowledge that free and independent humans should be able to make their own decisions. Once you get out of peoples lives, and allow them more freedom, you won’t win anymore. Embrace the notion and practice of liberty, and show how tyrannical the DNC really is.

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Rubio/Cruz 2016!

Look at all the Catholics that voted 0bama. Catholics.

Insanity.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Cafeteria Catholics. Church going Catholics not so much.

Iblis on November 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Yeah…

Democrats always unite Hispanics over Immigration.

Women Unite over Feminism

This is a fact of demographics.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Needed to change/add: “Once you get out of peoples lives, and allow them more freedom, you can begin to win.”

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

That’s a good point. However, if we’d just maintained McCain’s vote totals last night the GOP would have won. How McCain fired up and inspired the base more than Romney/Ryan is beyond me. Hard to believe it was the Mormon issue, but, maybe so.

All that said, I don’t think simply running Rubio next time is the answer.

JoeinTX on November 7, 2012 at 12:06 PM

or, there are allot of McCain voters which switched parties because they, now, want free stuff. It’s possible because the Obama model predicted +6-8 D advantage.

jjnco73 on November 7, 2012 at 12:08 PM

or…Sarah Palin

congma on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

taht line of reasoning would make sense if the libs werent even worse about interfering in people’s lives and stealing their liberty.

chasdal on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Most did but a sizable chunk did not. A sizable portion of them said I am not voting for liberal Mitt Romney the father of Obama Care I hate. Thus the turnout being far more Democratic than in 2010.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Look at the total number of votes cast. I thought I made this point already: It’s not that a lot of people who showed up in 2010 stayed home yesterday, it’s that a lot of people who showed up yesterday had stayed home in 2010.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

taht line of reasoning would make sense if the libs werent even worse about interfering in people’s lives and stealing their liberty.

chasdal on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

This is precisely why it makes sense. You have to put them on the defensive regarding freedoms and liberty, just as they put the GOP on the defense regarding race.

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM

You know, education is another thing that bothers me. Either our side is going to have to do a lot of remediation or home schooling needs to become the rule rather than exception. Good grief we are putting a lot of stupid people into the public. And I’m not talking ideology, just plain basic skills to get through life. No wonder they want the government to take care of them.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

McCain also got more Latino votes than Romney.

daoster on November 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Perry tried to make the issue about border security…But no..The Governor of Texas was pounded for…

Gardisil (Lady Parts Issue)
Texas Dream Act (Anti-Hispanic Issue)
Texans are Stoopid (GWB Issue)
Crony Capitalism (RINO Issue)

On and on and on…

The Primaries and the General election prove that a successful record and good policies don’t matter.

Gov. Perry could have won more Hispanics then either McCain or Romney because of the Texas economic record.

But I don’t think even the Texas record could have beaten Obama in this election…

Over 1/2 of the people who voted still blame Bush for everything.

Romney and Santorum blew it on Hispanics and Ladyparts Issues in the Primaries and that was enough.

No way Perry could have beat Obama with the Hate Texas and Hate Bush excuse.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Look at the total number of votes cast. I thought I made this point already: It’s not that a lot of people who showed up in 2010 stayed home yesterday, it’s that a lot of people who showed up yesterday had stayed home in 2010.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Come on.

Mitt underperformed McCain.

Obama Care killed any chance Mitt had as it should have.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Rush says that the A/P says we are a more racist nation now then we were in 2008.

Take that slap in the face White America…You gave Obama an undeserved do over but your still raaaaaacist!

If a White Candidate runs for office it is a permanent racist issue.

Balkanization marches on.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

No way Perry could have beat Obama with the Hate Texas and Hate Bush excuse.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Look I hate Perry. He told me I had no heart after all.

However he would have easily beaten Obama.

America spoke loudly in 2010 no Obama Care. Perry would have repealed it and would have won on that issue alone.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Perry would have repealed it and would have won on that issue alone.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Here I thought the #1 issue on voter’s minds was the economy and not health care. We were dead no matter which of our candidates we nominated.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

You know, education is another thing that bothers me. Either our side is going to have to do a lot of remediation or home schooling needs to become the rule rather than exception. Good grief we are putting a lot of stupid people into the public. And I’m not talking ideology, just plain basic skills to get through life. No wonder they want the government to take care of them.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Well I think Hedge Schools are the future of Catholic Education.

We’ve done it before & we’ll do it again.

http://www.hedgeschool.com/Irishhistory.html

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Guys, it doesn’t make any difference who ran against Obama, he’s historical and people think that means something. And they may be right, just not what they think it does.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

All my kids are grown and I have no grandchildren, which in retrospect is probably a good thing. I would probably be a very unpopular grandparent on this subject.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Guys, it doesn’t make any difference who ran against Obama, he’s historical and people think that means something. And they may be right, just not what they think it does.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Historic misery perhaps?

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Swell, you have found your group to blame. Now what does it get you? What do you suggest we do with these mythical Evangelicals?

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I suggest we make sure to appease them. Next time top of the ticket is a WASP governor and Rubio as his VP…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Look I hate Perry. He told me I had no heart after all.

However he would have easily beaten Obama.

America spoke loudly in 2010 no Obama Care. Perry would have repealed it and would have won on that issue alone

Perry would NOT have beaten Obama. When the going got tough in the primaries, Perry completely fell apart and was incoherent. What do you think would have happened when the real election came around?

daoster on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

As an “Evangelical”, I beg to differ. I voted for Romney. However, we are A Divided Nation.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 12:01 PM

The vast majority of Evengalical voted yesyterday and probaly 80% voted for Romney. It is unfortunately a small minority of Evangelical who decided that they will not vote for the Mormon guy… 3 millions of them… and may be more than that… enough to to give Romney the elections…

Next time the top of the ticket should be a WASP governor and Rubio as his VP…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

No way Perry could have beat Obama with the Hate Texas and Hate Bush excuse.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Look I hate Perry. He told me I had no heart after all.

However he would have easily beaten Obama.

America spoke loudly in 2010 no Obama Care. Perry would have repealed it and would have won on that issue alone.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

He said that to save the hispanic vote for the general & he would have chosen either Rubio or Martinez as a running mate.

Your butt hurt was indicative of emotion trumping reason during the primaries.

Obama did exactly what I said he would and he started to do it as soon as Perry dropped out of the race.

While Republicans were busy with Newt,Santorum,Paul and Romney…

Obama took credit for the Texas Economy and said the Nation was doing better & People fell for it!

Nobody fought this for months and by the end of the primaries Obama’s narrative pushed by the media had seeped in to the point where most Americans thought we were on an upswing.

Take Texas out of the economic numbers since 2009 and the real state of the economy is obvious.

Any state that currently enjoys a frakking boom will be under renewed assault by Obama.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I suggest we make sure to appease them. Next time top of the ticket is a WASP governor and Rubio as his VP…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Symbolism over substance? You think they’re dumb enough to fall for that?

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I think so. I know of a lot of small business that have already disappeared, can you imagine what Obamacare is going to do to them.
We may actually have to go single payer for any commerce to survive. Then he can get out his mission accomplished sign.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Amnesty will be the deathknell of the GOP and the end of the country. Texas would turn blue, and America will become a defacto single party progressive/fascist state.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM

There is another solution… For the illegal immmigrants here you give them a working permit that can be renewed every 5 years but they will be prohibited forever from becoming citizens or even permanent residents…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You think they’re dumb enough to fall for that?

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

They just reelected Obama.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Symbolism over substance? You think they’re dumb enough to fall for that?

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

It is not symbolism… The WASP governor should have a very good record and Christian principles… The VP, Rubio, would appeal to a lot of Hispanics…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That idea has merit but it will play into the hands and wallets of the unions, making them more powerful. Union dues equal votes.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Was last night’s big winner Marco Rubio?

Nope…

Gohawgs on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Pretty much. No blanket amnesty and certainly no citizenship but something that removes the fear of deportation and brings them into the workforce above-board. It takes away the club the Democrats are beating us with, and if has another unintended side-effect: You want to bring illegals into the GOP? Let them pay Obama’s income tax rates for a few years.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Perry would NOT have beaten Obama. When the going got tough in the primaries, Perry completely fell apart and was incoherent. What do you think would have happened when the real election came around?

daoster on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Perry cratered because the republican primaries revealed utter insanity of it’s electorate and unless our side is honest about it the leftists will continue to win.

1. Palin worship is the same as Obama worship and just as destructive. Nothing against Palin but she had an adverse effect on the primary.

2. Records matter because they should.

3. Policies should be based on principled governance that works…not ideology. The Texas Dream Act was a bi-partisan law in response to federal pressure to make Texas into California. The only way for Texas to avoid that is to secede from the union…We did it cause we lost the SCOTUS case.

4. Conservatives demanded their own Obamaish Messiah at the expense of using the economic small government argument.

5. The televised debates were a disaster for Republicans in the primaries…Too many of them and we got lost in the weeds.

GOP made a drastic error this time.

They ran the electable candidate who had already alienated an important voting block who voted race over economics because immigration is always hispanic and always becomes racial.

Reagan knew that.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

That idea has merit but it will play into the hands and wallets of the unions, making them more powerful. Union dues equal votes.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The Unions are against us anyway so no loss there…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Pretty much. No blanket amnesty and certainly no citizenship but something that removes the fear of deportation and brings them into the workforce above-board. It takes away the club the Democrats are beating us with, and if has another unintended side-effect: You want to bring illegals into the GOP? Let them pay Obama’s income tax rates for a few years.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I hope our side start adopting ideas and policies like this… We can certainly win a lot of Latinos with these policies…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

One problem: “Hispanic” is not a politically useful category. Rubio is Cuban, which is a fairly small minority of Hispanics outside Florida, and most importantly, Cubans don’t have the same “illegality” problem that Mexicans and many South Americans have, due to how Cuban immigration is handled by American law. Since the big “voting issue” for Mexicans and other groups is legalizing status and easy border crossing (however it’s done), it isn’t clear that Rubio would help much there.

Not that he won’t help with Mexicans and other groups, but he won’t be quite the slam-dunk that many think with “Hispanics”.

foobarista on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Amnesty will be the deathknell of the GOP and the end of the country. Texas would turn blue, and America will become a defacto single party progressive/fascist state.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Texas is already gonna do that because economic refugees from failed liberal states have been flooding the state, so our task is to educate as many as we can in a smart way.

Change the topic to win the war…

Border Security effects all families and businesses and unites us in common cause.

Now recreational Pot is legal in the state of Washington.

The border is going to get worse and the Cartel corridors in this country will expand.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

One problem: “Hispanic” is not a politically useful category. Rubio is Cuban, which is a fairly small minority of Hispanics outside Florida, and most importantly, Cubans don’t have the same “illegality” problem that Mexicans and many South Americans have, due to how Cuban immigration is handled by American law. Since the big “voting issue” for Mexicans and other groups is legalizing status and easy border crossing (however it’s done), it isn’t clear that Rubio would help much there.

Not that he won’t help with Mexicans and other groups, but he won’t be quite the slam-dunk that many think with “Hispanics”.

foobarista on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The majority these folks unite over immigration in solid brotherhood under the banner of hispanic.

Don’t kid yourself…The left is adept at racial unity as a political weapon.

This voting block can be split if the focus is on economy,family and border security to reduce crime on both sides of the border.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

NO ONE was a big winner last night..imho..:(

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

GOP is done.

This is sad.

too fractured to repair

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM

The majority these folks unite over immigration in solid brotherhood under the banner of hispanic.

Don’t kid yourself…The left is adept at racial unity as a political weapon.

This voting block can be split if the focus is on economy,family and border security to reduce crime on both sides of the border.

workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Exactly. The problem isn’t the illegals themselves, it’s that Democrats demagogue the issue with the entire Latino community by saying “The evil white Republicans hate people who look like you.” One of the few things Democrats are really good at is playing racial politics and pitting groups of people against each other so this is right in their wheelhouse. We need to take away their club or they will just keep using it to greater and greater effect.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Sorry, but the Republican base is white and aging. How many who voted for McCain in’08 have since passed
on?

White women sold us down the river. What can be done about that?

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

In sales there is always competition. The other vendors are selling something at the same time you are and you need to make your product more appealing. This works well as long as your product and theirs is given equal consideration. It’s also true in the retail world that you don’t get far just attacking your competitors product. The buyer isn’t interested in how BAD that product is (not directly) but instead is interested in whether your product fits their needs or not. The voters in this nation, over the last 80 years or so, have been taught that they need government. That’s the product they are buying. Our political parties, thus, are trying to sell different versions of government. If I then go out and try to sell not-government, I’m not even addressing their perceived needs. The Progressives in this country have done a masterful job of convincing large groups of people that they need government. They did it through the education system and media (which is really synergistic). Many people responded “hear, hear” to “you didn’t build that” because they honestly believe that is the case.

The progressives are not doing all this from evil motives (which says nothing about whether the means and ends are not, ultimately, evil) but are doing it because they honestly believe that human evolution progresses toward this egalitarian utopia naturally. They are with Spock when he said “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…or the one” and apply that to everything. Society is more important than the individual, period. Since that is true, government is merely the engine that powers progress to this “just” and evolved society. They don’t see how it erodes and ultimately quashes freedom. Freedom seems to only apply to sex for them.

So trying to “appeal” to Hispanics or Blacks or women or whomever it is that would feel compelled to vote Democrat is going to be tough if they aren’t looking for what you are selling.

What conservatives need to do is change the conversation and find a better product to sell. That’s marketing and conservatives are not very good at it. We can’t sell not-government, not directly. But we can address the needs that government supposedly fulfills with better products (free-market products). There are lots of smart people who can enumerate those products but we need someone to do the marketing, change the conversation, divert people to a better alternative without trashing the product they already bought. Can they do that? I have no idea, but trying to appeal to people because they fall into some group is not going to work.

BillyWilly on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Sorry, but the Republican base is white and aging. How many who voted for McCain in’08 have since passed
on?

White women sold us down the river. What can be done about that?

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

We can start asking Senate candidates “What about rape babies?” in the primaries so we can keep them from getting nominated if they fall on their faces over that question instead of providing the media with endless fodder to advance the Democrat narrative.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Oh I don’t know. If hispanics and blacks actually understood that they’d prosper under a smaller, business friendly, liberty expanding government they’d vote for us everytime.

The problem is they don’t.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I like the idea of running Rubio because he an telegenic, articulate, intelligent-sounding advocate of conservatism.

But you’re right, we can’t just run him and keep doing the same things. The longer we keep punting on immigration the worse it’s going to get.

alchemist19 on November 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I agree. It’s not the message of conservative that is lacking, its the messengers that have been lacking. We need to find a way to package that message so that appeals to more minorities and young people without changing the message. We also need more communicators to bring that message to the people…That was Reagan’s gift.

I don’t think it’s identity politics to have a conservative (yeah yeah I know, he’s a Rino) who is both a great communicator, and who looks like the minorities we are trying to reach to spread that message.

right of the dial on November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Rest assured Team Chicago has already begun executing a “Kill Rubio” plan to make him the pariah of the Latino community well before the next GOP primary season starts. They try the same crap on every good guy we’ve got, and it always seems to work for them.

bobcalco on November 7, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I’ll say this:

If you argue for Rubio based on his way to articulate conservatism and appeal to voters/ minorities then that’s a good argument.

If part of it is pure identity politics and pandering/ such as compromising our priniciples on illegals then forgot it.

LevinFan on November 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Most of us LOVE Rubio. He is a true conservative and speaks the message better than anyone we have.

And all of that is why he is completely unelectable.

A social Libertarian is our only hope. Push the social issues back to the states and denounce the Federal government getting involved.

Carnac on November 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM

No we’re against Rubio because he has no accomplishments.. mkay.

Illinidiva on November 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Rubio has a future as a leader, but he has none WRT POTUS except there be a constitutional amendment to fix the qualifications language. And don’t tell me that SCOTUS has already decided the issue unless you also accept that they have already settled the question of ObamneyCare. Deal?

I have no problems voting for a second generation American provided that his/her parents were naturalized proof to his/her birth. Till then I wont ever vote for them.

Too bad Sarah didn’t run as third party just so we can validate what xx% a conservative would have taken from Mittness. As promised I did not vote for Mittness, not that it affected his EVs since Oklahoma was all in for him. But I’m impressed with Gary Johnson’s showing in Florida as it should be — an alternative to what the GOPe shoved on us.

Oh well, either the GOP gets turned out with new leadership from the conservative ranks or say hello to the Constitutional / Conservative Party.

AH_C on November 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Now recreational Pot is legal in the state of Washington.The border is going to get worse and the Cartel corridors in this country will expand.
workingclass artist on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Easy fix. Get rid of the abominable War on Drugs and put the responsibility on the individual to use, not abuse. Then we can ease the border to focus on work permits for the legitimate flow of labor while snuffing the cartels. The bonus will be increased tax revenues, provided the pols don’t get greedy as they did with tobacco and open up the black market all over again.

AH_C on November 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I left the Republican Party because it was too liberal (McCain and Romney typify what I mean). It refuses to stand up for principal and Republican elected officials get co-opted by the system and end up as corrupt as the Democrats. The Rebupiican history of “the next man in line” being nominated by the party for national office has now cost it two elections in a row. I fear who they may nominate the next time. Newt? Perry? Huckabee? Paul? Bush? I hope not. Newt has no appeal to younger voters. Perry is an idiot and former Democrat, governor of Texas only because he was convinced to change parties by Rove before Bush 43 ran for president. Huckabee is a typical politician only enamored with himself and the money he makes on Fox. Paul represents the moonbeam following of his father, but is not in touch with reality. Bush – please not another Bush, they are decent men, but not conservatives. Some people are seriously floating the idea of a new party. Perhaps it is time.

georgeofthedesert on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 AM

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