Todd: GOP will run toward immigration reform next year

posted at 12:41 pm on November 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I think Chuck Todd has this right, and not just because of last night’s poor showing for Republicans among Hispanics.  In looking at the daunting issues facing the lame-duck 112th Congress and the incoming 113th, comprehensive immigration reform might be a comparative slam-dunk:

 

After Tuesday night’s re-election victory for President Barack Obama, MSNBC’s Chuck Todd predicted that one of the president’s agenda items — one promise he never managed to fulfill in his first term — would breeze into law. ”Immigration reform,” he said, will get “80 to 90 votes in the Senate.” Since the election night results showed Republicans unable to attract Latino voters, he said, “Republicans will run, not walk, in trying to support that now.”

The question isn’t whether Republicans will rush to back some version of comprehensive immigration reform.  There have always been enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass a reform plan.  A Republican President came close to passing a version of it in 2007 but got demagogued by Democrats and halted by conservatives in the Senate who thought it gave too much away.  Had Obama chosen to propose immigration reform in 2009, ahead of ObamaCare and particularly if he had allowed Republicans more of a bipartisan role in shaping a stimulus package both sides wanted in one form or another, Obama could easily have passed immigration on his terms three years ago.

Now, immigration reform looks like low-hanging fruit compared to the crises that face our political class now.  The lame-duck Congress has to undo sequestration and deal with Taxmageddon.  The next Congress has to figure out how to deal with massive deficits and unfunded entitlement liabilities that will crush the American economy within a decade without serious reform.  On those issues, there is substantial philosophical and ideological hostility.  In comparison, there are only a few issues keeping immigration reform from being passed, nearly none of which are ideological, and most of which are either technical or matters of prioritization.

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides.  It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.

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The blatant denial of FiveThirtyEight and other reputable predictors of the election show the profound mistrust of data around here, so your disbelief in climate change does not surprise me.
I do not support open borders. I don’t know anyone who does (although I suspect you’d be more likely to find proponents among the Libertarians than the Democrats).

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Again, stop saying “climate change.” The climate always changes. That’s been true for 6 billion years.

What you are advocating is “AGW,” the theory that human activity has been a major driver in global warming (and global cooling before that, sup Paul Ehrlich!), which is a giant lie driven by manipulated data that seeks to introduce global governance and tells us that the answer to global warming is….socialism and redistribution! Man, what a shocker. Can’t believe that elite academics from the 1970′s are recommending that old chestnut, eh?

See, you’re a liberal, so your complete misunderstanding of data and how models work doesn’t surprise me. What Nate Silver did wasn’t anything amazing. His model gave us basically the same result as the final RCP Poll of Polls. The polling data was correct, so his model was correct.

In AGW, however, the data is manipulated beyond belief. The models are inaccurate because the data is inaccurate. Garbage in, garbage out.

You don’t support open borders? Really? Well, you don’t want us to have a border wall, and you don’t want us to enforce any of our laws against people entering this country illegally, so how is that different in practice form an open border?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

And all the while my German girlfriend enters the green card lottery with the faint hope of winning.

She’s doing it all wrong .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

78% of this nation is still Christian. The only reason Romney did as well as he did, is because Southern Christians voted for him. Yes, those same “Socons” you’re ragging on. The electorate has not changed. Just look at all the Red on the individual counties map.

We tried it your way. We supported the GOP Elite “Moderate”.
It didn’t work.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Someone finally gets it – too late, I guess.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

If that’s what you want then you are a fiscally conservative Democrat. They are nearly extinct in the Democrat party but perhaps if you joined you could pull some over to fiscal sanity. But to ask conservatives to give up on abortion which many consider murder is to destroy your own coalition. Look I’m an Independent. I can live with a lot of compromise but you would cease to appeal to a lot of Republicans. How would that help your cause?

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Moreover, I see abortion and suicide as natural-selection tools, which are doubly necessary in absence of natural enemies and scarcity of wars.

O_O

O_O

Jeebus…that made my hair stand on end.

Maybe I didn’t buy enough at Cabelas, what time do they close?

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The only conservative bones in McCain’s body was fiscal. The common bond between Romney and Ryan was fiscal conservatism. IT FAILED!

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

It was never tried. As Rush said at the top of his show today, Romney was running against Santa. Stupid greedy people want “free” stuff. Fiscal conservativism the opposite of “free” stuff. And those stupid greedy people don’t want to be told that they can’t have their “free” stuff.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Greate news! We can then have more welfare voters to vote for Obama’s 3rd term.

mojojojo on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

And those of you that have ANY TYPE of visible wealth better think about doing something about that.

If you have a nice big house, or nice car or property you better stop and think about how this transformation is going to evolve.

As the nation gets more dependent on the Government (enslaved) and they need more revenue where do you think they are going to look?

The 401ks and Wall Street has about $9 trillion in assets. Why is it fair that some profit while others are not given a “fair shot” at investing in the future? You can hear it already.

It’s coming…………..HIDE YOUR WEALTH.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

95% of blacks want the federal government to give them jobs money.
lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

FIFY

LegendHasIt on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

And all the while my German girlfriend enters the green card lottery with the faint hope of winning.

She’s doing it all wrong .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I’m thinking what, educated, white, hard working, law abiding?

We don’t need such people here because she doesn’t have the wisdom gained from an hispanic upbringing.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

They don’t get that at all. Apparently it failed though because the rest of the GOP. I am done- really done with the GOP. We are turning into Democrats, and I am not even a big raving socon.

We ceded social issues this time. We did whisper one word because we were afraid. This allowed the Democrats to write the narrative and make us into the boogie man. EVEN if we get a frickin pro-choice DEMOCRAT to run- democrats are going to continue this because we are ceding the narrative to them.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

So, according to you, the Democrats are fiscally conservative, and the only different between the two parties is social issues?

Can I buy some of your crazy pills?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yep. And many of the illegals do come here to find jobs. What jobs? That fact alone may stem some of the border crashing.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

That’s the Libertarian labor argument, and it makes sense in a vacuum. The part that Libertarians never seem to mention/consider is that we have a massive welfare state (that is getting bigger). You can’t have both defacto open borders and a massive welfare state.

As long as our massive nanny/welfare state continues to operate the worst day in America will always be better than the best day south of the border for an unskilled, uneducated migrant worker.

visions on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I’m not going to argue with you if you’re going to characterize my positions as something that they’re not. Just keep on believing what’s convenient for you, and we’ll see how that works out for you in 2016.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I’m thinking what, educated, white, hard working, law abiding?

We don’t need such people here because she doesn’t have the wisdom gained from an hispanic upbringing.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

But she is a Catholic, props?

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

We tried it your way. We supported the GOP Elite “Moderate”.
It didn’t work.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

It didn’t work because we alienated women and young voters with a socially conservative message.

Go ahead, keep trying to win with just older white men. You’re going to keep losing. There are two alternatives:

1. Pander to minorities and become the Dem-Lite party. Stop even pretending to care about fiscal conservatism, go all-in on sweet government cheese to the black and Hispanic communities. Try and out-pander the kings of pandering.

2. Remain true to fiscal conservatism but try and attract a broader coalition by bringing in moderate Democrats who will be receptive to a fiscally conservative message but are turned off by social issues.

Oh yeah, and 3. Keep doing what we’re doing, never win another national election, and go the way of the Whigs.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

So, according to you, the Democrats are fiscally conservative, and the only different between the two parties is social issues?

Can I buy some of your crazy pills?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Where did I say that? We ran a fiscal conservative it didn’t work. The electorate didn’t change because of social conservatism. They changed because they suddenly like government bennies and MItt represented the big bad business man to them. As far as social issues, the Dems made Mitt out to be a fundamentalist and because he was silent on it- he let them write the narrative-get it?

BTW, I find fiscal issues to be directly tied to social issues. This need for government in private relationships; this need for government to pay for everything-HHS, contraception etc. are social issues but they are also fiscal issues and should have been addressed as such.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:31 PM

They don’t get that at all. Apparently it failed though because the rest of the GOP. I am done- really done with the GOP. We are turning into Democrats, and I am not even a big raving socon.

We ceded social issues this time. We did whisper one word because we were afraid. This allowed the Democrats to write the narrative and make us into the boogie man. EVEN if we get a frickin pro-choice DEMOCRAT to run- democrats are going to continue this because we are ceding the narrative to them.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

The only thing that has worked for the GOP in my lifetime was a fusion of fiscal and social conservatism. I fear that is no longer enough.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 PM

It didn’t work because we alienated women and young voters with a socially conservative message.

Go ahead, keep trying to win with just older white men. You’re going to keep losing. There are two alternatives:

1. Pander to minorities and become the Dem-Lite party. Stop even pretending to care about fiscal conservatism, go all-in on sweet government cheese to the black and Hispanic communities. Try and out-pander the kings of pandering.

2. Remain true to fiscal conservatism but try and attract a broader coalition by bringing in moderate Democrats who will be receptive to a fiscally conservative message but are turned off by social issues.

Oh yeah, and 3. Keep doing what we’re doing, never win another national election, and go the way of the Whigs.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

LOL– WHO THE HELL HAD A social conservative message? Not our candidate.. You are just someone trying to blame socons for the failure of a fiscal conservative to win an election.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

But she is a Catholic, props?

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Depends. Does she agree that having the federal government dictate to the Catholic Church how it will conduct its operations is good? If so then props, if not then she is a Bible-thumping pseudo Taliban.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’m not going to argue with you if you’re going to characterize my positions as something that they’re not. Just keep on believing what’s convenient for you, and we’ll see how that works out for you in 2016.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Your positions are unintelligent, so I’ll continue to refer to them as such. Anyone who actually buys the company line on AGW is a dope.

If the GOP takes my advice, we’ll do just fine in 2016. There are enough sane Democrats who know that this current path of fiscal insolvency is wrong, that it’s reducing our status as a country, that it will drive us eventually to ruin. They know in their hearts that Obama’s way is suicide and that they only voted for 4 more years of failure because they are stuck on the idea of the GOP as the party of intolerance.

We can change that. We can alter the brand without sacrificing our fiscal principles.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I did hear on the grapevine that Tony Blair is on the lookout for a new line of work .

/s

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

And all the while my German girlfriend enters the green card lottery with the faint hope of winning.

She’s doing it all wrong .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

It took me more than 7 years. Good luck.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

If that’s what you want then you are a fiscally conservative Democrat. They are nearly extinct in the Democrat party but perhaps if you joined you could pull some over to fiscal sanity. But to ask conservatives to give up on abortion which many consider murder is to destroy your own coalition. Look I’m an Independent. I can live with a lot of compromise but you would cease to appeal to a lot of Republicans. How would that help your cause?

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I don’t mind being a fiscally conservative Democrat, except that they are – as you correctly say – nearly extinct. that, eventually, will be their downfall when the federal cheese runs out (much sooner if Boehner gets a nut sack implant and blocks the next debt ceiling increase).

Also, please note that nobody asks the so-cons to *support* or even *approve* abortions or gay marriage. It’s just these particular items must go off the party platform if it wants to cling to a shred of a chance to win nationally in the future.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

So, yanking a baby out of its mother with a pair of tongs is a Conservative thing? Are you meshugga?

You compromise your principles however you want to. Just don’t call yourself a “Conservative”.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

It’s coming…………..HIDE YOUR WEALTH.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Mine is being hidden as we speak in convenient ingots shaped like handguns.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Depends. Does she agree that having the federal government dictate to the Catholic Church how it will conduct its operations is good? If so then props, if not then she is a Bible-thumping pseudo Taliban.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

LOL– WHO THE HELL HAD A social conservative message? Not our candidate.. You are just someone trying to blame socons for the failure of a fiscal conservative to win an election.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

All we had to do was turn some small number of the 10 million who voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012. Your solution is to continue preaching social issues and family values to them. Your solution is the end of the GOP as a legitimate national party.

I’m not ready to give up on this country, but if Democrats stay in power, we’re screwed. The GOP needs to be a sane alternative to fiscal insanity, but if we keep trying to be the party of moral busybodies, we’ll never overtake the Dems.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Wow this is crazy. Hath hell frozen over? A post on Hot Air saying Republicans should support comprehensive immigration reform? Am I dreaming?

Last I remember, every time this issue came up in Congress or in a debate or whatever, any Conservative who supported it was shouted down as supporting “shamnesty” and being a “traitor” or worse.

Wasn’t Michelle Malkin herself one of those back in 2007 screaming on every talk show that immigration reform is “amnesty”?

Now we’re supposed to believe the “no shamnesty” crowd is going to suddenly give in? They’ve made their bed and they’re going to sleep in it until the bitter end.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Because it worked soooooo well for Scott Brown, Linda McMahon, and whoever the loser Snowe wannabe was.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

+1,000,000.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I am sitting here LMAO at you. YOU are on this board arguing that we need a candidate that is a fiscal conservative and leaves social issues by the wayside and yet that is EXACTLY what you got this election. HOW much more left should we go sweetpea, should we get a Democrat on social issues?

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

It took me more than 7 years. Good luck.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Swimming the Rio Grande takes far less time.

What are you, one of those weirdos who still believe in quaint ideas like national sovereignty and the rule of law?

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM

All we had to do was turn some small number of the 10 million who voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012. Your solution is to continue preaching social issues and family values to them. Your solution is the end of the GOP as a legitimate national party.

I’m not ready to give up on this country, but if Democrats stay in power, we’re screwed. The GOP needs to be a sane alternative to fiscal insanity, but if we keep trying to be the party of moral busybodies, we’ll never overtake the Dems.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

No sweetpea… see my post at 1:37

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM

So, yanking a baby out of its mother with a pair of tongs is a Conservative thing? Are you meshugga?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

People die all the time, of both natural and unnatural causes. Is a pair of tongs any better or worse than cholera, malnutrition, car crash, or bullet in the forehead?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

So, yanking a baby out of its mother with a pair of tongs is a Conservative thing? Are you meshugga?

You compromise your principles however you want to. Just don’t call yourself a “Conservative”.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

What good does it do to fight a losing battle on Roe while the country burns to the ground in the midst of fiscal insolvency?

Abortion is a fight worth having, but we cannot win it right now. If we keep fighting it instead of trying to get this country back on solid economic footing, we’ll end up losing both that battle and the war.

“Conservative” doesn’t mean stupid. It doesn’t mean stubbornly holding onto ideals that lose elections. Politics is still what it was in the age of Bismarck, the art of the possible. Solutions that aren’t pragmatic, that aren’t conducive to victory, aren’t worth entertaining.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I think Chuck Todd has this right, and not just because of last night’s poor showing for Republicans among Hispanics.

So open the gate to more legal immigration from Mexico. That way, next election cycle, the GOP can have a poor showing among an even greater number of Hispanics.

I think the GOP needs to park their cars outside, since starting it and forgetting to open the garage door for a few minutes each day is apparently having a cumulative effect.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

We don’t need such people here because she doesn’t have the wisdom gained from an hispanic upbringing.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Or the work ethic found in our inner-cities.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

It’s a defenseless baby. What is the matter with you?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

That’s just great/ Anyone know who I can call to get a refund on the thousands of dollars I spent to come here the legal way? How do I get compensated for the hundreds of hours I spent jumping through hoops to become a legal citizen?

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Also, we never popped babies to get welfare and food-stamps and other freebies . We worked and worked and worked hard, kept ourselves out of trouble all our lives , build up good-excellent credits, remained self reliant, kept our kids out of trouble and paid tonns of taxes over the years ,just so that today we can be punched in the nose by those who leech off us.

burrata on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Abandon the so-cons at your peril.

I suppose I identify myself as one on abortion though I’m sort of ambivalent about gay marriage; we come in all stripes but that doesn’t mean our issues are any less important.

I don’t understand how the GOP is supposed to become temporary liberals on social issues only to turn right sometime in the future and not have everyone turn on them.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

“Conservative” doesn’t mean stupid. It doesn’t mean stubbornly holding onto ideals that lose elections. Politics is still what it was in the age of Bismarck, the art of the possible. Solutions that aren’t pragmatic, that aren’t conducive to victory, aren’t worth entertaining.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

So, your soul has a price.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I am sitting here LMAO at you. YOU are on this board arguing that we need a candidate that is a fiscal conservative and leaves social issues by the wayside and yet that is EXACTLY what you got this election. HOW much more left should we go sweetpea, should we get a Democrat on social issues?

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You’re never going to get it. I could hand you the way to win in 2016 on a silver platter and you’ll knock it away, insisting on trying the same ideas that have gotten us into this mess.

You’re the reason why people have the caricature of Republicans as knuckle-draggers. You refuse to adapt. You refuse to understand electoral and demographic realities.

You have this fantasy that America is still a center-right nation on social issues, but it just isn’t true. We’ve become at best a centrist nation on social issues. But we are still a center-right country on fiscal issues. That’s the only appeal the GOP has.

Romney being so moderate is the reason we only lost 50-48. Had we run someone like Santorum it would have been a repeat of 2008, 54-46 or worse.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM

So, there is lust for being the New Age Apache.

Unlimited illegal immigration from south of the border into the now American Southwest, former Apache Nation Southwest.

Amnesty for those who acted and knowingly in an illegal manner.

Amnesty for those who did not do as the American founders did, fight with life and limb for freedom in the home land.

So little difference between a real slave and a wage slave.

This is an ugly thing, an evil thing, and a judgment will come to those who abuse this way both the illegal immigrants and the current legal citizens of the U.S.A..

Take a moment, read the book “Apache” by Will Levinton Comfort, it is a good look at the Apache Nation and one Apache Chief “Mangus Colorados” long bitter fight with illegal immigrantion from Mexico of the Apache Southwest.

You should not chose to be the New Apache, it does not end well.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM

People die all the time, of both natural and unnatural causes. Is a pair of tongs any better or worse than cholera, malnutrition, car crash, or bullet in the forehead?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

That’s a good point. Why just today there was a special at the Minute Clinic at Walgreens, $5 for a cholera injection.

Do people normally plan to catch diseases, crush themselves in a car wrech or starve to death? Sounds like an exciting way to go through life, I’ll give you that.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Conservative” doesn’t mean stupid. It doesn’t mean stubbornly holding onto ideals that lose elections. Politics is still what it was in the age of Bismarck, the art of the possible. Solutions that aren’t pragmatic, that aren’t conducive to victory, aren’t worth entertaining.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I understand your point, and agree to it at some degree, But before you run a campaign like that (i.e ignore social issues) you have to convince first the religious community that they should agree to that

But they don’t, Just look at the fact that they stood up for Akin,

If you think we can ignore the religious community than i think we can say goodbye to winning VA,NC,OH

For the love of God just look at the votes Romney got in the rural areas, THEY DIDN’T VOTE FOR HIM, the religious community stayed home, because we ignored them for the last 4 years

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

The Democrat’s DO NOT WANT immigration reform.

68% of Hispanic’s vote for them BECAUSE there is no immigration reform.

Demagoguery of the Republican’s is what they want to do.

That and make everyone already here legal citizens. That’s all.

Carnac on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

It took me more than 7 years. Good luck.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

7 years? Goodness, by that time America could end up resembling Europe .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

So open the gate to more legal immigration from Mexico. That way, next election cycle, the GOP can have a poor showing among an even greater number of Hispanics.

If that’s what everyone believes then might as well shut down the GOP now. Whites will become a minority in this country. It is inevitable. And 100% blocking all illegal immigration isn’t going to stop it.

Only solution is for Whites to start outbreeding the other races. We need more white babies.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

So, your soul has a price.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

To win this country back? Hell yes it does. I’m not 100% sure that my soul exists, or that God exists, but I’m 100% certain that this country won’t survive if 2016 goes to the Dems. That’ll be 12 straight years of drunken pirates running the treasury, and we’ll have begun to resemble a banana republic by then.

This isn’t a holy war, it’s secular trench warfare for the future prosperity of this country. I’m not willing to surrender just because I think my soul might get a little shoe polish on it.

When you’re ready to actually fight for the big win in 2016, give me a sign.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Swimming the Rio Grande takes far less time.

What are you, one of those weirdos who still believe in quaint ideas like national sovereignty and the rule of law?

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Yeah, stupid me. I now question my own judgement.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Illegals don’t want citizenship, they want to work. Give them work visas and let them come and go freely. Most will return to MX.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM

You’re the reason why people have the caricature of Republicans as knuckle-draggers. You refuse to adapt. You refuse to understand electoral and demographic realities.

Why thank you better that then a Demlite.. BTW, I am more of a little libertarian but that is besides the point.

You have this fantasy that America is still a center-right nation on social issues, but it just isn’t true. We’ve become at best a centrist nation on social issues. But we are still a center-right country on fiscal issues. That’s the only appeal the GOP has.

No I just realize that social issue are tied to fiscal issues. What do you think the whole “pay for my birth control” is Geesh…

Romney being so moderate is the reason we only lost 50-48. Had we run someone like Santorum it would have been a repeat of 2008, 54-46 or worse.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Who wanted to run Santorum? Romney was the best of the bunch, but he was EXACTLY what YOU say you need to win and we lost. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL ISSUES. It had to do with people who want a government hand out- get it. It had to do with Obamaphones, and someone paying for their birth control and Romney being a rich guy who couldn’t feel their pain.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM

I’m totally for a comprehensive immigration reform.

I rebuilt my house from Katrina using the help of illegal immigrants who saw opportunity in New Orleans and came here to work and rebuild it.

Everyone else ran away. The people who lived here – ran away.

The Mexicans RAN TOWARD New Orleans. And thank God for them.

I’d value a hard-working Mexican in this nation over a native born American on welfare. In fact, as part of the immigration reform I’ll support sending true-born American free-loaders to Mexico in exchange for hard working Mexicans.

HondaV65 on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Aside, man o man how I wanted you to be wrong.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

For the love of God just look at the votes Romney got in the rural areas, THEY DIDN’T VOTE FOR HIM, the religious community stayed home, because we ignored them for the last 4 years

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

He doesn’t get it.. He thinks he can sway enough “independents” to make up for those votes. He thinks that the south is a given so that the big cities in the south won’t make them blue except we have seen virginia and south carolina and others turn that way the last few elections. If the rest of the social conservatives stay home in those states then the urban blue centers control the vote. And it doesn’t matter that many non-social conservative moderates lost this election like Scott Brown and Romney- it is always the so-cons fault.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

If you think we can ignore the religious community than i think we can say goodbye to winning VA,NC,OH

For the love of God just look at the votes Romney got in the rural areas, THEY DIDN’T VOTE FOR HIM, the religious community stayed home, because we ignored them for the last 4 years

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

But we already lost VA and OH. Is engaging even more on social issues going to make up that gap? And if it does, what about all the young moderate voters we’re going to alienate with that kind of rhetoric?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

OK, let me get this straight. We have 23 million people here right now (legal and illegal?) who can’t find jobs and we want to give amnesty to the illegals?

And we know what happened last time. It was supposed to be 1 million that morphed into 3 million because the terms were so loose that a cottage industry sprung up to forge the documents needed to “prove” one was here during the amnesty time.

The House has to draw the line here. If not, we are truly doomed. Obama will be wildly successful in fundamentally transforming our nation.

karenhasfreedom on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

HondaV65

Slave trader.
or
Slave user.

You love the price.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM

But we already lost VA and OH. Is engaging even more on social issues going to make up that gap? And if it does, what about all the young moderate voters we’re going to alienate with that kind of rhetoric?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Yeah surprise,surprise- we lost them when we ran two fiscal conservatives because the urban centers had a better turn out then the rural socons.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM

People die all the time, of both natural and unnatural causes. Is a pair of tongs any better or worse than cholera, malnutrition, car crash, or bullet in the forehead?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Worse than the first three, yes, but the last one also sounds like depriving another human of their natural right to live, so those would be about the same.

Thing is, we have laws that say you go to jail if you put a bullet in someone’s forehead. Heck, even the car crash will probably mean jail time if they were hit by another driver, even if it was an accident.

The Schaef on November 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Then, I pity you.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Illegals don’t want citizenship, they want to work. Give them work visas and let them come and go freely. Most will return to MX.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM

So why do illegals breed like crazy and get on welfare , as their second order of business after crossing our border ?
( Their first order of business is to get a DL , SS# and ID from their ” church”).
‘Illegals come here to work’ is the biggest lie perpetuated by laraza=drug cartels , just like the one about the existance of
” peaceful muslims” .

burrata on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I’m totally for a comprehensive immigration reform.

I rebuilt my house from Katrina using the help of illegal immigrants who saw opportunity in New Orleans and came here to work and rebuild it.

Everyone else ran away. The people who lived here – ran away.

The Mexicans RAN TOWARD New Orleans. And thank God for them.

I’d value a hard-working Mexican in this nation over a native born American on welfare. In fact, as part of the immigration reform I’ll support sending true-born American free-loaders to Mexico in exchange for hard working Mexicans.

HondaV65 on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

What makes you think that after they become legal they won’t sit around on welfare just like native born americans do? The reason why we love illegal immigrants is because they work, but they work because they don’t have another choice, if they become legal, who knows if they will continue to work or just start sucking money just like half the country is already doing?

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM

It’s a defenseless baby. What is the matter with you?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

And I pity a defenseless fetus torn out of the womb, just as I pity a defenseless baby who dies in any other circumstances. In fact, me being non-Christian and stuff, I equally pity a deer I bag on a hunt. I just refuse to build my political platform around that pity.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Obama couldn’t even get Republicans to support letting Hispanic soldiers and college kids get citizenship, now you guys think they’re gonna let Obama open the borders and give amnesty to everyone?

This article is from fantasy land.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM

If you only think of yourselves and what is good for you at this moment in time.

Then.

Time will not see you for long.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM

So, your politics have nothing to do with your belief system?

Isn’t that called hypocrisy?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Worse than the first three, yes, but the last one also sounds like depriving another human of their natural right to live, so those would be about the same.

The Schaef on November 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Then lobby for the statute law that makes abortion illegal, just as environazis lobby for laws that make coal power and incandescent light bulbs illegal. Just don’t hang that particular albatross around the party’s neck.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Or “Liberalism”?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM

So open the gate to more legal immigration from Mexico. That way, next election cycle, the GOP can have a poor showing among an even greater number of Hispanics.

I think the GOP needs to park their cars outside, since starting it and forgetting to open the garage door for a few minutes each day is apparently having a cumulative effect.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

This. Republicans are nuts when it comes to immigration.

Go look at where immigration has come from for the last 45 years. Again, we used to let only the best and brightest come into this country. Ted Kennedy did not like that, so he changed it to sole immigration from countries that would provide people who could ensure a turn-out that we saw yesterday. No need to have any actual skills to benefit America, just an ability to vote Democrat.

Republicans response has been to twiddle their thumbs and let it happen while saying idiotic things like “we love legal immigration.” And now the Democrats want even more voters to bury the Republicans, and the Republicans are just going to cave. Great.

milcus on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

So, your politics have nothing to do with your belief system?

Isn’t that called hypocrisy?

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

It’s called SANITY. Politics is the art of possible. Personally, I would love many things – such as, for example, a 50% tax discount for everyone whose HotAir nick starts with “A” – but I’m unlikely to ever achieve them.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM

But we already lost VA and OH. Is engaging even more on social issues going to make up that gap? And if it does, what about all the young moderate voters we’re going to alienate with that kind of rhetoric?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

My argument is that we lost VA and OH because we ignored social issues, and we will continue to lose it in the future if we keep ignoring it

It is time to realize that we have 3-5 million people in this country that their #1 issue is moral values, and Bush got every one of them to the polls which is why he won OH in 04 even though the exit polls had it for Kerry, because he ran up huge margins in rural areas

Your campaign must focus on fiscal issues, but we cannot ignore those folks who feel very strongly about social issue, they also vote and they were responsible for Bush x2

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM

It took me more than 7 years. Good luck.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I have an Indian friend I used to work with who is about 3 years away from citizenship. He said that most Indians will vote Democratic and he’s in the minority. He agreed that most legal immigrants today (85% of which are from third world countries) will vote Dem. He also despises the thought of amnesty. So do I. Letting in 1 million people a year who are Dem voters and don’t assimilate is death by a thousand cuts and those cuts that have been happening since the 1965 immigration act just added up to one fell swoop to the jugular vein of America last night.

TxAnn56 on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Is a pair of tongs any better or worse than cholera, malnutrition, car crash, or bullet in the forehead?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Significantly worse. This is an apples and oranges comparison. The pair of tongs are intentional. The others are generally are not.

chemman on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Vote Slaves for Democrats.
Wage Slaves for Republicans.

Loss of the U.S. for US.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Also, please note that nobody asks the so-cons to *support* or even *approve* abortions or gay marriage. It’s just these particular items must go off the party platform if it wants to cling to a shred of a chance to win nationally in the future.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

You mean like God and Israel had to go off of the Democrat’s platform?

And that sounds a lot like catholics aren’t really *paying* for abortion and contraception the Insurance companies that they are paying are *paying* for the abortions and contraception. What are you offering religous republicans in exchange for their souls?

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

So why do illegals breed like crazy and get on welfare , as their second order of business after crossing our border ?
( Their first order of business is to get a DL , SS# and ID from their ” church”).
‘Illegals come here to work’ is the biggest lie perpetuated by laraza=drug cartels , just like the one about the existance of
” peaceful muslims” .

Then what is the solution? This country is already 20% Hispanic and that proportion will keep increasing, illegal immigration or not.

I see a no-win situation here. The balkanization of America is pretty much inevitable at this point.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 2:05 PM

I’m totally for a comprehensive immigration reform.

I rebuilt my house from Katrina using the help of illegal immigrants who saw opportunity in New Orleans and came here to work and rebuild it.

Everyone else ran away. The people who lived here – ran away.

The Mexicans RAN TOWARD New Orleans. And thank God for them.

HondaV65 on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Bullshiite, you just didn’t want to pay the extra cost of a legal crew to do the work, so you went with the illegals and the other guys got the shaft.

But you would be the first to scream “CLOSE THE BORDERS!” if some illegal put you out of work.

This is how Bark got reelected, too many people saying “What’s in it for me” and ignoring the consequences to everyone else.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

The GOP will betray you.

pacificcon on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Abortion is a fight worth having, but we cannot win it right now. If we keep fighting it instead of trying to get this country back on solid economic footing, we’ll end up losing both that battle and the war.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Well said. Romney wasn’t really a SoCon, but he and other GOP candidates still got tarred with the SoCon idiocy of Akin and Mourdock.

The last two so-cons that ran- Reagan and Bush JR. won.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

But the electorate has changed. You may have also noticed that, after winning, Reagan and W didn’t actually do anything about abortion. They were just pandering to the SoCons, just lip service.

Banning abortion is a lost cause. If you really want to do something meaningful about saving the unborn, volunteer at an adoption center or another diversion program. Railing about Roe v. Wade is a futile waste of time.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

We tried it your way. We supported the GOP Elite “Moderate”.
It didn’t work.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I’m not sure what you mean by “support”…and who was this great and wonderful “conservative Christian” that would’ve given us a victory???

lovingmyUSA on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Significantly worse. This is an apples and oranges comparison. The pair of tongs are intentional. The others are generally are not.

chemman on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Yeah, bullets in the forehead are absolutely unintentional. So I suggest we outlaw abortions and bullets? Okay with you?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM

wait till victim group black is oppressed by victim group Hispanic. the fireworks should be spectac.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

But the electorate has changed. You may have also noticed that, after winning, Reagan and W didn’t actually do anything about abortion. They were just pandering to the SoCons, just lip service.

Banning abortion is a lost cause. If you really want to do something meaningful about saving the unborn, volunteer at an adoption center or another diversion program. Railing about Roe v. Wade is a futile waste of time.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Who said to rail against Roe v. Wade. What I said is that we shouldn’t cede the issues to Democrats. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO OUT LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ON SOCIAL ISSUES. If your goal is to get the ‘young women” who focus on abortion- they are NEVER going to vote Repub-NEVER. If we move left, the Dems will move even more left. And the only thing you will do is lose your base and give the electorate less of the choice which most people feel like right now. I don’t know how many times I heard the lesser of two evils and I am not voting because of it.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Republicans response has been to twiddle their thumbs and let it happen while saying idiotic things like “we love legal immigration.” And now the Democrats want even more voters to bury the Republicans, and the Republicans are just going to cave. Great.

milcus on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

I posted without reading yours, but yes, spot on. Prior to the 1965 Act, we only allowed 250,000 a year based on certain historic demographics. But good old Teddy knew that throwing open legal immigration would guarantee more Dem voters. These are not the immigrants of Lexington and Concord, or the Irish potato famine or Ellis Island. They don’t assimilate and bring their cultures with them. The Reps are standing by watching their own proverbial graves being dug by hajib wearing Muslims who came here legally.

TxAnn56 on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

But the electorate has changed. You may have also noticed that, after winning, Reagan and W didn’t actually do anything about abortion. They were just pandering to the SoCons, just lip service.

Banning abortion is a lost cause. If you really want to do something meaningful about saving the unborn, volunteer at an adoption center or another diversion program. Railing about Roe v. Wade is a futile waste of time.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Oh and by the way, YOU got what you wanted this time, how do you know the next fiscal conservative won’t get tarred again with social issues mmmm?

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

We can’t compete with Santa Claus or his PR department. Even embracing la amnestia won’t save us. We need to kill the fat guy and his PR machine. No, Santa, not Chris Christie.

Those of us who are planning Christmas shopping? Cut your budget in half, or only give certificates that say you gave to xyz private or international charity in your friend’s/relative’s name. Make this a bleak Christmas for retailers. Encourage piracy over purchase for movies, TV, music, and software (Wanna kill liberal media? Make them have an even bigger piracy problem than a we’re-not-adding-enough-republican-bashing-to-the-morning-farm-report problem).

Let the collapse happen. Encourage it wherever you can. When the government cheese factory has no more milk, how will the helpless hordes eat? When the MPAA and RIAA get their lawsuits dismissed in Texas courts, they will scream to 0bama. What will he do?

Sekhmet on November 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

You mean like God and Israel had to go off of the Democrat’s platform?

And that sounds a lot like catholics aren’t really *paying* for abortion and contraception the Insurance companies that they are paying are *paying* for the abortions and contraception. What are you offering religous republicans in exchange for their souls?

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Israel is our military ally. Our cooperation with Israel has actual merit – I mean, outside the spiritual domain. As for God, I’m sure He will cope without Republicans invoking His name in vain.

However, forcing Catholics to pay for abortions and contraception is an abomination but that’s a big-government issue, not a religious one. A decree forcing all Americans to pay 1% of their income personally to Obama would have exactly the same level of constitutionality. He just does that because, you know, he won – and we here are kinda trying to figure why.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

wait till victim group black is oppressed by victim group Hispanic. the fireworks should be spectac.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

George Zimmerman.

Wait, what?

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

This is how Bark got reelected, too many people saying “What’s in it for me” and ignoring the consequences to everyone else.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

People don’t get that giving illegals amnesty doesn’t translate to a Republican vote. My atty brother who speaks Spanish gets alot of court appointed cases and he said most of the illegals (some legal) have a third grade education and can’t even speak decent spanish. I don’t really think they’re gonna care about capital gains taxes. Like Rush said today, we’re outnumbered and you can’t beat Santa Claus.

By the way, how was the line at Cabellas?

TxAnn56 on November 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Oh and by the way, YOU got what you wanted this time, how do you know the next fiscal conservative won’t get tarred again with social issues mmmm?

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I wasn’t a big Romney fan, but you are right, the next GOP candidate (whether FiCon, SoCon or anything else) will get tarred with the social issues again unless the SoCons can be persuaded to tone down their more extreme positions, like no rape exception.

No reason for the Democrats to change their tactics when they are working so well. And their candidate in 2016 will probably be a woman.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The United States is a social democracy in which the politician offering to expand the welfare state, while attacking the rich, will always win. Its a nation divided in which the takers are the political majority.

As for the GOP “reaching out” to this group or that group. “Reaching out” is just another word for pander and you will never out-pander the Democrats. The Democrats have created a welfare state and you can blame the beltway GOP for doing nothing to stop it. Because they have no stones. The same beltway GOPers are still in charge in Washington. They will do nothing again.

Republicans should focus all attention on state races from now on and restore the states as a check against the federal government. The federal government is lost now.

On to how to persuade “women” and “hispanics” to vote GOP. What is clear is that “women” think and believe that the GOP will take away birth control or restrict abortion. “Hispanics” apparently don’t like the idea of any kind of border control. Therefore, in order to follow the “wisdom” of the beltway eggheads and strategists, the GOP must adopt Democratic positions on these issues which means to pander and again you will never out pander the Democrats.

The GOP needs to get serious about going into places hit hard by the welfare state — the Camdens and other big cities — and talking the hard truth to minority families. The GOP hasn’t done this because they are afraid of being called “racist” but they are being called racist anyway so whats to lose? Tell the truth on how Democrats have made minorities reliant on government in exchange for their votes.

The “demographics” have changed but there is little to do about it other than pander. The only option is to go out there and tell the truth and not be afraid of what you will be called. The “demographic shift” is one of more and more people being reliant on the government and therefore the democratic party. Whether these people are women, hispanics, or whatever doesn’t matter and the GOP should explain to ALL AMERICANS what works and what does not work. At the same time they need to be hammering the Democrats, again, by simply telling the truth.

Also, its time to go Alinsky on the media and media personalities. There is no bigger culprit than the media in this “demographic shift.” People out there honestly believe that Bush and the free market crashed the economy and honestly believe that Obama is fixing it. This is the result of the media’s bias to average Americans. Its time to fight fire with fire with the media because they are just an arm of the Democratic party.

That is all.

: )

joey24007 on November 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Time for the minorities to pay more taxes, let’s jump over the fiscal cliff and raise taxes on everyone.

Tater Salad on November 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I wasn’t a big Romney fan, but you are right, the next GOP candidate (whether FiCon, SoCon or anything else) will get tarred with the social issues again unless the SoCons can be persuaded to tone down their more extreme positions, like no rape exception.

No reason for the Democrats to change their tactics when they are working so well. And their candidate in 2016 will probably be a woman.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Who didn’t tone down their positions? Two candidates got asked a gotcha question and answered it dumbly. The media NEVER asks those gotcha questions about pro-choice candidate. Repubs don’t need to change their positions; they just need to change how they deal with the media.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Also, its time to go Alinsky on the media and media personalities. There is no bigger culprit than the media in this “demographic shift.” People out there honestly believe that Bush and the free market crashed the economy and honestly believe that Obama is fixing it. This is the result of the media’s bias to average Americans. Its time to fight fire with fire with the media because they are just an arm of the Democratic party.

That is all.

Exactly Repubs are still feeling the “Bush did it syndrome”..

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Who didn’t tone down their positions? Two candidates got asked a gotcha question and answered it dumbly. The media NEVER asks those gotcha questions about pro-choice candidate. Repubs don’t need to change their positions; they just need to change how they deal with the media.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

this.

Mourdouck’s belief is that a child should not be aborted under any circumstances. This is a strong pro-life belief. He may have said it in a way that easily confuses people. If people don’t understand what he says and are dumb enough to believe Democrat spin then I don’t know how you get them to vote GOP.

Some people are willingly dumb.

joey24007 on November 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM

lovingmyUSA on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I did not say that there was one. However, was it ultimately wise to nominate the man who used to brag on Romneycare, the godfather of Obamacare?

Romney is a fine gentleman, and would have made a good presdent, but, he is not a Conservative. Although, he hadd been campaigning that way.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Exactly Repubs are still feeling the “Bush did it syndrome”..

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

thats because Republicans in charge now were in charge then and are trying to distance themselves instead of explaining reality.

nothing will change unless the top changes.

joey24007 on November 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

No reason for the Democrats to change their tactics when they are working so well. And their candidate in 2016 will probably be a woman.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Outside of Shrillary and Fauxahontas, Democrats have no prominent women to nominate. The former barfed all over herself as Sec of State, and the latter is a wee too extreme even for today’s USA. If Democrats can win with either, they can as well nominate a ham sandwich.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I did not say that there was one. However, was it ultimately wise to nominate the man who used to brag on Romneycare, the godfather of Obamacare?

Romney is a fine gentleman, and would have made a good presdent, but, he is not a Conservative. Although, he hadd been campaigning that way.

kingsjester on November 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Romney not a perfect candidate BUT BUT name somebody in the GOP primary that was better than him.

Pawlenty? Perry? Newt? Santorum?

joey24007 on November 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM

People out there honestly believe that Bush and the free market crashed the economy.

joey24007 on November 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Doesn’t help that there is some truth to that. Sure, Fannie, Freddie, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the CRA had a lot to do with it, but it all happened on Bush’s watch. W was more than a little bit complicit too, he never tired of bragging about record high homeownership rates. Never mind that it was the result of liar loans to people who could never afford them. Bush never made any kind of serious effort to stop the madness before it all blew up. And all the big bailouts? Yeah, Bush owns those too.

W damaged the GOP brand in ways that will take generations to repair, if ever.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

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