Todd: GOP will run toward immigration reform next year

posted at 12:41 pm on November 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I think Chuck Todd has this right, and not just because of last night’s poor showing for Republicans among Hispanics.  In looking at the daunting issues facing the lame-duck 112th Congress and the incoming 113th, comprehensive immigration reform might be a comparative slam-dunk:

 

After Tuesday night’s re-election victory for President Barack Obama, MSNBC’s Chuck Todd predicted that one of the president’s agenda items — one promise he never managed to fulfill in his first term — would breeze into law. ”Immigration reform,” he said, will get “80 to 90 votes in the Senate.” Since the election night results showed Republicans unable to attract Latino voters, he said, “Republicans will run, not walk, in trying to support that now.”

The question isn’t whether Republicans will rush to back some version of comprehensive immigration reform.  There have always been enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass a reform plan.  A Republican President came close to passing a version of it in 2007 but got demagogued by Democrats and halted by conservatives in the Senate who thought it gave too much away.  Had Obama chosen to propose immigration reform in 2009, ahead of ObamaCare and particularly if he had allowed Republicans more of a bipartisan role in shaping a stimulus package both sides wanted in one form or another, Obama could easily have passed immigration on his terms three years ago.

Now, immigration reform looks like low-hanging fruit compared to the crises that face our political class now.  The lame-duck Congress has to undo sequestration and deal with Taxmageddon.  The next Congress has to figure out how to deal with massive deficits and unfunded entitlement liabilities that will crush the American economy within a decade without serious reform.  On those issues, there is substantial philosophical and ideological hostility.  In comparison, there are only a few issues keeping immigration reform from being passed, nearly none of which are ideological, and most of which are either technical or matters of prioritization.

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides.  It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.

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Maybe but it won’t happen if the economy doesn’t improve first.

txmomof6 on November 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

So, the GOP will buy voters just like Obama does.

Harlots, from the left to the right.

The land deserves utter destruction.

Free people always deserve their ‘leaders’.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

They have taxes and a cliff to deal with

Let’s not get carried away Ed

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Maybe but it won’t happen if the economy doesn’t improve first.

txmomof6 on November 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Full depression ahead. Yesterday pushed it over the cliff.

Look at the lower interest rates, DOW today. It’ll be wilderness, like Japan.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

…and the GOP will be rewarded for their pandering with an even bigger permanent Democratic majority.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Barack Obama is in the process of creating Mexico II. I’m really not sure the US will be an attractive place to try and follow your dream and raise a family.

Free stuff will run out soon.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides. It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.

I think it was a given that immigration reform was going to be taken up by the next Congress. The question is just how much amnesty and freebies do the criminals already in this nation get away with and who is going to pay for it.

That being said with the economy tanked because of a second Obama term, how do you convice the few Americans still working that it is a perfectly fine idea to reward those who decided they were above American law. It is not going to be as easy a con job as it would be with an economic boom. And before it is even broached, the fiscal cliff has to be addressed and I don’t think the House GOP is all that much in the mood for raising taxes.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

bipartisan or not that will end poorly for the GOP, they’ll get no credit with Hispanics but their base will hold it against them. And of course there will be NO border enforcement going forward. so they’ll keep coming.

bannor on November 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Todd: GOP will run toward immigration reform next year

And ensure a permanent Democratic majority for generations to come.

Yeah. Real smart politics.

Norwegian on November 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Greate news! We can then have more welfare voters to vote for Obama’s 3rd term.

mojojojo on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Reform it, how?

We already allow more legal immigration every year, than the rest of the world combined, and have for four decades. This despite a real unemployment rate 20%+.

If we give amnesty to all the illegals, Texas and other states will turn blue overnight, and that’s the end of the GOP.

So, how is this reform going to work, and why should the GOP jump on board a plan that will destroy their party?

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

From Dem Light to Dem Mark II, except for abortions and other social bullshit. I’m already visualizing the words I’ll scribble on the next GOP envelope before sending it back. They aren’t numbers, pendejos.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Yes, the spineless, gutless, clueless GOP will do exactly that.

And it will net them a total of ZERO votes from the illegal aliens who get amnesty as a result.

ZERO.

natasha333 on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Pass Rubio’s bill and no more.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

LOL

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Same as deferred action, and doesn’t create add 20 million new votes to Dems.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

They still won’t vote republican.

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Rubio and Perry are right. They’ve always been right. You will have to swallow and swallow hard, Boss (Malkin).

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides. It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.

No chance. A DREAM Act may pass, but even if a comprehensive bill passes the Senate, it will die in the House.

Jon0815 on November 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The post’s headline was a tease. The only Todd whose opinion I want on the future of the GOP is the former First Dude of Alaska.

joe_doufu on November 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Why? Obama will get credit for it, the GOP will still be full of racists, and Hispanics will continue to look toward the Dems for free “stuff”.

Ugh.

changer1701 on November 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

They still won’t vote republican.

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Seriously.

What, exactly, would be the point? Even if they were inclined to vote Republican, Obama will get the credit.

And aside from that, when does shifting to your opponent’s strong flank ever work? You can’t outspend or outpander an incumbent Democrat any more than you can out-hawk an incumbent Republican.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Pass Rubio’s bill and no more.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Umm … Obama will pass whatever he wants. He goes around Congress. Remember, Obama hates America, white America specifically.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

That’s just great/ Anyone know who I can call to get a refund on the thousands of dollars I spent to come here the legal way? How do I get compensated for the hundreds of hours I spent jumping through hoops to become a legal citizen?

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Yes, the spineless, gutless, clueless GOP will do exactly that.

And it will net them a total of ZERO votes from the illegal aliens who get amnesty as a result.

ZERO.

natasha333 on November 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I’m afraid you’re right. Ace has a good write up on lessons learned. Point 6

6. Going to Perry’s Right on Immigration. When Perry threatened to upset Romney’s applecart, Romney shook the etch-a-sketch, and committed himself to a fairly strong-form anti-accomodation policy on illegal immigrants.

“Self deportation” was the plan for the nation’s illegals.

Now, understand this: I’m not against that at all. I do not want more illegal immigrants coming here and becoming citizens, not because I’m anti-brown, but because I’m anti-red. Illegal immigrants from socialist countries tend to be poor and desiring of socialist cures for their relative poverty. The other thing they seem to want is more immigrants from poor socialist Latin America countries coming here to be citizens.

This creates an impossible situation: To attract them as voters, we have to agree to permit widescale immigration from Latin America into the country. And when they become citizens, they will vote against us, because they want socialism and we despise it. The more we chase them, the further we fall behind from our actual goal of restoring a limited-government capitalist-oriented Constitutional Republic.

I don’t know what can be done about this. This strikes me as the most impossible hurdle for us, and I don’t mean in this election; I mean in every election to come, and each four years the problem becomes worse for us.

One tactical error Romney made, however, was committing himself so strongly to a position without any wiggle room.

In fact, Mark Krikorian, a fairly hardline guy on illegal immigration, thought that Romney could propose a “mini-DREAM act” with E-Verify and other immigration-enforcement measures which would “make sense.”

But Romney never really mentioned that. He never really offered any sort of fudge or sop to Hispanics on the issue.

Hispanics made up 10% of the electorate, according to exit polls (which maybe be skewed, but it’s a rough estimate). They voted against Romney 70-30; they voted against McCain 60-40. 10% of 10% is of course 1%, so it is possible that if Romney had felt more room to make a pitch for some kind of compromise, he would have added 1% to his vote tally. Which just might have won things for him.

Now, that would have brought him problems– he might have lost some white voters over this.

But he also did not then punish Obama with white voters for talking up amnesty.

In effect, Romney was in a No Man’s Land, stuck with a position that Hispanics didn’t like, but also not being willing to hit Obama on his position and thus turn white voters off to him.

He may have flinched from making the sort of tough, but fair, attack on Obama needed to win, as Obama’s opponents tend to do.

After all, the media will call you racist.

WisRich on November 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

The lame-duck Congress has to undo sequestration and deal with Taxmageddon

No it does not the media will say that was a GOP lie and was not important to deal with even if the tax bill just go up it will not be reported that it has happened.

A real complete Executive order of Dream act will be come law of the land and that is as far to immigration reform will go. You might as well erase the south boarder and welcome a few million immigrants with no idea who they are and what they bring and that will be the new normal for 60 years.

tjexcite on November 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

In other words, the GOP should be more like the Democrats. No Thanks!

Fact is GOP is pathetic. Cannot beat a fellow with $4./gas, 14.6% true unemployment & economy stuck in a recession? WTH? Beam me up Scotty, there is NO intelligent life here!!!

purgatory on November 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM

And that will be the end of the GOP. All of the illegal aliens will get registered to vote, and guaranteed, they will not credit the GOP for their citizenship. They will vote for Democrats in even higher numbers than Hispanics right now do.

Progressive Heretic on November 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Ed at this point is just kinda panicking. Like a few other people above have posted, immigration reform and suddenly ‘embracing’ the minority community isn’t going to get us squat from them. It didn’t help Republicans when Reagan went on with full-on amnesty, and it won’t end up helping us now. The only people it’d help is the Democrats by giving them an even larger voting bloc to work with reliably.

But I think Ed’s enthusiasm for some groveling at the feet of minorities is a bit of a hasty reaction to begin with. What I’m wondering is why no one is talking about or trying to analyze what’s ending up as probably the biggest mystery of the 2012 election: where in God’s name did over 10,000,000 voters go? Has anyone even tried to analyze what the heck has caused such a precipitous drop in the voting totals from 2008, or are we just gonna be content with buying the Democratic talking points about ‘demography is destiny’ without even bothering to read into what’s actually going on with these vote totals?

WealthofNations on November 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM

In 10 years the GOP will be denying it ever resisted immigration reform and marriage equality, or denied climate change. Thank the Intelligent Designer for the Internet!

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides.

You will see the same firestorm again, if the proposals are looked upon as another “give away”.

1986 – “There will be no more amnesty. We will secure our borders!”

Really?

GarandFan on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

So that’s it then? Pander to the Open Borders crowd with Amnesty?

While we are at it why not just embrace abortion and start passing out free contraceptives to single women to attract them to the GOP???

F— it while we are at it let’s forgive all student loans to get more of the “youth vote”

This is the way the GOP thinks it will win going forward? If indeed it is.. then might as well merge the GOP with the Democrat party and be done with it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Immigration “reform”.

Amnesty and open borders.

A/K/A The REDSTATE TEXAS Elimination act.

Hey, all you Texans that were bragging about your state. The DOTUS has a post-election gift for you.

And once Texas goes blue the gop will finally be dead as a national party.

And still you people think that the gop is a viable opposition party?

Do you not see what is happening? Do you not see the shrinking electoral map? Did you read any of the exit poll data?

America is TEATERRIFIC now…….latch on old schoolers. Stay warm and fed all nuzzled up against the Federal sow.

And while you’re there, throw in a little praise of our American God and Savior Barack the Benefit giver.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Why even have a border?

the_nile on November 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

If the GOP caves and submits to immigration reform, amnesty, we won’t gain a single Hispanic vote, it will just empower millions of new socialist / Dem voters, and we as a party, or nation as we used to know it, is done. So, that’s not the answer!

anotherJoe on November 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Amnesty is national suicide, plain and simple.

Rebar on November 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Just tell them can apply for citizenship like any other foreigner.

And that all correspondence goes to their home address… outside the US.

They can start at the back of the line.

We already have a President willing to break contracts. We do not need worse from our own Congress of ignoring laws that have been in place for decades. America is the assurance of the legal process, and that is teetering on the brink of disaster.

If our word is not our bond, then we are screwed as a Nation.

ajacksonian on November 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM

If they want to create a path to citizenship it needs to be fair to those who have followed the rules. Any illegal aliens allowed to stay must apply for a green card and get in line behind those now waiting for them. No citizenship until 5 years after receiving their green card just like those everyone else. If that means they have to wait in line until the 5th of Never TFB.

agmartin on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Here comes amnesty

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Thank the Intelligent Designer for the Internet!

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

But dont post youtube videos that slander the pedophile muhammed.

Cant have that old “freedom of expression” any more.

the_nile on November 7, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Who was that wise poster who said “The GOP will betray you.” ?

Y’all turned that into a parody.

Fools.

LegendHasIt on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Leave it to the “stupid party” to learn exactly the wrong lessons from this election. We’re not going to win by pandering to Latinos.

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

NO IMMIGRATION REFORM WITHOUT DEMOCRATS MAKING GOOD ON THEIR 1984 RENEGED PROMISE TO RONALD REAGAN FOR A WALL!

Glenn Jericho on November 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Someone finally gets it – too late, I guess.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

In 10 years the GOP will be denying it ever resisted immigration reform and marriage equality, or denied climate change. Thank the Intelligent Designer for the Internet!

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Lulz, there are people who still believe in AGW? I thought you guys disappeared with the Occupy Wall Street groupies on one of Obama’s magic unicorn spaceships powered by skittle juice.

And stop saying “immigration reform.” Say “open borders.” As an “alpha male,” at least be honest with what your actual policy desires are.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Do it, and make yourself the New Whigs.

The GOP pulls this and they won’t get another dime nor another vote from me, ever, for anyone. I’ll write in the names of my favorite dogs on every ballot and drop that sheet into the counting-machine with a smile.

Why should I support any members of a government that fails to do it’s most basic duty, that of protecting my family from foreign threats.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

At this point, especially after Akin and Mourdock’s spectacular squandering of easily winnable seats, I’m inclined to agree.

WealthofNations on November 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Would anyone object if I suggested that we should push for Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House and Mark Rubio for Minority Leader?

The status-quo won’t work going forward.

newtopia on November 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

Great, drop morality. Then you’re no different from the Dems.

Do you really think the GOP can afford to lose Social Conservatives? You’ll start losing some of those solid southern states.

gumbyandpokey on November 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM

open borders and free healthcare. what could go wrong?

lets face it. we are finished.

the gope sold us down the river.

renalin on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

In 10 years the GOP will be denying it ever resisted immigration reform and marriage equality, or denied climate change. Thank the Intelligent Designer for the Internet!

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

They always have the “Benghazi Defense”; blame it on a movie and imprison its producer, then stonewall like crazy.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Was listening to Pat Buchannan on the John Gibson show, who was making lots of sense.

Basically said we’re boxed in: we need more Hispanic votes, but if we grant amnesty to try and bring them into our camp, they will still vote for Democrats for social spending, despite the fact they are culturally conservative. In the meantime, we are losing votes to them in increasingly heavy (as we saw last night, fatal) numbers.

I’m not even sure Rubio would help break through that mentality. We’re in a no-win situation.

The Count on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

er…Marco Rubio.

newtopia on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

It won’t work. Too many anti-Hispanic voices.

GOP is done. I’ll save about 1200$ a year on local and national donations. But I will probably end up paying a lot more in taxes.

I’m pissed. There’s no where to turn. WTF?

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

A great way to turn the Party of the South and Plains to the Party of Texas (or will that be Tejas?).

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

The CHRISTIe will betray you.

SparkPlug on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Well, we have not had a budget in three years, why not? I doubt we will ever have a budget again. With the amount of money we are spending and borrowing, nobody wants to go on record supporting it, just like they won’t go on record stopping it.

I’m going to stock up while money is still worth something.

Mord on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Someone finally gets it – too late, I guess.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Well, I detest abortion, so I was okay with making one final push in 2012 at having a broad enough coalition while still pushing some social issues, but clearly we just can’t win that way. Obama lost 10 million votes from 2008 and we still couldn’t beat him; our base simply isn’t big enough if we scare away so many demographics by pushing social issues.

I never cared much about gay marriage anyway, and it’s time to admit the GOP has lost that battle. We’re also going to eventually lose the marijuana battle, and the “war on drugs” is a losing proposition anyway, both fiscally and electorally.

The one that hurts me is abortion. I hate abortion. It’s the cessation of an innocent, unique human life. But you can’t fight for social issues while standing in the rubble of what used to be a superpower. We can only save this country from the fiscal cliff if we reverse certain trends, and to do that we need to grad the reigns of power, and grabbing those reigns means attracting voters who are pro-choice. We have to admit that for the moment, we’ve lost the battle on abortion. I think it’s a battle we can still win in the future, but it has to be put on the backburner. I also think we can eventually win the immigration battle; I think enough people in this country still believe in the rule of law, but again, that’s a battle to fight in the future.

No more social issues. Pure fiscal conservatism for the midterms and 2016. We can still win this country back to fiscal sanity, we can beat back the tide of relentless government interventionism and the nanny state, but it’s going to take certain sacrifices, and that means dropping pet issues, even if they effect us deeply.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Great, drop morality. Then you’re no different from the Dems.

Do you really think the GOP can afford to lose Social Conservatives? You’ll start losing some of those solid southern states.

gumbyandpokey on November 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Democrats won by exhibiting no morality.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Christie will have to win re-election next year…I don’t see that happening now, at least not as a Republican.

newtopia on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

I’m pissed. There’s no where to turn. WTF?

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

move to a red state.

renalin on November 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Truth: becoming more liberal wont help then GOP. Look at California. People vote in the same crap. Once we go down the all-in liberal road, there is NO going back.

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Free people always deserve their ‘leaders’.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Shad, in case you missed it, we are not free any more. We are now slaves of the state.

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

A national election shouldn’t involve social issues to begin with but it’s the left that introduced social issues into the fray.

Social issues should be left, as the name implies, to society … but government has now been dictating how society should govern itself for several decades now. The democrats talk about nothing lese yet we’re supposed to keep quiet?

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

The government is spending 25% of GDP. No matter what level the tax rate has been, they have never collected more than 20%. Higher taxes will just result in less revenue over time.

Mord on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

what are you reprobates going to do once you’ve killed the golden goose?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

what are you reprobates going to do once you’ve killed the golden goose?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Riot and demonstrate in the streets, of course. Please see: Europe.

visions on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

No more social issues. Pure fiscal conservatism for the midterms and 2016. We can still win this country back to fiscal sanity, we can beat back the tide of relentless government interventionism and the nanny state, but it’s going to take certain sacrifices, and that means dropping pet issues, even if they effect us deeply.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

LOL– I love this meme.. All of said this was going to happen. Socons were going to get blamed if Mitt lost. YOU RAN the most unsocial conservative candidate you could get. YOU RAN th most PURE fiscal conservative candidate you could get- and we still lost. The last two so-cons that ran- Reagan and Bush JR. won.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

This is a bad, bad idea for Republicans. If they do this, Democrats will get the credit, like the Democrats got with the Civil Rights Act in 1965. Just like it was the Republicans that were instrumental in passing the Civil Rights Act, and LBJ got the credit, if Republicans are instrumental in passing immigration reform, Obama will get the credit.

If Republicans do this, they will never recover the Hispanic vote, and will have to concede a lot of ground on the Asian vote.

So, they should work with Obama on this, but set it up where nothing happens, and they can say Obama did not want to make it happen, and they will. That should help with hispanics in 2014, where the Senate races are very favorable to Republicans (with competent candidates, of course), and then in 2016, when Rubio or Suzanna Martinez should be the nominee.

milcus on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Immigration Reform ?

After last night- we will move to an open border country. LBJ saw the power grab of this “progressive” idea 50 yrs ago. Its finally arrived.

Barky can do all of this, without congressional approval- granted he may wait until after the mid-terms, this time, -but it is coming. And will NEVER be able to be reversed.

I read- could never watch- in his speech last night he said “great things are coming

Yes Ed, he doesn’t need a mandate, where we’re going.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

The CHRISTIe will betray you.

SparkPlug on November 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

That two-faced dope sealed his own political fate but isn’t smart enough to know it. He got his little pat on the head and was then discarded.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Barack Obama is in the process of creating Mexico II. I’m really not sure the US will be an attractive place to try and follow your dream and raise a family.

Free stuff will run out soon.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Yep. And many of the illegals do come here to find jobs. What jobs? That fact alone may stem some of the border crashing.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Ed, what about Puerto Rico Statehood? What’s the process for that? Is it required to be taken up or is it discretionary? If the latter, what’s the likelihood?

schmitty on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Great, drop morality. Then you’re no different from the Dems.

Do you really think the GOP can afford to lose Social Conservatives? You’ll start losing some of those solid southern states.

gumbyandpokey on November 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM

No, we’re quite a bit different from the Dems. You think the only thing separating us is “family values”? Maybe that was true in JFK’s time, but things have changed. Democrats refuse to govern sanely. They won’t pass a budget, they won’t acknowledge the reality of the fiscal cliff, or the avalanche of unfunded mandates that will crush us.

And seriously, who are we going to lose them to? The Democrats?! Hah! Yeah, SoCons are going to just flock to the party of Sandra Fluke and government-funded birth control, the party of Lena Dunham, the party of “once you go black, you never go back!”

We already lost a lot of SoCons who either refused to vote for Romney or voted third party. We can easily make up those numbers by attracting moderate Democrats who want to vote for fiscal sanity, but are too caught up in the caricature of the bible-thumping social conservative to ever pull the level for the GOP.

If you think pushing fiscal issues and dropping social issues is going to turn the deep south blue, you’re even dumber than I thought you were.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Lulz, there are people who still believe in AGW? I thought you guys disappeared with the Occupy Wall Street groupies on one of Obama’s magic unicorn spaceships powered by skittle juice.

And stop saying “immigration reform.” Say “open borders.” As an “alpha male,” at least be honest with what your actual policy desires are.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The blatant denial of FiveThirtyEight and other reputable predictors of the election show the profound mistrust of data around here, so your disbelief in climate change does not surprise me.
I do not support open borders. I don’t know anyone who does (although I suspect you’d be more likely to find proponents among the Libertarians than the Democrats).

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The GOP pulls this and they won’t get another dime nor another vote from me, ever, for anyone. I’ll write in the names of my favorite dogs on every ballot and drop that sheet into the counting-machine with a smile.

Why should I support any members of a government that fails to do it’s most basic duty, that of protecting my family from foreign threats.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Effin’ Aaaay, Bubba.

SailorMark on November 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

what are you reprobates going to do once you’ve killed the golden goose?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Make…uh…make new ones just like we make money.

You wingers are funny, bigoted but funny.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Social issues should be left, as the name implies, to society … but government has now been dictating how society should govern itself for several decades now. The democrats talk about nothing lese yet we’re supposed to keep quiet?

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Yeah we are supposed to shut up and let the Democrats fearmonger. Romney was never going to ban abortion, but because we ceded social issues, ignorant voters were scared of that.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

And if he doesn’t pass immigration reform, will it be another
“Obamateurism of the Day”?

wytshus on November 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

The ticket to winning is to give the Dems. 20 million more gubmint dependents and voters. Smart. Real smart. The more of the dependents we can get off the teat, the better we will be as a party and country.

they lie on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

So Rs think that illegals and their extended families
( almost all of whom are permanent welfare recipients and mostly illiterate too) will become patriotic Americans once they get US citizenship ?
Do we have any precedent for that ? Did that happen after 1986 ?
So WHY will it happen this time ?

burrata on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

what are you reprobates going to do once you’ve killed the golden goose?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

.
The B Hussein Ocommie government has been waiting for the goose to arrive.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Being sane, I cannot deny that abortion is murder – but being a very non-Christian person, I am not morally averse to murder. Moreover, I see abortion and suicide as natural-selection tools, which are doubly necessary in absence of natural enemies and scarcity of wars. As for gay marriage, I truly couldn’t care less. If not for the Sixteenth Amendment and arcane statute code the government wouldn’t even be involved in the issue. So, if the country is getting closer to Greece because of these two issues (and on guns, a much more important issue as I see it, we still do enjoy a national consensus), I saw fock them all, and let troglocons join the Ancient Egyptians and the dodo bird in the dustbin of history.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

If you think pushing fiscal issues and dropping social issues is going to turn the deep south blue, you’re even dumber than I thought you were.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

It can push enough of the rural voters to not vote, and then places like Atlanta and Nashville which are Democratic strongholds can control the vote.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

LOL– I love this meme.. All of said this was going to happen. Socons were going to get blamed if Mitt lost. YOU RAN the most unsocial conservative candidate you could get. YOU RAN th most PURE fiscal conservative candidate you could get- and we still lost. The last two so-cons that ran- Reagan and Bush JR. won.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

The electorate has changed.

Keep pushing religion, gay marriage, and abortion, and we’re going to keep hemorrhaging votes. It’s not the figurehead that matters (Romney), it’s the platform. Romney was extremely moderate, yet because of the general GOP platform, Democrats still managed to win with their incessant scaremongering about abortion, birth control and so forth.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Maybe i’m naive, But my gut tells me that if the GOP votes for naked amnesty a lot of conservatives (me included) are ready for a new party

i really don’t get the big freak out from last night, does anybody realize that 14 million voters were missing in action last night compared to 2008?

Does anybody realize that Obama got 10 million votes less?

Why did that happen? who didn’t show up last night?

My hunch is that the religious community didn’t turn out last night as well as in 2004 because the party refuses to talk about social issues, And as much as i agree that Akin was bad news and Romney had to denounce him, for the Religious community it was too much of a beating that the GOP has ignored them

Just look at every rural area in swing states (especially VA) Romney actually did pretty well in the big cities, his problem was not running up any margins in the rural areas where Bush got huge numbers

OrthodoxJew on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

so your disbelief in climate change does not surprise me.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Oh dear Lord … a moron.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Gosh, the more I read of you, the more I need the “Like” button here. :)

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

The electorate has changed.

Keep pushing religion, gay marriage, and abortion, and we’re going to keep hemorrhaging votes. It’s not the figurehead that matters (Romney), it’s the platform. Romney was extremely moderate, yet because of the general GOP platform, Democrats still managed to win with their incessant scaremongering about abortion, birth control and so forth.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

That is my point- obtuseness. NO ONE PUSHED these things in 2012 or 2008 and we LOST.. while the Democrats pushed it, the GOP stayed silent because we were scared. BUSH was not silent and yet he won. UGH! And no one is pushing religion you idiot, as I am not even religious.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You want to win in 2016? Stop pushing social issues. Period. Run entirely on fiscal conservatism. Drop gay marriage. Drop abortion. You’ll attract more women and young voters with a purely fiscal message, and it’ll be enough to earn at least a narrow victory.

We’ll never get a mandate. To get that broad of a coalition would mean dropping any pretense of actually standing for fiscal sanity, because it means promising every minority group their own special brand of government pork.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM

The only conservative bones in McCain’s body was fiscal. The common bond between Romney and Ryan was fiscal conservatism. IT FAILED!

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Keep pushing religion, gay marriage, and abortion, and we’re going to keep hemorrhaging votes. It’s not the figurehead that matters (Romney), it’s the platform. Romney was extremely moderate, yet because of the general GOP platform, Democrats still managed to win with their incessant scaremongering about abortion, birth control and so forth.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

The left is pushing all that. What are we supposed to do … agree with them? That’s all they talked about … not to mention booing God that their convention.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

95% of blacks want the federal government to give them jobs.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

what are you reprobates going to do once you’ve killed the golden goose?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Obama has a secret stash , remember ?

burrata on November 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Christie will have to win re-election next year…I don’t see that happening now, at least not as a Republican.

newtopia on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

That Christie was out there dealing with the results of the hurricane is what you would expect of a governor. That he would be in a photo-op with the POTUS is also a given. But that gushing adoration of the rat-eared wonder days before the election is an unforgiveable betrayal. Especially since it was just a couple days later that FEMA couldn’t provide water and the plan to distribute gas failed. In short, Obama did none of the stuff Christie was claiming when he switched his endorsement from Romney to Obama.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

newtopia on November 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Yeah, Brilliant!

One is a ‘big government’ guy, little different from the statists, other than he wants a balanced budget.

And the other one IS an amnesty guy.

Quit looking for the Elites to save you.

LegendHasIt on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

The only conservative bones in McCain’s body was fiscal. The common bond between Romney and Ryan was fiscal conservatism. IT FAILED!

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

The only conservative bone in McCain’s body was the one he made Rich Man’s Snooki with, and that was quite a long while ago.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

The only conservative bones in McCain’s body was fiscal. The common bond between Romney and Ryan was fiscal conservatism. IT FAILED!

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

They don’t get that at all. Apparently it failed though because the rest of the GOP. I am done- really done with the GOP. We are turning into Democrats, and I am not even a big raving socon.

We ceded social issues this time. We did whisper one word because we were afraid. This allowed the Democrats to write the narrative and make us into the boogie man. EVEN if we get a frickin pro-choice DEMOCRAT to run- democrats are going to continue this because we are ceding the narrative to them.

melle1228 on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Illegals are never going to be shipped back in large numbers, but there is no political advantage in doing this. We are not going to lose House seats in 2014 unless we do something like. We do not have the WH. The Dems will just take credit for it.

mwbri on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The GOP pulls this and they won’t get another dime nor another vote from me, ever, for anyone. I’ll write in the names of my favorite dogs on every ballot and drop that sheet into the counting-machine with a smile.

Why should I support any members of a government that fails to do it’s most basic duty, that of protecting my family from foreign threats.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Get ready. It’s coming soon.

BoxHead1 on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM

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