The youths dig in for Hopenchange 2.0

posted at 4:01 pm on November 7, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I must admit, I thought that disenchantment with the shoddy results of President Obama’s first term, combined with the diminished spirit of Hopenchange, would mean we’d see some significant shift from the record-breaking decisiveness of the youth vote that was the 2008 election. I would’ve thought that living on their parents’ couches might’ve compelled them to get off the couch for a new candidate, or at least not get off the couch at all, but it looks like small-potatoes and social issues, economic malpractice, and some well-orchestrated pandering really do go a long way with America’s young people, and the strength of the demographic is here to stay. Via Politico:

Obama easily won the youth vote nationally, 67 percent to 30 percent, with young voters proving the decisive difference in Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio, according to an analysis by the Center for Research and Information on Civic Learning and Engagement at Tufts University. Obama won at least 61 percent of the youth vote in four of those states, and if Romney had achieved a 50-50 split, he could have flipped those states to his column, the study said.

About half of all eligible people ages 18 to 29 voted in Tuesday’s election, roughly the same level as 2008, according to Peter Levine, the center’s director. The youth vote’s share of the electorate actually increased slightly from 18 percent to 19 percent. In total, 22 million to 23 million young people voted, according to the analysis.

As I tweeted last night, the reality of young people’s economic situation means that they definitely have a Hopenchange hangover (a lingering youth unemployment rate double the national average, hem hem), whether they realize it or not — but I guess they thought a little hair-of-the-dog would do the trick. Let’s see how the works out for us, guys.

The GOP is going to be doing a lot of reevaluating in the near future, and as we all think about demographic trends and how to widen the tent, we cannot ignore reaching out to and communicating with young voters. President Obama has spent a lot of time on college campuses, making himself personable and talking convincingly about delivering easier student loan and tuition rates; if we had done a little more of that type of outreach on our terms, things might’ve gone very differently.


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I haven’t posted here in years but I read this blog every single day since 2006 and I enjoy it(Dont worry, im not a surprise troll, no trollcot here.) I signed in to put some thoughts down, maybe because of a little depression, maybe shock, maybe just confusion but I felt I had to say something today. For the first time in my life I am truly scared for the country and how it has been changing and what it’s ultimate goal is. I still believe in the strength and innovation and drive of America. I think that even with the looming fiscal cliff and tax hikes and Obamacare and uncertainty people will say enough is enough and take the necessary steps to thrive and people will start businesses. If and when these businesses survive and hopefully thrive it will be in spite of Obama and the democrats ways to grow the economy and not because of them. And when this happens guess who is going to take all the credit…you guessed it the democrats and Obama. And there the cycle starts again, its the natural Economic cycle, although it may not be as powerful as before it will come around and the party that does all it can to hamper business will be looked at the one that saved it and the party who (allegedly) loves business (I say allegedly because Republicans have been spineless and weak and scared the past decade at least) will be made to look weak and then we will be truly lost. I hope im wrong, this is more of a banter than anything. Anyone have any thoughts?

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

President Obama has spent a lot of time on college campuses, making himself personable and talking convincingly about delivering easier student loan and tuition rates; if we had done a little more of that type of outreach on our terms, things might’ve gone very differently.

Yes, if only we’d offered them more stuff, all would be well. Please. this is an American Idol electorate that went with celebrity over competence. I have no use for idiots who value appearances on Letterman than, say, their own prospects for finding a job upon graduation.

changer1701 on November 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Interestingly I think Romney won younger white voters. Sigh… Obamas real legacy: racial division

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Between liberal professors and group think, reaching out to them may be futile.

Best to wait until they grow up and experience a little of hard-knocks life.

Better to raise the voting age to 25.

salem on November 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

We should double down on abortion, gay marriage, and other critically important issues. That will lock the youth vote in.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Its easy to win re-election when your receive no bad press. Name one negative media firestorm that occurred over the last 4 years. Not one.

brewcrew67 on November 7, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

Republicans need to go back to their base – get the hell out of the bedroom, out of marriage, out of religion, out of abortion, out of more-more-more.

You can’t talk about being individual responsibility while obsessing over every little detail that “others” are doing. Stop whining jesus.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I hate my generation. Full of lazy, feckless morons who have their had out.

jawkneemusic on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Hand*

jawkneemusic on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Obama easily won the youth vote nationally, 67 percent to 30 percent

Of course he did. You’re supposed to be stupid and greedy in your youth. Too many of them didn’t grow up to become responsible adults which is why we are stuck with the rat-eared wonder for another four years or whenever the impeachment vote is taken.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I haven’t posted here in years but I read this blog every single day since 2006 and I enjoy it(Dont worry, im not a surprise troll, no trollcot here.) I signed in to put some thoughts down, maybe because of a little depression, maybe shock, maybe just confusion but I felt I had to say something today. For the first time in my life I am truly scared for the country and how it has been changing and what it’s ultimate goal is. I still believe in the strength and innovation and drive of America. I think that even with the looming fiscal cliff and tax hikes and Obamacare and uncertainty people will say enough is enough and take the necessary steps to thrive and people will start businesses. If and when these businesses survive and hopefully thrive it will be in spite of Obama and the democrats ways to grow the economy and not because of them. And when this happens guess who is going to take all the credit…you guessed it the democrats and Obama. And there the cycle starts again, its the natural Economic cycle, although it may not be as powerful as before it will come around and the party that does all it can to hamper business will be looked at the one that saved it and the party who (allegedly) loves business (I say allegedly because Republicans have been spineless and weak and scared the past decade at least) will be made to look weak and then we will be truly lost. I hope im wrong, this is more of a banter than anything. Anyone have any thoughts?

Well the bad news is the GOP has lost the presidency for at least 30-40 years. The path to 270 just isn’t there anymore.

The worse news is obamacare. Stay healthy an exercise and eat right and pray you don’t need major medical changes.

The good news is kinda bad depending on your state; the non-union south and plains states are doing well and well (comparatively); California and Illinois will implode. What happens at that moment of implosion should be an awakening for many

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

#1: quit hating gays. There’s a long list of requirements after that to win over younger voters, but the first one is easy. Opposition to marriage equality is a total loser issue going forward, at the national level and for a growing number of states.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Rush has a good post about what went wrong and what it basically boils down to is that (according to the exit polls) half the country are a bunch of dumba$$es. We’re outnumbered by the dumba$$es.

scalleywag on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. – George Santayana

How’s this for a quick outline for what is most likely to happen in the next few years:

1). The country is weakened – on purpose – by the dear liar’s brand of National Socialism.

1a). The country splits apart over ‘Irreconcilable differences’ – further weakening it.

3). Other nations assert their world leadership – conflict breaks out over this competition: WWIII.

4). A new Dark age settles of over the planet.

Does anyone see a different outcome?

I asked this earlier – could someone please tell where I’m wrong this ‘Progression’?

Chip on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

First, i think we have too many people going to college incorrectly thinking that their salary will be directly proportional to the number of degrees that they have.

Secondly, how does a conservative compete with free or cheaper student loans.

Lastly, Planned Parenthood infests colleges with abortion rights and almost a nasty anti-male stance.

earlgrey133 on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I think that even with the looming fiscal cliff and tax hikes and Obamacare and uncertainty people will say enough is enough and take the necessary steps to thrive and people will start businesses.

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I don’t. Unless there’s a sure fire bet that the business will do well there’s just too much regulation and tax to make the effort worthwhile.

I could be wrong.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM

My daughter and son both said that they voted for Romney due to the economy but both said that they hated his stand on social issues. And that is why most of their peers voted for Obama. Because Gay marriage and contraceptives are the most important things in the world.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM

And the dumba$$es don’t read the papers or watch the news. Can you picture Eva Longoria or Beyonce making it through a news show? Unless it was a news show about a new line of shoes or makeup they’d go into a brain freeze. They’re what make up the bulk of Obama supporters. Oh yea, and the disaster relief expert, Sean Penn.

scalleywag on November 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

To believe they will grow up and change their mind and vote republican? You’re forgetting. These people love other countries more than the USA. Bet 3/4 would prefer living in Europe. They want a European health care system. They want free college. They also want to “be green.” They will always vote liberal.

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

A lot of young people these days are morally bankrupt (thank you, public education), and want to be able to marry their boyfriend/girlfriend/cousin/dog/cat/whatever. Most have had everything handed to them, so they don’t know anything about sacrifice. They only understand “gimme everything I want”. How do you counter that?

Ward Cleaver on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I asked this earlier – could someone please tell where I’m wrong this ‘Progression’?

Chip on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

No, I can’t. Right now the conflict will be between Islam and communism.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

#1: quit hating gays. There’s a long list of requirements after that to win over younger voters, but the first one is easy. Opposition to marriage equality is a total loser issue going forward, at the national level and for a growing number of states.
Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Oh shut up. No one hates gays. You don’t have to hate gays to understand the consequences of changing the definition of marriage. What do we say when polygamists decide that they want their “rights” recognized to?

jawkneemusic on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

The youth were lied to and bought it, twice. What did Stallan call them? Useful Idiots…..

New Patriot on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

The GOP is going to be doing a lot of reevaluating in the near future, and as we all think about demographic trends and how to widen the tent, we cannot ignore reaching out to and communicating with young voters.

That would be nice. But we all know it won’t happen.

Just take a measure of the comments at HotAir since last night. Nobody wants to compromise.

GOP is done. Think I’m wrong? Tell me specifically how last night’s results will be any different if the demographics of our party don’t change.

The demographics of America are changing. The demographics of the GOP are aging and dying off. Maybe there’s a chance when we’re a younger party.

Things are effed for the next 20 years though.

I recommend personal charity and direct-funding of good conservative causes. But there’s not point in ever donating to a national GOP ticket again. You have better odds rolling a hard-8 with D&D dice.

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Thoughtful words. I’m not in full agreement because I truly think that the real agenda of the rat-eared wonder has been to destroy American “arrogance” and make us more like a third-world nation. They are high-fiving themselves in Chicago today over this very point because they know they can truly make us just like Kenya or Indonesia.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

I certainly hope all these youth realize that they will be asked to “pay it forward” in a rather significant way for the rest of their lives.
As I have paid, for my entire working life, for those that went before me, I expect the same effort from them. It is part of the bargin.
I fear that these young ones have no consideration of this obligation. In fact, I do not believe they care.

Jabberwock on November 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

picklesgap & SoCalInfidel –

This is exactly what happens when you have liberal arts majors lounging in Starbucks and in line for the next apple product. Of course, I am talking about AP in the latter case. ;-)

sram on November 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM

It’s difficult to imagine anyone selling himself into slavery–except, of course, for the economically illiterate. I hope their “compassion” still feels good when they are saddled with paying for Social Security and Medicare for people who are long dead.

DrMagnolias on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

A lot of young people these days are morally bankrupt (thank you, public education

Ward Cleaver on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

That’s a feature not a bug. Morally bankrupting children make them de facto wards of the state and the teacher’s unions have been working very hard to deliver these votes to the Demonrat party.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

#1: quit hating gays. There’s a long list of requirements after that to win over younger voters, but the first one is easy. Opposition to marriage equality is a total loser issue going forward, at the national level and for a growing number of states.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I’ll keep hating gays if you don’t mind, as I find the idea of inserting one’s joystick up a male rectum fairly disgusting. On the other hand, since them getting a marriage certificate changes precious little in my own family life, I don’t mind them being married – as long as ACLU hyenas don’t force priests to perform the ceremony.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Obama: Vote for me, Free College.

Youth: Okay.

WIN.

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

No one hates gays.

You can tell when Republicans are self-conscious about being called bigots. I’m not a bigot so I never have this problem. But you’ll notice that he claims NO ONE hates gays in his defense of conservatives.

Obviously, some people do. That’s life. The need to rule out ALL conservatives as bigots actually suggests that you’re worried about the large number in the party.

Don’t play in to their hand by over-correcting. Seriously, isn’t this obvious?

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Ah, to be young and stupid.
On a different note, I will be embarking on a personal crusade, a boycott of any and all products and services that come from blue states. A “Bluecott” if you will. Yes, as many of you know I live in one of the bluest and it will be difficult without relocation, but relocation may well be part of my plan. Anyway, please join me in my bluecott and share on this site any good info you can to further this cause. Time to starve the beast in every way possible.

OTTO on November 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

#1: quit hating gays. There’s a long list of requirements after that to win over younger voters, but the first one is easy. Opposition to marriage equality is a total loser issue going forward, at the national level and for a growing number of states.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Young voters will have more to worry about than whether gays can marry in the near future. In short, they’re screwed.

I know it’s cool to say one supports gay marriage but younger voters better start using their heads instead of whatever else. Young voters grow up to be older voters.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I fear that these young ones have no consideration of this obligation. In fact, I do not believe they care.

Jabberwock on November 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

They don’t. Give them a “free” T-shirt and promise them that they won’t have to work hard and they’ll follow Democrats anywhere. Just so long as they don’t have to work. It’s the formula you’ll see in every Dem campaign from now on.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Ever heard earnest youngsters in college, they are chock-full of insight that was ancient the day they were born, but to them it’s brand new and they preach it as so. It’s like my oldest son who heard “Gimme Shelter” for the first time and thought the “new” group playing it sounded pretty cool.

Now compare them to the young people serving in the military, the ones who don’t engage in sit-ins to protest Chinese hegemony over Tibet, the ones who don’t pass out pamphlets extolling the virtues of the LBGT lifestyle.

Instead they are trying to dodge sniper fire and IED’s, or standing midnight bridge watch on a frigate in the North Atlantic, or walking a guard post in some jungle shiithole.

Not to knock all college kids, but let’s face it, far too many of them have no effin clue what is waiting for them out there in the world beyond the quiet campus.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Because Gay marriage and contraceptives are the most important things in the world.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Wait until they feel the burn.

‘Course, by then, it’ll be too late.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

The generation this article speaks about is lost. A horrible education handed to them by socialist teachers who have an agenda. They have been brainwashed that America is an evil country and needs to repent for it’s evil way. They have been taught that THEY are personally responsible for slavery, and must bend over backward to right that wrong and not be like their racist ancestors. Blacks are not only their equal, but are better then them. Hence the music, style, coolness and entertainment.

This youth you speak of gets it’s NEWS from Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. They are addicted to porn, marijuana and technology. As long as they have some weed, and IPhone and an XBox, life is good.

They have been taught that marriage is bad. Sex means nothing.That religion is wrong. Successful people stole what they have earned. Rich people are evil. That being gay is great. And their parents are always wrong.

I agree in part with the last of what I wrote. I blame poor parenting for much of this.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Oh shut up. No one hates gays. You don’t have to hate gays to understand the consequences of changing the definition of marriage. What do we say when polygamists decide that they want their “rights” recognized to?

jawkneemusic on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

The director Nick Cassavetes said he didn’t see anything wrong with incest. Do we really want to go there?

Ward Cleaver on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

kind of off topic, but does anybody have:

A) a drink
B) a line of coke
C) a razor blade
D) a shotgun

thanks.

GhoulAid on November 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Wrote an email to Boehner this morning begging him to rubber stamp Obama’s agenda. From carbon taxes, to EPA regulations to more spending. Let it burn.

Let America get what she voted for.

Ca97 on November 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I asked this earlier – could someone please tell where I’m wrong on this ‘Progression’?

Chip on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

No, I can’t. Right now the conflict will be between Islam and communism.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

No one has done that yet – that’s even more disturbing.

Chip on November 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

That’s it in a nutshell.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:21 PM

No, I can’t. Right now the conflict will be between Islam and communism.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

The conflict will always be between Islam and who ever remains.

OTTO on November 7, 2012 at 4:21 PM

It’s like Jonah Goldberg said (to paraphrase) that ‘young people are stupid’ and therefore they need to be educated about the real world.

And therein lies the problem, education.

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

The GOP is going to be doing a lot of reevaluating in the near future, and as we all think about demographic trends and how to widen the tent, we cannot ignore reaching out to and communicating with young voters. President Obama has spent a lot of time on college campuses, making himself personable and talking convincingly about delivering easier student loan and tuition rates; if we had done a little more of that type of outreach on our terms, things might’ve gone very differently.

Erika, I like you, but this is naive.

Obama told them that Republicans want to take away their student loans and force them to get money from Mom and Dad to go to college. He told them that the job market stunk because we need more teachers and Republicans hate teachers. He told college women that he was giving them free abortions and free birth control because he, you know, cares about them because having kids is such a drag.

Obama is cool and hip, and he gives out freebies.

Our kids are programmed while they are in school to demand things of their government. They are not taught basic economics or budgets so it never occurs to them that it doesn’t add up.

So we are left with promising them free stuff to get their attention. What can we possibly promise them that will sound more appealing, because I don’t know.

goflyers on November 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

As Churchill said:

If you are not a socialist at 20, you have no heart.

If you are not a conservative at age 40, you have no brain.

You don’t need a stick. If you have the media and treats to hand out, you can hang around forever.

FDR kept getting fools to pull levers and check boxes to elect him for half a generation!

And we have several large and growing groups of fools in this country.

IlikedAUH2O on November 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

It’s a mistake to just assume that the youth vote is stupid and will always vote for the “hipper” candidate (and, for the record, no one on the Dem bench for 2016 seems very hip. HillDog? Bleh.). In this bad economy, we *can* appeal to young voters, but we’ve got to cool it on the social issues, especially gay marriage. Young voters are overwhelmingly for “marriage equality” (the newest buzzword for gay marriage), and we can’t bring them into the fold with people like Rick Santorum at the forefront of our party.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

We should double down on abortion, gay marriage, and other critically important issues. That will lock the youth vote in.

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Or, OR, the GOP can put forth an argument for Federalism where the Federal Government allows the states to decide these issues and gets out of the way. Marijuana is legal in Colorado, get out of the way. gay marriage is legal in Connecticut, get out of the way. Louisiania still supports the biblical definition of marriage, get out of the way. Virginia wants to drill off shore, get out of the way.

See how damn easy that is? Young people are just idiots, plain and simple. They voted for the “cool” candidate.

Daemonocracy on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

It’s difficult to imagine anyone selling himself into slavery–except, of course, for the economically illiterate. I hope their “compassion” still feels good when they are saddled with paying for Social Security and Medicare for people who are long dead.

DrMagnolias on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I saw an idiot on DU some weeks back postulating on the fact that we can print money with no consequences because ‘the world needs dollars’.

That’s what we’re up against right now.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I saw an idiot on DU some weeks back postulating on the fact that we can print money with no consequences because ‘the world needs dollars’.

That’s what we’re up against right now.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I … uh, am speechless.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

I’m at the “Oh well” stage. The days of the country taking care of people for the consequences of their poor decisions should soon be at an end.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Only when you stick your head in the sand. Care to explain how tax revenues had been declining since 9/11 happened, then after the Bush tax cuts, tax revenues increased by 40% over the next three years? Stop relying to idiot liberal echo studies and look at the IRS data directly. Care to explain it. Oh wait… I know… THE ECONOMY PICKED UP! (Well duh… what do you think was the catalyst?)

dominigan on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

The yutes thought they were voting for Jay Z.

Pimp with a limp becomes next WH social secretary.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

I think that even with the looming fiscal cliff and tax hikes and Obamacare and uncertainty people will say enough is enough and take the necessary steps to thrive and people will start businesses.

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I don’t. Unless there’s a sure fire bet that the business will do well there’s just too much regulation and tax to make the effort worthwhile.

I could be wrong.

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I guess that was just more of a prayer and a wish from me, it may be very far from reality. I am just hoping the American drive is still there. If it isnt this is going to be a bumpy ride to put it lightly.

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

OTTO on November 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Start with Hollywood, though admittedly that’s pretty easy considering the absolute garbage being issued to the big screen lately.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. – George Santayana

How’s this for a quick outline for what is most likely to happen in the next few years:

1). The country is weakened – on purpose – by the dear liar’s brand of National Socialism.

1a). The country splits apart over ‘Irreconcilable differences’ – further weakening it.

3). Other nations assert their world leadership – conflict breaks out over this competition: WWIII.

4). A new Dark age settles of over the planet.

Does anyone see a different outcome?

I asked this earlier – could someone please tell where I’m wrong this ‘Progression’?

Chip on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Take it from a retired Soldier, Wars(and political conflicts) aren’t won by the best Generals(National Leaders). They are lost by the most incompetent Generals(National Leaders). All the Generals(National Leaders) are to use an old Chinese saying, “riding on the back of a tiger.”

The bad news is we did get someone that, according to Ltc Adam West, wasn’t as qualified as a typical Fire Team Leader Sgt E-5. The good news is that we have a much better leader than most places.

19k30 retired

Linh_My on November 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The need to rule out ALL conservatives as bigots actually suggests that you’re worried about the large number in the party.

Don’t play in to their hand by over-correcting. Seriously, isn’t this obvious?

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Bigotry and hatred are entirely different things. And I’d go one step further and say that just because some gay person screams bigot or hater at those who disagree with their view doesn’t make it true.

IMO this is just one of the many areas where there is a need for serious adult conversation impossible so long as we keep re-electing rat-eared bastards like Barak Hussein Obama who won last night on the basis of promising marriage to gays, contraception to stupid women, and amnesty to Hispanics. All legitimate and complicated issues reduced to “free stuff” for stupid greedy morons.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

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You will get to study how well tax increases rev up the economy very soon.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I guess that was just more of a prayer and a wish from me, it may be very far from reality. I am just hoping the American drive is still there. If it isnt this is going to be a bumpy ride to put it lightly.

SoCalInfidel on November 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

I’m glad you’re optimistic. I should try to be but, well …

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

You will get to study how well tax increases rev up the economy very soon.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

lol

Very soon

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I saw an idiot on DU some weeks back postulating on the fact that we can print money with no consequences because ‘the world needs dollars’.

That’s what we’re up against right now.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

It wasn’t “JBiteme” was it?

forest on November 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

From another thread

Things seldom turn out as good as we hope, nor as bad as we fear

Look at it this way, will all this really make a difference 1000 years from now? If not, then no big deal.

Lucky Pierre on November 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Wrote an email to Boehner this morning begging him to rubber stamp Obama’s agenda. From carbon taxes, to EPA regulations to more spending. Let it burn.

Let America get what she voted for.

Ca97 on November 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Sign my name as well.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

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You will get to study how well tax increases rev up the economy very soon.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Well played, sir.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

It’s a mistake to just assume that the youth vote is stupid and will always vote for the “hipper” candidate (and, for the record, no one on the Dem bench for 2016 seems very hip. HillDog? Bleh.). In this bad economy, we *can* appeal to young voters, but we’ve got to cool it on the social issues, especially gay marriage. Young voters are overwhelmingly for “marriage equality” (the newest buzzword for gay marriage), and we can’t bring them into the fold with people like Rick Santorum at the forefront of our party.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You want to know why the youth vote went to Obama? It’s real simple… because they are completely shielded from economic concerns even though it affects their generation more than any others. You think college kids worry that much about finding jobs when their parents are still the “backup plan”? You want to change that… let the economics run their course until all the parents are losing their jobs and the kids have no backup plan. THEN you will see them care.

dominigan on November 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

The youths dig in for Hopenchange 2.0

I was gonna work as long as I enjoyed it or could, but that early retirement and social security-medicare gravy boat is setting sail soon and I don’t want to miss it. Thanks, chumps. Enjoy the bottom of the Ponzi pyramid!

Hahahahahaha…

Bruno Strozek on November 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

Republicans need to go back to their base – get the hell out of the bedroom, out of marriage, out of religion, out of abortion, out of more-more-more.

You can’t talk about being individual responsibility while obsessing over every little detail that “others” are doing. Stop whining jesus.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I’m so tired of this strawman.

The fact that the party of smoking bans, fat bans, soda bans, forcing people to pay for birth control, forcing porn stars to wear condoms (CA), etc etc won is somehow an indication that the electorate won’t vote for Republicans because they meddle in people’s lives?

The argument just doesn’t hold water.

Both parties meddle to an extraordinary extent in people’s lives. If that truly bothered the electorate the Libertarians would have received more than 2-3% of the vote.

JadeNYU on November 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

We have good friends (and good people to boot) who voted for Obama with great enthusiasm. One thinks if her son can’t find a high paying job after college – Obama will just forgive the debt. The other loves O because he ‘has her back’ whatever the hell that means.

This guy has something I just don’t see and some very good people are buying his schtick. My head has been shaking back and forth since last night in wonder, confusion, despair.

NeoDawg on November 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I thought that disenchantment with the shoddy results of President Obama’s first term, combined with the diminished spirit of Hopenchange, would mean we’d see some significant shift from the record-breaking decisiveness of the youth vote that was the 2008 election.

Obama got 10 million FEWER votes than he did in 2008. There was plenty of disenchantment.

But since Conservatives/Republicans stayed home, our turnout was less than it was in 2008 – and Obama won.

catmman on November 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Then explain why even the Dems are terrified of letting the Bush tax cuts expire without modification. They know darn well what will happen. They just lie about it because they know their followers are ignorant.

dominigan on November 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

It wasn’t “JBiteme” was it?

forest on November 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I don’t remember. I clicked into it by accident. Idiots like that with access to ballots make me vomit with rage.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The GOP is going to be doing a lot of reevaluating in the near future, and as we all think about demographic trends and how to widen the tent, we cannot ignore reaching out to and communicating with young voters.

I think the economy is going to do that for us.

Let’s face it, people: it hasn’t gotten that bad, yet. Not bad enough to turn low information voters against a rock star. And not for long enough for TheFailedPoliciesOfGeorgeBush to be seen as the absurdity that it is.

It sounds absurd to all of us – even to liberals who follow politics, if they’re being honest – that Obama could have gotten away with it, but he did. I can attest as a young person in the Phila collar counties that most of his supporters resolved to vote for him again four years ago and have been filling up my Facebook feed with gaffes, GOP outtakes, and Rick Santorum quotes ever since. He lost a few that I know to apathy, but obviously not enough.

I want to stress that these people are not economic liberals. They aren’t informed enough to even know what that means. So painful education will be necessary. We hoped to avoid it, as it hurts us all, but oh well.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Not to knock all college kids, but let’s face it, far too many of them have no effin clue what is waiting for them out there in the world beyond the quiet campus.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

You do not know how right you are. And I am not even considering war.
Our kids coming out of college are soft. They have been pampered their entire lives and told they are special.That prof. in Massachusetts, a couple years ago, was right. There is NOTHING special about our grads. Except here in the States. Beyond our borders, they get eaten alive.
We have one generation to fix this attitude or we are doomed.
That so many of the youths chose Obama does not bode well.

Jabberwock on November 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I teach a couple of classes as a retirement job at a community college. I’m telling you that unless it’s on MTV or ESPN the kids have no clue. Part of my discussion involves the Supreme Court. I have yet to find a student that realizes that after 2014 they will be forced to buy insurance. Not one of them knew anything about Libya. Not one had ever heard the term Fast and Furious. It’s scary to think that this generation might have decided this election. Before you flame me, I know that there are informed kids out there, but how many?

kam582 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Now compare them to the young people serving in the military, the ones who don’t engage in sit-ins to protest Chinese hegemony over Tibet, the ones who don’t pass out pamphlets extolling the virtues of the LBGT lifestyle.

Instead they are trying to dodge sniper fire and IED’s, or standing midnight bridge watch on a frigate in the North Atlantic, or walking a guard post in some jungle shiithole.

Not to knock all college kids, but let’s face it, far too many of them have no effin clue what is waiting for them out there in the world beyond the quiet campus.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Thank you for making the point I was trying to figure out how to express. I’m sick and tired of the youth vote being defined by the 20-year-old dilettante flitting from one ideology to another and willing to chant O-BAM-A for a free T-shirt.

I’d rather be hearing more from those 20-year-olds serving in the military (until it is gutted by rat-ears). But, of course, Leon Pannetta suppressed their votes to keep his boss in office.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Multiple studies show that tax cuts do not rev up the economy.

A Axe on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

It’s not by any means a fun read even for someone who agrees with it, but really, you libs should read Atlas Shrugged. It’s uncanny how often you guys quote verbatim the villains that are supposed to be dystopia/satire.

Even allowing that multiple studies show absolutely everything to be true, multiple Paul Krugman editorials do not count as multiple studies.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The problem is far deeper than what occurs at college. These students (and most college grads under about 50) have been steeped in collectivism since they were five, courtesy of the public schools and the teachers’ unions. Moreover, most under about 30 grew up with the idea that rather than figure out things for themselves, they’d have “playdates” and have everything arranged for them. Hence, their approach to life is that others arrange everything for them, and that a collectivist approach is good.

I suspect few if any have ever had a teacher extoll the virtues of Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell, Cornelius Vanderbilt, the Wright Brothers, or other inventors and industry captains. That makes them susceptible not just to collectivism, but also to the anti-Bain/anti-Romney crap we just saw.

So, to reach the “youth” vote (which I define as anyone under about 35 at this point), you’ve got to get over a heckuva lot of long-term indoctrination. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done, but it’s very very entrenched.

FiveG on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Reaching out. How about if your in a position to hire, you skip through these imbeciles and hire an older person! Let them go 4 more years of unemployment. Of course if you need a fry cook at KFC, might as well hire a computer programmer or an engineer.

And in the meantime, lets hope those parents evict these overindulgent children out of the house.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Before you flame me, I know that there are informed kids out there, but how many?

kam582 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Don’t worry. There will be a lot more soon.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM

This is what happens when you get a trophy for participating instead of achieving.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I saw an idiot on DU some weeks back postulating on the fact that we can print money with no consequences because ‘the world needs dollars’.

That’s what we’re up against right now.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Paul Krugman?

DrMagnolias on November 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Paul Krugman?

DrMagnolias on November 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Heh. I have been getting a couple of smiles on my face today.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Just as sometimes we discipline our children by letting them fail, we need to do the same as a country. The so-called “fiscal cliff” is approaching and we should let it happen.

The Dem’s want Clinton era tax rates, then do nothing and they will get them, ALL of them.

They don’t like military spending, do nothing about the sequester and let the suppliers issue the WARN notices for the layoffs.

Tater Salad on November 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Look at it this way, will all this really make a difference 1000 years from now? If not, then no big deal.

Lucky Pierre on November 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Then we shouldn’t give a flying flip about anything. We should just cede control of our lives and let it happen because we won’t even be a memory. Why comment on blogs, why vote,?

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Well at least we’re finally going to have a discussion about those third rails like social security and medicare.

It’s going to be interesting in 25 years when all these middle age ex-liberals realize they have no one to turn to after the wealth is long gone.

DanMan on November 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

It’s scary to think that this generation might have decided this election. Before you flame me, I know that there are informed kids out there, but how many?

kam582 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Flame thrower in the safe position. I’m curious. Have you gotten through to any of these skulls-full-of-mush? I’m somewhat jaded. I view the twenty-somethings as needing thumb implants because they pay no attention to anything but tweeting that they just got a roast beef sandwich and a soda but declined the offer of a pickle.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Rush has a good post about what went wrong and what it basically boils down to is that (according to the exit polls) half the country are a bunch of dumba$$es. We’re outnumbered by the dumba$$es.

Idiocracy!

PrettyD_Vicious on November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Obama got 10 million FEWER votes than he did in 2008. There was plenty of disenchantment.

But since Conservatives/Republicans stayed home, our turnout was less than it was in 2008 – and Obama won.

catmman on November 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Are you really buying that BS? I’m not. Romney’s vote was intentionally under counted to give the Marxist a win. Vote count suppression.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

kam582 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Enough to make sure Obama wins. Twice.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

These are the biggest dupes of all. They are going to pay for everything. But they should because they voted for it. I don’t care if college kids get jobs after college. They should have thought about that before they voted. And when they turn 26 and can no longer be on their parents insurance, then they can fully experience Obamacare the mandate and that makes me so very happy. Suck it generation Obama you just ushered in socialism you freaks. Enough with giving the youth M&Ms to do the right thing or use their brains. Its time for some natural consequences of your actions type of learning.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

So, to reach the “youth” vote (which I define as anyone under about 35 at this point), you’ve got to get over a heckuva lot of long-term indoctrination. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done, but it’s very very entrenched.

FiveG on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Sometimes I wonder how much indoctrination is really done. Obviously, universities are filled with liberal profs who TRY to indoctrinate students, but you have to remember that youth also entails a large rebellious streak. At first that means rebelling against mommy and daddy by parroting the socialism of your profs, but eventually it leads many to question their indoctrination, which is why you’d be surprised how many ostensibly liberal campuses have a good number of young conservatives.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM

It’s scary to think that this generation might have decided this election. Before you flame me, I know that there are informed kids out there, but how many?

kam582 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

A lot, actually, but too many of them are still convinced of outdated stereotypes about the GOP.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Reaching out. How about if your in a position to hire, you skip through these imbeciles and hire an older person! Let them go 4 more years of unemployment. Of course if you need a fry cook at KFC, might as well hire a computer programmer or an engineer.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

That’s already happening in Bark’s New America.

Pretty easy to tell that the guy at Home Depot used to be a stockbroker when you approach him to ask where the circuit breakers are and his face goes ashen because he doesn’t understand the word.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

This is what happens when you get a trophy for participating instead of achieving.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM

The only trophies my kids keep say 1st Place or Champion. All others have been disappeared.

They do it themselves. If allowed.

Jabberwock on November 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

First, i think we have too many people going to college incorrectly thinking that their salary will be directly proportional to the number of degrees that they have.

Secondly, how does a conservative compete with free or cheaper student loans.

Lastly, Planned Parenthood infests colleges with abortion rights and almost a nasty anti-male stance.

earlgrey133 on November 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM

So true. All of it.

avagreen on November 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Teaching at both a university and a high school, I’ve talked politics, or rather policy, with a lot of young people. When we leave partisan labels out of it, the majority of them really go for pretty libertarian positions, and even when you slap that term “libertarian” on it all, they still go for it.

If the Republicans can foster more Jeff Flakes, and keep from driving out the Gary Johnsons, they’ll make definite inroads with the young. (At least, with all the ones that can be persuaded.)

Tzetzes on November 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM

The problem is far deeper than what occurs at college.

FiveG on November 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Good post. One point I’d like to add is that most of the today’s “youth” were born into single parent households or are children of divorce.

They don’t see the value of hard work or commitment first hand. The govt., on the other hand, has been the family sugar-daddy since the craddle.

This underlying problem is getting worse, not better….brace yourself for 2016.

Deafdog on November 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM

No more sympathy for the young. I am now perfectly content to let them pay for my social security benefits to the detriment of their own economic health. If they were stupid enought to vote against their own interests by re-electing this boob, then unleash the economic Kraken on them and let ‘er rip.

natasha333 on November 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The youths dig in for Hopenchange 2.0

Hitler Youth II.

Or, The Sheeple Brigade.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

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