The status-quo endorsement?

posted at 8:41 am on November 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

In my previous post, I offered some thoughts about the wrong assumptions conservatives (like myself) made about the electorate and the lessons of 2008 and 2010. What message does 2012 give us?  Other than the fact of realignment, it’s almost impossible to say, thanks to the very unusual status-quo result of the of election.

Having an incumbent President win an election is hardly surprising in and of itself.  Incumbent Presidents rarely lose when running in a second election; in my lifetime, only Jimmy Carter and George H. W. Bush managed it.  (Gerald Ford lost his first presidential election.)  Before that, you have to go to Herbert Hoover, who lost his bid thanks to the obvious implications of a dire financial crisis.

But consider that for a moment when mulling over Obama’s win.  We’ve come out of an economic crisis to three years of economic stagnation.  In poll after poll, voters insisted that the US was heading in the wrong direction.  The early exit polls showed that only 25% of voters thought they were doing better than four years earlier.  And yet, not only did these voters re-elect Obama (again, not unusual for an incumbent), but they also left the House and Senate in the hands of the same leadership as before the election.  In the end, as Jim Geraghty tweeted, we spent somewhere north of two billions dollars just to get Indiana and North Carolina to flip.

Now, House races tend to be local, and Senate races only a little less so.  It may be difficult to draw national conclusions from the outcomes of individual races.  But if the realignment gave Democrats a powerful voice in the presidential contest, it didn’t do them all that much good in undoing the 2010 midterm election results.  This looks like a pretty intriguing endorsement of a status quo that few voters admit liking.

This holds some opportunity for both parties to reset their approach and try again after the last two years of brinksmanship and rancor.  Voters are unhappy with the status quo, but don’t trust either party with total control of the federal government again.  It’s possible that they want to see government work properly again, with the proper tension and checks between branches of government and party agendas, but for those checks to produce actual solutions and not ulimatums and diktats.  Over the next two years, Democrats and Republicans have another chance to get back to business instead of conducting never-ending campaigns, and the first party to grasp this might be able to set the agenda.

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The Status-Quo is not good enough…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Seriously, McCain has a few million more votes than Romney that would/could have won it for Romney. HOW IN THE HELL?!?! I swear it seemed people were more fired up this time, bigger crowds, more support….I dont understand it. Where were our voters?

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Yes the House can stop the expansion of Obama destructive socialist agenda, forget about those left wing lunacy ideas of global warming taxes for example but the stagnation of the economy would continue… The fiscal cliff cannot be avoided even if they kick the can down the road with temporary measures…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Seriously, McCain has a few million more votes than Romney that would/could have won it for Romney. HOW IN THE HELL?!?! I swear it seemed people were more fired up this time, bigger crowds, more support….I dont understand it. Where were our voters?

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Yes it does not make sense… I hope it was the “mormon” thing… Time will tell….

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

People need to start sliding down the slope faster to see the cliff?

tomg51 on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I swear it seemed people were more fired up this time, bigger crowds, more support….I dont understand it. Where were our voters?

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Biggers crowds, more support? In your head? You should stop reading establishment echo chambers like Hot Air.

promachus on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Yes it does not make sense… I hope it was the “mormon” thing… Time will tell….

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Oops I meant I hope it was NOT the “mormon” thing…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Republicans will be the only ones to cave. I say vote present. Nice knowing u America!

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Biggers crowds, more support? In your head? You should stop reading establishment echo chambers like Hot Air.

promachus on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Yet you are here. Get lost.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Time to just sit back, hold on tight and watch the disintegration begin to kick in high gear. Let the Democrats own what’s coming.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 AM

If I were a the GOP, I would vote Present also, give the POTUS what he wants but speak loudly against it.

I would also avoid any and all MSM outlets unless you are going to blast them for their bias.

Let Obama have what he wants. America, at this point, needs to hit bottom. There is no other way for us to change things and wake up the clueless idiots.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Did the base come out for Romney? They didn’t for McCain. I can’t understand what happened either. For three years the electorate punished Obama’s surrogates. Is it that they want the status quo? Is it as some have said the takers now outnumber the makers? Are people afraid of being labelled racist for voting against a black guy?

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

how is the supreme court going to look in 4 years? scalia and kennedy are both 76, ginsburg is 79 and breyer is 74.

dbilly76 on November 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Republicans will be the only ones to cave. I say vote present. Nice knowing u America!

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM

May be we need to let Obama got his way on “Taxing the Rich” those who make over $ 200,000 a year… This way when businesses start laying off people and the economy crashes again then he and his party would be the only one to be blamed… I wonder what would liberal do when they finally tax the rich… Are they going to celebrate, party all night?… These people are sick…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Boehner and McConnell are not winners, nor are they leaders. It’s pathetic what the Republicans offer as the “faces” of the party. Boehner sounds perpetually drunk when he speaks. Pathetic.

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

More EPA, less coal, fewer power plants, more rolling black-outs…

That’s it? Do we need 3rd world power shortages to get peoples attention?

tomg51 on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

To all of you Republicans who stayed home yesterday F-YOU! You reap what you sow.

tdarrington on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

I am with ya. This election seemed wrong. Not only did it have issues with the amount but I am guessing that over 3 million went to Johnson and that is why. The throw away votes. I am so mad still I want to spit.

upinak on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Yet you are here. Get lost.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM

TROLLCOT!!

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

The difference between the castrated Republicans and the Democratic party:

Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock: abandoned and vilified by Romney and the rest of Republicans. Cash pulled by Karl Rove and the Republican string pullers.Libertarians and “conservatives” join in with the media in vilifying them.

vs.

Re-elected Congressman John Tierney on MAssachusetts’ North Shore: a crook and thug, who directly benefited from illegality. Governor Deval Patrick embraces and campaigns with him. Bill Clinton does robo calls and Democratic funds pour into his campaign.
Republicans run Richard Tisei, the advocate for gender bending and destruction of marriage.

Epic Fail for the RINO strategy.

Unreal.

vilebody on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Romney ran a terrible campaign and he wasn’t likable. He didn’t convince most voters that he was any better on the economy than Obama was, and that’s a pretty low standard.

Mr Romneycare just wasn’t any more appealing than Mr Obamacare.

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Biggers crowds, more support? In your head? You should stop reading establishment echo chambers like Hot Air.

promachus on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Please. Find one ounce of kindness and just go away for a few days. Okay?

djl130 on November 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Mr i won didn’t do squat after 2010…does anyone think he’ll do something now?

Compromise is whatever the dems want

They’ll get their tax increases and gop will not get their spending cuts….we’ve seen this time and again

*sigh *

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM

To all of you Republicans who stayed home yesterday F-YOU! You reap what you sow.

tdarrington on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Agreed.

I also heard something on the radio that 40% of voters viewed Hurricane Sandy as important in their vote. ??!?!?!?!?!?!!? Do so many people really buy into photo ops? Do so many people really have an attention span of 5 minutes. Not to mention, things are horrible in the hurricane area right now, but of course, the normal media dont tell America that.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Time to just sit back, hold on tight and watch the disintegration begin to kick in high gear. Let the Democrats own what’s coming.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 AM

They won’t. They are the party of excuses, fabrication, lies and blame.

How the hell does a person who falsely claimed protected affirmative action status get elected to the Senate of the United States?

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 AM

We need to hit rock bottom. The country is addicted to entitlements and complacent. We need to hit rock bottom and start all over at a constitutional convention.

tdarrington on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Keep nominating nice guys and moderates and this is the result you will get. The only way to win is nominate a hardcore conservative who will fight just as nasty as the dems will.

Big Orange on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Seriously, McCain has a few million more votes than Romney that would/could have won it for Romney. HOW IN THE HELL?!?! I swear it seemed people were more fired up this time, bigger crowds, more support….I dont understand it. Where were our voters?

I guess that we just live in a bigger bubble than the Dems do. I just wish that it was their bubble that burst, and not ours.

mooseygoosey on November 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Uhm, it’s time to drop “TROLLCOT”. They have a right to gloat.

promachus, as I’ve asked in other threads following you and yet to receive and answer, is Gov. Palin going to run in 2014 and serve in DC or just win the White House in 2016 after eight years of being a Greta guest?

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Over the next two years, Democrats and Republicans have another chance to get back to business instead of conducting never-ending campaigns, and the first party to grasp this might be able to set the agenda.

Sorry, Ed but I don’t agree. The House tried passing bills and a budget and Harry Reid didn’t even take up the budget for 3 years. How is this working together thing going to happen when they are using pocket vetoes? The President submitted a budget so unserious that his OWN party didn’t vote for 97-0. There isn’t a middle ground for us to go to. There is no ground on the Democrat side. The idiotic public hasn’t noticed that they are not even governing.

Conan on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Did the base come out for Romney? They didn’t for McCain.

No they didn’t. Fewer came out for Romney than for McCain.

For three years the electorate punished Obama’s surrogates.

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

They don’t like Obama so they voted his surrogates out.
They didn’t like Romney either. Romney couldn’t close the deal.

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

5 more minutes until i call my congressman and tell him to give democrats their tax hikes for the rich. time for the voters to reap what they sow…

dbilly76 on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Well, there’s always the birth certificate.

greataunty on November 7, 2012 at 8:56 AM

I may have to quit my job. Spousal unit & I cannot afford being so “rich”. It’s a serious consideration in our household and I don’t think we’re alone in making this calculation.

fatigue on November 7, 2012 at 8:56 AM

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Hey, do you know what the libertarian and green party totals came out too? I just want to see how many people threw away their votes.

upinak on November 7, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Don’t we now have 30 Republican governors?

southsideironworks on November 7, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Actually, what happened during this election and the last is the mindset of the American public. When a country has sunk to a level where evil is called good such as homosexuality; when the people condone the abandonment of fellow Americans in places like Benghazi for political purposes; when the people vote for or against a person because the candidate has a large smile on his face when he’s lying to you; when a nation curses Israel, it puts itself on a path of destruction like past empires of the past. The Godless people sowed to the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

From Romans 1:21-32 -

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Sure sounds like the state of things in this country now.

iamsaved on November 7, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Let Obama have what he wants. America, at this point, needs to hit bottom. There is no other way for us to change things and wake up the clueless idiots.

bucsox79

Truth. A painful truth.

This is a common management concept for new leaders. Give your subordinates everything they ask for to see if it makes a difference. Most often it does not, and then you can step in with your ideas and lead the change.

Sadly, doing this now has potentially catastrophic consequences. Can we risk it?

TheLoudTalker on November 7, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Middle aged men have no business talking about “legitimate rape”, especially if they failed basic biology.

wargamer6 on November 7, 2012 at 8:58 AM

What message does 2012 give us?

UNLESS YOU’RE DEAF……it’s obvious.

the gop is dead as an opposition party.

the Teaters are now in charge.

They want free stuff.

The Media is all powerful(Associated Press/Reuters/NBC/ABC/CBS/ETC.)

The gop is so pathetic that it fielded YET ANOTHER POSER CONSERVATIVE who gives a great concession speech.

Look at the electoral map. The gop is done as an effective voice to oppose the Communist/Democrats. Romney ceded automatically 200 votes.

Now FLORIDA/OHIO/COLORADO are all blue and they are NOT COMING BACK with more poser Conservatives. But it may even be too late for a real Conservative to win anyway.

…..this is only the beginning.

NOW OBAMA IS UNFETTERED FROM THE VOTERS.

Transform America?……….only beginning.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I’d like to pause and express gratitude to:

Anne Coulter
Matt Drudge
Fox News

Romney bots all.

lm10001 on November 7, 2012 at 8:59 AM

A couple of my neighbors were complaining this morning that they’ve already been told their full-time jobs will be going to part-time positions due to ObamaCare and the mandates.

I do believe there’s going to be a huge wake-up call when other businesses start following suit, being willing to pay the fines rather than provide the coverage demanded.

The most interesting thing to watch, in a train-wreck sort of way, will be the Catholic church (and others) versus Obamacare. If the Church (hopefully) follows through, we’ll start seeing the first Catholic hospitals begin to close in the very near future.

TKindred on November 7, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Folks we need to find a way to eliminate early voting and absentee ballots except absentee ballots for the military and Americans overseas…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

and 36% more single women voted for Obama than Romney.

THAT is why his brilliant repulsive strategy of SANDRAFLUKEING the gop was effective.

Single gals are interested in free contraception and abortions and casual hookups.

And college guys just want to stay upstairs staring at their faded Obama posters on the ceiling, with no job and no future, but…..casual hookups with the single gals.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

“All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years… At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” – Abraham Lincoln

WordsMatter on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Did the base not come out, or is the base shrinking? (Or both?)

SAZMD on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Well, we elected Deb Fischer to the Senate and all of our electoral votes to Romney! Lee Terry held on to his congressional seat (I hate the guy and had to hold my nose to vote for him, but there it is).

Is Fischer the only Republican to win a Senate seat in the country?

Dack Thrombosis on November 7, 2012 at 9:02 AM

this is no less than a tragedy for our great nation, only tempered by the first blow against the war against drugs. Congrats Colorado and Washington.

Slade73 on November 7, 2012 at 9:02 AM

In my previous post, I offered some thoughts about the wrong assumptions conservatives (like myself) made about the electorate and the lessons of 2008 and 2010. What message does 2012 give us?

That we have a fundamentally(to borrow Newt’s favorite word) unserious electorate that apparently needs to experience a real economic depression before they’ll understand what it is that fiscal conservatives have been railing on about since Obama was elected.

Time will tell what specific issue or issues threw this thing toward Obama. If it’s because we have too many moochers, well the pending bankruptcy of the nation will take care of that. Let’s just hope it’s a peaceful resolution. If it’s because too many single women voted on social issues, I imagine 4 more years of a stagnant economy(or worse) will awaken at least some of them. If it was trivial matters like Sandy photo ops or the killing of bin Laden, those will be ancient history come 2016.

Obviously a lot of work needs to be done by the Republican Party leadership. I don’t think 2010 was a fluke since the House remains roughly the same aside from a few names changing. But clearly they have issues with getting out the vote in statewide elections given the results from the Senate and Presidential races. That has to change quickly.

Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Seriously, McCain has a few million more votes than Romney that would/could have won it for Romney. HOW IN THE HELL?!?! I swear it seemed people were more fired up this time, bigger crowds, more support….I dont understand it. Where were our voters?

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Evangelicals turned out worse for Romney than McCain. Mormonism had to be an issue.

And some credit has to be given to Sarah Palin, who was the reason McCain got so many votes in 08.

gumbyandpokey on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Folks, we have NO IDEA what is about to really happen to this country and to the world.

Think about what this means that we have a Muslim sympathizer, apologist, Benghazi massacre, President in the White House with “MORE FLEXIBILITY” after the election to disarm America.

GOD SAVE MY CHILDREN.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I heard a bunch of people in New York celebrating, mostly black. These people are absolutely clueless. Clueless. Screaming and cheering like a bunch of morons. Even worse that most of them support Obama as highly as they do, because of his race.

Ive already unfriended liberals on facebook this morning. A couple black ones. I could tell just by their posts that they were truly ignorant of the issues, but supported Obama so loudly because of his race.

No offense to blacks, but you all really need to do some soul searching.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

They won’t. They are the party of excuses, fabrication, lies and blame.

How the hell does a person who falsely claimed protected affirmative action status get elected to the Senate of the United States?

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 AM

That is my fear also that they can just blame Republicans. That is all they did this cycle and it worked. We have too big a population that doesn’t think for itself if what the Democrats are saying isn’t true.

We can also in addition be thankful the MSM got their candidate elected. Makes me weep for the country that what they want is what WILL be.

Conan on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Hey, do you know what the libertarian and green party totals came out too? I just want to see how many people threw away their votes.

upinak on November 7, 2012 at 8:56 AM

No idea. Its usually around a million to half a million at a guess?

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM

5 more minutes until i call my congressman and tell him to give democrats their tax hikes for the rich. time for the voters to reap what they sow…

dbilly76 on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I’m with you. Let them run the country they way they see fit. They won’t be able to blame the republicans in 2016 and maybe these idiots who voted for the Dems will get a clue.

plutorocks on November 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM

5 more minutes until i call my congressman and tell him to give democrats their tax hikes for the rich. time for the voters to reap what they sow…

dbilly76 on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I totally agree… Let Obama and the democrats get their way in taxing every business owner and employer in the country…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I think it’s a mistake to assume Obama’s voters were voting based on issues or the continuation of specific policies. He ran a moron vote campaign through entertainment media and a scare campaign through ads and the news media. It worked.

forest on November 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Actually, I’m chortling about Colorado and Washington voting to legalize pot. How is that gonna work out? Do they need to federalize the local police in order to arrest people for possession of marijuana or what?

I’m perfectly fine with citizens sticking a finger in the fed gov eye.

Dack Thrombosis on November 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

No idea. Its usually around a million to half a million at a guess?

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I have a feeling it was a lot more this time around. Wish I could find some numbers. Oh well. LTNS.

upinak on November 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Mr i won didn’t do squat after 2010…does anyone think he’ll do something ?

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Well, he does owe Russia some flexibility

socalcon on November 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

What platform did Dear Liar run on?
What exciting, new ideas did The Whine propose?

Nothing.

He ran an entirely negative campaign, a “I’m the lesser of two evils” vision.

There is no mandate, because Obama advanced no mandate.

I’m not going to be defeated or discouraged. I am going to dig in and fight back.

rbj on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Balance of power? Come on, Ed. They want free stuff.

gatsbysgirlontheside on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Time to just sit back, hold on tight and watch the disintegration begin to kick in high gear. Let the Democrats own what’s coming.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 AM

This is what I think too. Obamacare is coming. Thank you Judge Stevens. Now everyone in my small NY town will have to deal with it…well except for the school, they have a waiver. Lets see if Obama’s policies finally bring down energy costs this winter and gas prices and if the Middle East gets all better with his FP. Maybe unemployment will be dropping off in no time. Lets see if the rich paying just a little more and showing some “economic patriotism” produces more jobs and takes care of the debt or if the Middle Class wakes up to higher taxes and lower take home pay and fewer jobs and more poverty. Or maybe it all just gets better without a Kestone pipeline. Maybe more solar panel investments from the Dept of Energy will make us energy independent. Maybe we can really just ignore our enemies and classify terrorism as work place violence and be done with terroism. Lets wait and see.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Judge Stevens = Judge Roberts. I’m p*ssed off today so my brain isn’t working. Deep breaths.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM

The vote fraud, the war on women…none of that mattered. Approx 115 million of the 250 million eligible voters voted. If only 5 million more republicans would have gotten their lazy asses to the polls, it would have been a landslide.

I’m moving to Texas.

tdarrington on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Did the base come out for Romney? They didn’t for McCain.

dogsoldier on November 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

You’re right, we didn’t turn out for McCain.

We turned out for Palin.

UltimateBob on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

It’s possible that they want to see government work properly again, with the proper tension and checks between branches of government and party agendas, but for those checks to produce actual solutions and not ulimatums and diktats.

Ed, the only checks the Democratic Party is interested in are the ones coming out of the US Treasury. And last night proved that that’s the only thing the electorate cares about too.

For all the niceties about breaking the partisan tone and so on, the bitter reality is we’ve lost our chance for a soft landing from this mess. We’ve past the last chance to turn around before heading off a fiscal cliff that has worldwide consequences.

At best we are looking at another 40 years in the electoral wilderness. At worst, well, we do as the Greeks do. Riot for our checks that no one wants to cover.

JohnTant on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

I say give the POS everything he wants and then some. Let him crash the system.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

5 more minutes until i call my congressman and tell him to give democrats their tax hikes for the rich. time for the voters to reap what they sow…

dbilly76 on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM

They may as well. I know it’s cutting off our nose to spite our faces, but just give them the f’ing tax hikes already, let’s suffer through the next 4 years of a depressed economy(it’s gonna be lousy anyway), and take away their biggest talking point in 2014 and 2016. Seriously, if you eliminate class warfare and taxing the rich as campaign platforms for the Dems, they literally have nothing to run on(well, aside from Big Bird, Binders, and Birth Control).

And look at it this way. Tax hikes are almost inevitable anyway since Obama has to merely sit back and do nothing between now and January. He knows the GOP will cave after that and retroactively reinstate the Bush rates for middle and lower income people. So just give him what he wants and make him own the outcome.

Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

we can be sure Obama will continue to prosecute though…just cause he smoked mad herb doesn’t mean anyone else should. He needs the DOJ distracted with cases that don’t involve him

Slade73 on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Epic Fail for the RINO strategy.

Unreal.

vilebody on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 AM

This is not hard.

2010 the voters spoke loudly.

We do not want Obama Care or anything like it.

2012 The GOP told the voters loudly.

We do not care what you want. Obama Care is going to be law and here is Mitt Romney the father of it. Take that and Tea Party be gone.

The voters responded loudly.

Screw Romney and the GOP.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 9:09 AM

So what were all the long lines for? I stood in line for an hour. Much longer than 08 and the turnout is lower? It doesn’t seem right.

stackedeck on November 7, 2012 at 9:11 AM

This may or may not be OT, but I am wondering if we have now heard the last from Karl Rove. I didn’t watch it last night, but on Fox News, it was as if Rove was in a complete state of denial, refusing to admit Romney had lost the election despite the efforts of Fox News personnel to convince him otherwise.

The word is Rove was practically on the verge of becoming totally unhinged live on camera, and even Megan Kelly was getting ticked at him.

pilamaye on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

THE QUESTION NO ONE IS ASKING BUT SHOULD BE:

What happened to 23 million voters?

If you look at the last 4 elections, there has been a minimum of 7% voter growth each year and one year much greater. That would have put 2012 total votes at 23 million than they were. Mitt Romney actually got 3.5 million fewer votes than John McCain! Having voted in both elections I find that stunning. In 2008 I did not wait to vote at all. In 2012 I waited almost 2 hours.

All of the empirical evidence on the ground was for massive Republican turnout. We were up 15% in EV over 2008. GOTV was outstanding, enthusiasm was high, Romney was speaking to crowds of 30k +.

But then we underperformed 2008? If anyone thinks this is strange it is because it is.

Obama got about 10% fewer votes than 2008, and won, easily. Incomprehensible.

We are missing about 13 million Republican votes. Where are they?

mitchellvii on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Herbert Hoover, who lost his bid thanks to the obvious implications of a dire financial crisis.

Good thing there are no obvious implications of a dire financial crisis today! If only we had ways of telling if we were in a dire financial crisis! Oh, if only . . .

Pablo Snooze on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM

“Lets set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace – and you can have it in the next second – surrender.”

~ Ronald Wilson Reagan (1911-2004)

RedPepper on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

You’re WRONG
Romney could easily have won this election if he had promised to do the American peoples bidding.
If he had grown a pair and proclaimed one thing.

I will bring the troops home from Afghanistan immediately.
A libertarian/conservative hybrid is the only way we win in the future. Call it isolationist, call it whatever you want but THAT is where the American people are, really.

AmeriCuda on November 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Unless I am missing some huge pile of votes waiting to be counted, in the end it will be Obama 61.5 million votes, Romney 58.5 million (for ~2.5% O win).

McCain had 60 million votes in 2008. Or, shall I say, Palin got 60 million votes. Of course, O got 69.5 million that year.

In 2004, Bush had 62 million, and Kerry got 59 million. Well, perhaps Romney can get lucky and catch Kerry.

So, Romney was a terrible, weak, unispiring candidate. He did not get any base turnout, the rural turnout was bad, at least 5-6 million available GOP voters (extrapolating Bush’s numbers up 5%) simply sat it out.

But, of course, GOPe likes him, he gave a good concession speech.

buridan on November 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I have a feeling it was a lot more this time around. Wish I could find some numbers. Oh well. LTNS.

upinak on November 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Gary Johnson currently has 1.1 million votes
Jill Stein (Green) currently has about 400,000 votes.

Even if you took every Johnson vote and gave it to Romney, Obama would still win the same # of states. Not a single one would change.

AngusMc on November 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Im done with people like Rove and Morris. Two slimy people that get to big a voice on our side. People like them, are part of the problem, no matter how good they sound. They say what we want to hear, for their own benefit to their popularity. Morris can go back to Clinton for all I care.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

If only 5 million more republicans would have gotten their lazy asses to the polls, it would have been a landslide.

tdarrington on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM

If only there had been a conservative to vote for.

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

What were all the long lines for? Something isn’t adding up.

stackedeck on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The question I want answered by Obama:

What are you going to do to us in your second term?

So far, that question has gone unasked and unanswered. I think its time he answer.

Key West Reader on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Here is that link to that article I saw on what happened with Karl Rove last night on Fox News.

pilamaye on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I not so sure what it endorses, but I am sure what it rejects:
-asinine anti abortionism and anti homosexuality derived from religious justifications
-innuendo about minorities as moochers. the minorities vote too!
-rejects idiotic pundits like rush and glenn and trump. they are popular only in our base!
-rejects poorly based hatred of the president with birtherism and other.

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Take nothing for granted.

Prepare for the worst.

Hope for the best .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

You got me there solcon
:)

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Folks we need to find a way to eliminate early voting and absentee ballots except absentee ballots for the military and Americans overseas…

mnjg on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

I’m afraid that train left the station long ago. Won’t be coming back.

jwolf on November 7, 2012 at 9:17 AM

This is what happens when you nominate another big government statist.

MoreLiberty on November 7, 2012 at 9:17 AM

REGARDING LINES AT POLLING PLACES:

This is a mystery. Most everyone has the same story. MUCH longer lines at voting places than 2008. MUCH MUCH longer lines.

Obama’s turnout was about 10 million less than 2008, so it wasn’t a surge of Obama supporters creating the lines. However, Romney got 3.5 million fewer votes than McCain so it wasn’t Republican voters creating the lines.

Who the HELL were all those people in line? Republicans increased EV turnout by 15%. Where are they?

The vote totals simple DO NOT MAKE SENSE.

mitchellvii on November 7, 2012 at 9:17 AM

What happened to 23 million voters?

If you look at the last 4 elections, there has been a minimum of 7% voter growth each year and one year much greater. That would have put 2012 total votes at 23 million than they were. Mitt Romney actually got 3.5 million fewer votes than John McCain! Having voted in both elections I find that stunning. In 2008 I did not wait to vote at all. In 2012 I waited almost 2 hours.

All of the empirical evidence on the ground was for massive Republican turnout. We were up 15% in EV over 2008. GOTV was outstanding, enthusiasm was high, Romney was speaking to crowds of 30k +.

But then we underperformed 2008? If anyone thinks this is strange it is because it is.

Obama got about 10% fewer votes than 2008, and won, easily. Incomprehensible.

We are missing about 13 million Republican votes. Where are they?

mitchellvii on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Not strange just as I predicted.

The American People hate Obama but they also hate Romney.

Obama or Obama lite. No real choice no real reason to vote so they did not vote at all or like me they voted for neither version of Obama.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I heard a bunch of people in New York celebrating, mostly black. These people are absolutely clueless. Clueless. Screaming and cheering like a bunch of morons. Even worse that most of them support Obama as highly as they do, because of his race.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Apologies to the good conservative people of New York and New Jersey, but as far as the rest of them, I hope this Nor’easter inflicts maximum damage to as many as possible of the kind of people that you describe above.

F___ them, let them suffer and wait for 0bama to come to their rescue. They are going to be waiting a long time. He’ll be busy shooting hoops in Chicago with his celebrity friends.

UltimateBob on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The one positive thing I got out of this election:

My kid has been scoffing at going to college even though his tuition, room & board and books have been paid for. Now he understands that he will not find a job for the next four years so he is embracing a college education. He begins the application process this week.

So, there is always a ray of sunshine to be found somewhere. Right?

Key West Reader on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 AM

How telling is it about our country, when a man who has not improved the country, ran one of the most negative, dirty campaigns ever (with help from media), was re-elected. He brought absolutely NOTHING new to the table.
Seriously, a man who said his answer to the economy was more teachers was just re-elected.

Let this country burn by his actions from here on out. Only way to wake up enough people.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Im done with people like Rove and Morris. Two slimy people that get to big a voice on our side. People like them, are part of the problem, no matter how good they sound. They say what we want to hear, for their own benefit to their popularity. Morris can go back to Clinton for all I care.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I’m done with Hannity also although I was really done with him a long time ago. Will tune in to Rush to get his take.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I’ve crunched the numbers and crunched the numbers from this election. They simply do not make sense.

mitchellvii on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Hang in there, Scalia. Please don’t retire yet.

bluegill on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM

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