Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

Having lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, Republicans plunged Wednesday into an intense period of self-examination, blame-setting and testy debate over whether their party needs serious change or just some minor tweaks…

“The Republican Party is exactly right on the issues,” said Terry Holt, a veteran GOP strategist with close ties to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. The party mainly needs to nominate candidates who can relate to average Americans better than multimillionaire Mitt Romney did, Holt said.

Some other Republicans, however, see bigger problems. The party must shed its “absolutism on issues like tax increases,” which congressional lawmakers oppose at virtually every level, said John Ullyot, a former Republican Senate aide.

“The only way the party is going to move more to the middle is when we get sick of losing,” he said.

***

Despite spending a billion dollars on the presidential contest, despite unprecedented “ground game” efforts by more outside conservative groups than ever, despite having a president with a horrid record to run against, the Republican presidential ticket looks like it garnered even fewer votes than G. W. Bush did in 2004, when something like 15 million more people now call the United States home than just eight years ago. The wonderful Bush effort then should have been a floor, not a ceiling.

Plus, the Senate results were atrocious. Bright new conservatives lost. Foot-in-mouth conservatives lost. Establishment retreads lost. Moderates lost. Way too many people lost, even in solidly “red” states. Republicans obviously are missing something.

The whole country is in for a rough, rocky, even frightening four years. Conservatives and Republicans must refuse to break key principles — but other than that, politically speaking, we need to take a little time to reassess. We’re doing something very, very wrong, or maybe many “somethings.”

***

After supporting Mitt Romney in 2008, some of you may recall, I ran off with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie midway through Obama’s first term for precisely that reason: The near-impossibility of beating an incumbent president. Christie seemed like the kind of once-in-a-lifetime star who could pull a Reagan upset against an incumbent president.

But I was wrong. Romney was the perfect candidate, and he was the president this country needed right now. It’s less disheartening that a president who wrecked American health care, quadrupled gas prices, added $6 trillion to the national debt and gave us an 8 percent unemployment rate can squeak out re-election than that America will never have Romney as our president.

Indeed, Romney is one of the best presidential candidates the Republicans have ever fielded. Blaming the candidate may be fun, but it’s delusional and won’t help us avoid making the same mistakes in the future.

***

Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots said Romney failed to make the kind of strong case for conservatism that would have won the election.

She described Romney as a “weak, moderate candidate hand-picked by the country club elite Republican establishment.”

“They didn’t see a clear distinction so they went with what they know,” she said of voters.

“It should have been a landslide if Romney had run as a true conservative,” said Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center.

***

Blame for this debacle is widely shared. Mitt Romney made many mistakes in this campaign. Yet with the exception of his failure to press the case against Obamacare — a failure partly explained but not excused by his own record on health care — those mistakes reflected party-wide decisions. The party hasn’t kept up with the political technologies Democrats are using. More important, Republicans from the top to the bottom of the ticket did little to make the case that conservative policies would make the broad mass of the public better off. It wasn’t a theme of the convention in Tampa, for example, or a consistent theme in Republican ads.

Most of the post-election discussion, we can predict, will dwell on the predictable demographic divides of sex, race, and age. Most of this conversation will be unproductive. Until conservatives devise a domestic agenda, and a way to sell it, that links small-government principles to attractive results, they are going to have a hard time improving their standing with women, Latinos, white men, or young people. And conservatives would be deeply unwise to count on the mere availability of charismatic young conservative officials to make up for that problem.

***

I’ve been saying for years that the GOP has run tax cuts out as a campaign plank–indeed, they’re now over the cliff and about to plunge while Roadrunner chortles. They’ve lost on gay marriage, and they seem to have a penchant for running their mouth about rape. The decline in the proportion of married women in the electorate hurts, since single women are much more supportive of a large welfare state than are their married sisters. So does the growth of the latino vote. They’re going to eventually face defense cuts which will make the hawks madder than hell. And they’ve now nominated two candidates who have put forward almost nothing that couldn’t be found in Reagan’s 1980 platform. The party desperately needs some new ideas to sell to the American public.

But I am highly skeptical that last night means they’ve gone into some sort of permanent decline. It was a close election in which Obama lost states that he carried in 2012. The Democratic bench is very weak–the current leading candidates to succeed Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, will be 69 and 74 in 2016. And Obama is going to have to preside over some very, very tough choices. We can’t borrow a trillion dollars a year for another four years. Nor can we get all the money from Republican constituencies; they just don’t have enough of the stuff. Whoever’s ox Obama chooses to gore will probably be a considerably less enthusiastic coalition member come 2016.

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The morning after, everybody was saying that the Republican Party was in deep trouble: too much Tea Party; too few minorities, young people, and women. Don’t be so sure. In 2016, the Republican nominee will almost certainly be more dynamic and charming onstage than Romney, and the Democratic nominee will almost certainly be less inspiring than Obama. The economy, one hopes, will be better than it is now, and that will mean that voters’ natural impulse to look for government’s help during times of trouble will be reduced. The country won’t be mired in an unpopular Republican-originated war. In this campaign, Obama devoted most of his energies to making a case against Romney, not to building public support for his and his party’s agenda, and now a closely divided Washington will almost certainly deny him the chance to build a policy case for the next Democratic nominee. The Republicans will take every opportunity to build an argument that the Democrats are wild over-taxers and over-spenders, without letting them tax for and spend on programs that would obviously build gratitude and loyalty among middle-class voters.

Romney’s performance shows us the baseline level of what the national Republican apparatus, when fully funded and motivated, can achieve—and, compared to 2008, that level is rising.

***

“We need a third party to save this country,” Cain told American Family Radio host Bryan Fischer. “This country is in trouble and it is clear that neither party — is going to fix the problems we face.”

Cain agreed with Fischer’s assessment that conservatives are growing tired of being ignored by Republican party leadership — and that many believe the GOP no longer speaks for them…

He said the new party could be made up of not only disenfranchised Republicans — but also Democrats.

***

“He had a serious plan for fixing real problems. He concentrated on jobs, that was the important issue. He concentrated on the economy, we have more than 8% unemployment. People are suffering, the country is in disarray. If Mitt Romney cannot win in this economy, then the tipping point has been reached. We have more takers than makers and it’s over. There is no hope.”

***

“I went to bed last night thinking we are outnumbered,” Limbaugh concluded. “I went to bed last night thinking we’ve lost the country. I don’t know how else you look at this.”

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so now we’ll hear till the end of the year that the gop has to compromise because dear leader won…they will have to cave to everything obama wants…

hope that stand strong but with the same squishes running the house, i don’t know…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 5:52 AM

You are using notional values which count every risk multiple times – because they all cross-insure their risks.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM

Why don’t you go over to the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, and the US federal government and tell them how they all got it wrong, and dazzle them with your brilliance.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM

An for those who want to give up and despair: Remember that the movement started with a defeat. The defeat of Barry Goldwater was much more devastating than what we suffered tuesday night and conservatives did not give up.

Christopher Hitchens once commented on the conservative movement:

The people you mention, who were in the – actually Mr. Buckley is one of them – who were in the Goldwater campaign, have benefited more from ironies of history than anybody else. Because by deciding that this would not teach them that they should dilute their ideology, that rather it should teach them to guard it and conserve it more bravely and that the consensus is something not to be bowed to, but to be shaped, they won and deserve political victory.

True and we didnt lose that toughness. So keep calm and beat the sh!t out of the Left!

Valkyriepundit on November 8, 2012 at 5:56 AM

mika thanking the gop for giving them akin and murdock and for bashing christie

shut up

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 AM

the problem for the gop is substance
-john heileman

what???

from the folks who have no integrity and rather go negative than talk about issues

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:09 AM

don’t blame me for this loss, i told you what the gop needed to do to win this election
-morning joe

his smug self

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:15 AM

its funny the lsm tells us what the gop should do and EVEN if we did what they said they would lambast us….

absolutely frustrating…

gop do not listen to them…YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THE LSM TO LIKE YOU…period…fight them, fight them EVERYDAY….stand up to them, talk back them to ala john sununu…he came out just fine

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 AM

so now we’ll hear till the end of the year that the gop has to compromise because dear leader won…they will have to cave to everything obama wants…

hope that stand strong but with the same squishes running the house, i don’t know…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 5:52 AM

I am of two minds abut this. Part me says to stay strong and fight. But there is another side that suggests we just give them everything they want…punitive taxation and unregulated spending. Let it all collapse and maybe then we can start to rebuild.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Morning cmsinaz. I have an early work schedule this morning, but just had to pop in and say I don’t know HOW you can stand it. MSNBC is off my cable box forever, or at least for the next four years.

Marcus on November 8, 2012 at 6:30 AM

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 AM

yup

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:30 AM

Marcus on November 8, 2012 at 6:30 AM

Morning-
I think this is the last time for me as well, just too intolerable …will just wait until the next time Ed gets another segment

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM

i can’t bear to watch morning joe today.

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 6:24 AM

It’s beyond our control. They don’t need us to give it to them. They won the election and they are going to take it.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:33 AM

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM

it’s bad…turning it off myself
no more replay

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:34 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:34 AM

I’m sticking with CNBC in the AM. If you want a front row seat to watch the bonfire of our nation that’s the place to find it. Yesterday’s market decline was just the beginning. To anyone with a 401k, now is the time to move in to cash or the safest asset class you have available to you. I see a double digit move down from here.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 AM

To anyone with a 401k, now is the time to move in to cash or the safest asset class you have available to you. I see a double digit move down from here.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 AM

don’t you lose a lot of it if you transfer?

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 AM

will check it out…i watch larry kudlow from time to time in the pm…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM

if you stay within the company, i think you are ok (if you are under 59 1/2

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:42 AM

checking out the top of drudge…is al sharpton flying down to mississippi?

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:43 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM

You’re not alone, ma’am. My take.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 6:45 AM

It’s beyond our control. They don’t need us to give it to them. They won the election and they are going to take it.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:33 AM

We will have one party rule for a generation, or more.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 6:49 AM

You’re not alone, ma’am. My take.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Excellent take KJ…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:51 AM

don’t you lose a lot of it if you transfer?

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM

I don’t the specifics of your plan. When I was in a 401k you could rebalance your holdings at no cost. You were limited to changing allocations to once every month or 3 months or something like that.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 6:51 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:51 AM

Thank you, ma’am! Yesterday’s was read in 12 countries by 565 people. Not too shabby.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 6:53 AM

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 6:53 AM

that is AWESOME…

way to go KJ

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM

It’s not me, darlin’. It’s good folks like you who choose to read my missives, and whatever words the Author sends to my feeble little mind. Thank you, again.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Easy summation of this thread: We’re scroomed.

Who is John Galt on November 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Romney won for one simple reason – the media.

The media repeated Obama’s heinous lies over and over again and did their level best to distort Romney’s policies, to the point that Twitchy has a story today up on women who were stockpiling birth control pills in case Romney won!

The media covered for Obama on scandal after scandal which would have brought down any other administration- Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra.

Just look at the video HA posted a few weeks ago about college students at an Obama rally being asked about the death of Ambassador Stevens. Virtually none of them had even heard of it.

If that had happened on Bush’s watch, you can guarantee that it would have been front and centre on every newspaper and TV broadcast for weeks.

Too many people in America depend on a lying, corrupt media for information. Until that changes, Democrats will continue to lie about their own agenda and that of Republicans- and millions of people will believe it. The media has become the propaganda arm of the Democrat party.

Breitbart once said something along the lines that Democrats weren’t the enemy, the media is- because if the media was doing its job, Democrats wouldn’t stand a chance in elections.

Here’s your proof- unemployment is worse than when Obama took office, the national debt is $16 trillion, he’s running trillion dollar deficits every year, Democrats refuse to even create a budget any more, social security and medicare are bankrupt, the entire nation is speeding towards a total economic collapse…and Obama soundly beats the only two men who have a plan to do anything about it. It’s utter insanity.

Jay Mac on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 AM

Obviously, that should read- “Obama won for one simple reason”

Must preview comments in future!

Jay Mac on November 8, 2012 at 7:09 AM

We have no media to trust. We can’t trust Hot Air or others similar. tough days.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM

When reading the comments from Bob Michaels…I mean John Boehner’s close associate…I have a different idea. Run a conservative next time like Marco Rubio. all of the stars of the Republican Party were elected against the establishment Republicans Rubio, Paul, Cruz..

Second point, Texas, you finally have a decent senator in Cruz. John Cornyn is the Weakest senior senator from the great state of Texas in its history, he is the Rick Perry debater every day and should retire and let someone good take his place, Texas needs to wield its mighty power and step up big time.

The issues that will win for Republicans are not any of the issues Allahpundit mentions, she is dead wrong. the path to victory is what Rubio said, “Why would you want to adopt the policies of the countries you left to come here?” Get the Indians in northern Virginia Fairfax county, the Asians, the Latin Americans.

It is critical to continue to be the party of life because it is simply immoral to let 2 million children a year perish, we have to stand firm for our principles, they are right and worth defending no matter what.

Please fortify yourself with economic arguments by watching the Free to Choose videos on YouTube with Milton Friedman, and let us all work on creating a library of Reader’s Digest stories of ObamaCare nightmares, Government intrusions into personal liberty, small businesses being squeezed by environmental regulations, and children in failing government run schools unable to get a decent education in minority dem run localities.

A huge weakness of Republican ideas is the lack of personal stories, examples, and connection to real people and how their liberty is being thwarted,

Conservatives also need more information on successful Republican Governors, school choice success like Floyd Flakes schools in NY, and spotlighting of charitable non governmental and faith based success stories like the upcoming Angel Tree giving at Prison Fellowship Ministries and the many efforts of faith based groups to battle malaria and provision of disaster relief.

Blogs like this are often a sterile, impersonal, and thin expression of the full range of efforts that constitute a conservative lifestyle in action.

timoric on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Well said Jay Mac

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 7:13 AM

Still sick to my stomach over this. The LONG build-up and the quick, cruel ending. So much anticipation for a day that came and went in a flash. Everything STILL feels like daze. If only John Roberts hadn’t switched his Obamacare vote, or if only Republicans had retained their seats and picked up more, then the Obama win might have been a tiny bit easier to stomach.

I feel very proud of Mitt, though, and know he would have made an excellent president.

Anyway, I am giving myself only two days to really mourn the results. Will always be disappointed, but see no point in dwelling on negative emotions for too long.

And I am hopeful about 2014 and 2016. I know there are millions of voters out there who feel as I do about the recent election results and who have no intention of throwing in the towel.

Also, thank you to all of you who have taken the time to post links to related stories to keep the rest of us informed. I learn so much just from the comment sections.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 AM

We have too many blowhards that don’t know when to shut up.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM

I agree with anyone who says that we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now if Christie hadn’t thrown that lifeline to 0dumba with Sandy. Because of that reason, among others, I also agree with anyone who says that 0dumba didn’t win because of an outright rejection of Conservatism i.e. were all of those idiotic voters, who were persuaded to vote for 0dumba because he made them feel like he cared about them during his photo-op with Christie, necessarily lovers and embracers of socialism? I don’t believe so.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Seems like some lurkers have gone back to active posting…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Jay Mac on November 8, 2012 at 7:08 AM

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Exactly.

But when I was a yute, we called it Propaganda- not “media”-

All this flailing and gnashing about what happened- who to blame is just stupid.

You CANNOT defeat the “media”. We well never see 2 more qualified people running from our side – ever again.

We all know wether we want to admit it or not- the Propaganda Machine CANNOT be beaten.

The window has been closed.
Hold onto your hat.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 7:25 AM

And I am hopeful about 2014 and 2016. I know there are millions of voters out there who feel as I do about the recent election results and who have no intention of throwing in the towel.

Also, thank you to all of you who have taken the time to post links to related stories to keep the rest of us informed. I learn so much just from the comment sections.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:17 AM

2014 will probably be okay.. I’m not sure about 2016 ’cause seriously our field sucks big time – As in the first term Senator who has been in the Senate for two years and done nothing is considered the designated Presidential nominee.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 AM

We lost because Obama and the Democrats have a political machine to match what they built in Chicago, thats it. It doesn’t work and stagnation, decay, and conflict are the near future. The reality is that the lefts policy will be 2-3 trillion dollar deficits and increased government interventionism to solve problems created by too much government. And when it starts to fall apart, they will sing the praises of high inflation as one last throw of the dice and that will be that.

rob verdi on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 AM

I agree with Ann. We have reached the tipping point and no turning back. I believe 8% unemployment is the new norm.

mrscullen on November 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:25 AM

No kiddin’.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 7:29 AM

I think we should be given minority status. I want some stuff.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:30 AM

timoric on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Excellent points about the need to personalize the debate with more stories/examples of how their liberty is at risk. The “heartless, doesn’t care about the average person” label that has been effectively and unfairly plastered across the conservative/Republican brand is killing us and needs to be ripped away.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:32 AM

The future dem Playbook…. character assassination, issues be da*ned

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 7:32 AM

No kiddin’.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Strange, isn’t it? A lot of the newb regulars seem to have checked out of the QOTD thread as well…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Stories about liberty don’t matter when most people think you are trying to take away their liberty. Today, liberty means a possession. People think of their phones and food stamps like gune owners do their guns.

The only way we win is if we get someone who has a big personality(but not scary) or they don’t have that at all.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Im not a big participator in commenting on stuff, but for the past 4 to 5 years I have been heavy into listening, reading, lurking anything and everything about politics. Hot Air has always been a favorite site of mine, and I like many others got my doses of people like Rush, Levin, and even Beck.

I need a break. I dont think I can take another 4 years like the last. 4 years of seeing Obama and Dems say and do just about anything they wanted. No matter how vile, arrogant, rude, or corrupt. They got away with it.

Im sick of seeing and hearing Obama. I can not take another 4 years of the rock star President, going on talk shows and the like. Seeing clips of him every other day. Seeing stories of his parties and vacations and golf outings. I cant not take another 4 years of his _____ wife. Sometimes I despise her more because I think behind that smile, is an angry hateful woman when she doesnt get her way.

SO I think for a long while, I need to just stay away from all this. No more constant reading of Drudge, sites like this, or even listening to talk radio. Nothing will change. Obama and the Dems will do what they do, the media will of course help them out all along the way. It is too frustrating, especially after a loss that should have been an easy win.

bucsox79 on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:34 AM

It’s like they came here for the election…for whatever purpose, paid or unpaid, and now, poof. They’re gone.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM

I agree with Ann. We have reached the tipping point and no turning back. I believe 8% unemployment is the new norm.

mrscullen on November 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM

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No doubt.
But another tipping point has been reached – and that is the so called “media”. Benghazi is just the latest example of how they have the control to shape the reality. Sure they will lay low for 3 years- but the Pravda communist who control the American Media have the power.

We delude ourselves thinking any other outcome from the Empty suit Marxist getting 4 more years was possible. I was in that boat- until yesterday morning.

The tipping point in the media, which probably started about 15 years with Clinton , has been completed. In that regard, we are already Europe- with even a little more dishonesty I believe.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:26 AM

I think I have seen you write that our 2016 presidential field “sucks big time” at least 20 times on this site. It is no big deal, but I just wonder what you get out of writing that same thing over and over and over. You seem far too quick to dismiss potential candidates, many of whom are extremely impressive and have the potential to be formidable presidential candidates.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Causing Touré To Tourette All Over

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/11/causing-toure-to-tourette-all-over.html

M2RB: Rose Royce, England 2003

Resist We Much on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Maybe the new folks are still recovering. It’s hard to get let down this hard without some recouping time. I know that’s the way has been for me. And then comes the blame game, I guess we need to go through it but it seems so harsh.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Man, look at all that money in Hollywood and in sports teams.
Mmm…mmm…mmm.
Do they really need more than, let’s say, $250,000 a year to live on?
I think that some people need to be paying their fair share.

justltl on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

OC, if you are interested, I can give you a link to my friend’s Fox News stream, but I have to do it privately.

I didn’t ask you this before, but were you interested in those other streaming links I have? I’ll post them right here if you are.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

What.. Because said candidate speaks Spanish and has a darker skin tone and can give pretty speeches. Sorry, this isn’t the D party. And I feel entitled to sulk for the next four years.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

I just don’t understand how people can change their minds so quickly. I mean why would a hurricane or a hug make you change your vote.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Diva- Please, don’t run through your list of why each of them sucks again, though. Hehe. I was just curious what you got out of being so vocal about your pessimism all the time.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

We are going through the 5 different stages of grief.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Ok, I see. Missed your comment.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Maybe the new folks are still recovering. It’s hard to get let down this hard without some recouping time. I know that’s the way has been for me. And then comes the blame game, I guess we need to go through it but it seems so harsh.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

I like your attitude, Cindy.

I can’t stand the blame game myself. However, that isn’t to say I’m against giving credit and blame where they are due.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 7:48 AM

On the other hand, politicians need to make about $2,000,000 per year- as long as it’s very public knowledge.

Alinsky swings both ways.

justltl on November 8, 2012 at 7:49 AM

bucsox79 on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM

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Kinda like doing battle with windmills. The 47 million people,( errr 46.7 million – forgot factcheck.org called Mitt out on that ” lie”) but the 46.7 million receiving food stamps is a growing constituency – and will never want that dependency to be questioned. These people are never going to be reached by Reps.

The story of this election was that the socialist Dems were able to get more of these enfranchised citizens to buy the propaganda and get off their ass and vote.

Only an economic depression can wake Americans up from this entitlement dependency…..and even then I may be just trying to convince myself there is any shred of responsibility left in these people.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 AM

I wrestle with the notion that the fall of this great country was inevitable. I guess it was given human nature. I am sorry I lived long enough to see it. Alas, the grasshoppers won. Sucks to be one of the ants.

doctormom on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Maybe the new folks are still recovering. It’s hard to get let down this hard without some recouping time. I know that’s the way has been for me. And then comes the blame game, I guess we need to go through it but it seems so harsh.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Yeh, we had the experience of being here in 2008…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 AM

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 7:47 AM

I think acceptance should be shared with protection. Do the best we can to protect ourselves from the possibilities. I don’t want to be one of those people who says the sky is falling because my guy didn’t win but either the math doesn’t work or someone buys a clue and actually does his job this time around.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:52 AM

I just don’t understand how people can change their minds so quickly. I mean why would a hurricane or a hug make you change your vote.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

I suggest that you think about average person in the US, his or her political awareness and sophistication, IQ, and emotional maturity level!

We are becoming more infantilized as a nation, and we as Conservatives need to come together to learn to counteract that truth better.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 7:54 AM

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Yeah, we did. I actually think I am more surprised this time. I prepared myself but I just don’t understand how our circumstances over that last four years is an argument for four more. But I did heed the “so close” calls enough not to be completely taken in. Add that to still being confused how he could have gotten elected in the first place and I was half way prepared.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:55 AM

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

I don’t think those people changed their minds. They were going to vote for him anyway, they just rationalized it.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:56 AM

I think it is harder because a lot of people who really do care, put a lot of work in to this election. We feel anger toward a lot of people not just our leadership. We will rise above it after some grumbling, but our trust level just went down a ton.

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 7:57 AM

OC, if you are interested, I can give you a link to my friend’s Fox News stream, but I have to do it privately.

I didn’t ask you this before, but were you interested in those other streaming links I have? I’ll post them right here if you are.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Please email me at omahaconservative@yahoo.com

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:57 AM

The thing about GW Bush during the campaigns and after he won each time was that he seemed respectful of his opponents. He always seemed to go out of his way to not question someone’s motives when they disagreed with him. I remember when he showed so much compassion and decency towards Cindy Sheehan, for example, even while the anti-war protesters accused him of being Hitler and all the rest of it.

Obama has none of Bush’s decency. The way that Obama personally sneered at the tea party, rather than acknowledge their sincere concerns, the way he called Romney a BSer and constantly showed nothing but contempt for his conservative critics tells me all I need to know about that man.

And the sickest part of all is that the media portrays Obama as just the greatest, hippest guy.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:57 AM

You’re not alone, ma’am. My take.

kingsjester on November 8, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Great post. Those two women are the best.

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 7:58 AM

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:55 AM

I agree with all you say. Thanks for the insights.

Even my husband now says we need to start stockpiling basic supplies. That is something, coming from him.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Add that to still being confused how he could have gotten elected in the first place and I was half way prepared.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Not to mention the ’10 midterm election tidal wave…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Spot on bluegill@7:57

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 8:00 AM

And the sickest part of all is that the media portrays Obama as just the greatest, hippest guy.

bluegill on November 8, 2012 at 7:57 AM

I am waiting for the ‘revenge’ we were promised.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 8:01 AM

Hoosierpa and I were just discussing the media yesterday. It’s time to stand up to them…..we are BREITBART! Like with the Lockheed lay-offs (the ones they buried until after the election……in VA). We need to find things like this (the opportunities are endless with the WON) and get the info to some YOUNG journalists! The heart of the problem is the media and reaching the youth and low infos.

hoosierma on November 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM

I do have to throw something out there about Romney’s concession speech. I did not like it one bit. Now was not a time to be gracious. Sorry, but gracious losers sometimes are the biggest losers, when it comes to something as important as this.

There was plenty for him to say to forewarn what is coming while still not sounding to mean about it. He should have called out that Obama has been a horrible leader, a great divider, and unless that changes, nothing else will change. Reid is already doing what he does best, ready to create chaos. Romney, failed in his speech. This was too important of an election to hardly say anything of substance in that speech. Either you believed in what you were running for or you didnt. If you did believe in what was at stake, you should have stood up and said so after losing.

Great, everyone in the media was glowing about how gracious you were. The same media that spit on you for months and months.

bucsox79 on November 8, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Yeh, we had the experience of being here in 2008…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 AM

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This is much worse because we all know the reality now.

In 2008 you had the 1st black president hill to climb. We assumed then, we were getting screwed by the propagandists who run this country- but there was always that racial thing.

In 2016 were going to have the 1st woman president hill to climb. Outcome will be similar.

In 2012 the reality has set in.

We’re truly the minority now.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Its all about skin color…sorry but thats the way it is, demographics changing. No more white people.

royzer on November 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

I am waiting for the ‘revenge’ we were promised.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 8:01 AM

You’ll see it in your wallet, or at the gas station, or in the grocery store, or in any other store for that matter. You’ll also see it at work. Many have seen their insurance premiums go up … they’ll go up more, or if you have employer based insurance they may drop it altogether.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

I wonder if people who think Obama is so “hip” are prepared for his second term not to be successful. Are they so rich that they will be insulated and are they so poor that they are used to depending on others?

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM

I wanna see the “post election” unemployment numbers

royzer on November 8, 2012 at 8:06 AM

Even my husband now says we need to start stockpiling basic supplies. That is something, coming from him.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM

I was weeding out my pantry just yesterday. I am going to stocking in some non perishables and making sure that I rotate.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Probably some of both…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 8:07 AM

We’re truly the minority now.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

I don’t believe that. Too many people are simply uninformed. The media is very powerful and Republicans simply don’t understand that they need to spell it out for people. They need to challenge every lie by the democrats and media loudly and ferociously. They need to point blank call them socialists, liars and thieves.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Tea Party Declares #WAR on GOP Establishment

I think I’m in.

Fallon on November 8, 2012 at 8:10 AM

bucsox79 on November 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM

You put that very well. I became interested in all this during the Clarence Thomas hearings, so I don’t think this little “bump in the road” is enough to cure me! I have been thinking, however, that much of what I spent my time on the past few years has been a complete waste of time. Coming here isn’t one of them though, because I learn a lot of helpful information from everyone here.

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 8:11 AM

I wonder if people who think Obama is so “hip” are prepared for his second term not to be successful. Are they so rich that they will be insulated and are they so poor that they are used to depending on others?

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM

I think many Obama supporters didn’t really think he would win. Some are very subdued because I believe deep down they know they are screwed. They have plunged a knife deep into America. Whether the wound is fatal only time can tell.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Tea Party Declares #WAR on GOP Establishment

I think I’m in.

Fallon on November 8, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Wouldn’t it be better to declare war on the left and media?

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 AM

The morning after, everybody was saying that the Republican Party was in deep trouble: too much Tea Party; too few minorities, young people, and women. Don’t be so sure. In 2016, the Republican nominee will almost certainly be more dynamic and charming onstage than Romney, and the Democratic nominee will almost certainly be less inspiring than Obama. The economy, one hopes, will be better than it is now, and that will mean that voters’ natural impulse to look for government’s help during times of trouble will be reduced. The country won’t be mired in an unpopular Republican-originated war. In this campaign, Obama devoted most of his energies to making a case against Romney, not to building public support for his and his party’s agenda, and now a closely divided Washington will almost certainly deny him the chance to build a policy case for the next Democratic nominee. The Republicans will take every opportunity to build an argument that the Democrats are wild over-taxers and over-spenders, without letting them tax for and spend on programs that would obviously build gratitude and loyalty among middle-class voters.

Four years from now the economy will be in shambles and we will be 22 trillion in debt.

Republican initiated wars were in fact initiated by Islamists. Four years from now the Middle East will be in flames.

Romney/Ryan were not only the only ones with a plan, they were the best this country has to offer. Why were they rejected? Were they rejected because they were not sexy enough. Who in their right mind would prefer a failed socialist over a man with superior academic credentials and a lifetime of phenomenal success in the business world?

Obama received 9 million fewer votes. He won because a lot of people who supported McCain didn’t show up for Mitt. I think we need better information but as of now I think conservatives preferred to sit it out rather than vote for someone they regarded as impure. I think they have been debased along with the general public who believe Republicans initiated the wars in the Middle East and that Muslim outreach will solve that problem.

Basilsbest on November 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Those things have already started. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

esr1951 on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 AM

Okay HotAirLib has GOT to go.

We need to start our GOTV efforts now. There should be no reason why every single home in every single state isn’t contacted in person and/or by phone in the next election. How do we do that?

gophergirl on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 AM

You put that very well. I became interested in all this during the Clarence Thomas hearings, so I don’t think this little “bump in the road” is enough to cure me! I have been thinking, however, that much of what I spent my time on the past few years has been a complete waste of time. Coming here isn’t one of them though, because I learn a lot of helpful information from everyone here.

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 8:11 AM

I dont mean to put down this site, Im not. I like it. Its just that, as you said, I almost feel like the time and effort I put in, as I did volunteer and try to do my part to get the word out on different things, was a big waste. We can not defeat a party with no morals and a powerful media/hollywood that aides them. Ill probably still continue to be involved and visit this site, but some things are just going to be that more frustrating to read and see. Because no matter how bad it is, I know the media will do its part and cover up and aide and abed. My outrage and attempt to do my part could very well be as futile as it was over the last four years. It really infuriates me to see so many things happen that most people never hear about, or to see a person like Obama and Reid be openly despicable and rude and lie, and are never called out for it.

bucsox79 on November 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM

I don’t think those people changed their minds. They were going to vote for him anyway, they just rationalized it.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 7:56 AM

I disagree.

If the election had been held a week before Sandy hit, do you believe the vote totals would have been identical? How about if it had been held before the first debate? Many politically unaffliated people’s minds do change rather easily.

I think you are underestimating the emotionalism and fickleness of unsophisticated undecideds – while not all, I think a number of them would have sat out the election, or voted for Mitt, if Christie hadn’t been such a dumb@ss.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I was weeding out my pantry just yesterday. I am going to stocking in some non perishables and making sure that I rotate.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 8:07 AM

I went on one of those “food insurance” websites last night. It’s good for 25 years and you don’t have to rotate it. LOL! It is very expensive and it made me feel kind of like a drama queen to even think about it, but I think it might make me feel a little better to have it around. If I don’t use it I can always leave it to my daughter in my will!

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Wouldn’t it be better to declare war on the left and media?

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 8:13 AM

I can multitask and there’s enough #WAR to go around. Plank in our own eye and all that…

Fallon on November 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Please email me at omahaconservative@yahoo.com

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Got it! I’ll send you the link shortly.

Anti-Control on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Was that the one Rush & Laura Ingraham promote?

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 8:22 AM

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