Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

Having lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, Republicans plunged Wednesday into an intense period of self-examination, blame-setting and testy debate over whether their party needs serious change or just some minor tweaks…

“The Republican Party is exactly right on the issues,” said Terry Holt, a veteran GOP strategist with close ties to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. The party mainly needs to nominate candidates who can relate to average Americans better than multimillionaire Mitt Romney did, Holt said.

Some other Republicans, however, see bigger problems. The party must shed its “absolutism on issues like tax increases,” which congressional lawmakers oppose at virtually every level, said John Ullyot, a former Republican Senate aide.

“The only way the party is going to move more to the middle is when we get sick of losing,” he said.

***

Despite spending a billion dollars on the presidential contest, despite unprecedented “ground game” efforts by more outside conservative groups than ever, despite having a president with a horrid record to run against, the Republican presidential ticket looks like it garnered even fewer votes than G. W. Bush did in 2004, when something like 15 million more people now call the United States home than just eight years ago. The wonderful Bush effort then should have been a floor, not a ceiling.

Plus, the Senate results were atrocious. Bright new conservatives lost. Foot-in-mouth conservatives lost. Establishment retreads lost. Moderates lost. Way too many people lost, even in solidly “red” states. Republicans obviously are missing something.

The whole country is in for a rough, rocky, even frightening four years. Conservatives and Republicans must refuse to break key principles — but other than that, politically speaking, we need to take a little time to reassess. We’re doing something very, very wrong, or maybe many “somethings.”

***

After supporting Mitt Romney in 2008, some of you may recall, I ran off with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie midway through Obama’s first term for precisely that reason: The near-impossibility of beating an incumbent president. Christie seemed like the kind of once-in-a-lifetime star who could pull a Reagan upset against an incumbent president.

But I was wrong. Romney was the perfect candidate, and he was the president this country needed right now. It’s less disheartening that a president who wrecked American health care, quadrupled gas prices, added $6 trillion to the national debt and gave us an 8 percent unemployment rate can squeak out re-election than that America will never have Romney as our president.

Indeed, Romney is one of the best presidential candidates the Republicans have ever fielded. Blaming the candidate may be fun, but it’s delusional and won’t help us avoid making the same mistakes in the future.

***

Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots said Romney failed to make the kind of strong case for conservatism that would have won the election.

She described Romney as a “weak, moderate candidate hand-picked by the country club elite Republican establishment.”

“They didn’t see a clear distinction so they went with what they know,” she said of voters.

“It should have been a landslide if Romney had run as a true conservative,” said Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center.

***

Blame for this debacle is widely shared. Mitt Romney made many mistakes in this campaign. Yet with the exception of his failure to press the case against Obamacare — a failure partly explained but not excused by his own record on health care — those mistakes reflected party-wide decisions. The party hasn’t kept up with the political technologies Democrats are using. More important, Republicans from the top to the bottom of the ticket did little to make the case that conservative policies would make the broad mass of the public better off. It wasn’t a theme of the convention in Tampa, for example, or a consistent theme in Republican ads.

Most of the post-election discussion, we can predict, will dwell on the predictable demographic divides of sex, race, and age. Most of this conversation will be unproductive. Until conservatives devise a domestic agenda, and a way to sell it, that links small-government principles to attractive results, they are going to have a hard time improving their standing with women, Latinos, white men, or young people. And conservatives would be deeply unwise to count on the mere availability of charismatic young conservative officials to make up for that problem.

***

I’ve been saying for years that the GOP has run tax cuts out as a campaign plank–indeed, they’re now over the cliff and about to plunge while Roadrunner chortles. They’ve lost on gay marriage, and they seem to have a penchant for running their mouth about rape. The decline in the proportion of married women in the electorate hurts, since single women are much more supportive of a large welfare state than are their married sisters. So does the growth of the latino vote. They’re going to eventually face defense cuts which will make the hawks madder than hell. And they’ve now nominated two candidates who have put forward almost nothing that couldn’t be found in Reagan’s 1980 platform. The party desperately needs some new ideas to sell to the American public.

But I am highly skeptical that last night means they’ve gone into some sort of permanent decline. It was a close election in which Obama lost states that he carried in 2012. The Democratic bench is very weak–the current leading candidates to succeed Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, will be 69 and 74 in 2016. And Obama is going to have to preside over some very, very tough choices. We can’t borrow a trillion dollars a year for another four years. Nor can we get all the money from Republican constituencies; they just don’t have enough of the stuff. Whoever’s ox Obama chooses to gore will probably be a considerably less enthusiastic coalition member come 2016.

***

The morning after, everybody was saying that the Republican Party was in deep trouble: too much Tea Party; too few minorities, young people, and women. Don’t be so sure. In 2016, the Republican nominee will almost certainly be more dynamic and charming onstage than Romney, and the Democratic nominee will almost certainly be less inspiring than Obama. The economy, one hopes, will be better than it is now, and that will mean that voters’ natural impulse to look for government’s help during times of trouble will be reduced. The country won’t be mired in an unpopular Republican-originated war. In this campaign, Obama devoted most of his energies to making a case against Romney, not to building public support for his and his party’s agenda, and now a closely divided Washington will almost certainly deny him the chance to build a policy case for the next Democratic nominee. The Republicans will take every opportunity to build an argument that the Democrats are wild over-taxers and over-spenders, without letting them tax for and spend on programs that would obviously build gratitude and loyalty among middle-class voters.

Romney’s performance shows us the baseline level of what the national Republican apparatus, when fully funded and motivated, can achieve—and, compared to 2008, that level is rising.

***

“We need a third party to save this country,” Cain told American Family Radio host Bryan Fischer. “This country is in trouble and it is clear that neither party — is going to fix the problems we face.”

Cain agreed with Fischer’s assessment that conservatives are growing tired of being ignored by Republican party leadership — and that many believe the GOP no longer speaks for them…

He said the new party could be made up of not only disenfranchised Republicans — but also Democrats.

***

“He had a serious plan for fixing real problems. He concentrated on jobs, that was the important issue. He concentrated on the economy, we have more than 8% unemployment. People are suffering, the country is in disarray. If Mitt Romney cannot win in this economy, then the tipping point has been reached. We have more takers than makers and it’s over. There is no hope.”

***

“I went to bed last night thinking we are outnumbered,” Limbaugh concluded. “I went to bed last night thinking we’ve lost the country. I don’t know how else you look at this.”

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Next time, I shouldn’t assume. You being a bit more descriptive might help, too…

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:14 AM

its funny how quickly people forget about the massive defeat of Obama in 2010. I blame the GOpe for not using tha t information for the last two years. In fact the GOPe did everything in their power to bury that information and attack the tea party sums up in my mind why we lost in 2012

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

What Lies Beneath…

Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars
Bank of America has a derivative exposure of $50.135 Trillion dollars
Citibank has a derivative exposure of $52.102 Trillion dollars.
JP Morgan Chase has a derivative exposure of $70.151 Trillion dollars.

9 Biggest Banks’ Derivative Exposure – $228.72 Trillion

US GDP $15.1 Trillion

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:25 AM

2010 was a massive landslide. Historic. And then we got off the horse that brung it and went for a Rhino ride.

Now I didn’t say RINO. I meant the animal Rhino with the horn.

SparkPlug on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 AM

I concede that point!..:)

PS..We are out numbered!..Is it not obvious??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

You keeping on topic might help as well.

Jesse on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

The risk-adverse engineer says “have you thought about…” and then all hell break lose…:-)

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM

You’re picking a job path that looks more than promising since the industry will only see demand rise as the economy improves. I was just driving between Chicago and Indianapolis this summer and saw a couple billboards advertising open trucking jobs, so clearly there’s demand.

Your biggest concern may be the arthritis. Semi truck seats aren’t designed by orthopedists and can place stress on your lower back and legs. If you want to get a feel for what that’s like, head to a local truck dealership and ask a salesman to let you sit in a few cabs.

bayam on November 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

SparkPlug on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 AM
Who is scrumpy?

BoxHead1 on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

It’s late. I’m sure I read and love scrumpy. I’m really p*off about the election. I know it’s all for a reason but I’m still p(*&)(*

BoxHead1 on November 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Kraken, maybe you can contact Bechtel. I know a physicist that retired and then worked from his computer from home via a secure cable line. The cable service and the computer were provided by the employer so you shouldn’t have to worry about those costs.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:21 AM

Hmmm, tempting. I think I’ll hold this in my back pocket for now. Not it’s not a good idea, it’s just that I’m back in the stress world that I really didn’t mind leaving.

Thanks for that suggestion, flicker.

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Impressive number that 700. I am sure it helps out John a lot…

Jesse on November 8, 2012 at 3:20 AM

It is avery impressive number. A number not seen in generations and if John would have used that fact it would have helped him. Instead John decided to attack those that won him the speakership and cave to Obama so that the gravy train could keep on going.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Alright everyone. I gotta get to bed. Goodnight everyone. Hope it all works out for you Kraken. :)

Jesse on November 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

9 Biggest Banks’ Derivative Exposure – $228.72 Trillion

US GDP $15.1 Trillion

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:25 AM

But if I close my eyes it goes away.

Watch.

See?

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Night Owl on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Exactly

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

2010 was a massive landslide. Historic. And then we got off the horse that brung it and went for a Rhino ride.

Now I didn’t say RINO. I meant the animal Rhino with the horn.

SparkPlug on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

not only did the GOPe get off the horse they turned around and shot it as many times as they could.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Yeah you keep throwing out that number like it was what we were even talking about. Even though it wasn’t. Keep livin’ the dream!

Jesse on November 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Indeed, Romney is one of the best presidential candidates the Republicans have ever fielded. Blaming the candidate may be fun, but it’s delusional and won’t help us avoid making the same mistakes in the future.

I sincerely believe that. Romney was EXACTLY what we needed EXACTLY when we needed it, and we threw it away. I am sad for a lot of American families that will now suffer because of this election.

crosspatch on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 AM

9 Biggest Banks’ Derivative Exposure – $228.72 Trillion

US GDP $15.1 Trillion

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:25 AM

But if I close my eyes it goes away.

Watch.

See?

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

You must be a banker!

These figures should tell you what the chances of a government bailout are if things really go south.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM

i think this is more serious than just the GOP…I’ve been reading stuff from Joel Kotkin

The middle class, we’re frequently told, decides elections. But the 2012 race has in many ways been a contest between two elites, with the plutocratic corporate class lining up behind Mitt Romney to try and reclaim its position on top of the pile from an ascendant new group—made up of the leaders of social and traditional media, the upper bureaucracy and the academy—that’s bet big on Barack Obama.

There is a growing synergy between science, academia, and these information elites. Environmental policies pushed by the scientific community not only increase specialists’ influence and funding, but also the emergent regulatory regime expands opportunities for academicians, technocrats, and professional activists. It also provides golden opportunities for corporate rent seeking, particularly among those Silicon Valley figures involved in a host of heavily subsidized “green” ventures, most famously Solyndra.

In many senses, we are seeing a “progressive” version of the unlamented John Edwards’s two Americas. Much of the U.S. is struggling, but the Clerisy has thrived. Between late 2007 and mid-2009, the number of federal workers earning at least $150,000 more than doubled.

There’s an old name for this new group of winners: the Clerisy, which British poet Samuel Coleridge defined in the 1830s as an enlightened educated class, made up of the Anglican church along with intellectuals, artists, and educators, that would school the rest of society on values and standards.

But in many ways the New Clerisy most closely resembles the First Estate in pre-revolutionary France, serving as the key organs of enforced conformity, distilling truth for the masses, seeking to regulate speech and indoctrinate youth. Most of Obama’s group serves, as Bell predicted, a “priestly function” for large portions of the population.

this.

http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/00643-despite-great-recession-obama%E2%80%99s-new-coalition-elites-has-thrived

http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/00649-racially-polarized-election-augurs-ill-barack-obama%E2%80%99s-second-term

full out tribalization…happy now leftists?

But—despite his poetic, inclusive victory speech—this alliance of people of color could create a potential tragedy for our democracy. This is not because of the final result, but because it suggests that, unless there is some massive change in GOP politics, we may see a re-hardening of politics along racial lines.

The election showed the efficacy of the new racial politics. Appeals to Latinos paid off massively, even though it may have cost the president some white votes. If Latinos remain solidly Democratic, the new racial outcasts will increasingly be middle- and working-class whites.

and of course, he’s written on barry’s crony capitalism…win, win, win..yay team

http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/00650-biggest-winners-president-obamas-re-election-crony-capitalists

lots to read, ponder. to the extent that Rs are interested in governance they should think about these things…put them in a platform…address the decline..

r keller on November 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM

We are out numbered!..Is it not obvious??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Maybe. But, should “we” swim with the tide and drown with everyone else or should we swim across the tide and thus help(enable) the dems in their agenda as the GOP leadership (cough) in DC has done or should we search the beach for a sail that will help us make it over the pounding surf?…

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Thanks, Kraken. Always happy to try to help. I still think that trucking might be the best option since it’ll keep a lot of options open. But you say you have some physical troubles, so be aware that if you have any illnesses like diabetes or hypertension, you’ll have to keep those under control to keep you CDL.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

I am sad for a lot of American families that will now suffer because of this election.

crosspatch on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 AM

Good point!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Your biggest concern may be the arthritis. Semi truck seats aren’t designed by orthopedists and can place stress on your lower back and legs. If you want to get a feel for what that’s like, head to a local truck dealership and ask a salesman to let you sit in a few cabs.

bayam on November 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

It’s more the knees and ankles. There are deep breathing and stomach constriction exercises I know how to do to relieve lower back stress, and they help to keep the gut in shape. A few years ago we rode a motorcycle from Utah to Iowa and back through South Dakota and Montana. The exercises did a great job, and the deep breathing also helped keep me awake.

But you still raise a god point about the seat design. I’m going to do some digging around and see if I can find some sort of “counter measures,” so to speak.

Thanks, bayam. I take back some of the things I’ve thought about you in the past…;-)

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Good point!..We have to change..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM

Have you seen any evidence anecdotally or in exit polls showing that the Tea Party stayed home this election? We lost because Obama turned out his base in similar numbers(percentage-wise at least) to 2008. We managed to chip away a D+7 advantage from 4 years ago only down to D+6. That’s not enough to win national elections unless we do even better with indies(Romney already won them by 5 points which ain’t bad) or start to make inroads with single women and Latinos.

The Tea Party or the GOP’s attitude toward them weren’t the problem in this election. Turnout was the issue.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 AM

Mitt got 2.3 million less votes than McCain did. Obama got about 9 million less than he did in 2008. turnout was down across the board. People stayed home. that is what happens when you degrade and snicker and tell people their vote is in the bag and their concerns will not be addressed. They stay home.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Rubio denied the NRSC leadership and is heading to Iowa in two weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/07/rubio_declines_mcconnells_request_to_run_nrsc_116094.html

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 3:38 AM

sincerely believe that. Romney was EXACTLY what we needed EXACTLY when we needed it, and we threw it away. I am sad for a lot of American families that will now suffer because of this election.

crosspatch on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 AM

The majority of voters disagreed with you.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:39 AM

Rubio denied the NRSC leadership and is heading to Iowa in two weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/07/rubio_declines_mcconnells_request_to_run_nrsc_116094.html

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 3:38 AM

hmmm. well he is a better speaker than Mitt. I hope he pounds the table some in IA and gives the GOp some backbone after their narrow loss.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:41 AM

so be aware that if you have any illnesses like diabetes or hypertension, you’ll have to keep those under control to keep you CDL.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

I used to be one of those drivers who cursed and got angry at every other drive who “wronged” me. I’m sure that and the job stress contributed a lot to my reflux. Now, I just smile and say a prayer for them. Easier on me, and good for both of us.

It’s been years since I let someone know he or she was number one…

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Just say, “I meant only people I disagree with and don’t like. I welcome everyone else’s take.” Much more honest.

Dongemaharu on November 8, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Totally wrong!!..I welcome yor posts..:)

PS..I just wonder why you show up AFTER the election??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:42 AM

yor=your

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM

The majority of voters disagreed with you.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:39 AM

And you side wth them??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Kraken, well I meant with medicines. But I used to drive so fast my wife used to cringe and try to bail out at seventy figuring, I guess, it was safer to tuck and roll. Now where I live, the max speed limit is 35 everywhere, and I’ve slowed down a lot. It does feel better.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:46 AM

The majority of voters disagreed with you.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:39 AM

And you side wth them??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Do you mean with the voters who rejected Romneycare or the ones who rejected Obamacare?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Not everyone is surrounded by females and thus are driven to be here 24/7 just to get a word in edge-wise, Dire..:)

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

well im out for the night. It appears from the converation tonight that most of the Mittbots still refuse to see the truth. moderation is the death sentence to the GOP. either stand for something or lose to everything.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:48 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Romney said he would get rid of most of obiecare..I guess you missed that..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:50 AM

How happy to be troll-free. Happy festivus, saturnalia, pastafarian seasonal holiday!

Oh, just happy, happy day. (After a crappy week.)

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:51 AM

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

LoLz..I’m sorry..My bad..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Rubio denied the NRSC leadership and is heading to Iowa in two weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/07/rubio_declines_mcconnells_request_to_run_nrsc_116094.html

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 3:38 AM

At least they’re not keeping Cornyn around. He’s been a disaster. It’s frustrating to wonder what might have been had neither he nor Michael Steele been in charge of their respective organizations in 2010.

As for Rubio, no surprise to see him in Iowa. Dude would be crazy not to start prepping a 2016 run if he has aspirations for higher office.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

And you side wth them??..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:45 AM

I sided with the majority in my state NC is now a controlled by a GOP Gov. But if Mitt was exactly the right candidate for the right time he would have won. the fact that he didn’t tells anyone who wants to listen that he wasn’t the right candidate. The right ones win the wrong ones don’t. the facts and results of the election in fact prove beyone doubt Mitt was the exact wrong candidate at the wrong time. To believe otherwise is to live in denial of reality.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Kraken, well I meant with medicines. But I used to drive so fast my wife used to cringe and try to bail out at seventy figuring, I guess, it was safer to tuck and roll. Now where I live, the max speed limit is 35 everywhere, and I’ve slowed down a lot. It does feel better.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Oh, got it. Yeah, I take something for the reflux and the arthritis, but nothing for hypertension so that shouldn’t be a problem. I’ve been lucky that I never developed anything more serious in spite of the constant worrying.

My wife used constantly slam her foot on the floor of the passenger side hoping her brake would work. Now, I’m doing it to her. Complete roll reversal. I used to be the angry one, and now, well… I try not to say anything cause she might get angry…

Is it possible to go from Type A personality to type … whatever? OK, rhetorical question.

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Wow, gotta watch those fingers…

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Do you mean with the voters who rejected Romneycare or the ones who rejected Obamacare?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Romney said he would get rid of most of obiecare..I guess you missed that..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Romney on Obamacare…So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good.

So what did I miss?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:48 AM

We are all not “Mittbotts”..:)

PS..Enjoyed it..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:54 AM

Maybe. But, should “we” swim with the tide and drown with everyone else or should we swim across the tide and thus help(enable) the dems in their agenda as the GOP leadership (cough) in DC has done or should we search the beach for a sail that will help us make it over the pounding surf?…

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM

2010 was a massive landslide. Historic. And then we got off the horse that brung it and went for a Rhino ride.

Now I didn’t say RINO. I meant the animal Rhino with the horn.

SparkPlug on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

not only did the GOPe get off the horse they turned around and shot it as many times as they could.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Look people. If you iron out and combine your metaphors or something, I’d have an easier time following you.

Something like: Riding our horses, the land slid and we found ourselves on the beach among rhinos, our horses having died. We ate them and made sails from the hides, wondering whether we should try to ride the rising tide or move from the leeward side of the island to the wind and try to use it to overcome the pounding surf. Kate Beckinsale was there in a horse-leather bikini.

See? I could have gotten that. Describes the last few years perfectly. I added that last part.

Escape from Rhino Island.

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 3:55 AM

Romney said he would get rid of most of obiecare..I guess you missed that..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Romney advisor Norm Coleman tells the moderator,

We’re not going to do repeal it. You’re not going to repeal Obamacare…

Seems pretty clear to me.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM

I think he said he would give every state a waiver..But I could be wrong..You tell me??.:):)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Kraken, age is a good thing; at least I got this far. The pain may work to our advantage, too, in the overall scheme of things.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Funny..That is not what he campaigned on..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:57 AM

Escape from Rhino Island.

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 3:55 AM

Snake Plissken? Snake is that you?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

Wow..I am defending Romney..He was not my choice..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 3:55 AM

That was… beautiful. Inspiring I actually cried.

Well, except for the bikini part.

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

I sided with the majority in my state NC is now a controlled by a GOP Gov. But if Mitt was exactly the right candidate for the right time he would have won. the fact that he didn’t tells anyone who wants to listen that he wasn’t the right candidate. The right ones win the wrong ones don’t. the facts and results of the election in fact prove beyone doubt Mitt was the exact wrong candidate at the wrong time. To believe otherwise is to live in denial of reality.

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Mitt was the right candidate at the wrong time. Too many voters still blamed Bush for the economy and liked Obama too much to fire him. Obviously some of the bloom is off the Obama rose given the decline in his popular vote total, the loss of IN and NC, and the narrow margins he carried FL, WI, OH, and VA. But he was able to maintain a high enough approval rating(thanks to the media protecting him and the Christie tongue bath) to eek out reelection.

Believe me, a year or two from now if Rasmussen or some other pollster asks voters who they’d rather have as President, don’t be surprised at all to see Romney suddenly preferred by a vast majority of the electorate. But I think Obama was the beneficiary of being graded on a generous enough curve that Mitt had a tough time overcoming that advantage.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

Wow..I am defending Romney..He was not my choice..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

lol — you really are. Where’s bluegill?

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

Romney advisor Norm Coleman tells the moderator,

We’re not going to do repeal it. You’re not going to repeal Obamacare…

Seems pretty clear to me.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Funny..That is not what he campaigned on..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:57 AM

Yeah, that is kinda funny isn’t it?
Not in a ha-ha sort of way either.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

I think he said he would give every state a waiver..But I could be wrong..You tell me??.:):)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

But then he said he’d keep the no-preexisting-conditions, however that works. And then as I recall he made very favorable comments about other aspects of Obamacare. Come to think of it, I never did really like Romney. I wanted Obama just gone and repudiated.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Kraken, age is a good thing; at least I got this far. The pain may work to our advantage, too, in the overall scheme of things.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Yeah, it reminds us we’re still alive and kicking back. It may hurt, but we’re still kicking!

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Snake Plissken? Snake is that you?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

The metaphors on here tonight are grains of sugar in a spoon, being poured from an unsteady and trembling hand into a cup of already too-sweet tea. :)

Heh. No one get mad. There were horses and then beaches . . . I didn’t do it.

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 4:03 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

Okay..:)

PS..Now we have Obiecare..:(

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Back on topic! Suffering is redemptive! And though Obama means it for evil, God means it for good. Now I can relax.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:04 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:01 AM

I agree that was a problem..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:06 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:01 AM

I agree that was a problem..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:06 AM

the pre-existing condition.:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:07 AM

I agree that was a problem..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:06 AM

And honestly, his remarks sounded as hollow and — damme! — car salesman-like that I really didn’t trust him to do anything he said he would. It was like trying to roll a seven, fairly easy, but still a crapshoot.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:11 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:04 AM

I leave you with this tune..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:11 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:11 AM

I disagree..But that is my opinion..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:13 AM

Witching hour (which is not midnight, btw). Swimming for shore, lest I accidentally flip my shed-yool again. Have a great night/morning guys!

Even under these circumstances, it’s possible!

Yes, you can!

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

I agree that was a problem..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:06 AM

I mean, he said he was going to waive the whole thing, and then he started talking about which parts he was going to keep — that were good about the bill. Pandering.

And more generally, how did anyone fall for the “what are you going to replace it with” narrative. Who needed to replace it with anything? Ask the doctors interviewed by Frank Luntz and they all had ways to reform, improve, streamline, and reduce costs of health care without keeping anything at all of the bill.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

God point..BUT 67% (give or take) of USA said they did not want Obiecare YET the USA gave up their shot at getting rid of it!!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

I admire your spirit!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:22 AM

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

Good point..BUT 67% (give or take) of USA said they did not want Obiecare YET the USA gave up their shot at getting rid of it!!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:23 AM

As for Rubio, no surprise to see him in Iowa. Dude would be crazy not to start prepping a 2016 run if he has aspirations for higher office.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Definitely. He has to start now. We need a GOTV apparatus like Obama’s. Romney, like I’ve said all year, is a terrible campaigner who would flush all his money into ads and I was right.
Time for Rubio and to turn hispanics red

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 4:24 AM

9 Biggest Banks’ Derivative Exposure – $228.72 Trillion

US GDP $15.1 Trillion

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:25 AM

Are you just a complete moron? The number you cite is more than the total value of all wealth on the Earth, including known mineral and energy reserved still in the ground.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 4:03 AM

My sail/beach/surf metaphor was straight out of Castaway…

Gohawgs on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

God point..BUT 67% (give or take) of USA said they did not want Obiecare YET the USA gave up their shot at getting rid of it!!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Mittens didnt campaign against it

Flapjackmaka on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Yeah, and that’s what gets me onto my conspiracy horse again so I guess I won’t go there.

Then again, maybe most people didn’t like this or that aspect of Obamacare but didn’t hate the whole thing and the principle behind it, as I did. So maybe they thought on balance it was workable.

I think I’d rather stay with my ballot-stuffing view.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

God point..BUT 67% (give or take) of USA said they did not want Obiecare YET the USA gave up their shot at getting rid of it!!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

They didn’t believe that Romney was going to repeal Obamacare. They believed Romney when he said he was going to replace Obamacare.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 4:26 AM

No..State your opinion by all means..:)

PS..It is just amazing that you all show up NOW??..:)

PSS.Amazing.:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2012 at 2:52 AM

You are dishonest and easily amazed. And who’s this “you all”? Huh?

Dongemaharu on November 8, 2012 at 4:28 AM

Are you just a complete moron? The number you cite is more than the total value of all wealth on the Earth, including known mineral and energy reserved still in the ground.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

No… you are the moron.

http://moneymorning.com/2011/10/12/derivatives-the-600-trillion-time-bomb-thats-set-to-explode/

Derivatives: The $600 Trillion Time Bomb That’s Set to Explode

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivatives_market

According to Bank for International Settlements “$516 trillion at the end of June 2007″

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 4:29 AM

I like Cain, but third party talk is idiotic. It would be conceding all national elections for decades.

But yet we have to hear the malcontents grousing about a new party year after year. What’s the holdup, suckers? You can form a new party in your living room like the Libertarians did. Howard Phillips just declared the Constitution Party on his own (as the Taxpayer Party originally). Why can’t you?

I’m sick of your empty threats. Put up or shut up. Go, begone, and never come back. Take your nutcase pals with you, good riddance. At least we won’t have to put up with your constant sniveling and whining.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 4:34 AM

This whole Romney lost thread brings me back to how he lost. In a “life or death” (as one polster described it) campaign with a mind-set of “revenge” and “hell to pay”, I think the Obama campaign was above no trickery: we know that there were computers that registered Obama when Romney votes were cast, bussed-in non-English-speaking voters cued by “translators”, an Obama mural in one voting center, a New Black Panther thug monitoring another, illegal aliens given registration forms to sign by union supervisors, and we know in the past one guy forged 25,000 registrations. Romney lost one state by only 30,000 votes. I think it’s far more reasonable to suspect voter fraud than miss-steps on Obamacare or Benghazi (which there were).

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:43 AM

And there was one election official who complained repeatedly about judges allowing the NAACP to lead Obama voters to the front of the line and cue them how to vote and nothing was done.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 4:29 AM

Fool, you rely upon a Wikipedia article which mainly sources other Wiki articles. Um, again, are you just stupid?

From one of the few outside links at Forbes:

At stake is the unfathomable $56 trillion notional value of derivatives contracts between U.S. commercial banks and counterparties, measured by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency at the end of 2002. The entire market, around the world, is estimated at over $100 trillion. But such notional amounts–the face amount of the underlying security–are rarely realized.

Allow me to explain what this means for those unfamiliar with the concept. Suppose Jones insures Smith for $1000 loss, and Malkin insures Jones for that $1000 loss, and sharrukin insures Malkin for that $1000 loss. The “notional value” of all these “derivatives” is $3000.

But if Smith loses the money and demands payment, he gets his $1000 back, and so do Jones and Malkin. Only sharrukin actually loses, and his loss is just $1000. The other $2000 of value is only “notional” – it doesn’t really exist.

The reality of the derivative market is that there are so many cross-indemnities that the actual value is a small fraction of the notional value – AND most losses which might be incurred in any case would not be total losses, meaning the risk involved is a fraction of the total.

Of course, it is usually wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post on something you know nothing at all about and remove all doubt.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 4:58 AM

Put another way: the total world economy is about $62 trillion per year. sharrukin would have us believe that only nine banks are liable for more than eight years of the total world GDP. It’s so preposterous as to be laughable.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 5:01 AM

its funny how quickly people forget about the massive defeat of Obama in 2010. I blame the GOpe for not using tha t information for the last two years. In fact the GOPe did everything in their power to bury that information and attack the tea party sums up in my mind why we lost in 2012

unseen on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

The GOP won in 2010, because Obama wasn’t on the ticket and therefore his supporters weren’t interested in the elections. It wasn’t a defeat for Obama, but for the Democrats.

Gelsomina on November 8, 2012 at 5:07 AM

total world economy is about $62 trillion per year.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 5:01 AM

So are you saying that the US debt is over 25% of the world economy? That doesn’t sound safe.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 5:08 AM

Do you mean with the voters who rejected Romneycare or the ones who rejected Obamacare?

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Or do you mean the ones who will now GET obamacare and everything that goes with it. The ones who stayed home seeking perfection are to be condemned. They are traitors and despicable.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM

Fool, you rely upon a Wikipedia article which mainly sources other Wiki articles. Um, again, are you just stupid?

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 4:58 AM

First GFY

Second…
Wall Street Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443916104578022111484538832.html

The regulations stand to push the more than $700 trillion OTC derivatives industry further into the open, especially coupled with another that forces derivatives trading onto exchanges.

Third
Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-10/big-banks-hide-risk-transforming-collateral-for-traders.html

…banks rebuilding balance sheets and investors seeking safety, leaving fewer bonds available to backstop the $648 trillion derivatives market.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:10 AM

Put another way: the total world economy is about $62 trillion per year. sharrukin would have us believe that only nine banks are liable for more than eight years of the total world GDP. It’s so preposterous as to be laughable.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 5:01 AM

And yet magically the US alone is liable for $84 trillion.

Report: Federal unfunded liabilities total $84 trillion

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:13 AM

Adjoran, I can see owing more than I can earn in 8 years. But if the world GDP is $62 trillion, and the US debt is $16 trillion, does that mean the the US owes more than 25% of the World’s GDP?

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 5:18 AM

He flies by night.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 5:19 AM

I’ve been trying not to dwell on the reasons for this but I can’t help giving it at least a little thought. The buzz today and yesterday is all about demographics. There is undeniable truth in that.

However, the fight was waged primarily in the same rust belt states that it always is. Did we lose OH, MI, WI, PA and IA because we couldn’t appeal to blacks, hispanics or unwed mothers? I would say in part we did, but that a larger factor looms. At least for now white turnout would have made the difference if they cared to show up.

It seems to me that the auto bailouts made all the difference. I find it disgusting and I don’t know how we win against that without endorsing Crapitalism ourselves. That is not an option for those who believe that free market capitalism is the life blood of our nation.

So there we are. Americans want government to bail out their companies when they are failing. Americans want government to bail them out as individuals when they are failing. We no longer want to compete and win. Americans want to light up a doob and chill.

Atlas got stoned.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM

Or do you mean the ones who will now GET obamacare and everything that goes with it.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM

They were going to get Obamacare in any case. It may have been called Obamacare, or Romneycare but it wasn’t going anywhere.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM

And yet magically the US alone is liable for $84 trillion.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:13 AM

poppycock says the obmabot/average american citizen, our mans got way more in his stash.

this is no longer the country i was born in.

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM

I will spend the rest of my days detesting those (dems and media and the silent gop) who did nothing to protest the disenfranchisement of the military. And who allowed the fraud to occur. Al Franken was the test run.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 AM

poppycock says the obmabot/average american citizen, our mans got way more in his stash.

this is no longer the country i was born in.

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM

He better have a big stash.

It’s gone crazy and there is no way the money can ever be repaid and I think many of those in power know that. Not sure they have any plan to deal with whats coming but they have to know that its going to come to an end.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM

his is no longer the country i was born in.

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM

I’ve been saying this, with increasing frequency and greater and greater urgency since Obamacare was passed. Two years ago Hannity said journalism was dead, but today he says we mustn’t be fair-weather Americans.

Today I say the America I grew up in is dead.

Obama shot her and she’s been on a ventilator for three years. This week the American people pulled the plug.

I’d love for someone to explain to me how I’m wrong.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 5:31 AM

Al Franken was the test run.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 AM

Those have been my thoughts exactly, only only the Obama team pulled the “all of the above” plan. And contesting the elections was only if they were challenged with the voter fraud.

flicker on November 8, 2012 at 5:35 AM

The nation should have stood up for the military vote. I am ashamed of my country. We have gone from a good nation to a thugger nation.

clnurnberg on November 8, 2012 at 5:39 AM

I take away 2 lessons from our defeat:

1. Demagoguery works! We must stop falling for the civility and adult conversation crap. We need a candidate who is willing to tell the American people that his opponent is morally rotten, the devil himself and doesnt sh!t himself over what independents might think of that. Obama showed that fearlessness and shamelessness are winners.

2. No more single-issue campaigns. Only running on one leg of the conservative stool – economic and fiscal conservatism – dooms us. What did we offer social conservatives in this campaign? We ran away from social issues as soon as they came up anywhere. We treated a leg of the conservative stool as if we were ashamed of it, as if it was a sure loser and when you smell like defeatism, defeat isnt far away. Bush won the presidency twice and the only authenticly conservative thing about this winner was his social conservatism.

Both lessons connect over the issue of confidence: Willard was never conservative to the bone. He was timid, easily impressed by polls and by what others might think if he said something contrversial. Thats not leadership, not in the political realm. Willard might be a competent executive, but if you are not on a mission you deem sacred, you will never really be a political leader. Business experience is nice to have, but its far from enough. Next time I wanna see a firebreathing conservative ideologue that demonizes the sh!t out of our coastal, elitist, decay-preaching opponents!

Valkyriepundit on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 AM

good morning!

mr cmsinaz and i were talking last night about all these talking heads saying that the gop has to create a message of togetherness, souls searching and all this other crapola and thought how? whatever message we give, the lsm and dems will demagoge(sp) it and just use MORE scare tactics against us…their message will always be EVIL GOP who wants to take away everyones rights…we don’t need to pigeon hole folks into their own special interest groups like the dems do which i find amazing that these folks are ok with that, I would frankly be insulted…

really depressed yesterday…but now, i am that point that we need to let the chips fall where they may, these folks want the status quo and they will rue the day, i don’t want to hear any whining and have their hands out…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 AM

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 5:13 AM

Sigh

In the immortal words of Ed Koch: “I can explain it to you; I cannot understand it for you.”

You are using notional values which count every risk multiple times – because they all cross-insure their risks.

Your own example of the US federal government’s “unfunded liabilities” (which unlike the banking obligations can be erased with a single law passed by simple majorities in Congress and signed by the President – Poof!) of $84 trillion (an overestimate in any case).

You are claiming that nine banks have a liability of more than six times the unfunded liability of the US government! THINK for a minute!

You are unbelievably thick.

Adjoran on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM

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