Puerto Rico votes for statehood

posted at 2:01 pm on November 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The overall vote in the US wasn’t the only one last night that was oddly contradictory, with voters wanting change but re-electing the status quo.  In Puerto Rico, a non-binding referendum on the future of the US territory found statehood the popular choice — but the candidate who backed statehood lost his re-election bid as governor.  Luis Fortuno, who has been a star on the conservative-convention circuit and even got some attention as a possible VP candidate, conceded defeat this morning:

Puerto Rico’s governor is conceding defeat in a close election in the U.S. island territory.

Gov. Luis Fortuno said a few thousand outstanding ballots would not be enough to close the gap with his main challenger, Alejandro Garcia Padilla. The margin was less than 1 percent.

Garcia Padilla’s party backs the status quo of semi-autonomy as a territory.  Puerto Ricans rejected that option by a wider margin than the gubernatorial election, though:

A slim majority of Puerto Ricans sought to change their ties with the United States and become the 51st U.S. state in a non-binding referendum that would require final approval from Congress.

The two-part referendum asked whether the island wanted to change its 114-year relationship with the United States. Nearly 54 percent, or 922,374 people, sought to change it, while 46 percent, or 786,749 people, favored the status quo. Ninety-six percent of 1,643 precincts were reporting as of early Wednesday.

The second question asked voters to choose from three options, with statehood by far the favorite, garnering 61 percent. Sovereign free association, which would have allowed for more autonomy, received 33 percent, while independence got 5 percent.

This referendum carries no legal weight, but it does have political implications at home and in Washington.  An eight-point victory for statehood isn’t exactly “narrow,” as ABC News describes it; it’s a fairly strong statement of some consensus, especially paired with the 61% who chose statehood from three options, including independence, which finished last.  After having made that statement, Puerto Ricans will understandably expect some action to result from it, which drops the issue into the lap of the next Congress.

What will the divided 113th Congress do with it?  It will be one more of a series of big questions facing Washington next year, and frankly, I’m not sure they’ll do anything at all with it. The next session will probably have to focus exclusively on reforms of immigration, budgetary, and entitlement reform. Republicans might have had more interest with Fortuno still in office.  Garcia Padilla doesn’t appear to be the kind of advocate to push Congress to prioritize this issue, which means that Puerto Rico probably will end up frustrated and their desire to join the Union ignored.

If that goes on for too long, the rankings of that second question may change over time, and we may find ourselves in the uncomfortable position of debating whether to recognize Puerto Rico’s independence.

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It’d screw up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Do they plan to ask our agreement, or they can join unilaterally?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Don’t need any more states. In fact there are a number of them, see the blue on your map, that need to be shed.

TXUS on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

It’d screw up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

No it wouldn’t.

vegconservative on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

The economy is in the crapper

Healthcare has been destroyed

Trillions of dollars in debt

The public school system is churning out idiots at a remarkable pace.

Traditional American values that made this country great in the first place have been destroyed.

Why do I give a rats patooty about what Puerto Rico wants?

HotAirian on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I was strongly for it. But now, after last night, I’m less sure.

Why would any Republican want Puerto Rico to be a State, when they just rejected Republican Luis Fotuno? That sends a bad message to U.S. conservatives and libertarians.

Sorry Puerto Rico. You just royally screwed up. Some of us wanted you to be a State. But not if you are going to be Democrat.

ericdondero on November 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM

They want something for nothing also. Whoda thunk?

txmomof6 on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Good Lord. What next?

Oh right, John Tester won too.

forest on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

OK. But there’s a three day cooling off period, and, to be clear, you can never leave.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Why do you never see Puerto Ricans on Star Trek?

Because they don’t work in the future either.

/Had to be done.

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Mexico should be made a state first. We share so much in common. We even fire the same guns.

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Do they plan to ask our agreement, or they can join unilaterally?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:05 PM

I think Obama just signs something. Same as always.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM

This was the most painful loss last night, together with Mia Love’s in UT imho.

Norwegian on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Do we really need a 58th state?

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM

It’d screw up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

No it wouldn’t.

vegconservative on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I believe this is the correct link.

agmartin on November 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Do they plan to ask our agreement, or they can join unilaterally?

Archivarix on November 7, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Next step is the U.S. Congress votes on it.

Good for PR. I hope Congress approves.

Chris of Rights on November 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Met fortuno…. great man

Own it Puerto Rico

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Sad he lost re-election. Good man

mrscullen on November 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

PR statehood is the perfect thing for the GOP to get behind to make inroads with hispanics.

commodore on November 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Interesting result that a majority voted for statehood for the first time but ousted the party that supports it from the governorship. As they say in Puerto Rico, ¡Ay, bendito!

RedRedRice on November 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Ed,

Although Governor Fortuño lost, Pedro Pierluisi (resident commissioner, the island representative in congress) was reelected. He is also a menber of Fortuño pro-statehood party, but he is a democrat. I believe he can lead the push for statehood in congress.

ujorge on November 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Kinda glad he lost if they’re going to become a state. I would welcome a Senator Fortuno

cpaulus on November 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Yay for two more Dem Senators and several Dem U.S. Reps in perpetuity…

DavidW on November 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

4 million more people to tax, I say Barky goes for it.

D-fusit on November 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Why would any Republican want Puerto Rico to be a State, when they just rejected Republican Luis Fotuno? That sends a bad message to U.S. conservatives and libertarians.

ericdondero on November 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM

With the whispers of “Amnesty! Amnesty!” going around in response to our defeat last night? Of course Congress will vote for statehood. It’ll be virtually unanimous.

Doomberg on November 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

People are weird, that’s all there is to it.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Why do you never see Puerto Ricans on Star Trek?

Because they don’t work in the future either.

/Had to be done.

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

WTF?

This gets reported.

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

This.

txsurveyor on November 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Yay for two more Dem Senators and several Dem U.S. Reps in perpetuity…

DavidW on November 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Yes, if we don’t plan to appeal at all to Latino voters.

Which, as yesterday showed us, is not an option.

KingGold on November 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

People are weird, that’s all there is to it.

Cindy Munford on November 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Best analysis of yesterday’s results.

faraway on November 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

4 million more people to tax, I say Barky goes for it.

D-fusit on November 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

That’s right, Puerto Ricans will most likely regret this, but hey, they’re on a roll.

RedRedRice on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Just promise to let me in and I’ll support it.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

No, 4 million more people to support with welfare, who will vote Democratic. I guess Fortuno was too anti-welfare.

Dems have wanted this forever.

PattyJ on November 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Even if the first motion in the 113th is to introduce statehood for PR, Republicans will STILL lose 70% of the hispanic vote.

They’ll be considered the “Token” state..

Defenestratus on November 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM

It’d screw up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

No it wouldn’t.

vegconservative on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Alaska and Hawaii screwed up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Let Texas secede. Let Puerto Rico join. Leave the flag as is…at least until OK, AR, LA, KS, WY, AK, ID, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, TN, MT, NE, SD, ND, MO, UT and perhaps a few of the western Canadian provinces ally with Texas.

Doug Piranha on November 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM

That might mean a sharp drop in the dem voting base here in MA. Why put up with the horrible weather to get your freebies when you can stay in a much warmer climate?

reaganaut on November 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I’m kinda funny…. I’ve felt we should have ballots in Spanish because Puerto Rico is a territory, and has a Spanish language culture.

However, if PR joins the Union they should also fully embrace English… that might be too high a price of admission for the majority of Puerto Ricans.

darkpixel on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

There are lots of contradictions out there. For example, Virginia — which somehow went for Obama yet again — nonetheless voted to amend the state constitution to shore up protections against eminent domain land seizures by like 75% of the vote. This despite strong Democrat opposition to the amendment. The Democrat voting handouts actually had big fancy instructions for their voters to reject the measure. So like 25% of the people voting for Obama went all the way down the ballot and then switched on the amendment. I are confoosed.

JeremiahJohnson on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Just promise to let me in and I’ll support it.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Ditto, I’ll even bring my own guns and boots from Arizona.

nextgen_repub on November 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM

No, 4 million more people to support with welfare, who will vote Democratic. I guess Fortuno was too anti-welfare.

Dems have wanted this forever.

We already give ‘em welfare. But they can’t vote for national elections. The dems are drooling in the hopes of getting 4 million more votes…..actually 16 million if one counts the PR graveyard vote.

hawkeye54 on November 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM

“Why do so many Republicans wish to give Puerto Rico statehood?
Half of the citizens of Puerto Rico receive food stamps…Puerto Rico does not have full access to all of the United State’s welfare programs.If given statehood,however,they would.An August, 1996, report from the General Accounting Office (GAO) indicates that Puerto Ricans would pay an estimated $49 million in income taxes but would get an additional three to four billion from taxpayers in the rest of the country.

“Puerto Rico also has very high rates of AIDS, drug abuse, crime, poverty, illegitimacy, and unemployment.Our poorest state,Mississippi has a per capita income of $15,853.Puerto Rico has a per capita income of $7,630.

“Puerto Ricans who move to the United States fare worse in some respects than those who live on the island. While the illegitimacy rate on the island is at 30 percent, the figure doubles to 60 percent for Puerto Ricans on the mainland. In New York City, where all U.S. welfare programs are available to them, Puerto Ricans receive more welfare than any other group of people.

“Lastly,Puerto Rico has an entirely different language(80% of Puerto Ricans speak only Spanish)culture,and traditions.Many Puerto Ricans see themselves as Puerto Ricans,not Americans.

“Yet despite all of this,many Republicans favor giving Puerto Rico statehood…

“That’s not to say I wouldn’t want to see Puerto Rico ever be given statehood or independence,but because of its current state,it would be a terrible idea to give Puerto Rico either of the two.First,it has to get its act together…”

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Dems have wanted this forever.

N0t to mentions two more dems in the Senate and a few more dem in the House, ’cause we all know the GOP gets squat from PR politically.

hawkeye54 on November 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

He probably lost because he doesn’t reach out enough to hispanic voters.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

He probably lost because he doesn’t reach out enough to hispanic voters.

Always the problem with the GOP ;)

hawkeye54 on November 7, 2012 at 2:33 PM

They’ve always been happy to remain an unincorporated territory until now. I’m not against their admittance but wonder how it changes the balance of power in reps, senators, electoral votes, etc. And how conservatives can benefit from it and make inroads into them. Are they strongly devout for example?

theflyonthewall on November 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM

He probably lost because he doesn’t reach out enough to hispanic voters.

The problem is they are reaching out with their hand full of dollars taken from my wallet.

reaganaut on November 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Give them their independence.

Daemonocracy on November 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM

They want something for nothing also. Whoda thunk?

txmomof6 on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Not being a state they get a lot, without having tax and other obligations.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Puerto Rico at a glance:

Unemployment rate 13.6% would be 51st in the US.

GDP per capita 23,380/person 51st in the US.

9 of the top 10 US zip codes for social security disability claimants are located in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Give them their independence.

Daemonocracy on November 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Indeed. Let them go.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Free stuff. what a concept.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM

So, they want ‘stuff’. Free ‘stuff’ that Barry’s giving away to immigrants and ethnic voters. Hussein es su nombre.

Xavier on November 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM

It’d screw up the flag.

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Nah. They’re going to replace the stars with Obama’s face, so there won’t be any reason to keep count anymore.

The Rogue Tomato on November 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM

This whole election was like a bi-polar nightmare.

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

I was just thinking the same thing… problem solved!

TexasTea on November 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM

PR already gets financial benefit of mainlanders without having to pay Federal income tax.

At present it is the cheapest place to make a profit, taxwise.

Kermit on November 7, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Why would they want to join _now_ as a state? That’s like wanting to join the European Union right now. It may have looked attractive years ago, but now…

jamesjtyler on November 7, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Catch-22: if republicans support pr admission we run the risk of more dem seats and voters, if repubs oppose then its an easy target to further the republicans as racist narrative.

theflyonthewall on November 7, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Awesome idea.

stenwin77 on November 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I think the statehood of PR was already approved, they just had to vote on it there.

Why would they do that?

stenwin77 on November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Cut em loose.

and this?

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

WTF?

This gets reported.

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Capitalist Hog squealing on Corporate Piggy? It really is bizarro world around here today.

HumpBot Salvation on November 7, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Puerto Rico at a glance:

Unemployment rate 13.6% would be 51st in the US.

GDP per capita 23,380/person 51st in the US.

9 of the top 10 US zip codes for social security disability claimants are located in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Why, that is the model state of my future! /Obama

Norwegian on November 7, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I dunno about this.

They sound like imbeciles to me. I’m hoping for a state to push for “non-statehood”.

RedCrow on November 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Fortuno’s got a future, even with this defeat. Not talking POTUS or VP, but he will have an important role. Fortuno risked his job to tackle welfare and unions.

midgeorgian on November 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

trying to get more electoral votes and more D’s in the Senate. It can be solved by split CA into Conservative and liberal states.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 3:01 PM

2 more permanent Democrat US Senators?!?!

“Homey don’t play that!”

Khun Joe on November 7, 2012 at 3:04 PM

OK. But there’s a three day cooling off period, and, to be clear, you can never leave.

Axe on November 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM

That’s what Lincoln said, no? Are we sure it’s in the Constitution?

RobbBond on November 7, 2012 at 3:04 PM

However, if PR joins the Union they should also fully embrace English… that might be too high a price of admission for the majority of Puerto Ricans.

darkpixel on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

If they wait another 20 years the mainland will be speaking Spanish.

derft on November 7, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Puerto Rico ONLY voted for this because the Pelosi congress decided to waive any language requirement.

Pelosi is no longer in charge and there is little possibility that the USA will add a state without an english language requirement.

Of course, maybe this is the next ‘inclusiveness’ the Republicans need! Lets BALKANIZE the country with ‘nogo’ language areas!

Freddy on November 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM

They want statehood by reject the conservative governor?

Seems legit.

/

M240H on November 7, 2012 at 3:13 PM

However, if PR joins the Union they should also fully embrace English… that might be too high a price of admission for the majority of Puerto Ricans.

darkpixel on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

If they wait another 20 years the mainland will be speaking Spanish.

Meh, only another 5 – 10 years for California to delcare it the state official language, then soon after, where California goes, so goes the nation, or so I hear.

A language barrier is to obstacle for admission as long as PR can deliver a vast majority in dem votes, 2 more dem senators, 5 or 6 dem reps in Congress, its good to go for statehood.

hawkeye54 on November 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

As a Texan, I’m not quite ready to give up on the US yet. Can’t we just trade PR for CA? That way when CA collapses we won’t go with them.

CableDude on November 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

BTW. Texas has no more right to leave the Union than any other state has. That is a myth.

CableDude on November 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Ed-
I think you are reading the numbers wrong.

54% want to change their status, and of those, 61% want statehood.

1.7 million people voted in total. Of that number, 54% voted to change their status (922k).

Of the 922k, 61% said the change they want is statehood (562k).

That means only 33% of the people voted in favor of statehood.

786k want no change is status, 359k want looser ties with the US.

thuljunior on November 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Why would anyone on the GOP side want Puerto Rico to be a state? Puerto Rico is like a 3rd world country full of government leeches. It would vote as democratic as District of Columbia, and would make the dems path to 270 even easier. Add 2 democratic senators and 4-5 dem congesscritters.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Puerto Rican Statehood?

Sounds like a perfect issue for Jeb Bush! He needs a crusade to lead — this would be ideal.

/s

RedPepper on November 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM

“Why do so many Republicans wish to give Puerto Rico statehood?
Half of the citizens of Puerto Rico receive food stamps…Puerto Rico does not have full access to all of the United State’s welfare programs.If given statehood,however,they would.An August, 1996, report from the General Accounting Office (GAO) indicates that Puerto Ricans would pay an estimated $49 million in income taxes but would get an additional three to four billion from taxpayers in the rest of the country.

“Puerto Rico also has very high rates of AIDS, drug abuse, crime, poverty, illegitimacy, and unemployment.Our poorest state,Mississippi has a per capita income of $15,853.Puerto Rico has a per capita income of $7,630.

“Puerto Ricans who move to the United States fare worse in some respects than those who live on the island. While the illegitimacy rate on the island is at 30 percent, the figure doubles to 60 percent for Puerto Ricans on the mainland. In New York City, where all U.S. welfare programs are available to them, Puerto Ricans receive more welfare than any other group of people.

“Lastly,Puerto Rico has an entirely different language(80% of Puerto Ricans speak only Spanish)culture,and traditions.Many Puerto Ricans see themselves as Puerto Ricans,not Americans.

“Yet despite all of this,many Republicans favor giving Puerto Rico statehood…

“That’s not to say I wouldn’t want to see Puerto Rico ever be given statehood or independence,but because of its current state,it would be a terrible idea to give Puerto Rico either of the two.First,it has to get its act together…”

Akzed on November 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Worth repeating.

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 7, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Let their people go. Independence for PR. That much fewer food stamps funded by yours truly.

On top of that, there’s no way in HEdouble L that their reps and senators are going to support traditional American values. We have problems enough in that arena already.

SteveThomas on November 7, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Capitalist Hog squealing on Corporate Piggy? It really is bizarro world around here today.

HumpBot Salvation on November 7, 2012 at 2:50 PM

We eat our own.

It’s almost like we’re Republicans.

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM

However, if PR joins the Union they should also fully embrace English… that might be too high a price of admission for the majority of Puerto Ricans.

darkpixel on November 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

It’s also totally unrealistic.

At my pharmacy today a lady tried to take advantage of a discount deal on 7 up. Half price for up to 5 bottles. She picked up 20 and wanted the half price deal. The girl at the counter explained that the offer was only half price for 5. The lady then started shouting in Spanish.

To her credit, the girl at the counter said calmly “I am sorry I do not speak your language”.

Bienvenido a Tejas!

CorporatePiggy on November 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Two more Democratic Senator’s into perpetuity?

Have we completely lost our minds?

Carnac on November 7, 2012 at 3:53 PM

If PR becomes a state then say hello to a permanent Democratic majority on a national level. I’m sure the GOP is all for it. lol

DFCtomm on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Um…. Yeah. No thanks. I want to change the relationship with PR too but not that way. Frankly, I see no upside for our nation.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Have we completely lost our minds?

Carnac on November 7, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Were you in a coma last night? Yes we have. We just gave an incompent rat-eared commie four more years unfettered by having to run for reelection.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM

trying to get more electoral votes and more D’s in the Senate. It can be solved by split CA into Conservative and liberal states.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 3:01 PM

I’m all for giving California back to Mexico and Washington State to Canada. The one is already filled with America-hating Mexicans and the other with socialized medicine-loving hippies. Oregon can pick which way they want to go. We lose a coast but small price to pay for getting rid of so many stupid greedy people.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

With all the problems we have, Puerto Rico wants to join US?

They might regret that decision. Much easier (and cheaper) to just suck off the government teat.

GarandFan on November 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Sad to see Fortuno go. He was one of the highlights of the convention. I think they just want to get theirs before the Titanic crashes.

ironked on November 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Can we trade Texas Independence for Puerto Rico? That way the US won’t have to change the flag.

FerrousOxide on November 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Awesome idea.

I like it too!

The Lone Star Nation!

hawkeye54 on November 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Welcome Puerto Rico! Your economy is in the crapper, so we will provide welfare benefits for all of you as soon as your become American citizens. It’s all paid for by Obama money.

JustTruth101 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Welcome Puerto Rico! Your economy is in the crapper, so we will provide welfare benefits for all of you as soon as your become American citizens. It’s all paid for by Obama money.

JustTruth101 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Dude, we already are, and have been for some time.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM

On the topic of Puerto Rico voting for statehood but voting out an advocate: Hahahahaha! What idiots.

On the U.S.’s relationship to it’s foreign territories: The election of Obama proves that this nation no longer deserves to be a world superpower. Obama is too weak and we are all going to get crushed by his debt burden.

The Nerve on November 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Welcome Puerto Rico! Your economy is in the crapper, so we will provide welfare benefits for all of you as soon as your become American citizens. It’s all paid for by Obama money.

JustTruth101 on November 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

In order – they are for all purposes other than voting (and that limitation ends when they move to any of the 50 states/DC), and we are.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

What will the divided 113th Congress do with it?

If Boehner is still Speaker, I’d expect a “grand compromise” to make both PR and DC states on the false assumption that PR will be in play for Republicans. That will, however, do three things (assuming PR is as heavy-’Rat as Massachusetts):

- Cement Dingy Harry Reid as The Only Member of Congress Who Matters™ as 3-4 freshly-minted ‘Rat Senators show up in DC. It would, if the filibuster isn’t nuked, move the filibuster threshhold to 63 of 104 and the veto override/treaty ratification/impeachment conviction threshhold to 70 of 104.
- Remove 1 Republican Representative from the House in favor of a ‘Rat (states losing Representatives if this is done before 2020 would be California, Florida, Minnesota, South Carolina and Texas).
- Give the ‘Rat Presidential ticket in 2016/2020 3 additional Electoral College votes (as the total moves to 539) and take 2 Electoral College votes away from the Pubbie Presidential ticket.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I should note that if somehow the Pubbie ticket carries PR in the hypothetical PR/DC state scenario in 2016/2020, it would give the Pubbies 5 additional EC votes and remove 4 from the ‘Rat ticket.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Check that, it would be a 2-3-seat Pubbie loss in the House. DC’s seat would be Democrat, at least 4 of 5 of PR’s seats would be the same, and California, Minnesota and South Carolina would all eliminate Repuublican districts (South Carolina because there is only 1 ‘Rat seat and that is a court-protected majority-minority seat).

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Puerto Rico is nothing but a burden. Pray they ask for their independence and quickly grant it.

Heaven knows why they would want to be a state. They have all the benefits of American citizens without the income tax. Is that worth trading for a few congressmen.

Jingo95 on November 7, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Heaven knows why they would want to be a state. They have all the benefits of American citizens without the income tax. Is that worth trading for a few congressmen.

Jingo95 on November 7, 2012 at 6:23 PM

For the ‘Rats it is.

I forgot to include Washington State losing a Congressman in my above analysis of the effects on the House. That makes the likely GOP-Dem bleed in the House to 3-4.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Independence for Puerto Rico, not statehood. And, DC should not have a seat in Congress.

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

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