Obama’s reelection means that his will be a consequential presidency

posted at 9:21 am on November 7, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I’m still collecting my thoughts on what we saw happen last night, and probably will be for awhile yet — in the coming days, there will be tons of analysis and data-crunching and commentary that we’ll all be trying to decipher. But, in the meantime, there’s at least some small sense I can make of this, and funnily enough, it was Rachel Maddow who I first heard elucidate my approximate point on MSNBC shortly after we all figured out that we are indeed in for four more years of Barack Obama.

I would also just like to, point of privilege, to say, that this is an important moment for policy. This was a consequential presidency, not just because Barack Obama was the first African-American president, and not just because the country turned to the Democratic party after eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney — this is a consequential president in terms of policy. In terms of civil-rights matters, … in terms of economic policy like the stimulus, in terms of historic, historic change like health reform, and like some of the other reform, Wall Street reform, credit card reform, student loan reform measures, that this president was able to pass. … Had this president been a one-term president, those policies would have been dialed back, along with the rest of his legacy. Those policies will now be held onto in this country as we experience what is almost an inevitable economic rebound that would’ve happened with anybody as president… as the economy gets better, those policies will be in place, and they will become part of the new normal in America.

It’s a pretty difficult job to hold back economic rebounds and growth in America, but somehow, President Obama managed it. He spent trillions of dollars we don’t have on boosting the economy, but unemployment is almost precisely what it was when he got started — talk about results. But, being prosperous and productive and innovative is what Americans do best, and no matter the obstacles, we’ve still got that hard-working, profit-seeking fire in our collective belly.

As American businesses and entrepreneurs start to internalize the fact that they are now inevitably going to have to cope with the coming onslaught of regulations, taxes, and rules that will become the new normal, the economy may improve — but Barack Obama’s agenda means that it will come at the opportunity cost of economic growth that could have been faster, more robust, and would have led to much more wealth and prosperity than what we’ll be getting. Even as we begin to divert ever-more of our economy’s time, resources, manpower, effort, energies, and money toward complying with and paying for more bureaucracy and top-down control, the economy may continue to limp along, but at the expense of a vastly shrunken pie.

So, as Maddow points out, Barack Obama’s will be a consequential presidency, and not just for the “historic” reasons that were lauded after his first election. His major policies are now here to stay, and even if 2016 is a better year for the GOP, it will be next to impossible to undo what we’ll now spend the next four years implementing. This also means that “inherited problems” excuse is not going to fly anymore — this time four years from now, Barack Obama will have a much more difficult time avoiding accountability for our economic stagnation (although I wouldn’t underestimate him — the Congressional-gridlock excuse is still on tap), and if the rate at which this supposed economic rebound is taking place continues to look so very historic in that it’s happening at less than a snail’s pace, maybe we’ll collectively start catching the drift of who’s fault it really is.

Maybe it has to get still worse before it can get better, friends.


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Boy, is she really going to be surprised by this economic recovery.

trs on November 7, 2012 at 9:24 AM

in the coming days, there will be tons of analysis and data-crunching and commentary that we’ll all be trying to decipher.

Good luck with the data-crunching… there was plenty of data available before the election that was ignored and even scoffed by conservatives. Fivethirtygreat.com by Great Silverman, for example.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Come to California where we just passed a tax hike (i heard). No, it can get a lot worse.

deadite on November 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

This also means that “inherited problems” excuse is not going to fly anymore — this time four years from now, Barack Obama will have a much more difficult time avoiding accountability for our economic stagnation (although I wouldn’t underestimate him — the Congressional-gridlock excuse is still on tap), and if the rate at which this supposed economic rebound is taking place continues to look so very historic in that it’s happening at less than a snail’s pace, maybe we’ll collectively start catching the drift of who’s fault it really is.

Uh, Obama will have a very easy time avoiding accountability. It’s called the 2-term limit. He doesn’t have to answer for a damn thing except I suppose to historians who mostly lean left anyway and will grade him on a very generous curve.

Now I do agree that the Democrat Party will have to answer for the next 4 years. At this point, 2016′s outcome will likely hinge on A)whether or not the Republicans finally nominate a true conservative and B)if the Democrat nominee can successfully disassociate himself or herself from the disaster that will known as the Obama Presidency.

I’m thinking the former is likely and the latter not so much. But I’m also thinking a 2016 retaking of the White House by Republicans will be a hollow victory given what that person will be inheriting.

Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

If Fox News doesn’t rid itself of Dick Morris, I’ll watch the local 6 pm news. Period. MSNBC deserves to crush it. They might as well be talking to a cat. Time after time after time after time, oh by the way, dickmorrisdotcom.

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Maddow, next to Matthews, is the last person I want to hear from this morning.

joekenha on November 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

This is just staggering. Anyone with a job that voted for Obama must know they voted against their best interest. Anyone with any desire to succeed and improve their lot in life that voted for Obama voted against their best interest.
If we’ve reached that point where the # voters that want cradle-to-grave socialism is perpetually greater than the number of voters that want to live in a free society, then where do we go from here?

smfic on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Going Galt. Time to stop giving and start taking. Getting my piece of that government cheese.

gaius on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Maybe it has to get still worse before it can get better, friends.

Erika, its going to get MUCH worse. We will bounce along the bottom, with the MSM praising any mild or middling bump up as the greatest thing ever, and sweep the inevitable decline back under the rug.

There was a fire in the house we call the US. Last night was the last real chance to put it out, or at the bare minimum hold it off until the fire department came. That opportunity is gone now.

Just let it burn down, and rebuild in the ashes.

Gatsu on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

If Fox News doesn’t rid itself of Dick Morris, I’ll watch the local 6 pm news. Period. MSNBC deserves to crush it. They might as well be talking to a cat. Time after time after time after time, oh by the way, dickmorrisdotcom.

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

“And I cover this in my new book…”

forest on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Get ready for Kagan/Sotomayor redux.

Hopefully this country is strong enough to withstand a full on liberal blast.

rightConcept on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM

What recovery? the economy will crash when the tax rates jump and energy prices skyrocket as obama shuts down natural gas and coal production. Welcome to depression 2.0

liveammo on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM

All Ed’s column for this thread does is reinforce my view that a political solution is not possible and that the country will collapse financially.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM

At least my four days in Reno weren’t for nothing. My fellow California Republicans and I contributed to Sen. Dean Heller being re-elected by a slim 1% margin.

aunursa on November 7, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Oh, the Obama presidency will be “consequential” to the United States…in the way that the atomic bomb was “consequential” to people on the ground in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Erika we will have to hit rock bottom before anything changes c

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

consequential presidency

If this is indeed a “consequential presedency”, then may I suggest the the House Reps not do a damn thing, except oversight, until BHO submits real plans for the fiscal cliff, the debt limit ceiling coming in Dec, entitlement reforms, ect, ect.

ABSOLUTELT NO LAME DUCK LEGISLATION.

gonnjos on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Maddow, next to Matthews, is the last person I want to hear from this morning.

joekenha on November 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

It will get worse. I can’t wait to hear the Frum/Brooks/Parker/Noonan crowd gush about how wonderful we are now that we reelected the awesome coolness that is The One. Yicchh.

jwolf on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Going Galt. Time to stop giving and start taking. Getting my piece of that government cheese.

gaius on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

This.

Curmudgeon on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

America has to hit bottom. Period. Let it burn. I dearly hate to say it, but it has to happen. We can not beat the media AND the Democrats. America has to nearly fall for people to wake up.

I still would love to talk to those on our side who did not vote, and ask them why. In such an election as this, how could they just hand it to Obama? We will never know the answer but it is deeply depressing how when we thought so many were excited, so many changed from Obama to Romney, or so they said, that turn out was so, so much lower than we couldve imagined.

A ton of people even tuned into the debates, and turn out was still so low. Cant say it enough, I wish we could know how and why it happened when everything seemed like it would be high turn out for us.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Rebounds are not inevitable. They require the appropriate economic levers to be pulled (and mostly for government to get out of the way). Obama will still be blaming Bush two years from now.

the wolf on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

HA Pundits need to read up on the 10th Amendment. We aren’t “stuck” with anything if we don’t want to be.

Federalism people, that’s the answer to Leviathan.

The 10th Amendment hasn’t been repealed. All we need is strong 10th Amendment conservatives at all levels of state governments. Officials willing to seize back state powers long ago usurped by the federal government.

When the states ratified the Constitution they didn’t agree to be subservient to the federal government.

If you really want to get rid of Obamacare and rein in the federal government then look to your state governments.

If we return decision making to the state level I think we’ll find out that there is much less rancor and partisanship in DC and that We the People will get along better. We can all agree, I hope, that due to the federalization of so much of what used to be state responsibilities that elections in one state have far too much impact on other states.

Why for example should I, here in AR, have to worry about Harry Reid as Senate majority leader? I shouldn’t but the usurpation of state powers has made it so.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Erika, are you effing crazy shoving Maddow’s words down our throats and her mug in out faces this morning? Do you want to lose all traffic to your site?

kit9 on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM

If Fox News doesn’t rid itself of Dick Morris, I’ll watch the local 6 pm news. Period. MSNBC deserves to crush it. They might as well be talking to a cat. Time after time after time after time, oh by the way, dickmorrisdotcom.

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Morris is still coasting on Clinton’s “triangulation” strategy, and his fifteen minutes for that should long since have run out.

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I’m not giving any money for charity, period. Let them turn to the government for help, after all my tax dollars are paying for that.

This is why I didn’t give any money for Hurricane Sandy. Those were blue states that were affected and they can go pound sand. Pun intended.

dukecitygirl on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Election exit questions: If liberal policies are so awesome, why are people fleeing the coasts to come to Texas?

bitsy on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM

If the Obama EPA gets its way there won’t be any rebound. High energy costs will drive a lot of heavy industry out of the country and suck up consumers’ disposable income.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

This also means that “inherited problems” excuse is not going to fly anymore — this time four years from now, Barack Obama will have a much more difficult time avoiding accountability for our economic stagnation (although I wouldn’t underestimate him — the Congressional-gridlock excuse is still on tap), and if the rate at which this supposed economic rebound is taking place continues to look so very historic in that it’s happening at less than a snail’s pace, maybe we’ll collectively start catching the drift of who’s fault it really is.

With the help of the media (ALL of which is dead to me, incidentally), he hid behind the historic nature of his candidacy (if you know what I mean) to avoid accountability for his past and his lack of experience in ’08, and he did the same thing to escape accountability for his record this time around. What makes you think it’ll be any different 4 years from now? He’ll be graded on a huge curve regardless of what happens…unemployment is higher NOW than when he took office, and that was touted as success. It could be higher in 2016, and the Democrat Party will still get a pass.

We’re well on our way off that fiscal cliff, and for the past several months the focus was on Mitt Romney’s tax rate, Big Bird, and binders. Believing that people will get wise to the cold, hard facts takes a giant leap of faith.

changer1701 on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

The economy will again be in recession in 2013. (Would have happened no matter who won). The fundamental problems have not been (and won’t be) addressed. Europe’s debt crisis hasn’t gone away — and neither has ours.

Even if Obama succeeds in raising income tax rates on the top earners, we are staring at endless amounts of red ink, Bernanke-backed federal reserve money printing, and increased inflation in food and energy (which won’t be counted by the government).

The ultimate resolution of the global debt crisis will shape the world that we’re living in, and the Dems have no answers.

Things will get worse, before they get better.

Revenant on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I said it in another post. Sit back, buckle your seatbelts, hold on tight (especially your wallet) and watch the disintigration begin. This country is broke and Obama and the Democrats (our pathetic Republican HR will assist) will drive it off the “cliff” at full speed now. It’s going to be a rough ride indeed.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

“And I cover this in my new book…”

forest on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Im done with Fox News, partially due to them putting people like Morris and Rove on, among others. They are self serving slime balls. I dont even think Morris is really a conservative. He just figured he could get more publicity, more money by all the gullible fools on our side who spend millions on all these peoples books they are always pushing.

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 AM

If the historians are like the lsm…dear leader will not be blamed for anything that goes bad for this country

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 AM

If we’ve reached that point where the # voters that want cradle-to-grave socialism is perpetually greater than the number of voters that want to live in a free society, then where do we go from here?

smfic on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

We have certainly reached that point. WHere we go from here? the way of European social democracies, and possibly even the way of Venezuela and Argentina. This has been coming for a long time, last night it finally became patently obvious that our electorate has culminated its move towards a government centered society, we are not going back until we go much further down.

neuquenguy on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 AM

HellCare bill is set in stone now

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

In theory reviving the Tenth Amendment is a great idea…but in practice it is pointless.

The Democratic Party, and 51% of the American electorate, have shown themselves to be indifferent or hostile to the US Constitution. Obama will simply swat state’s rights objections aside, and the GOP leadership in the House, and Chief Justice John Roberts will go right along with him.

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

and if the rate at which this supposed economic rebound is taking place continues to look so very historic in that it’s happening at less than a snail’s pace, maybe we’ll collectively start catching the drift of who’s fault it really is.

If the Dems and MSM can get away with creating the illusion that the economy has been getting better for the last four years, they can and will continue it for the next four.

antipc on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I just don’t see a silver lining here.

shinty on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Maddow thinks the economy will now miraculously rebound?

darwin on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

All I want to know at this point is – when is Texas going to exercise its right to disband from the union? I have plans to make.

Texas even has their own energy assets and their own exclusive power grid.

michaelthomas on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Consequential is right…We get to face the consequences.

Thanks to just over half the population we get to enjoy the benefits of a consequential president. Hardest hit…23 million+ and counting unemployed

abnormal_1 on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I was told by a co worker at work that our company owners should pay more in taxes. I asked him where our pay raises would come from then. He responded they should give us raises too.

I then asked him if he owned his own company what he would do. Would he be happy for me to take 1000 from him to give billy bob because he had less… all he could do is shrug and walk away. This is the mindset. No one cares if it does not directly screw them.

Well, my conservative friends, its time for them to pay the piper. You know what, when they come crying I will turn my back on them. Not because I do not care, but sometimes you only can teach via “tough love” and we are going to have to do this to our own countrymen and women… not because we want to, but because they NEED TO LEARN.

watertown on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

What is the deal with Micheal Barone – 325, my tush. What a complete disappointment after I hung my hat on that guy’s expertise.

sherry on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Women accuse Men of only thinking with their private part. However, women will vote straight vajayjay.

Conservative women need not respond, I know what you think. Conservative women need to headways with these women.

Also, are guys watching the stock market. Que fiscal cliff.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

This is Karl Rove RINOism at it’s best complete with election day vote count fraud for good measure.

I say give the POS everything he wants, everything and then some. Let the whole damn thing collapse so we can finally fix it.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

+1 changer

cmsinaz on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Things will get worse, before they get better.

Revenant on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I’m afraid you’re right–there is no easy fix for the jam 51% of the electorate just out us in.

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’ll either get branded a nut or be totally ignored. Doesn’t really matter.

But I think this election signals the can-no-longer-be-stopped decline of America and, in the bigger picture, the beginning of the end of the world as prophesied in Revelations. With ObamaCare now a permanent part of our lives, continued economic stagnation and lack of job prospects for those who want to work to better their lives, an inexorable shift to a society of takers over makers, probable shifing of the Supreme Court to a more liberal bent, and the furtherance of social decadence (with continual expansion of same-sex marriage and itinerant moral decay from other even-more puerile forms of marriages/relationships), the die is cast for a world without God to eventually become a reality. I believe this is inevitable. It’s just a matter of how fast the end comes about.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I posted this on the “status quo” thread but it fits here even better.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Our national cancer has now progressed to Stage IV. In order for us to survive, we need to go through a lengthy and painful process. There are no guarantees other than that it will hurt.

TheLoudTalker on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 AM

It doesn’t matter what 51% of the American people think. It only matters what the Red majorities in Red states think. If the entire South plus TX and OK, for example decided that Obamacare was null and void within their borders, WTH can the Feds do about it?

I’ve written off the Blue states, my goal is to save the Red states. Let the Blue states sink. I just don’t want to go down with them.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

A true Conservative does not watch or support Fox News.

Mr. Arrogant on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Er, non-white racial solidarity and defending your lady parts take precedence if you’re already convinced beyond argument that the economic deck is stacked against you. Plus, Romney couldn’t even sweep the (white, male, heterosexual) voters for whom the above is entirely irrelevant.

Seth Halpern on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Now is the time we need to start fighting back.

Hold John Boehner’s toes to the fire, and demand that he gives not one penny to Dear Liar to spend as he pleases.

We don’t need to defund anything, we simply just have to start not funding all these agencies.

rbj on November 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM

You really think that after the next 4 years it will be Obama’s fault for the continued economic mess?

They’ll just blame Bush/House Republicans like always, and it will work.

If somehow the economy gets better it’s Obama’s doing, if it still stinks by 2016, BOOOSH!!!!

PEP on November 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Kristen Soltis ‏@KLSoltis

Just did some crunching. Romney got 1.8 million more votes than Obama among voters 30+. He lost under-30s by 5.1 million. Game over.
Retweeted by Allah Pundit

Says it all. The youngest, least informed among us voted for Obama

bucsox79 on November 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I said it in another post. Sit back, buckle your seatbelts, hold on tight (especially your wallet) and watch the disintigration begin. This country is broke and Obama and the Democrats (our pathetic Republican HR will assist) will drive it off the “cliff” at full speed now. It’s going to be a rough ride indeed.

Yup, the country’s reached the tipping point. You can stand on the brakes all you want, all they’ll do is smoke. Boehner can break the glass and push the big red button marked “SEQUESTER”, that’s about all he can do at this point. But I’m betting he’s not big enough to do it.

By the end of his second term, Obama and Reid will have stuffed the courts with enough liberals that we’ll never get our freedoms back. Kiss those amendments goodbye.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM

So many experts,pundits,bloggers,comment writers on the Republican side with so many wrong answers, analysis and predictions.

Quite amazing.

albill on November 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Also, are guys watching the stock market. Que fiscal cliff.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

The dollar is beginning it’s inevitable collapse under the QE3 also. The market will probably rise for the short term because of dollar collapse before it goes bust too.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The divided house is coming.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Regardless of who won the election, we’re in for serious (read: worse) economic conditions in the near future. The difference in who we elected would determine how we recover once the crash occurs. Under a president Romney, we would have had the chance of a quicker recovery; but alas, under an Obama presidency, we’re in for a long haul of misery.

This morning after hearing the news of an Obama re-election win, I was reminded of the Clubber Lang clip from Rocky III where he says “Pain.” That video clip is our future.

Weebork on November 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Sandy victims, Red Cross, telethons, “Text XXXX to donate…..”

Can’t President KickAss just print more money? Jeesh! ObamaStash, you people, ObamaStash.

Marcus on November 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Anytime the mindless electorate reelects the worst president of our time, it’s bound to be consequential.

rplat on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Obama’s reelection means that his will be a consequential presidency

Well, we certainly all agree on that.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

The dollar is beginning it’s inevitable collapse under the QE3 also. The market will probably rise for the short term because of dollar collapse before it goes bust too.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Yeah, the idiots on Wall Street really seem to dig money printing.

forest on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Says it all. The youngest, least informed among us voted for Obama

Conservatives gave up control of the schools and colleges to liberals. Reap what you sow.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I advised my 20 year old son to get a government job this morning. That’s really the only growth industry in this country for the time being.

mbs on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I know Rick Perry fumbled a debate or two, and I don’t blame people here at HA for not giving him their support after that. He probably wasn’t very electable on a national scale.

However, I sure am glad that I live in Texas, and Perry is our governor. He has done more to stand up to Obama than any other politician out there. Just look at Chris Christy slobbering all over Obama. I hope Perry continues to fight Obamacare and to fight the EPA. I hope TX ignores them all and continues to build power plants and refineries.

bitsy on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Get ready for Kagan/Sotomayor redux.

Hopefully this country is strong enough to withstand a full on liberal blast.

rightConcept on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM

That was always the true danger of a second term for Mao..the rest of the stuff was just distraction and cherrys on top.

If there was fraud and electronic deception thats one thing..if the people are that stupid, then it’s all over.

Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Um. Obama is no longer accountable to anyone for ANYTHING.

That’s why people who are paying attention are concerned.

Washington Nearsider on November 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Yeah, the idiots on Wall Street really seem to dig money printing.

Wall Street gets first crack at the new money, before it’s devalued. It’s a short-term gain for them, looks good on the books, but it’s looking like Zimbabwe to me.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:46 AM

The economy was going to rebound anyway, Obama now gets to take full credit for it. Conservatives have ceded too much ground in public institutions (schools, infrastructure, government) and in cultural institutions. I recently read a comment on a previous thread saying that with Obamacare, they or someone they knew was getting out of medical school along with other conservative med students. This only cedes even more ground to the left. The insularity of conservatives is what is doing them in, and their refusal to acknowledge even for a moment that they need to have a serious soul searching and a re-examination of their view of society.

RedRedRice on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Um. Obama is no longer accountable to anyone for ANYTHING.

That’s why people who are paying attention are concerned.

Washington Nearsider on November 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I had a thought last night. Obama might end up being the George W. Bush. I’m probably wrong.

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 AM

So when can I stop worrying about putting gas in my car?
Or paying my mortgage?

Electrongod on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I advised my 20 year old son to get a government job this morning. That’s really the only growth industry in this country for the time being.

I have one, but I’m smart enough to know that they’re only safe for as long as the country remains prosperous. Too bad Washington and the majority can’t figure that out.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Who is to blame? I’ll tell you who is to blame!

Number 1! The GOP has only itself to blame! When you show contempt for your base by over and over nominating people the base doesn’t want, this is what you get. Really, look at how desperately we wanted anyone but Mitt in the GOP primaries. Yet, they took down each and everyone of the alternatives, starting with Palin (Bush in a base election got 62mil votes vs. 57mil for Romney 8 years later!)

Number 2!! The GOP/Bush Clan is to blame for where we are right now. Ronald Reagan, a true conservative, left the GOP with support across the board. But the Bush Family systematically destroyed everything that Reagan gained for the GOP. IF we don’t rid of the GOP of the Bush Establishment this party will be a permanent minority party.

Number Three!!! Justice John Roberts’ should be burned in effigy! He had a chance to end the ever increasing encroachment of government for a generation at least and severely hamper Obama’s reelection. Instead, he put his stamp of approval on Obamacare. With a GOP nominee who created the blueprint and the Supreme Court upholding Obama’s biggest legislative agenda, really, we didn’t have a chance.


Number 4!!!!
John Coryn needs to go! What an absolute disgrace he has been in leading the NRSC. He had two ripe opportunities to put the GOP in control of the Senate and utterly failed. He has to be replaced as head of the NRSC!

Number 5!!!!! The conservative media and idiots like Dick Morris and Sean Hannity and the poll skewers like Ed Morrissey. I love Ed Morrissey, more the rest I mentioned and he generally is good analytically, but this was a royal miss! It was evident for a long time that Romney was not cleaning up in OH and the rest of the battleground states and in not pointing this out, Romney was allowed to run a mystifying campaign in which he didn’t get down and dirty on Obama. Especially on Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and many other issues that have been an absolute national disgrace (Bob Woodward’s book, etc). Romney had to know he was behind post-debates and didn’t get more aggressive and I believe it’s because of the pass the conservative media gave him with their “analysis.”

Don’t tell me Hotair.com that there’s no one to blame! Reagan didn’t leave the party like this. This has been a long, long decline in our party owing to the ineffectual and corrupt GOP Establishment. Conservatives need to take control of this party or see this country decline permanently and the world be run by the Chinese. I spit on the GOP. It’s time for a new political party!

milemarker2020 on November 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM

It doesn’t matter what 51% of the American people think. It only matters what the Red majorities in Red states think. If the entire South plus TX and OK, for example decided that Obamacare was null and void within their borders, WTH can the Feds do about it?

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

That’s not the problem with Obamacare. The problem is that it’s going to crush the healthcare industry with mandates and kill the health insurance industry by making it less competitive. The price of insurance is going to skyrocket with all the coverage that every American needs to carry and the lack of companies who can offer it.

None of which can be sequestered outside a state’s borders. The market permeates. When there are fewer doctors, it will be harder to get health care.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Um. Obama is no longer accountable to anyone for ANYTHING.

That’s why people who are paying attention are concerned.

Washington Nearsider on November 7, 2012 at 9:45 AM

That was always obvious..and not enough people cared and chose willful ignorance or blind hope. Everyone else has to live with the consequences. Lets be honest. There is no hope with Obama picking 2-3 lifetime SCOTUS appointments, and thats where we woke up this morning.

Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM

It doesn’t matter what 51% of the American people think. It only matters what the Red majorities in Red states think. If the entire South plus TX and OK, for example decided that Obamacare was null and void within their borders, WTH can the Feds do about it?

I’ve written off the Blue states, my goal is to save the Red states. Let the Blue states sink. I just don’t want to go down with them.

Charlemagne on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The red states can continue to resist setting up the exchanges but the IRS is the unavoidable elephant in the room that can ramrod individuals with the penalty “Roberts tax”.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Just let it burn down, and rebuild in the ashes.

Gatsu on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I hate to say it, but I agree. It’s the only way people will learn. I say we start by giving them exactly what they want… let the Bush tax cuts expire and let the economy tank.

dominigan on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

So when can I stop worrying about putting gas in my car?
Or paying my mortgage?

Electrongod on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I might go Amish, but second amendment Amish. /s

Oil Can on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Nothing is going to happen but more of the same.

Those that expected free unicorns from Obama are still going to be waiting four years from now.

Moesart on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Winter is coming.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I was thinking that last night. This is what we get for turning a blind eye to liberal public education.
I have 3 children. One a product of all years on public ed and that one is hugely liberal. Did I turn a blind eye? Yes. Did I know what was happening? Yes. Will it happen again with the 3rd? No way in hell.

ORconservative on November 7, 2012 at 9:52 AM

The red states can continue to resist setting up the exchanges but the IRS is the unavoidable elephant in the room that can ramrod individuals with the penalty “Roberts tax”.

Bitter Clinger on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Not if the states decide to follow the doctrine of interpositionalism. It’s the idea that states intervene on behalf of their citizens and act as a protective proxy against the federal government. One aspect is that they start collecting the federal taxes for the citizens, to forward to the IRS… anonymously. Thus individuals are protected from direct actions by the IRS since they don’t know the details of the taxpayers.

dominigan on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Come to California where we just passed a tax hike (i heard). No, it can get a lot worse.

deadite on November 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Yes, damn it. Prop 30 passed. A income and sales tax hike. Plus the income tax is retroactive to Jan 1st 2012. That’s right, if you are paying estimated taxes this year, you are already behind by a huge sum.

I work for a small business, about 30 employees in Silicon Valley. I’m sure our usual x-mas bonuses are written off. I bet we’ll have to let go or convert to part-time some of our fresh out of college employees. When I talked to the owner a few months ago, he was taking an informal poll of who might be willing to move out of state…

SPCOlympics on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Just letting the economy tank won’t fix it as the Marxist will consolidate power. We are going to have to fight, literally.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I advised my 20 year old son to get a government job this morning. That’s really the only growth industry in this country for the time being.

I have one, but I’m smart enough to know that they’re only safe for as long as the country remains prosperous. Too bad Washington and the majority can’t figure that out.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I’ve got one too. For now. Sequestration will see me unemployed.

Washington Nearsider on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 AM

So when does Israel attack?

diogenes on November 7, 2012 at 9:54 AM

This is just staggering. Anyone with a job that voted for Obama must know they voted against their best interest. Anyone with any desire to succeed and improve their lot in life that voted for Obama voted against their best interest.
If we’ve reached that point where the # voters that want cradle-to-grave socialism is perpetually greater than the number of voters that want to live in a free society, then where do we go from here?

smfic on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Have you ever dealt with clueless people who end up having to declare bankruptcy because they lack the common sense and self-control to live within a budget?

You are dramatically overestimating these people’s observational and lifestyle management skills.

Anti-Control on November 7, 2012 at 9:54 AM

To all Brothers and Sisters in the 49 states. Welcome to the “California Experience”.No need to hang on to your wallets for they are a thing of the past. Just hang on and enjoy the ride/s

jeffinsjvca on November 7, 2012 at 9:55 AM

milemarker2020 on November 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I disagree. Who’s to blame are the people who didn’t vote or voted 3rd party or were too ignorant to see the importance of this particular election cycle and sit out the election one.more.time….because “there is no difference between the two parties”.

This is sooo dumb. It’s the same mentality that McCain had when he stated that there was noting to fear from an Obama presidency…which is basically saying that there is no operational difference between the two.

Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM

It’s the demographics, plus the anti-White agenda. Mass immigration and the browning of America shift the playing field a percent or two in favor of liberals every election cycle, and the left uses it with ruthless awareness of their advantage, for example by urging Hispancs to punish their enemies, which they obviously did.

Meantime, the Republican Party, which gets 90% of its votes from Whites, has done nothing to protect its base from mass immigration, affirmative action or anything else.

The McCain dream of Hispanic hordes riding to the rescue was crazy.

The Republican Party has to help besieged working class While males so that they can help it. It it doesn’t, it’s just going down and down and down.

David Blue on November 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Going Galt. Time to stop giving and start taking. Getting my piece of that government cheese.

gaius on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Gaius, not good enough. We’ve been “Going Taggart” for years now, working diligently to educate people and turn things around on a philosophical grounds. After 4 years of economic floundering, a majority of the US voted for continuing the same path.

From this point, it’s all about “Going d’Anconia”. I will now be a life-long Democrat. I will give the people precisely what they want. I will support their votes for State dependency, for Big Government, for regulations, for higher taxes, for mercantilism.

And when the day of reckoning comes, I will turn to those people and say, “Did I not do what you asked of me?”

Hootie on November 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I don’t care who you are, trading in your self worth for an EBT card, an Obamaphone and other “freebies” just isn’t worth it.

That’s where we are and it’s more than 47% and growing.

But great news, you young O voters, you’ve been groomed for a life of working less than 30 hours a week. Just think of all the free time you’ll have to play your video games. Just run out every 2 years and vote for the folks who are “looking out for you” and “sticking it to those evil rich folks”.

Freaking generation of Peter Pans.

reaganaut on November 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Winter is coming.

Socratease on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Blow, blow, thou winter wind
Thou art not so unkind
As man’s ingratitude;
Thy tooth is not so keen,
Because thou art not seen,
Although thy breath be rude.

dddave on November 7, 2012 at 10:01 AM

almost an inevitable economic rebound that would’ve happened with anybody as president

Bwahahahahahahahaha

more like an inevitable economic collapse …. spin as much as ya like, honey… but the laws of economics won’t be denied…. and the hope of exceptional Americans creating new industries and inventions saving your statist butt….. is all by squashed with gubRmint and your ilk picking da winners and losers.

best investments for the next 4 years. Gold & Kool-Aid Stock

roflmao

donabernathy on November 7, 2012 at 10:01 AM

The most consequential thing about Obama is that he has proven that there is an anti-White majority, such that you can win as a leftist by consciously, deliberately writing off the White American working class male.

He will not be the last leftist who will want to win like that.

David Blue on November 7, 2012 at 10:01 AM

This also means that “inherited problems” excuse is not going to fly anymore

Does anyone really believe that? We’ve been saying that the last 3 years, and people still blame Bush more than Obama. Nothing will stick to this man, and it’s foolish to believe otherwise.

Esthier on November 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM

The economy getting better is not inevitable. It was nothing more than Meme planting by the socialists to deflect from their guys failing policies because they knew the economy would get better under a Republican administration.

Get used to hearing how chocolate rations are up because that’s the only way this economy will be better for the next 4 years.

I’m going Galt.

Skywise on November 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Those that expected free unicorns from Obama are still going to be waiting four years from now.

Moesart on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM

….and it will still be Bush’s fault..and the AGW deniers…and Bible thumpers..and “rich people”..etc, keeping wind mills and solar panels from making energy free.

Mimzey on November 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM

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