Looking at the national exit poll

posted at 7:21 pm on November 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

I know you’re polled out, but with all the navel-gazing today about demographics and the future of the GOP, I figured people might want a link to the numbers behind last night’s disaster. Here’s CNN’s version, Fox News’s version, and WaPo’s version, which breaks the trend lines down by arrows. (Mouse over for the numbers.) Noteworthy: The sample does apparently include respondents from all 50 states. There was some question about that after news broke last month that the exit pollster would exclude voters in 19 states, but WaPo reported at the time that that was only true of individual state-level exits. The master poll at the national level would incorporate people from everywhere, so it should be a decent yardstick for comparison against 2008.

One question I’m seeing in the comments is, “Did evangelicals turn out for Romney”? Yep, looks that way. Turnout among Protestants generally dropped slightly from 2008 (54% to 53%) but Romney’s share of the vote increased from 54% to 57%. Among white evangelicals specifically, turnout was steady at 26% of the electorate from four years ago and Romney took 78% of the vote compared to just 74% for McCain. If you’d rather slice the data by how often people go to church, the number who attend at least weekly rose from 39% in 2008 to 42% this time. McCain won 55% of that group. Romney won 59%. He improved on McCain’s numbers among Jewish voters too, from 21% of the vote in 2008 to 30% this time (or maybe more), the highest take for a Republican since 1988. If there’s any religious group that underperformed for him, it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

The interest in the comments in evangelicals, I think, is due to people looking at Romney’s popular vote total and wondering where all the votes went. McCain won just shy of 60 million votes in 2008. As I’m writing this, Politico’s popular vote tracker has Romney at 57.6 million. Where’d all the votes go? Possible answer: Nowhere. They’re out there, they just haven’t been counted yet, says John Podhoretz:

As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.

Could be that Romney turned out more than McCain, just not as many as O. This was always the challenge for Mitt: Obama won in 2008 with nearly 10 million more votes than McCain did, so he could afford to have millions of apathetic liberals stay home and still win. The lingering question is why Romney couldn’t turn out millions more Republicans to close the gap. I have no answers. Maybe the GOP in its current form has effectively maxed out national turnout. Or maybe they’re losing voters faster than they can replace them. The advantage of relying heavily on senior citizens, as the GOP does, is that they turn out reliably on election day. The disadvantage is, er, that they die, just as 18-year-olds — most of whom are pro-Obama — are coming onto the rolls. In fact, Romney won with the 54% of the electorate that was aged 45 or older. But thanks to Obama’s margin with younger voters, it wasn’t enough:

Obama actually won the 45-64 age group in 2008 (50/49) and he won younger voters by a bigger margin then (66/32) than he did this time. But it didn’t matter; the most eye-popping result from the entire exit poll, I think, is the fact that turnout among voters aged 18-29 actually increased this time (18% to 19%) from the Hopenchange-y zeitgeist moment of 2008. The sickest irony of yesterday’s result is that young voters, who have the most to lose from Democratic resistance to entitlement reform, are possibly the voters most responsible for ensuring O’s second term. More from Kristen Soltis:

Another revealing data point about the young blue electorate:

Other numbers? Romney won independents nationally by five and by similar margins in key states, but thanks to Obama’s amazing turnout effort (D+6!), it wasn’t enough. As you’ve likely heard, he lost Latinos 71/27 this time after McCain lost them 67/31; Latino turnout was also up a point nationally and may very well have won Florida for Obama. (Between that and the fact that 65% of voters sampled say illegals should be given a chance to apply for legal status, a GOP cave on immigration reform is all but assured.) As you’ve likely not heard, Obama won Asians by nearly the same margin as Latinos, 73/26, an 11-point improvement on how he did in 2008. (Asian turnout as a percentage of the electorate also increased by a point.) It’s not obvious to me what Romney or the GOP did policy-wise to alienate Asians specifically, but the perception that they’re “the white party” might be enough. Hence the agony among Republican analysts about the demographics in the exits.

This election was about the economy, though, wasn’t it? How’d Mitt do with that? Answer: Not so good.

A 10-point loss on the crucial issue of unemployment. On the question of who’d be better for the economy, Romney won by just one point, possibly because a plurality was convinced that things are getting better:

Hard to win an “economy election” if not even one-third of voters think conditions are deteriorating on election day. Hard to win too if you can’t crack 40% on the incumbent in this metric:

Finally, one more surprising detail about when people decided:

Romney lost every range except … September? September was the month of the “47 percent,” when he was getting pounded daily by Team O and fell behind in the national polls by four points. It was the low point of the campaign for him. The Mile High Massacre at the first debate that brought him back to life happened on October 3. What I think you’re seeing in the data here is people misremembering when the first debate was; they know it was “a long time ago” and that they made up their mind for Romney afterward, so they’re guessing it was September. As for the true late deciders, though, I’ve been resisting the explanation that Obama’s paint-by-numbers approach to looking “presidential” during a hurricane really could have swung some votes for him but it’s hard not to think so after looking at this. In fact, if you can believe it, 42% of voters claimed that Obama’s hurricane response was “important” to their vote (they broke 68/31 for O) and 64 percent said it was a “factor” (62/36 for O). And thus did a political career charmed by unbelievable luck get the luckiest break of all. I’ll leave you with this, from an apolitical friend of mine in NYC who e-mailed me last night in utter frustration at the result: “serious, hurricane sandy is actually factoring in in this election. If f*ckin bush had been president they’d say he let NY die. Meanwhile Obama is looking ‘presidential’ in the wake of this major disaster. Meanwhile people have no homes.” Anger at media bias — it’s not just for political junkies anymore.

Update: A friend e-mails with a good point about those late deciders. Maybe Romney won September because of Benghazi. Watching terrorists overrun a barely defended U.S. consulate and murder the ambassador surely did swing a few votes against the Foreign Policy President. But if that’s true and the September data above is accurate, then it may also mean that my theory about people misremembering is wrong and that Romney’s big comeback at the first debate may have helped him less than we thought.


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Last night I felt we need to obstruct EVERY liberal agenda. I now believe a better way would be for our congress and repubican senators to vote like our President did.. Present.

Let them have what they want. This is all going to explode sooner or later anyway.. so how about it we just let them have it all their way. Really let them own it. Every little bit. It is coming and fast.. the Chinese will demand a payup as they fall into the explosion of their bubbles, they will want another debt limit increase.. let it happen and perhaps we can build for our kids out of it.

Noelie on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Well, thats good news. Romney might actually turn out as many voters as McCain did.

I think 2008 Democrats had a party affiliation rate of 42% and Republicans down around 33%.
2012 had a party affiliation rate of Democrats around 32% and Republicans around 39%.

astonerii on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I’m watching O’Reily and Bernie Goldberg is on saying if the GOP runs a real conservative it would be a mistake. Heard the same thing said about Reagan in 1980. And isn’t it remarkable how a far left Marxist on the democrat side doesn’t seem to be a mistake for the democrats.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

If you are going through hell, keep going! I would like to think last night is some sort of conservative “rope-a-dope”, in which statists will expend themselves into uselessness by 2014. At least that’s my theory, and I am clinging bitterly to it.

Mutnodjmet on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

In sum, our best bet at winning Latinos is blocking amnesty, and giving them 4 more years of Obama’s economy… if I were going to cave, as an offer of goodwill, I’d offer dreamer’s work permits in exchange for E-Verify and crack down on sanctuary cities.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Well, those are good idea.

We should “offer dreamers” a paid airline ticket home and time to take advantage of it. I know, I know, not their fault they’re here, they’re victims, but now that they’ve learned all about who they are, more than time for them to resolve their situations.

/get a green card to stay for four years, a paid airline ticket, time to plan and go home. Rewarding them is a huge mistake, it only creates more of the problem and history has shown abundantly that that is so.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM

No, El_Terrible, IT WAS THE MAID THEATRICAL SOAP OPERA that the LeftMedia promoted. Up until that, she was leading in polls.

Dude, she was close to even in the polls on election day (within 5). She lost in a landslide. GOP can’t get above 39/38% here.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I was enjoying an AMC series on netflix last evening to calm my nerves, Walking Dead.

Ironically, it comes to mind reading suggestion of what to be done about idiotic/selfish voters… The ‘human’ characters demonstrated an effective way of dispatching the ‘walkers’……

socalcon on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Scrumpy on November 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Could have said that a bit clearer…I will continue to vote for conservative candidates for all offices at all levels of government. But when it comes to voting for bond issues and other local referendums I will give them what they want until we start to get some sanity back. Our city counsel has one moderate and one republican (cant really call him conservative) and all the other 6 seats on the counsel are liberals, not to mention the Mayor and City Manager are screaming liberals. Independent City in VA so no County to possibly counter balance.

donkichi on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I agree with you.

I think our best shot now is to block any amnesty.

Latinos really do believe that Obama owes them big. It was the only thing that Univision was talking about. Every person they interviewed, “Obama owes us immigration reform now! No excuses! We delivered he has to deliver”

If Obama doesn’t deliver, I think they’ll be off the bandwagon and then Rubio can blame Obama in 2016 for not finding a compromise.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Why do these people basically act like the stereotypes and then get upset at these stereotypes? I mean seriously? Obama takes blacks for granted because he knows they’ll vote for him. Their unemployment rate is double that of whites under Obama and what do they do? They vote for the moron anyway because he’s black and supposedly has their back and they get upset at us claiming just a hint of racism in their actions and instead call us racist. Then the Latino community gets upset because they think we are picking on them and calling all of them criminals and what do they do? They call for amnesty of people in their community who are criminals. Argh the sheer ignorance and intellectual apathy of these people is mind boggling and maddening.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Maybe “47%” was a winning issue.

JKahn913 on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 PM

ugh… i’m just frustrated right now

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM

The only consolation I take from last night is Wisconsin–despite completely baffling me and electing Baldwin and Obama–actually increased the Republican majority in the state government. It’s about the only thing keeping me from looking for a job in a completely Republican state instead of the bipolar political mess this one can be.

I hate myself for saying it, but I hope every person who voted for Obama ends up losing their job, their house, and every bit of material wealth they hold dear from their decision. Let them learn that consequences have actions.

Phoenix7 on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Screw it. Where’s my free sh*t?

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hillbillyjim on November 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Demand free ammo.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Why do these people basically act like the stereotypes and then get upset at these stereotypes? I mean seriously? Obama takes blacks for granted because he knows they’ll vote for him. Their unemployment rate is double that of whites under Obama and what do they do? They vote for the moron anyway because he’s black and supposedly has their back and they get upset at us claiming just a hint of racism in their actions and instead call us racist. Then the Latino community gets upset because they think we are picking on them and calling all of them criminals and what do they do? They call for amnesty of people in their community who are criminals. Argh the sheer ignorance and intellectual apathy of these people is mind boggling and maddening.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 PM

As long as there is gelt in the kitty, the reprobates will come like brain starved zombies. Their motivation is pure base…animal instinct. Greed, envy, sloth, gluttony…etc…
It isn’t any more sophisticated than that.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

@gatewaypundit: Hours After Obama Victory – Administration Backs UN Arms Treaty http://t.co/i9RM4K4Q via @gatewaypundit

And so it begins….

donkichi on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Why should Republicans bend over?
tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Uh, we’ll I figured that would be obvious by now, but it’s because Republicans are in a minority position in our government. You can’t rule from the minority. You can pull it off for one election cycle after a gain on the promise that more is to come, but when you LOSE seats the next time around, the parties over. Obama has gotten a number of things he wanted, and at a very high political cost because the party in the minority played things that were EVEN THEIR EFFING IDEAS TO BEGIN WITH as the overturning and death of America. I’m sorry guys, but the American people don’t want that. That want a government that functions on more than trying to destroy and demonize your opponents before they’ve even taken office for electoral hope in the next cycle.

Republicand are in the minority. Fight, of course! Make our voices heard, make the democrats give as well as take. But be honest and upstanding instead of disengenuous and fire breathing at anything the other guy does. Republicans will HAVE to bend over some and let the majority do the job they were elected to do. We got 4 years out of stonewalling, playing, poison pills, and downright divisive dirty politics from before Obama even took office.

It’s just not gonna work anymore right now. That’s why. And because as the minority, their role is not that of decider, policy police, and governing party. It’s just the facts.

But by all means, lose some more elections if you want. Or take ole’ boys suggestion from above and raise the voting age to 30. Why not remove women’s suffrage and reinstitute poll taxes while you’re at it. Might be the only other route here folks.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:02 PM

@gatewaypundit: Hours After Obama Victory – Administration Backs UN Arms Treaty http://t.co/i9RM4K4Q via @gatewaypundit

And so it begins….

donkichi on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The war goes hot if they push this.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I was enjoying an AMC series on netflix last evening to calm my nerves, Walking Dead.

Ironically, it comes to mind reading suggestion of what to be done about idiotic/selfish voters… The ‘human’ characters demonstrated an effective way of dispatching the ‘walkers’……

socalcon on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 PM

That’s so weird.

I was just going to post the Walking Dead is now a metaphor for Two Americas.

budfox on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Chris Christie really did lose the election for us. He was kissing but to get aid so I can’t hate the guy, but he sure bent us over.

tomas on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

“The Manuel Ortiz Talk Show”

Just some comedic relief here…

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I’m watching O’Reily and Bernie Goldberg is on saying if the GOP runs a real conservative it would be a mistake. Heard the same thing said about Reagan in 1980. And isn’t it remarkable how a far left Marxist on the democrat side doesn’t seem to be a mistake for the democrats.

the problem is this is 2012 not 1980.

latinos and gays a far bigger force

gerrym51 on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

@gatewaypundit: Hours After Obama Victory – Administration Backs UN Arms Treaty http://t.co/i9RM4K4Q via @gatewaypundit

And so it begins….

donkichi on November 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The war goes hot if they push this.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

No one will do a damn thing. No one has yet about anything else.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

To those that fear that economic ruin/depression is inevitable over the next four years, what would you say caused the (circa) 2008 crisis? I promise not to argue or debate you, I just really want to know what you think got us to that point and if there was any action taken that prevented the situation from becoming much worse.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Still funny, another episode:

“The Manuel Ortiz Talk Show”

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

the problem is this is 2012 not 1980.

latinos and gays a far bigger force

gerrym51 on November 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Same thing was said about other groups in 1980. But go ahead and keep thinking that being more like democrats will win a republican anything.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

But it didn’t matter; the most eye-popping result from the entire exit poll, I think, is the fact that turnout among voters aged 18-29 actually increased this time (18% to 19%) from the Hopenchange-y zeitgeist moment of 2008.

Actually Allahpundit, the most eye popping result of this is that Obama actually won 30-44 year olds by 1 point more than in 08, 52-45 in 12 as opposed to 52-46 in 08. Even more eye popping is the fact that 30-44 year old participation rate DROPPED a full 2 points from 29% to 27%.

Considering it is virtually sure at least 7 million less people voted in 12 than even in 08, and that will be the final count, and the increase in minority vote it’s pretty clear there are millions of white 30-44 year olds that simply did not vote this time.

I would suggest this age group knows just how bad it is going to be for them and are no longer young enough to think Obama will make it all nicey nice and are not motivated to vote by race. They just didn’t believe Romney and the Republicans would do any better and bowed out entirely.

Why were Romney and the Republican’s completely unable to convince these millions of 30-44 year olds that their future would be worth voting for with them in office?

These people bought into the hope and change 4 years ago. Given they got off the Hope and Change Express why was Romney unable to get them on board with him?

Rocks on November 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

GRACIOUS CONCESSION SPEECHES by gop nominees…

A niche market….they have cornered.

Lucky us, the Teater Generation.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 PM

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Hope and Change, mitches!

And a hearty “ROFL” to all you Pennsylvanian, Ohioan, and Wisconsinite gun owners who pulled the lever for Dog Eater, you’re about to get screwed so hard your nose will bleed. Enjoy!

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 PM

It’s gotta be due to unions and the fear-factor of threats of floundering “unless Obama is relected.”

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

The unions are the only thing I can think of to explain it, as I know several public school teachers now working and a couple who are retired — Catholics, to boot — who voted in lockstep for Obama. One of the retired teachers kept bragging on FB about how many donations he made to O’s campaign.

I want to ask them if they know how to think for themselves independent of their teachers’ union, but I already know that answer.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Listen. This was a near run thing. There’s no reason to lose hope. Vent, relax, take a break from politics from a month. We all deserve it. But remember this:

1) In 2004 Bush got 51% and the Dems said 51% is not a mandate. They proceeded to obstruct their way to two wave elections. Well, 50% is not a mandate either. This president has lost a great deal of support and his hordes of youths aren’t showing up in midterm elections when many Dem senators are up for election in red states.

2) The economy isn’t coming back any time soon. Japan still hasn’t recovered from its asset bubble bursting 20 years ago. The lost decade is a disaster for America but an opportunity for us. Is it terrible to exploit tragedy for gain? Two words for you: Katrina, Iraq. The Dems jumped on the Iraq casualty lists like a flock of vultures, those disgusting bastards. Their terrible economic ideas are ruining the economy.

3) Obama juiced up the youth vote, but they are both going away. I was an ORCA volunteer in WI. More than 10% of votes were same day registrants, usually young/poor people. These people aren’t high intensity voters and don’t represent a permanent shift in the electorate. Get someone more folksy or cool (Romney was a good man but neither) than Hillary Clinton and we’ve got it made especially after the double dip recession. People don’t care about facts anymore, just image and soundbites.

4) In my experience, Mexicans are largely good people and would make a good addition to our country. Give em a Bush-style path to citizenship that people who are serious about it can take. With apologies to Malkin, we should have stood with Bush on that one. They don’t say it aloud, but black people really don’t like the notion of amnesty and DREAM scholarships and for good reason. Sadly, amnesty will crush the black lower class as it will introduce tons of competition for their jobs. But that is the price they must pay for voting so blindly for Dems. It just might fracture the Dem coalition. Oh and a Marco Rubio running ads in perfect Espanol on Univision would probably help alot.

xuyee on November 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Chris Christie really did lose the election for us. He was kissing but to get aid so I can’t hate the guy, but he sure bent us over.

tomas on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I saw a comment on another site:

“Three people got Obama elected: Bill Clinton, John Roberts and Chris Christie”

TxAnn56 on November 7, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Don’t count us 54 PA counties who voted for Romney only to discover it really didn’t matter anyway with the a$$holes in the 13 mostly eastern counties who voted for Obama.

It happens every damn election. We need to go to proportional assignation of electoral votes.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM

The media narrative is that the GOP is just a bunch of old racist white guys who are becoming obsolete. Granted that would be their narrative if we won. And Romney was an Extremist! The same clowns that managed to paint their formerly beloved McCain as Extremist. They are going to paint us as extremist no matter what as long as we event hint at reducing spending. We may as well get a real candidate in the race next time. If we keep meeting the far left ‘half way’ we will keep moving left. We certainly need a real fiscal conservative. Not a Romney who unleashed Romneycare on us. Not Chris Christie who jumped to carter era rationing as a first instinct. But a real fiscal conservative.

MechanicalBill on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM

what would you say caused the (circa) 2008 crisis?

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

In 2006, Dem Congress. All went downhill from there.

MrX on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Also, there’s a great deal of support for school vouchers. We should compromise taxes, DOMA, anything to get a full unrestricted voucher system nationwide. Once our children’s minds are free, we will win over the long haul. Why? Because we have more children than they do.

xuyee on November 7, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Anyone else feel more loyalty to the Gadsden Flag than the American Flag right now? Just sayin’

The Count on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Don’t count us 54 PA counties who voted for Romney only to discover it really didn’t matter anyway with the a$$holes in the 13 mostly eastern counties who voted for Obama.

It happens every damn election. We need to go to proportional assignation of electoral votes.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I understand, it’s why I singled out those fools who voted for Bark.

They and all the others who believed the lies are going to get quite the shock, and the shocks will keep coming for many years.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

We have to overcome 4 problems:

(1) GOP must find some way to overcome the MSM and Entertainment Industry.

(2) GOP needs to become more libertarian, a party name change and face lift would not hurt either. That should help with younger voters who are more selfish, but they are also more libertarian than many realize. I am not saying we need to all become Ron Paul supporters, but adopt some of his better ideas.

(3) GOP needs to gain more Latino and Asian voters. Those are two demographics that we can make headway in IF we do No. 2 above.

(4) GOP needs to be more aggressive on the offensive. You have to attack your foes in a way that will resonate with the people.

(5) GOP must make a clear break from the policies (mostly foreign policy) of GWB. GWB has become our Jimmy Carter and that ghost can scare the less informed years into the future, as it has.

William Eaton on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Actually I meant 5 above…oh well…:)

William Eaton on November 7, 2012 at 9:23 PM

3) Obama juiced up the youth vote, but they are both going away. I was an ORCA volunteer in WI. More than 10% of votes were same day registrants, usually young/poor people. These people aren’t high intensity voters and don’t represent a permanent shift in the electorate.

xuyee on November 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Gotta disagree. Young voters tend to not vote at all. In 2008, they came out and voted. They came out again this time. Not in as great a number, but they did. That means that they are here to stay. The entire Romney game plan was assuming that the level of intensity was down and young voters aren’t reliable. Well, once they vote, you have their contact info and can include them in the GOTV effort. Obama did this. It will be used in the next election. If the young voters are underestimated again, it’s game over all over again.

MrX on November 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

what would you say caused the (circa) 2008 crisis?

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

In 2006, Dem Congress. All went downhill from there.

MrX on November 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Okay. In 2006, the Democrats did win both houses of Congress. Any specific policies they enacted, with or without the President’s signature that you could point to that triggered the greatest crisis since the Great Depression? Again, I won’t debate or argue, just looking for your thoughts.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Further more!

When has Obama NOT been able to get his way?
He passed Obamacare.(At a huge political capital cost, with a republican party who’s every move and motive was to insert poison pills on, destroy at any and all costs, and make into costly bloody showdown for no other reason than the other guy stole REPUBLICAN ideas for health care reform and did them himself because he couldn’t even put a public option on it. Never once did the republicans want or try to work together on that one. It was you’re not going to succeed at anything you put forward and we’re gonna make it into a Marxist revolution to demonize you with even though all your mechanism turned out to be OUR IDEAS! Until you did them Barack, then they became the death of America.)

He passed the huge porkulus. (Yep, so did George Bush! That’s right Barack Obama passed a stimulus package during an economic crises that all the economists said we needed to do, and republicans stood on the sidelines and jeered, hissed, and took up words like “porkulus” from their AM radio advertising salesmen boosters who gave them an opportunity to feel like victims because they couldn’t control everything anymore.)

He stopped deportations and gave amnesty by executive order. (Exaggeration first. And when no matter what the guy did, Republicans tried to block it and play it as if it was the devil’s own volition that it be done, second, what else did you expect? “Ok guys, here you go, I give up, you can rule from the minority, just tell me what the rest of us can pass that you seem appropriate.”)

He stopped the Keystone pipeline. (A costly mistake to Obama that was entirely self-inflicted.)

He restricted oil drilling. (Lie, the US is set to overtake Saudi Arabia as the largest oil producer in the world, and this is at the end of his first four years. You can play with rhetorical arguments, and so, “Oh that’s DESPITE Obama.” But the fact is, drilling and refining is at a higher level here now than it has been in DECADES.)

He rejected every single budget proposed by Republicans. (Because, again, the minority should be able to demand their budget, the way they want it, without any changes or compromises with the majority, and rule from the house or representatives and the senate and president should really just learn their place, accept what we give them, and stand down, because republicans should get to win every battle, even when we lose.)

He blew through the debt ceiling. Twice. (Hi there, this is the hypocrisy phone ringing, yeah it’s for you, a message that says, “Every debt ceiling has been blown through and raised since 1980 and before. I know, a shock, even still, it shows that Obama’s administration has been complete unique in this action and the worst person on the face of the earth for not doing something different than Republicans do every time they’re in power.)

There, fify.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

4) In my experience, Mexicans are largely good people and would make a good addition to our country. Give em a Bush-style path to citizenship that people who are serious about it can take. With apologies to Malkin, we should have stood with Bush on that one…

xuyee on November 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Oh, so the crime down there is done by flying pixie monsters or somethin’…

ON A SERIOUS NOTE, we already permit millions from Mexico and other south of our border nations to immigrate legally to the US. AND their “fahmahleees.”

Years ago, something like ONE THIRD of all of Mexico’s adult population WAS IN THE U.S., many of them illegally.

No telling what it is today though I have read about some returning once they had to start paying what Americans pay for their own housing and upkeep.

It’s a myth that Mexico is somehow cheated about immigration to the US. They just want no restrictions.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I’ll say it: Trogcons like Santorum who fueled the War on Women social issues memes are largely responsible for the loss.

And even after smearing the entire GOP brand, millions of them STAYED HOME just because their pea-sized bigoted minds couldn’t vote for a Mormon. PATHETIC. THE DEMISE OF THIS COUNTRY IS ON YOU.

jjraines on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Chris Christie really did lose the election for us. He was kissing but to get aid so I can’t hate the guy, but he sure bent us over.
tomas on November 7, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Ridiculous. Yeah if that one guy hadn’t said one time that the president was doing a good job trying to work in a non partisan fashion with his state, which he was, then everything would have just been peachy.

We better stick to telling the American people our opponents are evil under any and all circumstances, even when they’re not, or else we might lose some more.

The Christie blame is bullsh*t and just trying to find any excuse to feel like a victim.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 PM

xuyee on November 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

It’s not just Mexico. It’s Guatamala, Nicauragua, Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador…on and on. Their crime and especially drug cartels are their liabilities and unfortunately there’s ongoing anger that the US puts some restrictions or tries to on those enterprises.

I’m fine with continued limitation on immigration from Latin/Central/South America. We have enough immigrants already and Mexico has long been given a head of the line of needy countries and populations.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Trogcons like Santorum who fueled the War on Women social issues memes are largely responsible for the loss.

And even after smearing the entire GOP brand, millions of them STAYED HOME just because their pea-sized bigoted minds couldn’t vote for a Mormon. PATHETIC. THE DEMISE OF THIS COUNTRY IS ON YOU.

jjraines on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

No, it’s you Progressives who loathe Christian morality and those who believe in it. You get all the help you need in attacking Christians from the Leftmedia. Santorum is a decent man, you just loathe his values and beliefs.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Ted Cruz or Rubio…

Landslide 2016, we will take 60% of the hispanic vote, easily…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Gotta disagree. Young voters tend to not vote at all. In 2008, they came out and voted. They came out again this time. Not in as great a number, but they did. That means that they are here to stay. The entire Romney game plan was assuming that the level of intensity was down and young voters aren’t reliable. Well, once they vote, you have their contact info and can include them in the GOTV effort. Obama did this. It will be used in the next election. If the young voters are underestimated again, it’s game over all over again.

MrX on November 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

However it will be interesting when Mr. Transformation is no longer the Dem nominee in 2016. Will they turn out for a older Hillary, Cuomo or Biden (LOL!). If Joe Biden is elected in 2016 then yes I will admit our country is doomed.

William Eaton on November 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Even more eye popping is the fact that 30-44 year old participation rate DROPPED a full 2 points from 29% to 27%.

You smug clown.
You don’t understand percentages or statistical analysis at all do you? Please admit that you’re just throwing out numbers you’ve heard.

it’s pretty clear there are millions of white 30-44 year olds that simply did not vote this time.

Your figures do not support what I think you’re trying to say. They sound like they do. But you’ve not presented a link between your hypothesis and your theory.

You’re probably sitting in front of your webcam with a whiteboard playing Fox and Friends.

Capitalist Hog on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You might have picked the wrong president if…

The dow falls 300+ the next day..

Check me out on twitter, I talk about the markets, my thoughts and my trades…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

(3) GOP needs to gain more Latino and Asian voters. Those are two demographics that we can make headway in IF we do No. 2 above.

William Eaton on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

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HERE’S the problem: as to people who have originated from cultures that have been communist, monarchist/dictatorships for centuries of their ancestry, how do you help them relearn that doing away with that is to their benefit?

They all are accustomed to if not expectant of maintaining underground economies in order to survive and prosper and then they extend tolerance publicly to a corrupted form of unpleasant “rule” so they vote to support the Left once in the US because that’s “just a part of their cultural norm”. It means they continue their underground economies and “pay social status” to the unpleasant but necessary grandiose celebrity.

It’s ingrained in most Asians and Hispanic/Latinos. If not something they actually need to feel secure culturally.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

No, it’s you Progressives who loathe Christian morality and those who believe in it. You get all the help you need in attacking Christians from the Leftmedia. Santorum is a decent man, you just loathe his values and beliefs.
Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Oh come on! It’s you guys who hate and attack everyone else! No one says you can’t be a Christian. No one says you can’t live a Christian life. No one says you need to go out and host parties with the gay couple down the street. They just say they don’t want YOU deciding for THEM what THEIR lives should be like and how they should be lived.

No one says you can’t be a Christian. Social conservatives say and try to make things every chance they get in such a way that not only are you told how you should act, but that Christian morals should be enshrined in our laws to ensure that you MUST.

It’s you guys who want to demand the country live, act, and think like you. Not the other way around.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

These younger voters hate America more than they care for a job or opportunity. That is the windfall of an unchecked academia and a teachers union that teaches American history from a comic book written by a communist.

pat on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

The kardashian others connect with HollyWood stars omg!, Jay Z, letterman, The Simpsons, Leno, pimp with a limp, Ellen etc., etc, etc,–
The media controls the process anymore. The Democrites know this and exploit it. This is how the leader of the free world is chosen from now on.

We are Pravda. And we are in the wilderness.

POP CULTURE IS KING.

END OF STORY

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

You might have picked the wrong president if…

The dow falls 300+ the next day..

Check me out on twitter, I talk about the markets, my thoughts and my trades…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Heh. It was funny. The DOW rallied on the 6th when Romney was the sure winner.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I’ll say it: Trogcons like Santorum who fueled the War on Women social issues memes are largely responsible for the loss.

And even after smearing the entire GOP brand, millions of them STAYED HOME just because their pea-sized bigoted minds couldn’t vote for a Mormon. PATHETIC. THE DEMISE OF THIS COUNTRY IS ON YOU.

jjraines on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

THe nation is under judgment because unrepentant reprobates, like yourself, live as fools while calling yourselves rationalists or whatever, while explaining away man’s sinful nature. This nation is full of unrepentant people that are doing whatever they want, whatever is right in their own eyes if you will.

It is no wonder that personal responsibility is dead, fiscal responsibility is dead, sexual responsibility is dead, civil responsibility is dead.

The nation is dead and rotting. Whining about Christians is the precursor to actually going into action, which is inevitable.

We reap what we sow.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Allah you have missed the biggest determining factor of all.
Where people live.
People in large cities voted Democratic regardless of race. Whites just as much as Latinos.
How different was the Irish or Italian vote in New York form the Latino vote in New York?

MHatch on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I hope the noreaster coming tomorrow buries the homeless libtards in tents, with a foot of snow.

I will not donate to the red cross to save their sorry as**s.

Screw them for foisting Obama on us for another 4 years.

txdoc on November 7, 2012 at 9:38 PM

You might have picked the wrong president if…

The dow falls 300+ the next day..

Check me out on twitter, I talk about the markets, my thoughts and my trades…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

The market hates uncertainty but in this case it hates certainty.

CW on November 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

HERE’S the problem: as to people who have originated from cultures that have been communist, monarchist/dictatorships for centuries of their ancestry, how do you help them relearn that doing away with that is to their benefit?
They all are accustomed to if not expectant of maintaining underground economies in order to survive and prosper and then they extend tolerance publicly to a corrupted form of unpleasant “rule” so they vote to support the Left once in the US because that’s “just a part of their cultural norm”. It means they continue their underground economies and “pay social status” to the unpleasant but necessary grandiose celebrity.
It’s ingrained in most Asians and Hispanic/Latinos. If not something they actually need to feel secure culturally.
Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Blatant soft racism. WE came from a monarchist imperial culture for centuries of our ancestry Lourdes.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Question: There was an article linked to in HA yesterday that said that full exit polls were conducted only in blue states, other states only get basic polls. If this is the case, how good are they? Is it their purpose just to keep pushing political parties to the left?
I wonder in particular about the evangelical/jewis/catholic vote statistics, if this question is only asked in liberal states then they are very skewed.

neuquenguy on November 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Hmm, prognosis, we’ve gotta do better among Latino’s. We could’ve won without them if it hadn’t been for Hurricane Sandy, but if we could’ve gotten even 40% of the Latino vote it would’ve been a slam dunk for Romney even WITH Hurricane Sandy.

WolvenOne on November 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I just began the move of all my liquid assets to another country, via mutual funds. My partner just put all his in gold. Then he will cash when it reaches a checkpoint and move his money overseas.

pat on November 7, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

..
You think Christians are difficult?, wait or the Mooslum inclusion coming your way- well maybe not if your an Okie-

But, those guys are going to be a hoot ! You’ll “connect” with them very well.

Tolerance.

FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Non-married women turned out in increased number (23% of voters, up from 20% in 2008) and voted more than 2 to 1 for Obama (67%-31%).

Hard to imagine that Akin’s, Mourdock’s and Santorum’s pontificating about rape, abortion and contraception didn’t have quite a bit to do with the enormous split in that demographic. The split is probably even more lopsided if you excluded elderly widows who probably voted GOP.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

THe nation is under judgment because unrepentant reprobates, like yourself, live as fools while calling yourselves rationalists or whatever, while explaining away man’s sinful nature. This nation is full of unrepentant people that are doing whatever they want, whatever is right in their own eyes if you will.
It is no wonder that personal responsibility is dead, fiscal responsibility is dead, sexual responsibility is dead, civil responsibility is dead.
The nation is dead and rotting. Whining about Christians is the precursor to actually going into action, which is inevitable.
We reap what we sow.
tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM

And here was a man nodding and say, “mmm-hmm”, when Santorum was saying Satan is attacking America. That’s right, all of our problems are based in America not living godly enough and according to hard core orthodox interpretations of the bible. We better just become a big church and force people to live “Christian” lives by the weight of law. That’ll win elections.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

The split is probably even more lopsided if you excluded elderly widows who probably voted GOP.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Wow so if you exclude those that likely voted for Repubs the split would be bigger? You’re really a smart one.

CW on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

They and all the others who believed the lies are going to get quite the shock, and the shocks will keep coming for many years.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

And that Free Sh!t Army in PA and throughout the country deserves every lousy thing that’s coming to them.

Thanks for understanding.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM

In other good news for the Republicans, Ole Miss has been living up to the image that the rest of the country has of the Republican party right now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/obama-re-election-protest-escalates-at-univ-of-mississippi-racial-slurs-2-arrests-reported/2012/11/07/1722d70a-2946-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html.
Can’t believe Drudge is actually headlining this.

Alpha_Male on November 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM

The market hates uncertainty but in this case it hates certainty.

CW on November 7, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Price topped in mid-Septemeber, rallied a bit after the debate, but fizzled out again…

This along with Intrade, last night should not have been a surprise…

Life goes on…

Hopefully we can get the senate in 2014…

Run Rubio or Cruz and we will capture 60-70% of 14% of the electorate instead of losing 60-70%, game over…

One more thought, this economy stinks and might get worse, so hopefully the Democrats completely screw themselves for a long, long time and we take a super majority by 2016…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I only have anecdotal evidence to back this up, but my guess on the Catholic vote is that Romney got majority of the white practicing Catholic vote. In fact, I think it was probably close to 100% of that demographic. No real Catholic would jeopardize his communion with the Church and salvation by voting for someone so rabidly pro-abortion as Obama. Hispanics and the very small minority of black Catholics voted for Obama because of immigration and his race, respectively. The remaining Catholics who voted for him were not practicing Catholics in any real sense. They were people who were born or married into the Faith but probably only attend Mass at Christmas and Easter. From my observation every Sunday, these people account for just a little less than half of all American Catholics (and somewhere around 95% of all European Catholics). Most of them don’t even know the name of their priest, much less their bishop. So, if the Bishop puts out any guidance on voting–for example, remember it’s a mortal sin to vote for someone who favors baby-killing–they would have no idea. Even if they did hear or read about such guidance, their first question would probably be “hmmmm, I wonder what he means by ‘mortal sin.’” In short, these people are clueless about their faith and they are no more Catholic than Barack Obama is. They are not in communion with the church and absolutely should not receive the host on the few occasions they actually attend Mass. These people have no knowledge of nor interest in what their Church tells Catholics about voting. Counting them as Catholics along with real Catholics who respect their Church and the Holy Father I think really skews the results of this poll.

WarEagle01 on November 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM

You think Christians are difficult?, wait or the Mooslum inclusion coming your way- well maybe not if your an Okie-
But, those guys are going to be a hoot ! You’ll “connect” with them very well.
Tolerance.
FlaMurph on November 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Quality deflection and avoidance of a very clear point I guess you had no way to refute but to shift the subject to someone worse.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

If Republicans had won 40% of the Latino vote they would have lost every single state they lost anyway. They also would have lost the national vote aswell. The Latino thing is being overstated. Its only 10% of the vote and about half of that vote is in 3-4 none battle ground states.

KMav on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I’ll say it: Trogcons like Santorum who fueled the War on Women social issues memes are largely responsible for the loss.

And even after smearing the entire GOP brand, millions of them STAYED HOME just because their pea-sized bigoted minds couldn’t vote for a Mormon. PATHETIC. THE DEMISE OF THIS COUNTRY IS ON YOU.

jjraines on November 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Nope. I heard/over-heard many many negative comments about Romney’s Mormonism and most were from non-religious or even Catholics, not Evangelicals or SoCons. Most people were just plain ignorant, and not being particularly religous or even political.

A bigot and someone with a pea-sized brain can be anyone, even here on Hot Air.

As for the War on Women, that’s a old strategy and not necessarily fueled by anyone in particular.

Romney lost because the cities rule the atates and they are Liberal to the extreme.

Deanna on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Oops, should be states not atates.

Deanna on November 7, 2012 at 9:52 PM

And here was a man nodding and say, “mmm-hmm”, when Santorum was saying Satan is attacking America. That’s right, all of our problems are based in America not living godly enough and according to hard core orthodox interpretations of the bible. We better just become a big church and force people to live “Christian” lives by the weight of law. That’ll win elections.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

What election have you won reprobate? You winning? Liberty, peace, and prosperity expanding for you reprobate?

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

We have to overcome 4 problems:

(1) GOP must find some way to overcome the MSM and Entertainment Industry.

(2) GOP needs to become more libertarian, a party name change and face lift would not hurt either. That should help with younger voters who are more selfish, but they are also more libertarian than many realize. I am not saying we need to all become Ron Paul supporters, but adopt some of his better ideas.

(3) GOP needs to gain more Latino and Asian voters. Those are two demographics that we can make headway in IF we do No. 2 above.

(4) GOP needs to be more aggressive on the offensive. You have to attack your foes in a way that will resonate with the people.

(5) GOP must make a clear break from the policies (mostly foreign policy) of GWB. GWB has become our Jimmy Carter and that ghost can scare the less informed years into the future, as it has.

William Eaton on November 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

All we need to do is #3 on your list…

If we ran a Hispanic candidate this race would have been called in March…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Wow so if you exclude those that likely voted for Repubs the split would be bigger? You’re really a smart one.

CW on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

That was uncalled for. Just saying it wouldn’t be surprising if unmarried women (excluding elderly widows) voted 3 to 1 or better for Obama.

Think rape/abortion didn’t matter? You know the Dems are going to use this tactic on the GOP again when Hillary runs in 2016.

cool breeze on November 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Uh, we’ll I figured that would be obvious by now, but it’s because Republicans are in a minority position in our government. You can’t rule from the minority. You can pull it off for one election cycle after a gain on the promise that more is to come, but when you LOSE seats the next time around, the parties over. Obama has gotten a number of things he wanted, and at a very high political cost because the party in the minority played things that were EVEN THEIR EFFING IDEAS TO BEGIN WITH as the overturning and death of America. I’m sorry guys, but the American people don’t want that. That want a government that functions on more than trying to destroy and demonize your opponents before they’ve even taken office for electoral hope in the next cycle.

Republicand are in the minority. Fight, of course! Make our voices heard, make the democrats give as well as take. But be honest and upstanding instead of disengenuous and fire breathing at anything the other guy does. Republicans will HAVE to bend over some and let the majority do the job they were elected to do. We got 4 years out of stonewalling, playing, poison pills, and downright divisive dirty politics from before Obama even took office.

It’s just not gonna work anymore right now. That’s why. And because as the minority, their role is not that of decider, policy police, and governing party. It’s just the facts.

But by all means, lose some more elections if you want. Or take ole’ boys suggestion from above and raise the voting age to 30. Why not remove women’s suffrage and reinstitute poll taxes while you’re at it. Might be the only other route here folks.

Boomer_Sooner on November 7, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Perfectly said. Couldn’t disagree with anything you said in that post.

HotAirLib on November 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM

HERE’S the problem: as to people who have originated from cultures that have been communist, monarchist/dictatorships for centuries of their ancestry, how do you help them relearn that doing away with that is to their benefit?…
It’s ingrained in most Asians and Hispanic/Latinos. If not something they actually need to feel secure culturally.
Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

You do know that many Eastern Europeans fit that description? And what makes you think any of these people want to continue such a life, that they thought it was a good one?

Deanna on November 7, 2012 at 9:59 PM

They are not in communion with the church and absolutely should not receive the host on the few occasions they actually attend Mass. These people have no knowledge of nor interest in what their Church tells Catholics about voting. Counting them as Catholics along with real Catholics who respect their Church and the Holy Father I think really skews the results of this poll.

WarEagle01 on November 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Words cannot explain how angry I am with a couple Catholics I know who are liturgical singers, who lead the congregation in singing the hymns and prayers that are a regular part of Mass, and who voted for Obama. They are not Mass-every-6-months-or-year Catholics. It is infuriating and hypocritical in the extreme and all I can conclude is that their faith means very little to them, but hey, it’s a chance to sing.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 10:02 PM

If Republicans had won 40% of the Latino vote they would have lost every single state they lost anyway. They also would have lost the national vote aswell. The Latino thing is being overstated. Its only 10% of the vote and about half of that vote is in 3-4 none battle ground states.

KMav on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I’m sorry but you are dead wrong…

They will be 14% in 2016…

14% and you will get 80% of that vote for the first Hispanic president…

So about 11%

In 2012 we got 30% of 10% or about 3%, a 7% difference…

Landslide, over, done, kaput…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I’m watching O’Reily and Bernie Goldberg is on saying if the GOP runs a real conservative it would be a mistake. Heard the same thing said about Reagan in 1980. And isn’t it remarkable how a far left Marxist on the democrat side doesn’t seem to be a mistake for the democrats.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Well.. we haven’t run a real conservative the last two elections and that hasn’t worked out so well.
Romney called Obama a nice guy but was just in over his head. Well. Romney is a nice guy too… but ran a lousy campaign. I understand he tried to take the high road and all. But like someone somewhere said… when it comes down to the wimps vs the barbarians.. the barbarians win. We need some candidates who are ready to go head on with the barbarians.

This is going to be a very very rough 4 years. Like Obama said.. the best is yet to come. We do not need candidates who want to work with them… we need candidates who want to rout them, chase them, confront them and expose them and come through it all victorious with a smile! There is no other way.

JellyToast on November 7, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Tex-session. Fuck y’all, we’ll take care of our own Hurricanes, and for less than $50B.

Who is John Galt on November 7, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Okay, just gonna touch on this briefly. Social conservatism has its place in the party. For example, changing the tax code to promote marriage among low income individuals. This subtly nudges people into a more moral lifestyle, reduces the number of out of wedlock births, reduces the number of single mothers, and so on and so forth. Soft touch social conservatism sells well, but when social conservatives act like morally outraged pasters they do their OWN causes harm.

In other words, if you cannot find an convincing and elequant advocate for your cause, you’re actually better off not running one at all.

Santorum, in-eloquent, irate, stepped into wedge issues constantly, he was at least in part responsible for getting the war on women meme started.

Akin, clumsy, uneducated, offensive, and an absolutely horrible salesmen for the pro-life movement. The War on Women Meme had been dying a slow death until he single-handedly offended every single mother in the nation.

Mourdock, the lesser offender of the three, but he did give the meme a little extra life late in the campaign, and cost us a senate seat.

All three of these men, largely ran on being staunch advocates for being the pro life position, and all three damaged the party horribly during the campaign.

But!!

It wasn’t actually their position that hurt them! The democrats tried to drag Paul Ryan into the War on Women meme several times, and failed miserably! The difference, was simply that when Paul Ryan spoke about his pro-life position, he was brief, heartfelt, but very calm. He didn’t sell himself as a pro-life candidate, but he would have been an effective advocate for the movement.

and thats the crux of the So-Cons problem! Every Republican candidate could be staunchly pro life, and it wouldn’t matter much if they were effective advocates for the position. Effective advocates often don’t succeed at changing peoples minds, but they rarely hurt themselves when they talk about their beliefs.

Santorum, Akin, Mourdock, couldn’t talk about their beliefs without hurting themselves and their whole platform. They, therefore, should be held up and the sort of pro-life candidates NOT to run for office!

WolvenOne on November 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Do you guys realize that Rubio won his senate seat by 20%???

A 35% swing from Connie Mack…

If they ran Rubio even as VP, Romney would have won by 2-4 points…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I’m sorry but you are dead wrong…

They will be 14% in 2016…

14% and you will get 80% of that vote for the first Hispanic president…

So about 11%

In 2012 we got 30% of 10% or about 3%, a 7% difference…

Landslide, over, done, kaput…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I am sorry, but you sir are the one that is wrong. What state would Romney have won at 40% latino vote? Tell me and we can discuss.

As for comments here, there will not be 14% Hispanics voting in 2016. There was 9% in 2008. And 10.0% in 2012. I would expect based on those trends that there will be 11% in 2016.

Next, I don’t care if they nominate the Mother Teresa’s ghost, they ain’t getting no 80% of hispanics. Get a clue.

KMav on November 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM

On the Catholic vote: McCain only won white Catholics by 52-41, Romney improved to 59-40. It was the Hispanic Catholics who killed him, they went 75-21 to Obama – only slightly worse than McCain’s 72-26 drubbing, but they were a larger measure of the electorate, too.

Combine the dwindling white portion of voters with the huge number of early deciders (many probably due to the “kill Romney” offensive of late spring & early summer), and Romney never had a chance.

On the bright side, all those Obama-voting Catholics are going to hell. Burn, baby, burn!

We shall see if the Bishops (and Pope Benedict) are serious about closing Catholic hospitals and charities when the ObamaCare Baby-Killing Mandates kick in. If they are, watch for Obama to attempt to nationalize the buildings. If they are not, the Church will take another blow to its credibility, one it may not survive.

Adjoran on November 7, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I am sorry, but you sir are the one that is wrong. What state would Romney have won at 40% latino vote? Tell me and we can discuss.

As for comments here, there will not be 14% Hispanics voting in 2016. There was 9% in 2008. And 10.0% in 2012. I would expect based on those trends that there will be 11% in 2016.

Next, I don’t care if they nominate the Mother Teresa’s ghost, they ain’t getting no 80% of hispanics. Get a clue.

KMav on November 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM

.
First Hisapnic president would cause a lot of Hispanics to register bumping it to 14% easily, there are 13 million hispanics than and blacks got to 14%…

So 14% is conservative for an estimate…

Second if you are contending that you can win the poplular vote by 5+ points an lose the electoral vote, its statistically impossible…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 10:16 PM

who cares, anymore. Move to Texas. And don’t bring any friend from Cali with ya.

Who is John Galt on November 7, 2012 at 10:17 PM

First Hisapnic president would cause a lot of Hispanics to register bumping it to 14% easily, there are 13 million hispanics than and blacks got to 14%…

Meant to write that there are 13 million more hispanics than blacks…

MGardner on November 7, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Who cares, anymore. We’re scroomed.

Who is John Galt on November 7, 2012 at 10:22 PM

who cares, anymore. Move to Texas. And don’t bring any friend from Cali with ya.

Who is John Galt on November 7, 2012 at 10:17 PM

If you could make summer 2 months and limit the upper temp to about 90-95, throw in a nice spring and fall with a cold winter, I’m in.

Currently looking for work out in WY/northern CO.

tom daschle concerned on November 7, 2012 at 10:23 PM

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