Looking at the national exit poll

posted at 7:21 pm on November 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

I know you’re polled out, but with all the navel-gazing today about demographics and the future of the GOP, I figured people might want a link to the numbers behind last night’s disaster. Here’s CNN’s version, Fox News’s version, and WaPo’s version, which breaks the trend lines down by arrows. (Mouse over for the numbers.) Noteworthy: The sample does apparently include respondents from all 50 states. There was some question about that after news broke last month that the exit pollster would exclude voters in 19 states, but WaPo reported at the time that that was only true of individual state-level exits. The master poll at the national level would incorporate people from everywhere, so it should be a decent yardstick for comparison against 2008.

One question I’m seeing in the comments is, “Did evangelicals turn out for Romney”? Yep, looks that way. Turnout among Protestants generally dropped slightly from 2008 (54% to 53%) but Romney’s share of the vote increased from 54% to 57%. Among white evangelicals specifically, turnout was steady at 26% of the electorate from four years ago and Romney took 78% of the vote compared to just 74% for McCain. If you’d rather slice the data by how often people go to church, the number who attend at least weekly rose from 39% in 2008 to 42% this time. McCain won 55% of that group. Romney won 59%. He improved on McCain’s numbers among Jewish voters too, from 21% of the vote in 2008 to 30% this time (or maybe more), the highest take for a Republican since 1988. If there’s any religious group that underperformed for him, it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

The interest in the comments in evangelicals, I think, is due to people looking at Romney’s popular vote total and wondering where all the votes went. McCain won just shy of 60 million votes in 2008. As I’m writing this, Politico’s popular vote tracker has Romney at 57.6 million. Where’d all the votes go? Possible answer: Nowhere. They’re out there, they just haven’t been counted yet, says John Podhoretz:

As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.

Could be that Romney turned out more than McCain, just not as many as O. This was always the challenge for Mitt: Obama won in 2008 with nearly 10 million more votes than McCain did, so he could afford to have millions of apathetic liberals stay home and still win. The lingering question is why Romney couldn’t turn out millions more Republicans to close the gap. I have no answers. Maybe the GOP in its current form has effectively maxed out national turnout. Or maybe they’re losing voters faster than they can replace them. The advantage of relying heavily on senior citizens, as the GOP does, is that they turn out reliably on election day. The disadvantage is, er, that they die, just as 18-year-olds — most of whom are pro-Obama — are coming onto the rolls. In fact, Romney won with the 54% of the electorate that was aged 45 or older. But thanks to Obama’s margin with younger voters, it wasn’t enough:

Obama actually won the 45-64 age group in 2008 (50/49) and he won younger voters by a bigger margin then (66/32) than he did this time. But it didn’t matter; the most eye-popping result from the entire exit poll, I think, is the fact that turnout among voters aged 18-29 actually increased this time (18% to 19%) from the Hopenchange-y zeitgeist moment of 2008. The sickest irony of yesterday’s result is that young voters, who have the most to lose from Democratic resistance to entitlement reform, are possibly the voters most responsible for ensuring O’s second term. More from Kristen Soltis:

Another revealing data point about the young blue electorate:

Other numbers? Romney won independents nationally by five and by similar margins in key states, but thanks to Obama’s amazing turnout effort (D+6!), it wasn’t enough. As you’ve likely heard, he lost Latinos 71/27 this time after McCain lost them 67/31; Latino turnout was also up a point nationally and may very well have won Florida for Obama. (Between that and the fact that 65% of voters sampled say illegals should be given a chance to apply for legal status, a GOP cave on immigration reform is all but assured.) As you’ve likely not heard, Obama won Asians by nearly the same margin as Latinos, 73/26, an 11-point improvement on how he did in 2008. (Asian turnout as a percentage of the electorate also increased by a point.) It’s not obvious to me what Romney or the GOP did policy-wise to alienate Asians specifically, but the perception that they’re “the white party” might be enough. Hence the agony among Republican analysts about the demographics in the exits.

This election was about the economy, though, wasn’t it? How’d Mitt do with that? Answer: Not so good.

A 10-point loss on the crucial issue of unemployment. On the question of who’d be better for the economy, Romney won by just one point, possibly because a plurality was convinced that things are getting better:

Hard to win an “economy election” if not even one-third of voters think conditions are deteriorating on election day. Hard to win too if you can’t crack 40% on the incumbent in this metric:

Finally, one more surprising detail about when people decided:

Romney lost every range except … September? September was the month of the “47 percent,” when he was getting pounded daily by Team O and fell behind in the national polls by four points. It was the low point of the campaign for him. The Mile High Massacre at the first debate that brought him back to life happened on October 3. What I think you’re seeing in the data here is people misremembering when the first debate was; they know it was “a long time ago” and that they made up their mind for Romney afterward, so they’re guessing it was September. As for the true late deciders, though, I’ve been resisting the explanation that Obama’s paint-by-numbers approach to looking “presidential” during a hurricane really could have swung some votes for him but it’s hard not to think so after looking at this. In fact, if you can believe it, 42% of voters claimed that Obama’s hurricane response was “important” to their vote (they broke 68/31 for O) and 64 percent said it was a “factor” (62/36 for O). And thus did a political career charmed by unbelievable luck get the luckiest break of all. I’ll leave you with this, from an apolitical friend of mine in NYC who e-mailed me last night in utter frustration at the result: “serious, hurricane sandy is actually factoring in in this election. If f*ckin bush had been president they’d say he let NY die. Meanwhile Obama is looking ‘presidential’ in the wake of this major disaster. Meanwhile people have no homes.” Anger at media bias — it’s not just for political junkies anymore.

Update: A friend e-mails with a good point about those late deciders. Maybe Romney won September because of Benghazi. Watching terrorists overrun a barely defended U.S. consulate and murder the ambassador surely did swing a few votes against the Foreign Policy President. But if that’s true and the September data above is accurate, then it may also mean that my theory about people misremembering is wrong and that Romney’s big comeback at the first debate may have helped him less than we thought.


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On the bright side, the Mayan Calendar ends in about six weeks… so there’s still hope to avoid the effects of Obama’s second term.

malclave on November 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Another poll????????

OmahaConservative on November 7, 2012 at 7:24 PM

“On the bright side, the Mayan Calendar ends in about six weeks… so there’s still hope to avoid the effects of Obama’s second term.”

It seems maybe the Mayans were just off by six weeks and really were just predicting the re-elction of Obama..

stuckinwisconsin on November 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Likin the snow we’re getting, AP?

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I can’t express how disheartening it is to know that the Kardashian generation gave Obama another 4 years.

BettyRuth on November 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Sounds like a race between the generations. How many of the oldster GOP voters once voted for LBJ or Carter or even Truman.

All those young hipsters voting for the cool black dude are about to get crushed by an entire tank corp of fiscal reality, maybe they’ll become the replacements for the current seniors.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 7:27 PM

In 6 weeks? Oh, but I just got my hair how I like it .

EnglishRogue on November 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I we are doomed.

We can’t “appeal to Latinos” — Ted Cruz lost every Latino border county by 35 points to a fat white good ole democrat in Texas. HISPANICS WILL NOT VOTE GOP.
The increasingly atheist northeast and Midwest are huge too.
Ditto the fact marriage rates have plummeted and marriage correlates with GOP voting.
Look, I don’t see the GOP winning the presidency again in my lifetime. We have lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. Latino votes and amnesty will doom us.

Think I’m kidding? Look at Mexico. They had one party rule for 75 years until just a decade ago.
I think the GOP should say gay marriage and drugs are state issues and basically absorb the libertarians. I hate to say it but suck up the Ron Paul wing.

But after that??? Florida is gone. That alone is killer. Ruy Texera is right… The GOP is over, and Hispanics don’t vote for Hispanic republicans.

WE WILL NOT ELECT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT UNTIL AT LEAST 2050. THERE IS NO PATH TO 270. Once Texas flips to Latino, CA+FL+PA+MI+NY+IL gives a 200ev route from day one. Add in the northeast and any dem is at 271 BEFORE even thinking about The Pacific Northwest, Minnesota, Hawaii, Nevada, etc.

We are doomed. Try to prove me wrong. Demography is destiny.

CRAP!

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM

On the bright side, the Mayan Calendar ends in about six weeks… so there’s still hope to avoid the effects of Obama’s second term.

malclave on November 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Waiting for Nibiru?

sharrukin on November 7, 2012 at 7:29 PM

It’s official. The majority of voters in this country are abjectly stupid.

Too bad the rest of us are stuck with supporting them.

natasha333 on November 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I actually think that Romney was probably the strongest candidate we had this year. And that’s a pretty pathetic statement on the quality of the GOP field.

I was actually a Perry backer, until Perry self-immolated on the debate stage. Such is life.

Maybe in 2016, we could find a few attractive, charismatic candidates with successful records of accomplishment?

Fewer GOP senate candidates who feel compelled to share with the world their Very Special Personal Insights on rape and pregnancy would probably help.

Also, less big fat baby RINO governors whose homoerotic man-crushes on geriatric rock stars lead them to basically endorse the Democrat a week before the election might be nice.

Just a few thoughts.

Hayabusa on November 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM

If there’s any religious group that underperformed for him, it’s Catholics

Latinos!

I love them, I’m married to one, but overall they are dems! Just look at Latin American politics!!!

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I predict Texas flips Latino before the end of Obama’s second term given that he will provide amnesty to the hundreds of thousands of illegals here who are already getting free education and free health care.

natasha333 on November 7, 2012 at 7:32 PM

your kids will be atheists and liberals, that is tuff!

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:32 PM

DONT CAVE ON IMMIGRATION!!!

Give them gridlock and let them give up on Obama.

El_Terrible on November 7, 2012 at 7:33 PM

The advantage of relying heavily on senior citizens, as the GOP does, is that they turn out reliably on election day

Not after those death panels kick in.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I have thoughts about the Asian vote. Asian communities are so profoundly invested in scientific and mathematics expertise, they are decidedly pro-science. Highly educated Asians, then, are totally skeeved out by the anti-science, anti-Climate Change denial of the right wing. They have *zero* investment in coal, and are in favor of various kinds of green energy, public transportation and various kinds of tech/green living. The GOP denying global warming does nothin to appeal to Asian.

Also, Its not discussed, but *many* Asian voters are second generation and their parents or grandparents arrival in the United States was not exactly above board. The rampant anti-illegal rhetoric doesn’t really work with a lot of east and southeast Asians.

libfreeordie on November 7, 2012 at 7:33 PM

AP, you could have just said that the voters who thinks things are getting better voted for Obama are stupid instead of posting all of those breakdowns on what people thought about the economy.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM

your kids will be atheists and liberals, that is tuff!

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Not for long. They’ll bow to the Muslim sword soon enough.

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I’ve learned that evil usually triumphs unless good is very very good.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM

The media the media the media. And social media. Bottom line that’s what these results tell me.

Axelrod’s strategy worked. Romney was buried under an avalanche of attacks from the MSM, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, 4chan, and “big bird” memes.

That’s how you win the youth vote. It’s becoming obvious the winner in 2016 and from now on will be determined by whoever has more “friends” on Facebook.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I’ll tell ya, in my neck of the woods, most of the younger voters are more libertarian or conservative than they realize but are turned off by the hold religious types have on the Republican Party. Anecdotal but still.

oddjob1138 on November 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

AP, you could have just said that the voters who thinks things are getting better and voted for Obama are stupid instead of posting all of those breakdowns on what people thought about the economy.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I hate when my fingers can’t keep up with my brain, or maybe my brain moves faster than my fingers.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Not for long. They’ll bow to the Muslim sword soon enough.

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM

muslims are too busy killing each other to conquer anyone.

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I’ll leave you with this, from an apolitical friend of mine in NYC who e-mailed me last night in utter frustration at the result: “serious, hurricane sandy is actually factoring in in this election. If f*ckin bush had been president they’d say he let NY die. Meanwhile Obama is looking ‘presidential’ in the wake of this major disaster. Meanwhile people have no homes.” Anger at media bias — it’s not just for political junkies anymore.

Such stupid people deserve such an Empty Jacket for president.

No need to blame the media. May they suffocate from what they consume, Obama’s sh*t, not Beluga caviar.

The fools are the people and they deserve full destruction.

Just don’t feed the Utopian pipedream. Let them all starve into oblivion, while the looters live like the Obamas. Maybe the young will wake up some day. If not, let them dream Utopian dreams.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I’ve thought it over a bit, and while the parasites may well win, I’m not giving up without a fight. Here’s what I think the GOP has to do if it wants to have a chance of saving the country from financial ruin under Obama:

To put it bluntly, fiscal conservatives and libertarians need to read social conservatives the riot act on gay marriage and abortion. Those battles are over, and the social conservatives have lost–they just don’t accept it yet.

If we are going to be the party of limited government, we need to be the party of limited government, and stop meddling in people’s private lives.

Yes, all those under-thirties who voted for Obama based on gay marriage and the fabricated Romney-Ryan jihad against abortion are idiots who just doomed their financial futures…but those idiots still vote, and they’ll be voting long after the socially conservative anti-gay marriage voters of yesterday are gone.

The libertarian-social conservative alliance held for forty years, but it is time to change the dynamic. If the social conservatives continue to hand elections to the statists over the lost issues of gay marriage and abortion, then fiscal conservatives/ social libertarians like me and the so-cons will have to go their separate ways.

MidniteRambler on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

The yutes will be lost to the Republican Party for some time to come, thanks in no small measure to the NEA and the “leftification” of so many of our college-level educators.

It’s hard to beat the house when they’re dealing from the bottom of the deck, and it’s even harder to get young minds that are already pumped full of idealistic nonsense to listen to reason, even when it is clearly in their own best interest to do so.

hillbillyjim on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

The Soviet plan in action. Raise the young to be takers and after a few generations when the old conservatives die off, the country is ripe for the taking.

It’s almost as if they won the Cold War, it only took 20+ years after their own demise.

goflyers on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

On the bright side, the Mayan Calendar ends in about six weeks… so there’s still hope to avoid the effects of Obama’s second term.

malclave on November 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Heh. Was hoping the same. SMOD.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I have thoughts about the Asian vote. Asian communities are so profoundly invested in scientific and mathematics expertise, they are decidedly pro-science. Highly educated Asians, then, are totally skeeved out by the anti-science, anti-Climate Change denial of the right wing. They have *zero* investment in coal, and are in favor of various kinds of green energy, public transportation and various kinds of tech/green living. The GOP denying global warming does nothin to appeal to Asian.
Also, Its not discussed, but *many* Asian voters are second generation and their parents or grandparents arrival in the United States was not exactly above board. The rampant anti-illegal rhetoric doesn’t really work with a lot of east and southeast Asians.
libfreeordie on November 7, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Maybe, though that’s a media problem.

More likely that they are concentrated in DEM areas anyway; Hawaii, California, and New Jersey to name a few

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

We are doomed. Try to prove me wrong. Demography is destiny.

CRAP!

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM

It’s not about demographics.

People like getting stuff for free. Democrats promise it. So they vote for them. It’s really that simple.

And, if you look around the world, once the gravy train tips over. People don’t even care. They still want their free stuff – at the expense of everything else.

If you can’t make people think beyond their own selfishness, democrats will win that battle. This is why I, generally, preach that people need to see the consequences of their actions. And even then, I’m not sure it’ll matter.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Good.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

AP said:

(Between that and the fact that 65% of voters sampled say illegals should be given a chance to apply for legal status, a GOP cave on immigration reform is all but assured.)

No, amnesty won’t pass the House.

Jon0815 on November 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Good.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I know it’s callous, but my first response to this was to laugh and agree.

Mark1971 on November 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I said it often – Nov. 6 will prove what the US is still made of.

She did.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I’ll tell ya, in my neck of the woods, most of the younger voters are more libertarian or conservative than they realize but are turned off by the hold religious types have on the Republican Party. Anecdotal but still.

oddjob1138 on November 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I also have this opinion, young college kids are libertarian type of conservatives but with very socially liberal. we gonna lose these kids if the socons dont tone it down!
atheism is very popular with young kids right now!

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

It’s not about demographics.
People like getting stuff for free. Democrats promise it. So they vote for them. It’s really that simple.
And, if you look around the world, once the gravy train tips over. People don’t even care. They still want their free stuff – at the expense of everything else.
If you can’t make people think beyond their own selfishness, democrats will win that battle. This is why I, generally, preach that people need to see the consequences of their actions. And even then, I’m not sure it’ll matter.
lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

That’s terribly depressing.

I wish I could say “but that will end when the money runs out”, but, look at California.

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

My advice, look out for friends and family and make smart moves to navigate the coming problems. With any luck the left will destroy itself fighting over less and less.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

AP, no bomb this time. Look, we knew it could happen.
But don’t despair too much. Think that if we rethink a bit, and stick to grindstone, as this excellent and actually uplifting article makes it clear:

But Republicans just did moderate their message. They ran Mitt Romney as their candidate.

Conservatives will have to think not how to water things down, but how to sell their program to people who have failed to embrace it. They need to bring Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans into their tent. Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.

Republicans have to be unafraid to explain the tough choices facing America, the sometimes hard solutions conservatism offers, and the brighter future these solutions will bring.

America will become a more dependent country under Obama. But the evidence of decay will mount. And the demand for sweeping change will return.

HUGE! Keep it to the grindstone, keep plugging away, keep trying to be smarter though, and yes in 2014 and 2016 we may very see the H-Bombs coming up all over the front page, like we hit the jackpot! This is the vision we need to keep in mind today, and in the months to follow.

anotherJoe on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Good.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

The Empty Jacket will meet NY/aka New Orleans, finally. The left/Matthews rejoiced in the storm. Live with it Messiah and his court. May you all go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

So really it was young voters, Hispanics, and single women(many of whom probably overlap with young voters) who gave this election to Obama. I don’t count black voters since 90+% always vote Democrat anyway.

I honestly don’t know what the GOP can do about young’uns. I suppose running a younger candidate next time would help. You could kill two birds with one stone if you ran Rubio. He’d appeal to young voters and Hispanics(not to mention women since he is telegenic and a brilliant public speaker).

One other hope is that 4 more years of hopenchange will finally wake these idiots the F up. A lack of employment, college tuition continuing to rise, the Obamacare mandate, and a higher cost of living due to inflation will be quite sobering.

Doughboy on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I wish I could say “but that will end when the money runs out”, but, look at California.

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

America —-> Greece

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

muslims are too busy killing each other to conquer anyone.

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM

So You think Iran is getting Uranium just for Time travel or something?

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Good.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Don’t be foolish, there’s a lot of good people here including myself.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

End the misery. Raise the voting age to 25. The young are foolish. They need to watch from the sidelines for a few years.

salem on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I find it so hard to believe that the frigging STORM, and Barry’s response to it, swung votes to him. I mean, what did he really do? A few photo-ops, some comments, and 90 minutes on the ground smooching with Chris Christie. How can that wipe away a 4-year record of failure. It’s really discouraging.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I wish I could say “but that will end when the money runs out”, but, look at California.

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Better yet, Greece.

If you want a bigger picture it’s this:

people who are divorced from economic reality (students, people who live at home – ie more single people these days) – vote democrat

married people deal with economic reality every day – vote republican

People make things way too complex. Race n crap. Is just that. Crap.

Blacks don’t vote democrat cuz of race. It’s cuz 95% want free stuff. Scientists don’t vote for democrats cuz of a “war on science” – it’s cuz their research is funded by the feds. Free stuff.

It’s not any more complex than that.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Some of you are ridiculous. There are no 50 year droughts coming and there will be a Republican president in 2017.

You know how I know? John Boehner likes being Speaker. And all politicians like to win. If the path is appeasing hispanics, they will cave and do whatever is necessary to win those votes.

Moreover, lets all be realistic, between Monday and Today not much changed aside from Romney losing. We are still heading to 20 trillion in depth by 2016. We are still heading to bankruptcy of Medicare and Social Security, and we are still heading for financial turmoil because of Obama. Guess what, if the money runs out and democrats were the ones that did it, people will go back to Republicans.

As for hispanics and asians, as I have said, Republicans need to stop. They are the ones that stood by as Democrats put in place policies that took immigration from 2% asian and hispanic to about 99.999%. That was always the plan, and Republicans were too stupid to stop it when they had chances. But lets be clear, even if the trend continues, if financial opportunities dry up in this country, those groups will stop coming here, and the demographic shift will slow down.

milcus on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Don’t worry everything is taken care of. Obama said so.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

This is why I, generally, preach that people need to see the consequences of their actions. And even then, I’m not sure it’ll matter.
lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

It will matter in bad ways. My little exurb has already been experiencing crime edging out from the cities as the economy has faltered, it’s only going to get worse because we’re seen as a soft target.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Don’t be foolish, there’s a lot of good people here including myself.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Big government cannot respond to a crisis. This is not opinion; it’s a fact.

Sorry that people need to be taught this lesson – over and over again.

Big government only “works” in a stable situation. When a cog is thrown into the works, it simply cannot respond.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:45 PM

On the bright side, the Mayan Calendar ends in about six weeks… so there’s still hope to avoid the effects of Obama’s second term.

malclave on November 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

*smiles* and trust me I haven’t done that for a while. But its the best news I’ve had today.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 7:46 PM

So You think Iran is getting Uranium just for Time travel or something?

portlandon on November 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

sunni and shia hate each other to the death and you can see this in real time in syria! if iran gets the bomb, they saudis will buy it from the pakis and they can turn the middle east to glass for what i care…

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:46 PM

picklesgap on November 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Romney and Ryan were too busy being practical when they needed to be piratical.

No the GOP isn’t doomed.

Judo would have worked for Mitt.

Specifically, grab an image and issue to steal the groups which O had energized. Dang! They are on their way to the polls anyway! There are numerous options but one is financial.

Then you steal O’s voters just like the British privateers stole the gold bound for Spain.

I hang out with, and discuss politics with, with every target group O took in his coalition and I get them to hate him. A Harvard preppie really has nothing in common with most Latinos, blacks or single females. Moreover, an Ohio voter who loved O for his “green energy” plans based on our not burning “oil in 100 years” REALLY loses guys who are on payday loans or want to Get Rich Or Die Tryin’.

Then I do minor Santa stuff based on my history in circumstances similar to those at the bottom but the focus is on progress and profits.

The packages work for me. They want a Goldwater Conservative to run for office!

IlikedAUH2O on November 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM

We also need to be aware of the fact that this high turnout among young voters might not be an anomaly. Social Media (Twitter/FB in particular) has made politics more visible than ever to the 18-25 year old demographic; kids who used to be completely indifferent to politics (out of sight, out of mind mentality) are now bombarded by friends on FB/Twitter who share their political musings 24/7. We figured 2008 was a high turnout for youth voters because Obama was ‘historic,’ but we might just be seeing a new voter paradigm, where young voters turnout early Presidential election in high numbers because of their political engagement on social media.

This is why it’s dangerous to alienate kids who would otherwise be receptive to a fiscally conservative message with social attitudes that seem archaic to them, like the gay marriage issue.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The bad deal is that ManlyRash has gone to greener pastures in parts unknown. In less than a month.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Never have so many been so wrong about so much.

What was it that Jugears’ pastor was saying about chickens coming home to roost? Well, they’re coming in squadrons and s******g all over America and its former glory.

What are the self-entitled to do when all of the money’s gone and the Obammaphones no longer work?

hillbillyjim on November 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

It will matter in bad ways. My little exurb has already been experiencing crime edging out from the cities as the economy has faltered, it’s only going to get worse because we’re seen as a soft target.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Poorly thought out environmental policy is putting wolves into the suburbs and bears roaming city streets. And raccoons in major cities. Problems that were solved 100 years ago are back.

People do not get that their poor choices are causing these problems. It’s cute that the bear is running down your street, until it kills someone.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

For some reason the House stayed almost intact. Something to that.

runner on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

What I found most interesting in the national exit poll was the vindication of Romney’s 47% comment. Obama’s only economic majority was with the under 50k a year crowd. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

abobo on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

For some reason the House stayed almost intact. Something to that.

runner on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

2010 census. Republicans protected the house. It’s nearly impervious to take over.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Where’d all the votes go? Possible answer: Nowhere.

Not to be all conspiracy minded but one other way to steal an election is to loose millions of electronic votes. Wonder if anyone will bother to compare the number of voters who showed up to polls on election day to the actual number of votes in each precinct. I’m just curious.

glennbo on November 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

America is dead. It signed its own death warrant yesterday.

Like an egg that looks good on the outside, but when cracked falls apart to reveal a rotten inside.

Demographic shift? That’s code for the end of a national character. No, people will live on, but to quote Walter Williams (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/walter-williams/our-deviant-society/): “It’s the American people who are to blame, for it is we who have lost our morality and our love, knowledge and respect for our Constitution, laying the foundation for Washington tyranny. It is all part and parcel of “defining deviancy down,” which is the term former U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan coined in 1993 to describe how we’ve switched from moral absolutes to situational morality…”

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

abobo on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

What do you think Romney was talking about with the 47% comment?

47% don’t pay taxes, so what the hell do they care if taxes go up? That was his point.

Expanding the base. What do you think that means, when Ryan said it?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

This is why I, generally, preach that people need to see the consequences of their actions. And even then, I’m not sure it’ll matter.
lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

It will matter if you let them wallow in it for few years. Turn off their heat at 9 at night, let them wait in line for some toilet paper and chicken necks. Toothpaste and deodorant? Forget about it.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

This is why it’s dangerous to alienate kids who would otherwise be receptive to a fiscally conservative message with social attitudes that seem archaic to them, like the gay marriage issue.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

agree! and even religion and its role in politics is being questioned by them and we saw in the democratic convention, a first salvo of real political dem atheists very annoyed with innocuous religious wording. religion is a negative with many young people…

nathor on November 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

On the depressing topic of low information voters, my mother, a retired teacher and die hard Democrat, called for another reason but then tried to talk about the election.

She went on to hold forth misinformation from the New Yorker on the budget, Obama, Elizabeth Warren, etc. etc. etc. The final straw was when she said she read an interesting article suggesting that Congress not get paid until they pass a budget. I reminded her that was Tom Smith’s platform and asked if she voted for him. Her response- “Of course not!” indignantly.

I told her I had to take a call on another line.

I don’t see how common sense will everprevail in this country.

talkingpoints on November 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

There’s no excuse for that in a Catholic sense. The only explanation is that there are a lot of Democrats who like to wear the ‘catholic’ label and likely pride themselves on doing so. But they’re Democrats first and foremost and the “Catholic thing” is for show and tell.

From a Catholic theology and Church perspective, there’s no excuse for that vote. A lot of people “love the ceremonies” but they consider “church” as a social and “magical” thing for burning candals, casting spells and begging for favors. It’s a shame and a continued disgusting factor about those who do so.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

1000 years ago everyone KNEW the world was flat.

500 years ago everyone KNEW the sun revolved around the earth.

150 years ago everyone KNEW that mankind would never fly, let alone go to the moon.

Yesterday every HotAirian KNEW that Romney would be elected. Most of them KNEW it would be in a landslide.

Sometimes what you KNOW isn’t true. Problem for HotAirians and other conservatives is they KNOW a lot of things that aren’t true –
Man-made climate change is a hoax
All illegal immigrants are parasites
All people on welfare are moochers
All Democrats are idiotic, Socialists, traitors
All pollsters are slanting their polls
The mainstream media is biased
Obama is a traitor, a liar, a Muslim
America has died
Majority of voters want to have illegal immigrants deported
Majority of voters want to repeal Obamacare
Obamacare means death panels
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

None of those statements, so common on this blog site, are true. Until you take your fingers out of your ears and stop yelling la-la-la-la-la you will continue to be beaten on election day.

And if you don’t believe me about Obamacare go check the numbers. A majority do not like it, but about 16% don’t like it because it doesn’t go far enough. When you ask if Obamacare should be repealed and we go back to the days of insurance companies deciding your fate, the majority says no, keep Obamacare.

The future of the Republican party is grim. Yes, they put a lot of minority folks up on the stage at their convention. Heck, Limbaugh was bloviating about that today. But did you look at the conventioneers? White was the color almost exclusively. If you watched the Dems you saw a rainbow of colors. This isn’t a white country anymore. Reps better change or go the way of the Whigs.

I hope they do change. This country needs 2 strong parties to fight it out over ideas. It’s terrible when one goes off the deep end and allows a radical fringe to dominate.

independentvoice on November 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Jeesh.

Mark Levin just said some in GOP are talking up Jeb Bush.

The one family that has done more to destroy the Reagan revolution than anyone. Just what we need a third and final Bush.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Constitutional government only works with a just and moral people.

It is wholly inadequate for any other.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Wonder if anyone will bother to compare the number of voters who showed up to polls on election day to the actual number of votes in each precinct. I’m just curious.

glennbo on November 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

It seems very difficult to reconcile the huge poll lines with lower turnout.

talkingpoints on November 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

And we’ve lost that.

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

It will matter if you let them wallow in it for few years. Turn off their heat at 9 at night, let them wait in line for some toilet paper and chicken necks. Toothpaste and deodorant? Forget about it.

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

I see your point and raise you this:

8% unemployment is the new normal.

Obama probably got inoculated to the unemployment rate cuz it was so high for so long. People forgot it could be lower. 5.2% (Obama’s promise) seems unreasonably low after so long a period of time.

Europe wallowed around with 11% unemployment forever and nothing changed. No one cared. It was normal.

Back in 2009 (you could probably google this), I said that if UE got below 8% Obama wins in 2012. 8.5% is a 50/50 bet. Simply due to the length of time UE had been high. You get used to less. That’s human nature.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

There’s no excuse for that in a Catholic sense. The only explanation is that there are a lot of Democrats who like to wear the ‘catholic’ label and likely pride themselves on doing so. But they’re Democrats first and foremost and the “Catholic thing” is for show and tell.

From a Catholic theology and Church perspective, there’s no excuse for that vote. A lot of people “love the ceremonies” but they consider “church” as a social and “magical” thing for burning candals, casting spells and begging for favors. It’s a shame and a continued disgusting factor about those who do so.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Also, the Hispanic/Latino people who support Obama who claim to be “catholic” but aren’t except in their actions of joining and the ceremonies and such. I think this needs to be discussed more but, unfortunately, everyone misses the actual point and finds the discussion offensive: it’s not about their ethnicity, it’s about their culture and Catholicism in that culture is often abused and exploited as some form of occultism. Thus, they aren’t concerned when an occultist asks for their vote, which defines Obama in that regard, who tells them he has some magical solution to their wants.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

You’re mistaken Obama solved this problem while walking on the beach with NJ Govenor Chris Christie.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

They are self interested people but the present GOP message and tarnished brand does two things. Ryan, and I love him, and budget talk is boring. The image of prior GOP leaders makes them feel robbed by Wall Street.

Therefore, it respectively bores them and then shoots them to a BS’er with a lot of vague promises. He did next to nothing for those groups and I can talk in detail about how screwed they have been.

At this time, there is not even hope for a quick improvement in the general economy which might help them.

They know it.

IlikedAUH2O on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

End the misery. Raise the voting age to 25.

salem on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Well, Obamacare has redefined dependent children to be up to age 26, right?

malclave on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I find it so hard to believe that the frigging STORM, and Barry’s response to it, swung votes to him. I mean, what did he really do? A few photo-ops, some comments, and 90 minutes on the ground smooching with Chris Christie. How can that wipe away a 4-year record of failure. It’s really discouraging.

Yeah, I find this hard to believe myself. I mean people keep talking about that photo-op with Christie, but I am a news junkie and I never even saw a photo of that until I searched for it on Google. And I only found out it was a “big deal” after I watched Foxnews and listened to Sean Hannity blab about it the whole day.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

The Yutes vote will have to experience a bit more pain before the become disillusioned and crossover. I think it’s time to fight the culture war a little harder. Right now the libtards own entertainment, especially late night TV, where unfortunately most of them get their “news” and “political info”. They need an alternative from a conservative perspective.

I think the Latino vote can be cut in half. It would take the right candidate and some pandering. The way I look at it is that they are coming no matter what. Do we want to bring half of them over to our side, or do we want to create a permanent voting bloc against us? Unlike African-Americans, they don’t vote lock-step…yet. Now is the time to make a move if it is to be done.

Women will also have to eventually become disenchanted or realize that the Dems just want them for their vaginas.

The only other alternative is that the Blue states kick the Red state out of the Republic.

I’m not giving up. Where there is a will there is a way.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

We also need to be aware of the fact that this high turnout among young voters might not be an anomaly. Social Media (Twitter/FB in particular) has made politics more visible than ever to the 18-25 year old demographic; kids who used to be completely indifferent to politics (out of sight, out of mind mentality) are now bombarded by friends on FB/Twitter who share their political musings 24/7. We figured 2008 was a high turnout for youth voters because Obama was ‘historic,’ but we might just be seeing a new voter paradigm, where young voters turnout early Presidential election in high numbers because of their political engagement on social media.

This is why it’s dangerous to alienate kids who would otherwise be receptive to a fiscally conservative message with social attitudes that seem archaic to them, like the gay marriage issue.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

As someone who was one of the first 10,000 people on Facebook (I’m 29) I’ve come to hate Facebook over the last year. If idiots on Facebook can honestly change someone’s mind then that person has no principles whatsoever. All the idiots on Facebook did for me this election cycle was change my views on their intelligence and it wasn’t for the better.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Could be that Romney turned out more than McCain, just not as many as O.

Any accounting of the military vote? Last I read about that, many of them didn’t get their ballots and weren’t going to be able to cast votes. Which of course benefitted Obama.

Lourdes on November 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

In my area we barely resisted “Smart Growth” which is another name for an insanely stupid liberal idea to restrict the number of people allowed to build houses beyond the Twin Cities ring suburbs. It’s an attempt to keep people like me under a liberal majority yoke.

The really good news is that the GOP lost the state house yesterday so it’s all democrat now, and with a clinically insane governor leading the way.

Bishop on November 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Furthermore, I posit that the current goal of government is to keep economic growth as close to 0 as possible. Why? It keeps people looking to government for solutions. You’ve just created a dependency on their actions, whether people like it or not.

Remember the Bush years? Everyone whining about the economy overheating or some such bullcrap? I put that forth as evidence to support my theory.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Now ice cold and snowy for people without heat for nearly two weeks

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

End the misery. Raise the voting age to 25. Stop most ground troops from voting!

salem on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

One has to wonder if you think before you post.

libfreeordie on November 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

The sad truth is that we have surrendered the culture war.
Not the insane abortion/contraception one which was lost years ago, but the only one that still matters. The POP CULTURE war. As Breitbart said, it all begins and ends there. We ran against an American idol president and lost. Add to that the success of the Gramcian “march through the institutions,” of the left for the last 50 years and this is where we are.

By the way, since in the end, reality DOES have a conservative bias it is interesting to note for our liberal trolls that the same climate change scientists are now admitting that global warming STOPPED 15 years ago…

Oh well their is always the Mayans…

Janovus on November 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

One last thing: I watched it.

The Dem (Obama) machine got them out. It was working for a long time, in my opinion. Give O props.

I don’t think it was Facebook but I shall bow to any superior info on specific cases you may have.

IlikedAUH2O on November 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

47% don’t pay taxes, so what the hell do they care if taxes go up? That was his point.

So, then what are we disagreeing about?

Expanding the base. What do you think that means, when Ryan said it?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Are trying to imply something? It obviously means what it sounds like.

abobo on November 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

independentvoice on November 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Your broad brush is a little over the top, no?

Man-made climate change is a hoax
All illegal immigrants are parasites
All people on welfare are moochers
All Democrats are idiotic, Socialists, traitors
All pollsters are slanting their polls
The mainstream media is biased
Obama is a traitor, a liar, a Muslim
America has died
Majority of voters want to have illegal immigrants deported
Majority of voters want to repeal Obamacare
Obamacare means death panels

None of those statements, so common on this blog site, are true.

Some are demonstrably true, though your generalizations are so widely flung as to be ludicrous.

hillbillyjim on November 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Now ice cold and snowy for people without heat for nearly two weeks

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Already told you Obama has taken care of everything. There is no more suffering.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

We also need to be aware of the fact that this high turnout among young voters might not be an anomaly. Social Media (Twitter/FB in particular) has made politics more visible than ever to the 18-25 year old demographic; kids who used to be completely indifferent to politics (out of sight, out of mind mentality) are now bombarded by friends on FB/Twitter who share their political musings 24/7. We figured 2008 was a high turnout for youth voters because Obama was ‘historic,’ but we might just be seeing a new voter paradigm, where young voters turnout early Presidential election in high numbers because of their political engagement on social media.

This is why it’s dangerous to alienate kids who would otherwise be receptive to a fiscally conservative message with social attitudes that seem archaic to them, like the gay marriage issue.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

This. Our messaging must start from FB up, not press release down.

faraway on November 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

With regard to Asians, GOP diatribes against Hispanics and other dark skinned people as “illegals,” “takers” and “moochers and looters” have an effect. I have a friend who is 2nd generation Chinese, born in Pasadena, and is often mistaken for a Mexican. She cancelled a planned vacation in Arizona due to Sheriff Joe’s antics and the new “show me your papers” laws — she was afraid she or her teenage daughters would get hauled in off the street. These attitudes and policies affect the perceptions of many more people than the targeted audience.

cam2 on November 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Back in 2009 (you could probably google this), I said that if UE got below 8% Obama wins in 2012. 8.5% is a 50/50 bet. Simply due to the length of time UE had been high. You get used to less. That’s human nature.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

That’s the great thing about Obama. If you give him four more years you won’t even mind when the UE rate is twice that.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Remember the Bush years? Everyone whining about the economy overheating or some such bullcrap? I put that forth as evidence to support my theory.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Yeah. I do. Wish I could go back to them. Money and jobs were plentiful.

Lanceman on November 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

***************** Alert ************************

And so it begins…..

2 arrested at University of Mississippi protest against the re-election of President Barack Obama – @AP

18 mins ago from abcnews.go.com by editor

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/election-protest-ole-miss-escalates-arrested-17666000#.UJsENGerE2x

canopfor on November 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I’ll say it again. Nineveh had 40 day to destruction, and repented. And God delayed Nineveh’s destruction for 350 years. We’ve had 4 years to make this choice. And we chose. I would like to say we can still repent as a nation, and possibly we can, but we stand as much chance of returning to a constitutional government as Venezuela does.

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

by the way, the situation in New York is getting worse, gas lines are not abating, power is still questionable, and people are getting desperate and burnt out.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Now ice cold and snowy for people without heat for nearly two weeks

blatantblue on November 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Already told you Obama has taken care of everything. There is no more suffering.

bgibbs1000 on November 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

bgibbs,
Oddly enough no one seems to care anymore.

rob verdi on November 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

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