Video: The obligatory “what the heck is wrong with Philly” post

posted at 11:21 am on November 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I’m getting a lot of e-mail about a Fox and Friends video that looks like deja vu all over again, as Yogi Berra might have said.  In 2008, two members of the New Black Panther Party showed up to a Philadelphia voting station with a nightstick and tried to chase people away, especially one reporter who got it all on video.  The two men were arrested, failed to contest their prosecution, and ended up convicted by default of voter intimidation — until the Department of Justice under Eric Holder decided to withdraw the case, which created a huge controversy over the direction of the Civil Rights Division.

Today, one NBPP member has returned to the same polling station, and F&F suggested that voter intimidation had returned:

Perhaps the NBPP member has that in mind, but there are a couple of important differences.  There is nothing illegal about standing outside a voting station.  Feel free to try it at home.  This person seems to have left the nightstick at home, and he’s not interacting with anyone approaching, unlike the 2008 incident in which the two men actively intimidated the reporter.  This may appear intimidating to people, but it’s not a case of illegal voter intimidation to stand outside a polling station in a beret.  As Casey Stengel really did say, you can look it up.

On the other hand, as Mary Katharine has reported in our Green Room, the Democratic machine has tried to muscle Republican election observers out of the voting stations.  Fortunately a judge has intervened in that dispute, but it shows just how bare-knuckled these fights get on the ground, perhaps especially in Philadelphia.  Republicans would do better to keep an eye on Democrats rather than the NBPP.

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Meanwhile, the international election observers are worried about what’s happening in Texas.

Mark1971 on November 6, 2012 at 11:51 AM

No way the blue hats are going into Philly. They know funny stuff is happening there and they’d have to at least comment on it.
This would blow the gig for them.
Their primary concern is watching conservative areas.

Hope Texas tosses them.

Jabberwock on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Just ask yourself this. Is there a need for Black Panthers at the polling precincts?

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Oh, c’mon! Can’t we piss him off? Pleeeeease!

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM

:)
Ultimately you can do what you like, you’re your own boss. But the threads are much better when the trolls & liberals are ignored.

22044 on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 PM

So no one should have a problem with displaying the Stars and Bars on a state flag?

BobMbx on November 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Wow, again. People are confusing this guy at a polling place with a state government endorsing a pro-slavery political party. As Toni Morrison says of white racism, “it is a profound distortion” or reality.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

As trolls go, this one is at least intelligent…

Archivarix on November 6, 2012 at 11:48 AM

No, not in the least, and that doesn’t say much for those that take the bait.

slickwillie2001 on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

*clink* 7%

:)

cmsinaz on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Republicans would do better to keep an eye on Democrats rather than the NBPP.

Hate groups like the NBPP merit a wary eye. But they are also there to agitate.

Happy Nomad on November 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

JadeNYU on November 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Never mind the pointed white hood…libfree would have a titty attack if he saw a white dude walking on stilts dressed up like Uncle Sam in a 4th of July parade.

RepubChica on November 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

But a lot of seniors and other folk would. That’s the point.

Who is John Galt on November 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Maybe, but I’m a senior and that guy would be about as intimidating to me as a 3 pound puppy yapping around my feet. Having a submachine gun stuffed up your nose by a member of The Guardia Civil, now that’s pretty intimidating. This guy, not so much.

Oldnuke on November 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Oh, c’mon! Can’t we piss him off? Pleeeeease!

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM

You can’t piss him off, every time you engage, he/she wins the thread.

slickwillie2001 on November 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I couldn’t resist busting his b*lls on this one. ~grins wickedly~

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Now you know how I feel slapping the green plasticine troll around.

What if a skinhead with a swastika & 88 tattooed on his head just stood at the same place without nightstick or anything else. Would that be intimidation?

As long as they are otherwise following the law, nope.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Good. What about the second part of my statement, especially if they were just following the law?

AH_C on November 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM

A noose is a weapon directly linked to the murder of tens of thousands of people in this country. Is this man carrying a weapon?

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM

You got a source for that number.
What I find is:

From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black.

That’s from a page about Charles W. Chesnutt. I’m sure you know who that was.

So your claim of tens of thousands is a bit overstated which makes your other claims suspect.

Frank Enstine on November 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla. The group portrays itself as a militant, modern-day expression of the black power movement (it frequently engages in armed protests of alleged police brutality and the like), but principals of the original Black Panther Party of the 1960s and 1970s— a militant, but non-racist, left-wing organization — have rejected the new Panthers as a “black racist hate group” and contested their hijacking of the Panther name and symbol.

Fallon on November 6, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I was unaware that the original Panthers had rejected this group. I appreciate that info and it does make me reconsider the issue.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Republicans would do better to keep an eye on Democrats rather than the NBPP.

LOL – Isn’t that like saying it is better to keep an eye on cows rather than the holstein herd.

gengwall on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Are you suggesting one could soften him up with a couple doughnuts?

RedCrow on November 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM

I dunno. He just looks like a guy that, when he’s not out there playing Black Panther, is sitting in the corner bar with some black and white and whatever fellow geezers from the neighborhood playing pinocchle, chain smoking and nursing a beer.
In other words, not exactly a Mandingo warrior.

justltl on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Exactly. It really pisses me of and I wish I were there. F@#$ers.

VegasRick on November 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I’m not tough enough physically but mentally, nuclear. I’m what telescopic sights were invented for, uh, in a fantasy world. Thanks, Rick!

Who is John Galt on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

portlandon on November 6, 2012 at 11:57 AM

You can’t piss him off, every time you engage, he/she wins the thread.

slickwillie2001 on November 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

portlandon, see slickwillie2001′s post, he is spot on. You shouldn’t be telling the good guys to GPS.

22044 on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Where are those Code Pink Virginias when you need them? They’d make the perfect partner for that wanna-be bad-arse.

Mitsouko on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

:)
Ultimately you can do what you like, you’re your own boss. But the threads are much better when the trolls & liberals are ignored.

22044 on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 PM

You’re right, as usual. But this time, it seems so much fun to counter the debate of an intelligent liberal. He’s not like the one who triggered our trollcott. I can deal with a liberal like that, albeit a short while.

I just want to piss him. He’ll go away on his own, because he has a brain and knows when to stop. The other one–Well, he’s just a f*cking nag. *L*

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Forgive and Forget?

or

Track them down and put them in jail?

Follow them home get the address.
Follow them to their cars get the lis. plate.
Follow them and if they say a word, just point to your Cowboy hat red neck and tell them your a Gene Autry look alike and no one should be afarid of old Gene….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 6, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Romney should bring them the justice Holder forgot to.

the_nile on November 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I was unaware that the original Panthers had rejected this group. I appreciate that info and it does make me reconsider the issue.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM

You have to be 13 or so.

And quite stupid. The Toni Morrison quote gave it away.

Odie1941 on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I am sure those UN Election Watchers will take care of this prompto /sarc

Norwegian on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

You have to be 13 or so.

And quite stupid. The Toni Morrison quote gave it away.

Odie1941 on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

If you think only 13 year olds read Toni Morrison, I don’t know….you just don’t know that much about the professional study of American literature.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

As Toni Morrison says of white racism, “it is a profound distortion” or reality.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

In this case, you’re correct. It is indeed reality. The person creating the distortions is you, buttercup.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

:)
It’s kind of fun to run him off, but IME I’ve found that there’s too much back & forth. Some people have fun with it.

22044 on November 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Explain to me the need to have Black Panthers at polling places and I will treat at The Busy Bee.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM

I can point to an actual history of actual systemic violence by white men in white hoodies.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You’re just a young fool.

From wikipedia…

From the beginning, the Black Panther Party’s focus on militancy came with a reputation for violence.[57][58] The Panthers employed a California law that permitted carrying a loaded rifle or shotgun as long as it was publicly displayed and pointed at no one.[59] Carrying weapons openly and making threats against police officers, for example, chants like “The Revolution has co-ome, it’s time to pick up the gu-un. Off the pigs!”,[60] helped create the Panthers’ reputation as a violent organization.

RedCrow on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

If you think only 13 year olds read Toni Morrison, I don’t know….you just don’t know that much about the professional study of American literature.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

And you know less about everything and anything.

It’s clear this handle is used by 3 or 4 different people, narratives and vernaculars change – with a wide disparity between them.

You claim to be a man/women, professor/student, smart/dumb all within a 24 hour cycle.

Odie1941 on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

rogerb likes to post others comments in ways that emphasize some internal contradiction or hypocrisy…
 
libfreeordie on November 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

 
(Thanks for that foreward, btw.)
 
Compare/contrast:
 

So are a lot of other Americans who aren’t NBPP members, is his crime that he is just wearing the accoutrements of a movement that has explicitly called for black liberation?
 
libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:47 AM

 

or we can think hard about our willingness to blame entire groups for the actions of a few.
 
libfreeordie on August 6, 2012 at 8:11 AM

 

I’m a black man, I don’t trust or rely on the police for anything.
 
libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM

rogerb on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Toni Morrison is to literature as paint by the numbers is to fine art.

tommyboy on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend we live in a post-racial society, that’s a right-wing mythology (and if you study our history, it was a right-wing mythology even while half the nation was living under Jim Crow). I have no problem articulating why a group of white men in white hoodies with rope would intimidate me, I can point to an actual history of actual systemic violence by white men in white hoodies. I can point to a history of state governments totally ignoring or even co-signing their violence as evidence for my fear. But conservatives claim to be “post-racial,” to “not see color” to not have any kind of racial anxieties whatsoever. And yet a black man in a beret with no weapon has people cheering for the Navy SEALs (that better?) to come kick his butt and clear him out. It proves the lie of the post-racial mythology and that’s important.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Lol….you’re being utterly foolish. You think by invoking 50 year old apple to oranges metaphors that you’re proving your point. You sound like a fool.

And you talk about “post racial” as if Obozo and his cronies didn’t use the “hope” (there’s that word again) of America becoming post racial as a tool in order to gain votes. You completely ignore the irony that he won, precisely because so many people wish it was possible.

You can keep on being disingenuous, and pretending its a good thing to have a violent, racist fringe organization interfering with our free election process now, if you would like.

KMC1 on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If you think only 13 year olds read Toni Morrison, I don’t know….you just don’t know that much about the professional study of American literature.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Hey guys! LOOK. We are getting lectured by an English Lit college kid.

“professional study” of American literature….*snicker*

ClassicCon on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that the newer party is illegitimate and have firmly declared that “there is no new Black Panther Party”.

When former Nation of Islam (NOI) minister Khalid Abdul Muhammad became the national chairman of the NBPP from the late 1990s until his death in 2001, the group attracted many breakaway members of the NOI.

The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the NBPP as a “black racist” hate group.[11] Even the mildest critics of the organization have said that the NBPP’s provocative brand of black supremacy undermines other civil rights efforts.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a NBPP critic, has noted Muhammad’s statement that “there are no good crackers, and if you find one, kill him before he changes.”

When questioned by guest host Michelle Malkin, he labeled her a “political prostitute” and “mouthpiece for a male, chauvinist racist Bill O’Reilly.” Malkin said, “There’s only one whore on this split screen and it’s you, Mr. Shabazz.” Shabazz replied, “You should be ashamed of yourself for defending and being a spokesman for Bill O’Reilly, who has no respect for women.”

King Samir Shabazz, a former Nation of Islam member and head of the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia chapter, has a long history of confrontational racist behavior. He advocated racial separation and made incendiary racial statements while promoting anti-police messages in the media and on the streets of Philadelphia. He publicly announced “I hate white people. All of them.” He also suggested the killing of white babies

the NBPP offered a $10,000 bounty for the “legal citizen’s arrest” of George Zimmerman, the alleged perpetrator of the shooting of Trayvon Martin. The group also stated that it believed in “a life for a life”.

Bobby Seale, one of the co-founding members of the original Black Panther Party, spoke out against the New Black Panther Party. Calling the rhetoric of the New Black Panther Party “xenophobic”, he spoke of their remarks as, “absurd, racial, [and] categorical”.

Just to hate another person because [of] the color of their skin or their ethnicity — we don’t do that. That’s not what the goal objective is. The goal objective is human liberation. The goal objective is the greater community cooperation and humanism. The goal objective is to get rid of institutionalized racism….

Reacting to a video of two representatives of the NBPP positioned outside of a polling place on Election Day in 2008 in Philadelphia, who called themselves “security”, he referred to their actions as voter intimidation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If you think only 13 year olds read Toni Morrison, I don’t know….you just don’t know that much about the professional study of American literature.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Toni Morrison is one of the many writers shoved down the throats of students who subverts the study of more talented authors. “Unfortunately,” many of those authors have made the grave mistake of being both male and Caucasian, which is an unforgivable sin in the eyes of 21st century English professors.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM

. I don’t pretend we live in a post-racial society, that’s a right-wing mythology libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I agree. The left wing race baiters who simply cannot help themseves, use the black population to further divide, every chance they get!

kcd on November 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM

:)
It’s kind of fun to run him off, but IME I’ve found that there’s too much back & forth. Some people have fun with it.

22044 on November 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM

The key to good destruction of a liberal, I find, is to say your piece short and quick, then let the lib rant. While the lib is ranting, the rest of us move on to better things.

That’s why, I believe, we’re in the 21st Century while liberals with their Marxism are still stuck in the 19th.

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM

justltl on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Well, I joined your joke, but as someone else said, there are laws against voter intimidation specifically for the meak, the old, the frail, etc.

RedCrow on November 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I’m a black man, I don’t trust or rely on the police for anything.

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Ah, now that makes sense.

Dude, stop projecting.
I hate to tell you, but when you walk around believing everyone is against you, you’ll find a way to make that true. You gotta take the chip off your shoulder and stop being racist.

KMC1 on November 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

From the beginning, the Black Panther Party’s focus on militancy came with a reputation for violence.[57][58] The Panthers employed a California law that permitted carrying a loaded rifle or shotgun as long as it was publicly displayed and pointed at no one.[59] Carrying weapons openly and making threats against police officers, for example, chants like “The Revolution has co-ome, it’s time to pick up the gu-un. Off the pigs!”,[60] helped create the Panthers’ reputation as a violent organization.

RedCrow on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

All this does is prove my point. “Openly displaying weapons” is an act of violence? I guess the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to black people. Chanting anti-police statements = acts of physical violence. And then the final quote “helped create the Panthers’ reputation as a violent organization.”

Point me to a history of actual Panther violence that comes anywhere near what the Klan and non-Klan whites who ran “sundown towns” all over the country. Otherwise you’re going on rumor and words and fear.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

As Toni Morrison says of white racism, “it is a profound distortion” or reality.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I read Morrison’s poignant ‘The Bluest Eye’ many years ago. It was good, but too much popular literature for blacks is steeped in racial inferiority, rage and paranoia. It’s like you guys just don’t want to move on, but relive the pain and sins of the past.

But I’m not surprised you keep quoting her here in your ongoing HA racial treatise.

RepubChica on November 6, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I was unaware that the original Panthers had rejected this group. I appreciate that info and it does make me reconsider the issue.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM

…ah…no!…you will always be a bigot!… ^ you didn’t even know this ^…sad!

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Check this one out!

Unreal: Giant Obama Mural Painted On Wall Inside Philly Polling Place – Update: Judge Orders Mural Covered Up…

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/06/unreal-giant-obama-mural-painted-on-wall-inside-philly-polling-place/

Zcat on November 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM

And you talk about “post racial” as if Obozo and his cronies didn’t use the “hope” (there’s that word again) of America becoming post racial as a tool in order to gain votes. You completely ignore the irony that he won, precisely because so many people wish it was possible.

I’m well aware of the pernicious post-racialism peddled by the Obama campaign and Democrats generally. This is precisely why the problems of mass incarceration, police brutality and other forms of specifically anti-black racism have not been alleviated under his Presidency.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Point me to a history of actual Panther violence that comes anywhere near what the Klan and non-Klan whites who ran “sundown towns” all over the country

The Zebra serial killings in California were every bit as bad.

tommyboy on November 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM

The voting area at the library where I voted was in the basement. As I was leaving, I overheard a conversation a little old lady was having about the elevator. Apparently she had taken the stairs down, but was afraid to take the elevator back up. “Not by myself.” So I offered to go with her.

Would this dear lady have been intimidated by the n!66@ thug?

Not on my watch!

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Lol. You’re pathetic.
Also, do your own research, dummy.

RedCrow on November 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The voting area at the library where I voted was in the basement. As I was leaving, I overheard a conversation a little old lady was having about the elevator. Apparently she had taken the stairs down, but was afraid to take the elevator back up. “Not by myself.” So I offered to go with her.

Would this dear lady have been intimidated by the n!66@ thug?

Not on my watch!

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Wow….

Yup, certainly no basis for my arguments on this thread today. None whatsoever.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Of course it’s intimidation . . . only those with less than 4 functioning synapse would say it isn’t.

rplat on November 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Point me to a history of actual Panther violence that comes anywhere near what the Klan and non-Klan whites who ran “sundown towns” all over the country. Otherwise you’re going on rumor and words and fear.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

In the past 25 years I can point to tons of instances of black on white crime in urban areas like Philly, Detroit, and Cleveland, whereas actual crimes by “KKK”-like groups are much more rare to the point of almost always becoming national news stories (like the murder of James Byrd).

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Chanting anti-police statements = acts of physical violence The Revolution has co-ome, it’s time to pick up the gu-un. Off the pigs!”

UUhhh.. YES

kcd on November 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

This is precisely why the problems of mass incarceration, police brutality and other forms of specifically anti-black racism have not been alleviated under his Presidency.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I dunno man. A black guy in what he thinks of as a uniform is walking post at a voting booth in Philly, and he’s being allowed to continue doing it.

Axe on November 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Those black panthers can only intimidate if one allows their self to be intimidated. They wouldn’t stop me. If it turns into a physical altercation, then that’s different. That’s beyond intimidation and I’d call 911. But I would vote. NOTHING was going to stop me from voting today.

Oink on November 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I dunno man. A black guy in what he thinks of as a uniform is walking post at a voting booth in Philly, and he’s being allowed to continue doing it.

Axe on November 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Well this is how white supremacy works, you interpret a black citizen doing things any citizen can do as some kind of advancement or encroachment. Its the same way pro-Jim Crow southerners talked about integration as a loss of their rights. For those with privilege any move towards equality is understood as an aggressive encroachment. Its a theme that constantly circulates in conservative discourse.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Instead of coming here b*tching at us, it would be really awesome if these liberal black racialists would get on the case of their Sharptons, Jacksons, and Farrkans. How about Sharpton selling some of his bling to feed a few more black Americans?

Father Divine, a black huckster from the 1930s, lived high on the hog in Harlem for years. I forget much of the history there, but I think the most he gave to the community was a few babies with the married women he seduced.

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Just to be clear, we’re all just ignoring davidk right?

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM

This is precisely why the problems of mass incarceration, police brutality and other forms of specifically anti-black racism have not been alleviated under his Presidency.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM

And I got news for ya, libfree, my pal. It ain’t gonna change after another Obama term, either, or a 30-year Obama dynasty for that matter.

More government, endless government is not the answer for my fellow black brothers and sisters.

RepubChica on November 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Well this is how white supremacy works,

No, that’s how black thuggery works.

tommyboy on November 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Well this is how white supremacy works, you interpret a black citizen doing things any citizen can do as some kind of advancement or encroachment. Its the same way pro-Jim Crow southerners talked about integration as a loss of their rights. For those with privilege any move towards equality is understood as an aggressive encroachment. Its a theme that constantly circulates in conservative discourse.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Pull the black man out of the uniform, put a white man in the uniform.

Now arrest and remove him please.

Axe on November 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Again:

Bobby Seale, one of the co-founding members of the original Black Panther Party, …

Reacting to a video of two representatives of the NBPP positioned outside of a polling place on Election Day in 2008 in Philadelphia, who called themselves “security”, he referred to their actions as voter intimidation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM

For those with privilege any move towards equality is understood as an aggressive encroachment. Its a theme that constantly circulates in conservative discourse.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

What move towards equality? I wouldn’t want a White Supremacist being able to intimidate people outside of a polling place, either. That’s exactly the point; you don’t WANT equality. You want a special set of rules.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

And I got news for ya, libfree, my pal. It ain’t gonna change after another Obama term, either, or a 30-year Obama dynasty for that matter.

Which is precisely why I don’t confuse voting for Obama with solving the problems of anti-black racism in our society. There are other fronts where I and others engage those struggles. Stop and Frisk policy in NYC for example. But, in the same way conservatives are holding their nose to vote for Romney while they continue to work to advance their agenda on other fronts, I’m voting for the President and if he wins I’m free to return to my primary role as anti-Obama/Democratic agitator from the left.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Yup, we’re just all going to pretend that davidk’s super racist post didn’t happen. Right? That’s the plan? Just let me know if that’s officially the plan.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I’m voting for the President and if he wins I’m free to return to my primary role as anti-Obama/Democratic agitator from the left.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Yes, because he clearly has much more incentive to listen to complaints from his left flank when he doesn’t have to worry about being re-elected.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

What move towards equality? I wouldn’t want a White Supremacist being able to intimidate people outside of a polling place, either. That’s exactly the point; you don’t WANT equality. You want a special set of rules.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Good solid A+ there.

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Yup, we’re just all going to pretend that davidk’s super racist post didn’t happen. Right? That’s the plan? Just let me know if that’s officially the plan.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

It’s called the “Eric Holder Solution,” lib. If I didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Guy just standing there? Meh.

DarkCurrent on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Just to be clear, we’re all just ignoring davidk right?

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Nah…he will get banned. Maybe he was a victim of rampant black crime against whites? Maybe he is a Moby sent by your side to “prove” your point.

ClassicCon on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Hey guys! LOOK. We are getting lectured by an English Lit college kid.

“professional study” of American literature….*snicker*

ClassicCon on November 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Don’t know if a PhD in Post-Dada Lesbian Haiku counts for much of anything, and an AA degree at that.

slickwillie2001 on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Classic race baiting. No smothered and covered fried chicken for you troll.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Wow….

Yup, certainly no basis for my arguments on this thread today. None whatsoever.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

You, pup.

You don’t even know who I am.

If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.

Bobby Seale says it’s intimidation. Where were you when heads were gettin’ busted in the 60s. I was there.

If you get offended by by my calling someone a n!66@ whose stated goal is to kill crackers and white babies then you can kiss my shiny white @$$.

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Yup, we’re just all going to pretend that davidk’s super racist post didn’t happen. Right? That’s the plan? Just let me know if that’s officially the plan.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

It’s not super racist because he didn’t spell it out explicitly /

DarkCurrent on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Just to be clear, we’re all just ignoring davidk right?
 
libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM

 
Not me and thanks for pointing it out. It looks like a substitution was made to get it past the filter and I reject that attitude and language outright and unequivocally.

rogerb on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Nah…he will get banned

Doubt it.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Yup, we’re just all going to pretend that davidk’s super racist post didn’t happen. Right? That’s the plan? Just let me know if that’s officially the plan.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I would tell you I think he was being hyperbolic, but I don’t actually know, and I’ve probably already used up all my doubt-benefit with all this inherently-racist agitating to have the voter-intimidating, federal-law-violating paramilitary thug arrested and removed from the voting place in Philly.

Axe on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Don’t know if a PhD in Post-Dada Lesbian Haiku counts for much of anything, and an AA degree at that.

slickwillie2001 on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Anyone with an IQ over about 90 can get one of those, especially if affirmative action kicks in.

farsighted on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Funny how libfree admits that obama is a divider of race, yet libfree will vote for him anyway instead of giving Romney a shot at possibly uniting our country. Hmmm possibly because Romney is white? Who is the Raaaaacist here?

kcd on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Would this dear lady have been intimidated by the n!66@ thug?

Not on my watch!

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

You need to walk this comment back. It is a bannable offense and just plain wrong.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Explain to me the need to have Black Panthers at polling places and I will treat at The Busy Bee.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Why it is to keep all those “cracker babies” away from
the polling places ya big silly!

ToddPA on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

But, in the same way conservatives are holding their nose to vote for Romney while they continue to work to advance their agenda on other fronts, I’m voting for the President and if he wins I’m free to return to my primary role as anti-Obama/Democratic agitator from the left.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I like you. I bet we can have great conversations over coffee. One thing though, I can understand the psychology of blacks and having Obama in the White House, but I think that’s a cop out and in the end a disservice to the black community if you look at the last 4 years. There’s been absolutely no upward mobility for the black community in any measurable aspect out there. I just hope his achievement inspires many more blacks to pursue higher education, because that is the real measure of Obama’s success in life. (I’ll leave the media out of it for now).

RepubChica on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Nah…he will get banned. Maybe he was a victim of rampant black crime against whites? Maybe he is a Moby sent by your side to “prove” your point.

ClassicCon on November 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Heh. This is what I am:

Plantation owner davidk is a puke a human being. In fact, seems to be a good description of most Americans at this time.

astonerii on November 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Oh, look! The previously banned retread troll is calling for someone else to get banned.

farsighted on November 6, 2012 at 12:34 PM

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Doubling down? Don’t be surprised if the door hits you where the good Lord split you.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Doubt it.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

lol — it’s gonna be close.

Axe on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Yup, certainly no basis for my arguments on this thread today. None whatsoever.

libfreeordie

Racist hypocrite says what?

xblade on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Good Lord! Fox is giving The Reeverenda Jaccksona, facetime! Biggest race baiter evah!

kcd on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Yup, we’re just all going to pretend that davidk’s super racist post didn’t happen. Right? That’s the plan? Just let me know if that’s officially the plan.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Well, since we’re also supposed to ignore years of anti-Semitism from the Black Panthers/NBPP, I think we can ignore one little post, eh? It’s not like Philadelphia has a significant Jewish population or anything….

Good Solid B-Plus on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

If you get offended by by my calling someone a n!66@ whose stated goal is to kill crackers and white babies then you can kiss my shiny white @$$.

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Yeah, pretty sure that Bobby Seale isn’t endorsing anything about any of your particular posts, whatever he has said about the NBPP. But we know that posters on this board love to use one or two statements from black anti-racist activists to prove some point. There was that embarassing display from people trying to use MLK as a conservative a few days back. I pity you.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Best walk it back. Waiting…..

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The thing I learned about thugs is that their really pussies when it’s one on one. They get bold when it’s 10 of them and one of you.

patman77 on November 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Doubt it.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Please…you in the black community have done wonders empowering that little word when spoken by a dirty cracker. So you are saying poster’s do not get banned by so called “racist” language on this site?

Just curious…is hate an allowable emotion in your world? Serious question…not loaded.

ClassicCon on November 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM

It’s liable to get uglier before the day is over.

kingsjester on November 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I pray you are wrong…but fear you’re right.

And as far as the big guy hanging around the polling station…I’m glad to see he left the billy club home this time. He wouldn’t be intimidating to me….but I’m not a little 80 year old lady. Maybe he should put on an Eagles cap instead. Then….as long as he wasn’t interacting with incoming voters, he could play doorman all day long.

lynncgb on November 6, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Would this dear lady have been intimidated by the n!66@ thug?

Not on my watch!

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

You need to walk this comment back. It is a bannable offense and just plain wrong.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Wrong? I hear black people calling each other that every day. Literally. You should hear the things black people call each other.

Bannable? I would hate to see it, but I’ve had a lot worse happen to me.

Two kinds off people I can’t abide. A snitch and a bully.

If someone wants to intimidate little old ladies, they will answer if it is within my power.

davidk on November 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I am appalled at the US election process. There are way too many avenues for fraud and corruption in what is supposed to be a democratic system with checks and balances.

Sparky5253 on November 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I bet that if half a dozen white people went to hang out with this thug, even buying him coffee and lunch, the MSM would scream racism and ‘intimidation of an innocent black man’.

Liam on November 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Race baiter.

Bmore on November 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Funny how libfree admits that obama is a divider of race, yet libfree will vote for him anyway instead of giving Romney a shot at possibly uniting our country. Hmmm possibly because Romney is white? Who is the Raaaaacist here?

kcd on November 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I’m voting for Obama because of the few policy differences that exist between them. On those issues, I agree with Democrats more than the GOP. Its actually, entirely immaterial to race. The problem I have with Romney supporters (and I don’t count most people on this blog as such) who actually are entirely unable to explain why they would vote for Romney other than vague notions of “freedom,” “liberty” “character” (ha!) and such. Like, that mess is tired and shallow and leads me to wonder…there must be some other reason why. Especially when you find those Romney supporters who are union members or who have historically voted Democrat, its just like…no objective measure of this Presidency shows it to be any different than the Clinton years in terms of a right-left ideology. A lot of people have taken Obama’s circulation within leftist circles in his youth as a way of reading a set of policies that look remarkably like mainstream Dem policies over the last 20 years. In fact, there are a host of ways this Administration is to the right of what Hillary would have done. When I see that stuff I think its fair to say…race matters in the way some Americans view this election. I’m not even saying its about “hatred” which is unproductive, but that its a factor.

libfreeordie on November 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

So what we have here is a previously banned race baiting troll inciting other posters with charges of racism and then calling for one of them to be banned.

Trolls will be trolls and do what trolls do.

farsighted on November 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM

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