10 pm: Iowa, Nevada, & the West

posted at 9:31 pm on November 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you’ve gotten this far without either popping champagne corks or cerebral arteries, the toughest of the two major swing states are next up for us.  Iowa has been too close to call through a number of polls, but Nevada’s been leaning toward Obama — even though the population contains a significant Mormon vote that should swing to Romney.  With any luck, Romney ends up not needing either state; if he does, this might be a tough night.

For Iowa, you can get updates on voting results from Twitter by following the Secretary of State’s account.  Otherwise, you can brave slow load times by going directly to the results page on their website.  In Nevada, they don’t have a Secretary of State — they have the Cashier’s Window.  Just kidding! Nevada’s SoS has a very nice web page set up to display the data as well as map the results as they come in.

Update, 9:56 ET: Nothing much to report on my section of the country, but Iowa closes in a few minutes.  The paths for a Romney win have all been eliminated except FL-NC-VA-OH and either Colorado or Iowa.  This thread may not make too much difference overall, but Iowa might still be important.

Update: An interesting point:

With so much voter dissatisfaction, it’s interesting that we’re on the cusp of keeping the status quo in the House, Senate, and White House.

Update: Not sure what this means:

Doesn’t sound as though CBS wants to make a call, but Iowa only has 11% of precincts reporting.

Update: Minnesota isn’t on my beat, ironically, but it’s worth mentioning that the early returns show both the voter-ID and traditional marriage constitutional amendments trailing, with about 41% Yes for each.

Update: The New York Post has a cheerier take:

Arizona has a key Senate race, but I expect Jeff Flake to win that pretty easily, too.

Update: Colorado is also not my beat, but this isn’t good news:

Harsanyi’s there on the ground.

Update, 11:04 ET: Pacific & Mountain Time calls for Romney: ID, MT, WY, UT, AZ.  For Obama: WA, CA.  Still not called: NV, OR.

Update: Jim Geraghty works out the numbers and discovers that elections aren’t exactly efficient:

Imagine what it would cost to flip California!

Update: CBS calls Iowa for Obama:

That’s been trending all hour, so it’s no surprise — but with Fox calling Ohio for Obama, it’s not very important.

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Gotta say this: It doesn’t matter.

$16+ trillion dollars in debt, and increasing on an exponential curve. That exponential curve is driven by implacable, relentless mathematics.

It doesn’t matter who was elected. Our fate is baked-in by forces beyond Mitt Romney, and far, far beyond 0bama. Our fate is determined by exponential math.

Thank God for this: 0bama owns it now.

ZenDraken on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Maybe the house can stop playing nice and investigate Benghazi and impeach.

Mormontheman on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Help them in the process and let Obama blame himself now for the last 4 years.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Yeah, Obama is inheriting a pretty bad economy from himself.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Who out there can tell the teat suckers that the party’s over and still win? That’s a tough one.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:22 AM

LoLz..You make a good point!..A very good point..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Hot Air is about to lose me since they don’t want to clean it up with the trolls. Hell, this is 2012. Any one of us can make a website just like this and make it troll free. The Internet is easy like that.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 1:05 AM

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You’ll need something besides a Free Shit Army email addy to register.

rayra on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

The Communist Democrats are rocking and rolling TEATS for everyone.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Where do you guys keep getting that the Dems are communists from? Not a one of them is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Thanks America for confirming once again why my state (actually, nation) should have never joined the Union. A mistake then, a bigger mistake now. A far bigger mistake now.

When someone needs you more than you need them, you have to ask, “Why am I here?”

TXUS on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Yeah, but then we get Joe Biden!
Hahaha……oh dear. When the f ing fireworks stop I’ll laugh myself to sleep.

ORconservative on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

joe walsh, that neanderthal, is gone, too.

sesquipedalian on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Yay, and Jesse Jackson Jr wins while hunkered down in the Mayo Clinic hiding from indictments and hasn’t been to work in months.

America, what a place/

JPeterman on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

I feel ill thinking of the likellihood that Democrat voter fruad swung this election. I think it may have. It’s a horrible thought.

talkingpoints on November 7, 2012 at 1:14 AM

May have??

Of course it did.

Norwegian on November 7, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Sad and pathetic excuses from LOSERS.

sob0728 on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

… but I think if you look at the President’s actions, you’ll see a man who wants what’s best for his country…

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Aaaaaand, right there is where I stopped reading and started laughing my ass off.

Thought you’d like to know.

Left Coast Right Mind on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

ZenDraken on November 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

The most sensible comment I’ve seen all night.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Congratulations, America.

You are now a socialist country. I don’t know who you are. You are nothing I understand. This is not the country I grew up in and loved its values.

But you have made your choice. You chose someone who never really claimed the mantel of the presidency and re-elected him.

Perhaps the second time around when enough of you are hurting you will understand how much your “president” hates you and this country.

In the meantime, you may enjoy knowing that your fellow countrymen are suffering, scraping to get by with part time jobs and fighting for them like starving people scraping for scraps.

That’s socialism in all it’s glory. Yes, a few of you at the top are enjoying being part of the Politburo.

And you really do enjoy, it, don’t you? You prosper. We pay.

Socialism and Communism are only a repeat of the old world order. This is what the Democrat party of today is. They are communists. Plain and simple.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Who should we have ran??..Got any answers..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 AM

……Someone with their hair on fire.

Dongemaharu on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Well that sucked. But politically were going to have a lot of fun. I would rather attack Obama than defend Romney for the next 4 years.

brewcrew67 on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Two big questions that need to be answered:

1. Can the Republican party ever win another election with 80% of minorities voting against it every time?

2. If not, then where do Conservatives go from here?

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Aaaaaand, right there is where I stopped reading and started laughing my ass off.

Thought you’d like to know.

Left Coast Right Mind on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Yeah, okay, sure. Believe the president actually and actively hates America, and worked his way into the presidency in order to deliberately sabotage the country and do it harm. If thinking nutty things gets you through the day, well, who am I to gainsay it. But it’s a pretty poor prism through which to understand the events that are to come.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Yeah, Obama is inheriting a pretty bad economy from himself.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Thought of that too. Want to see if he blames the “previous administration” anytime soon, because then he’d be referring to his first term.

Left Coast Right Mind on November 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Yep. And it took a complete economic collapse for the system to fall. Reagan was a good president, but Communism was defeated by a debt spiral from interest on loans from western banks. The Democrats are going to borrow us to death.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

One more thing, may Roberts go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Socialism and Communism are only a repeat of the old world order. This is what the Democrat party of today is. They are communists. Plain and simple.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

You guys keep saying it, so I’ll keep rebutting it:

Not a single Democrat I’ve ever heard of is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Where do you guys keep getting that the Dems are communists from? Not a one of them is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Not yet – but they’re working on it. Did you know that the Federal Government indirectly owns half the homes in this country, since they nationalized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? They’ve taken over health care, and they would love to take over the energy sector. Their rhetoric, endless class warfare, income equality, etc., comes right out of the Communist Manifesto. The U.S. Constitution is the only thing standing in their way – and we are already living in a post-Constitutional America.

Being discussed right now amongst “progressives” is taking over our 401K and pensions. There’s trillions of dollars there.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Sadness. We were always in God’s hands, but this outcome makes it crystal clear that that is our only hope. I so want to navigate peacefuly to an American future in which the liberties and rights of the people are respected by limited government. At this point, we cannot call that “restoration” or “going back to our roots” any more. It is instead the only way to have a future, and not merely the prospect of a slow, agonizing death — of our republic and all we hold dear.

For America, for liberty: We have not yet begun to fight.

J.E. Dyer on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

The left has successfully Balkanizsed the country into hyphenated-Americans. We need to see that and co-opt their strategy. We have to nominate a Hispanic for president. Rubio is our only hope.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Where do you guys keep getting that the Dems are communists from? Not a one of them is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Technically Obama (Barackito Obamalini) and his “democrats” (fascocrats) are fascists. Obama is just a less articulate and less intelligent and less manly, Benito Mussolini.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Time for you to toggle that “Contact Hot Air” icon at the upper right of any page and demand that the trolls be purged. Or consider taking a break from Hot Air.

M240H on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Who should we have ran??..Got any answers..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Someone whose didn’t tell Hispanics that they can go “self-deport”.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Dongemaharu on November 7, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Really??..Who??!!??..Do you have a name in mind??..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 AM

You guys keep saying it, so I’ll keep rebutting it:

Not a single Democrat I’ve ever heard of is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

They took over Health Care – the whole industry. They own how much of GM? They took over the mortgage industry with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. They took over the Student Loan Industry. How many more industries do they have to take over before they are Communists in your book?

Theophile on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 AM

The fact is, Mitt, the GOP, and a number of his supporters did screw up in some regards.

1. No one was exactly sure where Mitt stood on several critical issues. One of my biggest complaints through out this election was that there was two sides of Mitt. There was his time as a Liberal Governor, and then there was the Presidential Candidate Mitt, of 2008 and 2010. Magically, Presidential Mitt, was a Conservative, always was, always has been. Except… he wasn’t. Every so often for the past 6 years, when Mitt first became a potential contender, he would slip back into his liberalism. And they weren’t excusable little slips. These were big slips. Praising Romneycare and it’s mandate, for example, is not a good way to fire up a base that is against Obamneycare in any form. Talks about his past actions as governor, or words, such as his previous Pro-Gun Control stance where intentionally kept vague, as a way to placate the base. And when seriously questioned on these issues, rather than owning up to it, Romney’s campaign and most ardent supporters would make the infamous excuse of “Well, he did that, simply because, he had to go along to get along”

*facepalm* Earth to GOP Establishment, 2010′s Tea Party victory was not a vote for more “Go along to get along Bipartisanship”. It was a wake up call for “We want candidates that are anti-corruption, anti-big government. Pro fiscal conservative, anti-waste. And when they say they are for or against something, we expect them to hold to it, and if they change that stance, to tell us why.”

2. Speaking of which, Post 2010- the Tea Party message got Dulled and muffled by the GOP establishment that wanted to return to the “Business as usual” of pre-2008.

3. Disenchanted Conservatives and Libertarians were only pushed further away by the GOP establishment and the worst aspects of Mitt’s followers. You don’t gain those people, by constantly insulting them.

4. Young voters feel abandoned by the old generation. We’re just plain tired seeing the older generations get ever increasing benefits and political buy offs to keep them happy, while we’re going to end up paying the bill.

Razgriez on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 AM

J.E. Dyer on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Excellent post..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Just watched Romney’s concession speech. He has class-so gracious.The dream he had for America’s comeback is GONE-DAMN! I am sick over it.
I point the finger of responsibility for our coming mess at Justice John Robert’s for flipping his Obamacare vote and also blame Chris Christie for his stupid lavish praise of Obama which apparently stopped Romney’s momentum, per Fox news polling commentary.
Welcome to a country about to change dramatically. This is a great grief.

3dpuzzman on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Technically Obama (Barackito Obamalini) and his “democrats” (fascocrats) are fascists. Obama is just a less articulate and less intelligent and less manly, Benito Mussolini.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

See? Finally, someone who gets it! But ‘fascist’ is sort of a loaded term, so I tend to stick with corporatist, which is more descriptive in any case.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Of course not. They are incremental revolutionaries. They want to fundamentally transform the country step by step. And they have been amazingly successful to this point. The country just re-elected a failed president because he cobbled together a racial identity coalition of government teat-suckers. If you care about the country you should ignore what they say and instead recognize the inevitable consequence of their policies, which is national bankruptcy.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Yeah, okay, sure. Believe the president actually and actively hates America,

Thanks for your permission, but I already do.

and worked his way into the presidency in order to deliberately sabotage the country and do it harm.

Wrong. He’s not worked a day in his entire miserable existence. Everything he’s “accomplished” (and I use that word in its broadest possible sense) has been handed to him.

If thinking nutty things gets you through the day, well, who am I to gainsay it.

If being a condescending jackhole on the internet gets you through the day, well, who am I to gainsay it.

But it’s a pretty poor prism through which to understand the events that are to come.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

What’s to come, if we continue on our current trajectory, is ruin. But hey, that’s for future generations to worry about…let’s party now!

Left Coast Right Mind on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

The abortion-obsessed types. No, you believe what you want to believe about abortion. That’s your business and decision, and the point. I’m not trying to insult you. Really.

America has long since decided on this issue and any Republican that ignores that will be the POTUS election loser from now on. Guaranteed. The Supreme Court is gone now, and you can forget about Roe and the issue ever going back to the states.

It hurt Romney this election, even though he did everything he could to not say much about it. The liberal media said it for him. The facts are the facts.

Moesart on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Not a single Democrat I’ve ever heard of is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

You are a phucking idiot.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 AM

You guys keep saying it, so I’ll keep rebutting it:

Not a single Democrat I’ve ever heard of is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Actually this is a fair point. Every thing about Obama indicates that he isn’t seeking a full government takeover of private industries, but rather collusion with certain big corporations, offering them rewards in return for their acquiescence to limited government control.

In that sense, Obama is not a Socialist. He is an economic Fascist.

Gingotts on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 AM

We have to nominate a Hispanic for president. Rubio is our only hope.

But Rubio wants to propose his own version of the “Dream Act”. Can he even get nominated by the “death before amnesty” Republican party in its current form?

Something has to give.

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Two big questions that need to be answered:

1. Can the Republican party ever win another election with 80% of minorities voting against it every time?

2. If not, then where do Conservatives go from here?

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Obama, now unbridled, will issue one or more executive orders to legalize millions upon millions of Mexicans (and their relatives with chain-migration) and the Fat Lady has sung taps on America. Obama is the worst and most anti-American President ever and if he gets reelected, which he did and it wasn’t even that close, I don’t see how any democrat can ever lose again to a Republican, or any other party, or President again.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 AM

And so begins the circular firing squad.

For what it is worth, for the second tie in 8 years I am thousands of dollar poorer, I have wasted days of my life driving/flying/calling people to get rid of the existential threat that is in the white house while most of you whined on the internet. (this isn’t directed at anyone who got off their ass) From what I observed in Virginia, the left simply outworked the right, again. They wanted it more and worked harder to get it.

I wont be doing this again. I can’t afford to, I’ve lost mu job as part of the engineering team on a defense project that will now be cancelled. My once comfortable and exiting future is now something I look forward to with anxiety and uncertainty.

V7_Sport on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 AM

… but I think if you look at the President’s actions, you’ll see a man who wants what’s best for his country…

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM

I can’t resist, have to do a gumme impersonation and paraphrase here: LOOl!!!, LOOl!!! the president doesn’t care about this country!! …

jimver on November 7, 2012 at 1:41 AM

They took over Health Care – the whole industry.

Theophile on November 7, 2012 at 1:36 AM

No, they didn’t. Don’t you have any idea what Obamacare does? It forces you to purchase insurance from private insurance companies, to pay for care in private or non-profit hospitals and medical practices. The government forcing you to purchase a product from a for-profit company is the very definition of corporatism, and is entirely different from communism. The government stake in GM has been being gradually unwound for the past 3 years, although I’m sure they’ll be bailed out again – another example of corporatist policy. As to student loans, as I said, they’re mixed market corporatists: they believe in an extensive entitlement state co-existing with a tightly regulated but privately owned market economy.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Allen West lost.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42

Just STFU, idiot.

V7_Sport on November 7, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

May she go the way of Greece and Spain.

She deserves no less.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2012 at 1:45 AM

No, they didn’t. Don’t you have any idea what Obamacare does? It forces you to purchase insurance from private insurance companies, to pay for care in private or non-profit hospitals and medical practices. The government forcing you to purchase a product from a for-profit company is the very definition of corporatism, and is entirely different from communism. The government stake in GM has been being gradually unwound for the past 3 years, although I’m sure they’ll be bailed out again – another example of corporatist policy. As to student loans, as I said, they’re mixed market corporatists: they believe in an extensive entitlement state co-existing with a tightly regulated but privately owned market economy.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Obamacare will bankrupt all of the private insurance companies. Period. It will all be taken over by the government. That is what it was designed to do.

Theophile on November 7, 2012 at 1:45 AM

You are a phucking idiot.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Oh, is that the term of art for countering overwrought hyperbole with plain facts? I’m still getting use to the lexicon in the post-election blogosphere, here :)

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

and also blame Chris Christie for his stupid lavish praise of Obama which apparently stopped Romney’s momentum, per Fox news polling commentary.

Don’t kid yourself, I know that pundits and trolls will be using this excuse a lot in the next few days, but the fact is Romney never had a chance. Remember he was down big in Ohio and most battleground states even BEFORE Sandy. The proof is in how badly he got massacred.

BTW, the biggest losers in this election are:
Gallup, Rasmussen, Dick Morris…am I forgetting anyone else?

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Allen West lost.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Are you serious??..:(

PS..Another bad sign of things to come..

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Just STFU, idiot.

V7_Sport on November 7, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Shut up, he explained.

I do find the hostile reaction to facts around here this evening rather amusing. I mean, I’m sure you hate to be deprived of a good panic, but there’s no call to be rude about it.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:47 AM

I think I’ll go nuts in the country.

Is Galveston nice?

gophergirl on November 7, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Yes it’s nice but terrible humidity. If I were you I’d take a look at the hill country in Texas rather then Galveston. If I could talk the wife into moving I’d be in the hill country years ago.

Hmmm…I was born in Rochester MN. We moved to Seattle at the end of WWII. I left Seattle at the ripe old age of 17 and have only ben back to visit. Presently live in SOCAL and hate it. Where in MN are you?

McCain Hater on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Not a single Democrat I’ve ever heard of is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Who now owns Student loans. US Government.

Who now owns a chunk of Government Motors. US Government.

You living under a rock.

Now the Government basically runs Health Care.

Even China discovered it is better to control rather than outright own the means of production by the way.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Of course not. They are incremental revolutionaries. They want to fundamentally transform the country step by step. And they have been amazingly successful to this point. The country just re-elected a failed president because he cobbled together a racial identity coalition of government teat-suckers. If you care about the country you should ignore what they say and instead recognize the inevitable consequence of their policies, which is national bankruptcy.

Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Putting aside whether “incremental revolutionaries” is an oxymoron, I’d agree that they want to transform the country. I’m just curious why so many people around here have taken it into their heads that their end goal is a communist state.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

What a LOVELY CAPITULATION Speech Romney gave. He must have practiced that for weeks!

Oh well. At least the Romney bench warmers got exactly what they deserved.

DannoJyd on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Obama’s speech: more of the same platitudes and talking points with no specifics.

Failure impends, once again.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Don’t kid yourself, I know that pundits and trolls will be using this excuse a lot in the next few days, but the fact is Romney never had a chance. Remember he was down big in Ohio and most battleground states even BEFORE Sandy. The proof is in how badly he got massacred.

BTW, the biggest losers in this election are:
Gallup, Rasmussen, Dick Morris…am I forgetting anyone else?

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump, GOP Establishment types.

Razgriez on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Wrong again. Obama care is an incremental step towards single payer. You can already see it working. Government mandates drive up the price of private insurance, and more and more employers will simply be unable to afford to offer their employers insurance. The CBO has estimated that 20 million Americans can look forward to being kicked off their employer-based insurance. But then the “individual” mandate kicks in, and individuals will be forced to sign up for and purchase insurance in one of the government-run exchanges. Most will wind up on a plan that looks like Medicaid. So, step-by-step, we’ll reach single payer – and the American people will experience a lot of pain in the process.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Where do you guys keep getting that the Dems are communists from? Not a one of them is calling for public ownership of the means of production, let alone an end to private property. They’re almost uniformly mixed-market corporatists, except for a few outliers like Bernie Sanders, who actually is a socialist, but technically isn’t even a Democrat to begin with.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Idiot! Obama started as a candidate of the New Party in Chicago. He was a Manchurian candidate of the DSA Chicago. Axelrod and the gangs are members of the hidden apparatchik of Communist Party of USA. Yes, CPUSA and Socialist Party still nominate their own candidate. But that’s just as PR strategy.

TheAlamos on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

See? Finally, someone who gets it! But ‘fascist’ is sort of a loaded term, so I tend to stick with corporatist, which is more descriptive in any case.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM

I like loaded terms.

Fascists, and other socialists like communists, must always believe in the state rather than in individuals. It’s in their nature.
“You didn’t build that [the state did]“, and whether that be a business or career or whatever, is pure unadulterated Benito Mussolini, just less erudite than the way Benito Mussolini put it as Obama has a much lower IQ than Mussolini did. So if Benito Mussolini was a fascist, and he was, so is Barack Obama.

The other Benito Mussolini: “Against individualism, the fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual [only] in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State — a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values — interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.”

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Thanks, Dire. The task ahead will need all of us. Hope you’ve got plenty of good ’70s-80s tunes laid in to keep your spirits up.

Right now I’m thinking Blue Oyster Cult, “Don’t Fear the Reaper.”

J.E. Dyer on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Since we are a country divided, I want us to stay divided and make it a fight. They say we are the party of NO. So I want the House to say no to everything!! Scorched earth,baby!!!
Let your congressmen and senators know this in the AM.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

No, they didn’t. Don’t you have any idea what Obamacare does? It forces you to purchase insurance from private insurance companies, to pay for care in private or non-profit hospitals and medical practices. The government forcing you to purchase a product from a for-profit company is the very definition of corporatism, and is entirely different from communism. The government stake in GM has been being gradually unwound for the past 3 years, although I’m sure they’ll be bailed out again – another example of corporatist policy. As to student loans, as I said, they’re mixed market corporatists: they believe in an extensive entitlement state co-existing with a tightly regulated but privately owned market economy.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

You need a shrick.

In the interim…… FO.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Remember this: 0bama owns it. He now owns the whole stinking mess, lock, stock and barrel.

All paths now lead inexorably to hyperinflation and collapse. At best, Mitt Romney might have held it off for a bit. But now, 0bama owns the whole d*mn thing.

Let’s hope it’s all over quickly, within the next four years. Let’s hope we have freedom and our Republic after we get through it.

ZenDraken on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM

I actually already addressed all of those points, so I refer you to my comment of 1:42 am. And, actually, I haven’t been living under a rock :)

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Allen West lost.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Are you serious??..:(

PS..Another bad sign of things to come..

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

I’m afraid so.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

You need a shrick.

In the interim…… FO.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

So believing that words have meaning means I need a shrink? 0_o

I know I can’t expect everyone to be super-interested in political economy, but you obviously don’t have a firm grasp on what “communist” means.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Dunno about most of y’all out yonder ( and we’ll certainly take ANY victories out there) but, I’m weeping atm.
Just watched my small-business-owner hubby crawl into bed with one big broken spirit, and it’s tearing me to pieces.
Thanks alot, you freaking ‘progressive’ voters out yonder !!!
Y’all have no idea the repercussions, that even YOU are about to suffer !
Sniff.

pambi on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Just for your information, there is a whole blog especially dedicated to outline the communist/socialist links within the Democratic Party. It starts with Obama.

Link? Google is your friend.

Clue? DISCOVER THE NETWORK.

TheAlamos on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Don’t get your hopes up, if John Boehner get’s leadership position again, expect more compromises and cave ins to the Democrats.

Razgriez on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Sadness. We were always in God’s hands, but this outcome makes it crystal clear that that is our only hope.
J.E. Dyer on November 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Yeah, I think God has already made his opinions felt on the matter of America. Did we really think his patience would last forever? Or his mercy? Now comes a hard and bitter time of instruction.

squint on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

The thought just occurred to me that I am so glad we didn’t bring up any questions about Obama’s Natural Born status, or lack of same, as that would surly have cost us the election. It’s so good we listened to Allah and Ed and Levin and Coulter and our other betters and didn’t do that and blow it.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 AM

1. Can the Republican party ever win another election with 80% of minorities voting against it every time?

2. If not, then where do Conservatives go from here?

tkyang99 on November 7, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Romney is the most liberal Republican in Republican History.

He nearly won.

Any Conservative would have won. Do not buy the Establishment Republicans lies. They are all Chris Christie’s all to ready to campaign for the other side. Romney looked happy tonight. Obama just said he would call up Romney to work with him.

Romney made it clear he was happy with a second Obama term.

He is not and never really was a Republican. He is a Democrat Mass version where they control both parties.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 AM

4 more years, but really the rest of your life. Hope you can handle the rage.

tommyhawk on November 7, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Well if I can’t handle the rage, at least I have a gun cabinet full of firearms and lots and lots of ammo.

McCain Hater on November 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM

I know I can’t expect everyone to be super-interested in political economy, but you obviously don’t have a firm grasp on what “communist” means.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Actually, I do.

But I find you to be uninteresting and uniformed.

Piss off.

Cody1991 on November 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

I know I can’t expect everyone to be super-interested in political economy, but you obviously don’t have a firm grasp on what “communist” means.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Go to Communist International. It has evolved. Instead of religion-hating organization, they now advocate equality of “religion”, still love the poor, love the gay, love the women, and everything that the modern Democratic Party stands for nowadays.

Go, teach yourself. Oops. That’s against the norm. Pray to the Government of Obama that it will teach you of the basic communist ways, if you must.

TheAlamos on November 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Well, it’s been a fun time trying to crimp the firehose of crazed panic on here this evening, but I need to head to bed. Some of us will need to go into work tomorrow whilst the rest of you rugged fellows are “going Galt”.

Ite in pace!

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Allen West lost.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Well since we didn’t bring up all that “Birther” stuff and blow it for Romney, now that Romney is going to be the new President, he can appoint Allen West as SecDef.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Allen West lost.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Are you serious??..:(

PS..Another bad sign of things to come..

Dire Straits on November 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM
I’m afraid so.

kim roy on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

He was backstabbed by the GOP Establishment in Florida who made his district far more Democratic.

Remember the GOP Establishment always prefers the Democrat to a Tea Party Republican.

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

My guy won here and I am pleased.
But I am not here to gloat. I can only imagine how bad many of you feel.
This was all close enough where I might know exactly.
Wishing you all the best. I encourage and look forward to robust and healthy arguments against Obama and his policies for the next 4 years.
I appreciate the challenge to my supporting him.
And man am I tired.

verbaluce on November 7, 2012 at 12:59 AM

While your comment is gracious in comparison to the rest, I honestly don’t know what it is you think you’ve won. I don’t feel bad actually. When you’ve done what you can there is nothing to feel bad about. As I said before, nothing is different than it was a few hours ago. We have the House, you have the Senate and the White House. Things will get worse for us because of your Supreme Court picks, along with the failed policies of Obama. I will survive Obama. I will arrange my life and my finances differently than I have in the past. I will buy more ammunition just in case, and I will do what I can to help crash the system you love so much. That is the only real difference to me.

Night Owl on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

The thought just occurred to me that I am so glad we didn’t bring up any questions about Obama’s Natural Born status, or lack of same, as that would surly have cost us the election. It’s so good we listened to Allah and Ed and Levin and Coulter and our other betters and didn’t do that and blow it.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 1:55 AM

Historically, presidents get involved in scandal in their second term. Obama was lucky the media covered for his Fast and Furious and Benghazi-gate. There’s no telling how many “truths” about Obama will come out in his second term.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

so you are for corporatism? or do you not like obama/dems? Conservatives are against it (cronyism…state-run capitalism..and things like that:

This term is also used by some advocates of laissez-faire capitalism in reference to a private capitalist economy controlled by a state, often meaning a privately owned economy that is subject to statist economic planning. Some even use the term to refer to capitalist economies such that the state provides substantial public services and regulation of business activity. In the 1930s, Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini described Italian Fascism’s economic system of corporatism as “state socialism turned on its head”.[5] This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[6]

Friedrich Engels, in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, argues that state capitalism would be the final stage of capitalism consisting of ownership and management of large-scale production and communication by the bourgeois state.[4]

oh goody…sounds like fun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

r keller on November 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Steveangell on November 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

I’m really sad about that. Allen West is a great, natural leader.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Fiscal cliff coming and Obama will be out golfing. Harry Reid will run the country for the next four years.

Mormontheman on November 7, 2012 at 2:04 AM

your fellow citizens are not the enemy…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on November 7, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Please go look up what the word citizen actually means. You may not be my enemy, only because I am completely indifferent to you, but anyone who wants a continuation of the last four years is not anyone I would want to have anything to do with.

Night Owl on November 7, 2012 at 2:05 AM

Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump, GOP Establishment types.

Razgriez on November 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Actually, one of the bigger criticisms of Fox during the GOP primaries was that it was secretly to some degree anti-conservative and pro-Obama and played along with the MSM smear campaigns, saying, “It’s terrible what thery’re all saying — did you hear? They’re saying…”

The argument is that Hannity, O’Reilly and the rest will have a much bigger viewership with Obama in office rather than any conservative.

And I believe it.

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 AM

I’m really sad about that. Allen West is a great, natural leader.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 2:02 AM

I agree, I supported him from CA.

Tonight sucks, I don’t understand the country I live in anymore.

ccrosby on November 7, 2012 at 2:06 AM

r keller on November 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Of course I’m against corporatism. I supported one of the only two genuinely free market candidates in the primaries: Ron Paul. Corporatism is a terrible policy, but it more or less encompasses the agenda of the leadership of both parties. Make no mistake: Romney believed in a planned economy to nearly as great an extent as the president.

Now, as previously indicated, I’m off to bed!

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Here are three of the four headlines from the Green Room (the fourth is Romney’s concession):

AP NBC projects upset loss for Allen West in FL-18

AP Colorado legalizes marijuana; Update: So does Washington
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AP Maine voters legalize gay marriage

Now which of those screams “Gee, if we only had nominated a true conservative we would have won.”

The fact is we’re out of touch with much of the country. People say they’re voting on the economy, but by and large they are voting for “people like us,” or at least people they feel comfortable with. We have to be able to at least talk to some of these constituencies without scaring the wits out of them.

bobs1196 on November 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM

I just spent the evening doing volunteer work with youth. I weep for them tonight, and the vision of the country that they will be taught to accept as the “New Normal.”

But I do not feel sorry enough to give up. Tomorrow starts a new day. I will continue to fight for their future.

An Obama victory made my life harder, but who ever said life was supposed to be easy? Perhaps an Obama victory, while devastating for the present, is better for the future of a reborn America.

If Romney had won, the left would be saying that “You denied Obama a second term; he never had a chance; he had good policy, but not enough time to implement it; America is a racist country.”

Now, Obama has been granted a second term. He has another four years to face the mess that he himself created. I pity the Democrats for their “victory.” Now they have to face some really tough choices, and they lack sufficient tools to deal with any of them.

What will the national debt be in 2016 when spending continues to skyrocket and revenues dry up? Twenty-Five Trillion? Who will make a prediction?

When do they pass a budget? Does anybody think it will be 2013? Will that only raise questions as to why there have been no budgets in the past? Does Obama attempt to run a full second term without any passed budgets at all?

What does Obama do with a resurgent Al Qaida? Submit? Agree to peace? Become a war-monger?

What does Obama do when Iran nukes Israel, or vice versa? Nothing?

What does Obama do when there is an energy crisis, and we can’t drive our cars with wind?

What does Obama do when the American People finally realize that the media is, and always has been, lying to them? What does the media do?

At some point, the Democrats will have to face all these crises, because they built them all – brick by brick, lie by lie, error by error.

I will let the Democrats sleep in the bed they made. I predict it will be “bumpy.”

As for me? I have to try to see if my business still makes sense. With the stagnant economy, and a huge douse of water poured on any possible spark of ignition, I have to decide how many (and which) of my people to let go. I have to figure out what to do with my underwater home. I have to figure out how I will provide for my family. I will be far too busy with my own problems to shed a tear as the Democrats struggle to solve theirs.

I will not say I wish them luck. All that I will say is that I wish them to fail swiftly and totally, so that the rebirth of Freedom in America can begin anew, and as soon as possible.

The model that they built is inoperable. It must fail. So let it prove that to all, beyond any doubt, so that we can begin to seek rational solutions.

At this point, it is simply my job to survive so that I can participate when that day arrives. A Romney victory would have made my life easier. An Obama victory makes my survival more important.

Let us survive together, my friends, so that we can lead the way once we get to the other side.

JohnD13 on November 7, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Now which of those screams “Gee, if we only had nominated a true conservative we would have won.”

bobs1196 on November 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM

All the first two definitely do. Allen West was no “true conservative”, but merely another pro-war foreign policy progressive. And true conservatives believe in self-ownership and oppose the nanny state, so drug legalization is a naturally conservative position.

Inkblots on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 AM

So, will it be Hillary or Cuomo in 2016? They will need a colored person on the ticket. The Mayor of LA perhaps? Can’t think of any clean, articulate black guys out there at the moment. Corey Booker maybe? Although he is going to beat Chris Crispycreme’s fat ass and be Jersey’s new governor.

Haha. I just saw deputy dog Harry Reid saying he was reaching out to republicans finger things done. Stick it,pal! I want republicans to dig in their heels on everything. Do not bail those bastards out!

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 AM

Remember this: 0bama owns it. He now owns the whole stinking mess, lock, stock and barrel.

ZenDraken on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

As does everyone who voted for his this time around.

VorDaj on November 7, 2012 at 2:12 AM

And also, on the other hand, I always considered Romney to be a soft conservative at best. I was hoping for a four year stay of execution with his administration. But when I saw him introduced by Bill Clinton to the CFR, I figured he was just Obama-light.

I doubted he would end QE3. I doubted he’d fight illegal immigration, I doubted he’d reinstitute the missile shield in eastern Europe.

I hoped he would do these things, but then again he didn’t exactly run on them did he?

So now we get the full monty. We get it Faster & Furiouser.

flicker on November 7, 2012 at 2:15 AM

The Ron Paul people I know are telling that the Paulnuts sat this one out and did not vote for Romney. Nice going.

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Rockshine on November 7, 2012 at 2:11 AM

Want an awesome conspiracy theory for 2016? How about Biden as Prez, with Obama as Veep, and Biden (for one reason or another) has to step down?

Left Coast Right Mind on November 7, 2012 at 2:16 AM

What a LOVELY CAPITULATION Speech Romney gave. He must have practiced that for weeks!

Oh well. At least the Romney bench warmers got exactly what they deserved.

DannoJyd on November 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Well, he was greatly relieved. and could therefore be very gracious in his loss.

No more pretending he was conservative.
No more pretending that he could fix things.
No more responsibilities beyond caring for his family.

If I had a few hundred million to fall back on, and the right sort of contacts, I reckon I’d be gracious and relieved at tonight’s results too.

LegendHasIt on November 7, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Remember this: 0bama owns it. He now owns the whole stinking mess, lock, stock and barrel.

All paths now lead inexorably to hyperinflation and collapse. At best, Mitt Romney might have held it off for a bit. But now, 0bama owns the whole d*mn thing.

Let’s hope it’s all over quickly, within the next four years. Let’s hope we have freedom and our Republic after we get through it.

ZenDraken on November 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

I think that Obama, the MSM, and their useful idiots will always find a way to blame others. It’ll still be about Bush, Romney, the Tea Party, Catholics et al.

Nothing will ever be their fault.

Kyle_Reese on November 7, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I’m obtuse and fatalistic so people think I’m smart!

tommyhawk on November 7, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Now that is funny. I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of posters think yer a total dumb ass, well maybe a smart ass. I’m betting on total dumb ass.

McCain Hater on November 7, 2012 at 2:19 AM

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