I guess we need to talk about that “Walking Dead” episode last night

posted at 10:24 pm on November 5, 2012 by Allahpundit

People have been asking for a TWD thread and we need a palate cleanser before 49 percent of the population has a nervous breakdown tomorrow, so here you go. Major spoilers below. Turn back now if you don’t want to know what happened.

Two things. First, why did Oscar, the big convict, shoot the little convict instead of shooting Rick? I know, I know, Rick spared his life after he tomahawked the convict gang leader in the forehead a few episodes ago, but even if you think Oscar would reciprocate in gratitude, why’d he shoot the little guy? Didn’t they spend 10 months together holed up in the cafeteria while zombies overran the prison? That must have built a certain esprit de corps. And yet, given the chance to (a) shoot Rick in the face or (b) take Rick prisoner and establish himself as the new leader, Oscar opts for (c) shooting his friend, the little guy, for no apparent reason and then handing the gun back to Rick. Did I miss a plot point somewhere that would explain that? Did Oscar suffer some sort of brain damage in hand to hand combat with the undead? Rule one of life during the zombie apocalypse: Never, ever, ever surrender your weapon.

Two: I agree with everyone else in America that the show’s much better this season than last season but I still don’t care about any of the characters. The only death that’s been even a little affecting was Shane’s, and that’s because he was the only thing happening onscreen for most of season two. Watching Carl euthanize his mom and then have his dad fall to pieces in front of him should have been gut-wrenching but all of the main players are too two-dimensional. Rick isn’t a person, he’s a lab rat in a dramatic experiment designed to see how a good man might behave when civil society collapses around him. Carl is basically just Rick at an earlier stage of development so that we can compare the effect of zombie stresses on a child in his formative years to those of an adult. If you’ve read “Lord of the Flies” or watched a few particularly didactic episodes of “The Twilight Zone,” you’re well acquainted with fragility-of-civilization drama. To make it three-dimensional, you need to be scrupulous about adding small, human details to your characters; the show used to do that (remember the sick man in season one who asked to be abandoned by a tree so he could die in serenity?) but it doesn’t do it as much anymore. It’s smart and bold and admirably merciless of the writers to cull their main characters, but there’s never any punch when they do it beyond, “Wow, I didn’t think they’d dump him/her so soon.” Is anyone going to miss Lori? Did anyone feel anything from Carl last night? If not, then we have a problem.

Oh, in case you’re wondering because of the slight ambiguity when Carl pulled the trigger: Yes, it looks like he really did finish Lori off.


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You are way over analyzing. It was simply the honorable decision to kill the other convict.

michaelthomas on November 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Why is it honorable then?

Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Axel (the white convict) already explained that Tomas and Andrew (the small convict who Oscar shoots) used to torment the other convicts in the cell block, and that he and Oscar had no loyalty to them, when he’s trying to convince Rick to let them join the group. That why Oscar shot Andrew.

On a side note. There seems to be a pattern developing. Anytime one of the main characters has a “come on, we are better than that” moment, within 30 minutes they are being chomped down on by zombies.

First there was Dale when he lectured the group about killing the young guy being held in the barn. Now T-dog after complaining about the group rejecting the two convicts, and potentially condemning them to death outside of the prison.

Dano48 on November 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Why is it honorable then?

Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Ummmm…..because he a)went’ back on his word, his verbal contract and without telling the other convicts, b) he put everyone’s life in danger

michaelthomas on November 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Still no chainsaws.

This show needs Bruce Campbell.

J.H. on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

As to Oscar…in addition to the “trying to win his wat intot he group” angle…didn’t Daryl have him in the crossbow’s sites too (if Oscar shot Rick, Daryl would have shot Oscar)?

krome on November 6, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Still no chainsaws.

This show needs Bruce Campbell.

J.H. on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

There was one scene where someone was fighting and trying to grab a chainsaw laying on the floor. Can’t remember any more details.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The other convict was not one of the “good men” talked about by the remaining convicts.
Also, he freed the zombies as an act of revenge.

He had no compunctions about letting Oscar or the “pharmaceuticals” guy get eaten by zombies.

Clearly, Rick and his party have some experience with zombies and survival, so the logical choice is to side with them.

Which brings up another question…how did the other convict all of a sudden become an expert in zombie herding?
Oh, well. Not everything in the show makes sense.

Remember the crucifix in the southern baptist church?
Or the open field and moonlit night during which Dale was assaulted unawares.

hatespam on November 6, 2012 at 3:58 PM

freedomtrail on November 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM
UncleFodder on November 5, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Rode Werk on November 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM
RedNewEnglander on November 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM
hadsil on November 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Hog Wild on November 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM
nextgen_repub on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 AM
PattyJ on November 6, 2012 at 1:15 AM
Kay_L on November 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM
Kohath on November 6, 2012 at 3:23 AM
Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM
dominigan on November 6, 2012 at 7:47 AM
darkmetal on November 6, 2012 at 8:43 AM
Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Dano48 on November 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM
krome on November 6, 2012 at 12:14 PM

You all said it before me. Oscar’s actions make sense.
Since it was so obvious to all of us, I’m thinking we just got trolled by AP.

Phoenix7 on November 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Agreed. I’m trying suspend disbelief here.
Please don’t make it any harder on me.

Dukeboy01 on November 5, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Yeah, I read the interview AP linked.
The actress was going on about how Lori complemented rick by giving him a conscience and now he will have to find that within himself.
I think the whole point is that he won’t.

Per AP, we will get to see “how a good man might behave when civil society collapses around him.”

Neuro-conservative on November 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM
t8stlikchkn on November 6, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Agreed.
He and his crew were too scared and helpless to venture outside for over a year.
Then all of a sudden he is the Zombie Whisperer, herding zombies aplenty.
How the heck did he survive anyway?
I call shenanigans.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Good point.
Rick did say at the end of last season that it’s not a democracy anymore.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM

Yeah, he told them during the “not a democracy anymore” speech.

Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

socalcon on November 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM

It’s on netflix and amazon videon on demand.

hatespam on November 6, 2012 at 8:04 PM

How could Lori give anyone a “conscience” when she was devoid of one herself? Remember in the flashbacks, Shane did try to save Rick. When Rick catches up with the group, Lori treats him like crap. Then she hints that it may be Shane’s baby, knowing it would hurt Shane even more and set him against Rick.

Blake on November 7, 2012 at 7:25 AM

We finally got a Walking Dead thread?? I didn’t find out until now.

AP said,

“Didn’t they spend 10 months together holed up in the cafeteria while zombies overran the prison? That must have built a certain esprit de corps. And yet, given the chance to (a) shoot Rick in the face or (b) take Rick prisoner and establish himself as the new leader, Oscar opts for (c) shooting his friend, the little guy, for no apparent reason and then handing the gun back to Rick”

Those two prisoner guys were out-numbered (Rick has more people in his group – some were not in the room at that moment, but had the two prisoners walked out they would have had to deal with Glenn, Maggie, Carl with a gun, Carol, T Dog – unless all those people were under attack at that moment, I don’t remember).

In addition, if you re watch the scene, you will see Daryl Dixon off to the side, in the background holding weapons ready to charge Oscar.

As for Lori. She was an annoying character at times, but unlike 95% of other Walking Dead fans, I did not want to see her die. So I was moved by her death. I thought it was sad.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I find it ironic that folk go through all the trouble of clicking a link, logging in, typing up, and posting their opinion… which turns out to be nothing but an expression of indifference.

Johnny 100 Pesos on November 5, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I agree.

Then there’s
1. the people who play obtuse on purpose, making comments such as, “This is a TV show? Or what is it?”

or,

2. “There are more important things to discuss like an election why a TV show thread”

As for #2, there have been billions of threads on Hot Air about Romney and Obama for weeks now, and in the last few days. One or two pop culture or silly threads don’t hurt anything.

Thank you to AP for making a Walking Dead thread!

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Why are they clinging to their guns, but not their religion?

faraway on November 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

T-Dog mentioned something about God before he got killed, like, “I know God has plans for me,” or, “God will look out for me” (or some similar comment).

In season 2, Hershel was shown in a few episodes reading his Bible, or mentioning Jesus Christ to Rick.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM

For all the people complaining about a black character (Tdog) getting killed off. A lot of white people have been killed off on the show, too.

But there have been black actors on the show since about the beginning. One of the first people Rick Grimes meets in the apocalypse is a black guy (who has a son) who rescues him and takes him into his home.

Michonne was just introduced at the very end of season 2, and she is a black lady and is meant to be a major character (she was in the comics, is my understanding).

Andrew and Oscar are black guys, and they were in the last episode.

There was a black lady who opted to kill herself with the white doctor in the Atlanta CDC. She was in a few episodes before that episode.

So it’s not like Walking Dead is all-white. They do have some black people, and there’s been some Asian people, including Glenn, and the one Asian guy who works for the Governor.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 9:44 PM

The kids, both of them, said no way any normal kid would act like that. They would be GLUED to the group for safety.

I agree. I haven’t been a kid in years, but if a zombie apocalypse happened, you had better believe I would not have left the side of any adult with a shot gun, revolver, katana, or cross bow.

To the guy who asked if the whole group knows Rick killed Shane, the answer is yes.

At the end of season two, around the camp fire, Rick blurts out to the entire group (most of whom have been harassing him, saying he’s a poor leader), “I killed my best friend (Shane) for you people! You saw how he was, dogging me at every step.”

So the whole group knew about that, not just Lori.

I didn’t really like the Shane character, as a person. He was interesting as character for a tv show, but unlikable as a person, since he was a violent psycho who was willing to kill his best friend (Rick).

I do question Rick a little more now. At this point he is still one of my favorite characters, but I’m disappointed to see him turn more ruthless and violent. The only positive I see from that is that he might have to be very ruthless to go up against the violent, remorseless governor.

Rick has turned a little more vicious as the show has gone on, shooting those two guys in the bar dead, locking that Andrew guy out in the prison courtyard with the zombies (which he knew might be a death sentence), and he was going to shoot Randall (teen age kid) in the head in the barn in season 2.

Now, what didn’t make sense was Lori automatically dying from a C-section. Seriously? Did they not have those before modern medicine? Was there no reason to believe she could make it?

Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM

someone above explained it much better than I could. Lori had other medical conditions going on, and had bled out a lot before the c section.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Still no chainsaws.

This show needs Bruce Campbell.

J.H. on November 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

But they do have a katana, cross bow, and Merle has the hook thing on his hand with a knife attached. But a chain saw would be a nice addition

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM

As to Oscar…in addition to the “trying to win his wat intot he group” angle…didn’t Daryl have him in the crossbow’s sites too (if Oscar shot Rick, Daryl would have shot Oscar)?

krome on November 6, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Yes. Daryl either had the cross bow on him or some knives coming, I don’t remember which.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Remember the crucifix in the southern baptist church?
Or the open field and moonlit night during which Dale was assaulted unawares.

hatespam on November 6, 2012 at 3:58 PM

The moon-lit field didn’t bother me, but the crucifix in a Southern Baptist church was a mistake.

Unless Roman Catholic zombies rambled in an erected it during the apocalypse.

TigerPaw on November 9, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Is anyone going to miss Lori? … If not, then we have a problem.

If the show is as two-dimensional as you suggest then it is clear that we are not necessarily expected to miss Lori. If they wanted us to like her they wouldn’t have made her such a poor excuse for a mother. She almost entirely ignores her boy except to scold him. Lori goes beyond trying to just ignore the apocalypse to manipulatively setting best friends against each other to make herself the center of attention and live in a fabricated drama rather than reality.

The most despicable about Lori, IMO, is that she absolutely did not care whether it was Rick or Shawn that was killed/murdered by their best friend, so long it happened. In fact, she seemed to express scornful disappointment that Rick survived and Shawn died. I’m not sure if the scorn was because Rick didn’t take initiative and murder Shawn, a suggestion that Lori was constantly whispering in his ear, or if it was because she was more attracted to Shawn and Rick was the wrench in the works.

Personally, I’m pleased that she’s joined Dale in the place where annoying characters go when they die. I hope Andrea is next. Nobody else particularly annoys me besides The Governor but I’m sure Rick will take care of that later in the season.

WeekendAtBernankes on November 10, 2012 at 12:41 AM

I strongly suspect (based on a little bit of research on the comics) that Merle is going to want to settle some unresolved issues with Rick. Like the fact that one of them still has both his hands.

Cylor on November 10, 2012 at 4:51 AM

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