I guess we need to talk about that “Walking Dead” episode last night

posted at 10:24 pm on November 5, 2012 by Allahpundit

People have been asking for a TWD thread and we need a palate cleanser before 49 percent of the population has a nervous breakdown tomorrow, so here you go. Major spoilers below. Turn back now if you don’t want to know what happened.

Two things. First, why did Oscar, the big convict, shoot the little convict instead of shooting Rick? I know, I know, Rick spared his life after he tomahawked the convict gang leader in the forehead a few episodes ago, but even if you think Oscar would reciprocate in gratitude, why’d he shoot the little guy? Didn’t they spend 10 months together holed up in the cafeteria while zombies overran the prison? That must have built a certain esprit de corps. And yet, given the chance to (a) shoot Rick in the face or (b) take Rick prisoner and establish himself as the new leader, Oscar opts for (c) shooting his friend, the little guy, for no apparent reason and then handing the gun back to Rick. Did I miss a plot point somewhere that would explain that? Did Oscar suffer some sort of brain damage in hand to hand combat with the undead? Rule one of life during the zombie apocalypse: Never, ever, ever surrender your weapon.

Two: I agree with everyone else in America that the show’s much better this season than last season but I still don’t care about any of the characters. The only death that’s been even a little affecting was Shane’s, and that’s because he was the only thing happening onscreen for most of season two. Watching Carl euthanize his mom and then have his dad fall to pieces in front of him should have been gut-wrenching but all of the main players are too two-dimensional. Rick isn’t a person, he’s a lab rat in a dramatic experiment designed to see how a good man might behave when civil society collapses around him. Carl is basically just Rick at an earlier stage of development so that we can compare the effect of zombie stresses on a child in his formative years to those of an adult. If you’ve read “Lord of the Flies” or watched a few particularly didactic episodes of “The Twilight Zone,” you’re well acquainted with fragility-of-civilization drama. To make it three-dimensional, you need to be scrupulous about adding small, human details to your characters; the show used to do that (remember the sick man in season one who asked to be abandoned by a tree so he could die in serenity?) but it doesn’t do it as much anymore. It’s smart and bold and admirably merciless of the writers to cull their main characters, but there’s never any punch when they do it beyond, “Wow, I didn’t think they’d dump him/her so soon.” Is anyone going to miss Lori? Did anyone feel anything from Carl last night? If not, then we have a problem.

Oh, in case you’re wondering because of the slight ambiguity when Carl pulled the trigger: Yes, it looks like he really did finish Lori off.


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Why are they clinging to their guns, but not their religion?

faraway on November 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Hard to kill a zombie with a bible.

HumpBot Salvation on November 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I didn’t get why Lori died immediately during the c-section, but Hershel survived getting his foot hacked off.

Anyway, I was expecting that baby to chomp down on the hot girl’s arm during/after delivery, lol.

xblade on November 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Duh, it’s because they needed another main Black character after the other dude was eaten by zombies:)

Clink on November 5, 2012 at 10:55 PM

THEY KILLED OFF 67% OF THE BLACK MEN LAST NIGHT! RACISM!

El_Terrible on November 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

So when they shoot or axe a live guy, does he “turn” and they have to shoot him again? Cause theoretically, the little guy, the convict gang leader, and Lori should all be walkers now. I’m thinking a bullet or axe to the brain stops the turning? Is there a Walker Wiki page anywhere?

Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

qotd lurkers….

ted c on November 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My husband watches it and I sit in another room and listen to the munch munch AAAAGH! burp. of the zombies chomping on people. Meh. makes him happy.

JoAnn1965 on November 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I didn’t get why Lori died immediately during the c-section, but Hershel survived getting his foot hacked off.

I think I remember Maggie uttering something about cutting vein…having no med experience, Lori was doomed.

/OK now I really feel like a dork, but I have major election stress, a sick kid, and an underwater mortgage…my 2 favorite things in life right now, HA and Walking Dead, have merged. I’m indulging.

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Walking Dead equals voter fraud… or is it suppression?

I voted last week. Why is anyone giving people grief about a relaxing thread? Kiss my shiny heiney.

tuffy on November 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

So when they shoot or axe a live guy, does he “turn” and they have to shoot him again? Cause theoretically, the little guy, the convict gang leader, and Lori should all be walkers now. I’m thinking a bullet or axe to the brain stops the turning? Is there a Walker Wiki page anywhere?

Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Carl shot Lori in the head. The convict leader got a machete to the brain. All dead people come back as walkers.

El_Terrible on November 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM

My wife wept at the end.

Johnny 100 Pesos on November 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Carl shot Lori in the head. The convict leader got a machete to the brain. All dead people come back as walkers.

El_Terrible on November 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Everyone’s infected. Now you know.

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Also STREAMING…………..

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canopfor on November 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Yeah, well, I voted already, and I want to unwind.

john1schn on November 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I did too. This thread is a perfect break from the insanity around us.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Yeah, Allah, and you used to talk about Apple products all of the time:
What happened to that? Time for you to tell us a story maybe…

Sherman1864 on November 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Lori had a c-section with Carl due to hemorrhaging. Maggie mentioned a lot of blood before cutting. Lori knew she was toast prior to the knifing.

tuffy on November 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Also STREAMING…………..

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canopfor on November 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Speaking of the Walking Dead…

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I don’t know why you’re embarrassed. I’m a Walking Dead dork and freely admit it.

I had to say that in case my wife comes across this thread. :-) She has zero understanding of my enjoyment of the show. I tried to explain it to her, but it’s like trying to explain the Three Stooges. You either get it, or you don’t.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I don’t have a problem with the guy not shooting Rick for a couple of reasons.

1. Maybe he saw Kid Rock with the knife out of the corner of his eye, ready go kill him if he shot Rick.

2. He shoots Rick, then it’s him, the wimpy white guy and that other convict against everyone else and everyone else has more guns.

He chose wisely.

And, man – poor T-Dog doesn’t get a mention, even in death.

*pours out a 40 for him*

RedNewEnglander on November 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

No, seriously, tell us how you really feel about the show.

Rick and his group freed the prison of walkers. Stupid Guy let’s them in. Rick may not be Oscar’s friend, but he let him live. He gave Oscar a chance. Oscar should follow Stupid?

In every zombie movie there’s always a Jerk, like Shane and Merle, and Stupid Guy. Sometimes they’re the same person (The father in Night of the Living Dead). Kill them first. You’ll live longer.

hadsil on November 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

There are few shows I really get to watch (other than CFB). Walking Dead, Homeland and damn near any science fiction I can find.

I love my DVR.
I love my DirecTV.

john1schn on November 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

For me the show has gone off the rails. But could come back. In the apocalypses where there are at most a few million people left in North America and at most only a billion left on the planet you don’t kill healthy humans who have serviced the last 10 months just because you cross their path. They glossed over how the walkers where able to survive in the cold of winter. Does it not get snow by Atlanta and well below freezing. Did some freeze solid and then when it warmed up they came back to walk.

Oh and the 50 shot revolver and 50 shot, shotgun. For all the bullets they have used they should have had a shot of the arsenal they have in stock, or the armory they draw from.

I would hope that they find someone who as solved it medically, what has happened. It was a experiment on extending life and immorality. But the higher brain died the animal brain took over and you walk in instinct to eat. As long as the higher brain did not die of the 1000 ways to die you could live forever. This is why the they have not decomposed at a normal pace to be unable to walk. Decomposition has slowed due to a change in chemical makeup and the walkers live on instinct and need very little food for it. As long as the brain cavity keeps pressure one is walking. There are no walkers that are missing half their head.

They take a bite or scratch as that is how you get infected but if they stopped the beading, one dies not of an infection from the walkers but normal infection that one can get when a wound is not treated and one gets septic shock. They did not have to cut his leg off just stop the beading and make sure he did not get infected. Lets hope they work that out.

tjexcite on November 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

All kidding aside, I was howling when she died.

Why?

Because a 14yr old friend of my son (who is sixteen) loves the show but HATES Lori and her son. He was on some fan site just days earlier posting with the actor who plays Rick. Rick asked what would be a good idea for the show. My son’s friend said, “Kill off Lori and that no listening, always getting into trouble Carl.”

He didn’t like Lori because of her self serving manipulation of Rick and Shane so the stronger one would survive (she was hoping Shane) in order to take care of her. Pretty cold hearted b**ch moment.

Then Carl kept getting into trouble, wandering off like there was no threat and putting people in jeopardy. The kids, both of them, said no way any normal kid would act like that. They would be GLUED to the group for safety.

Carl was always whining, crying, or pouting. Hey numbnuts, we are waist deep in dead zombies trying to eat us. Stop your incessant dumbas**dness.

On the blog there was a very diplomatic “That’s an interesting idea” reply. Little did my son’s friend know his wish had already come true.

So when Lori died, my son and I just broke out laughing.

And another lesson is learned. If you want someone dead, kill them so you are sure, don’t leave it to the fates.

Stupid show plot lines sometimes. Which brings us to the “governor” and blondie, but that’s for another day.

archer52 on November 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Two things. First, why did Oscar, the big convict, shoot the little convict instead of shooting Rick?

Easy. Rick is a proven survivor and little convict wanted to go back to the storeroom until to food runs out. Some future.

Not that hard to figure out. Run with someone who obviously has a clue how to survive, or run with someone who wants you to hide in a pantry with them.

Not a difficult choice. Those zombies could have killed Oscar too. Who wants someone so reckless around them in a zombie apocolypse?

“Hooray for me and screw you” works both ways.

Hog Wild on November 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I had to say that in case my wife comes across this thread. :-) She has zero understanding of my enjoyment of the show. I tried to explain it to her, but it’s like trying to explain the Three Stooges. You either get it, or you don’t.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

My husband watches with me, but won’t watch it on his own if I’m away :) Same with football. My father in law thinks I rule!

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I love my DVR.

Yeah, I barely watch any T.V. but what I do watch, I use the DVR pretty much exclusively.

That, along with G.P.S. are my favorite pieces of modern technology. Just awesome.

RedNewEnglander on November 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I think I remember Maggie uttering something about cutting vein…having no med experience, Lori was doomed.

Jackalope

Gotcha. I missed that part.

Sometimes they’re the same person (The father in Night of the Living Dead). Kill them first. You’ll live longer.

hadsil

Yeah, that guy was a TOTAL ass. The black guy shoulda opened a can of whoop ass on him and fed him to the zombies.

xblade on November 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

There was a viewer poll (I know, ANOTHER poll) but it asked who would you want to be your leader in the Zom-Poc. Rick won overwhelmingly. I know the Gov was trying to keep things together and maybe gets a pass for his fish tanks, but I’d stick with Rick any day of the week.

Yeah, but look at the results. Rick has only a third of his people left and they are hanging on by a thread. The governor has a town and they are safe as long as they don’t get on his bad side. That said, I’m certain I would choose Rick as well, but I don’t think I would trust his judgement as to what’s safe in the ZA world. Too much “school of hard knocks” learning with him. The governor seems to leave less to chance.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Rick rules. Everyone hates on him but he is the only one standing up to the plate.

Great season so far!

blatantblue on November 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Yeah, but look at the results. Rick has only a third of his people left and they are hanging on by a thread. The governor has a town and they are safe as long as they don’t get on his bad side. That said, I’m certain I would choose Rick as well, but I don’t think I would trust his judgement as to what’s safe in the ZA world. Too much “school of hard knocks” learning with him. The governor seems to leave less to chance.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

True, but we also have to look from where Rick is coming from. Given that they’ve been out, and exposed for nearly the entire time, it’s amazing that they’ve survived as long as they have. Besides, if they write the show a little differently, Rick could be running that town pretty quick.

john1schn on November 5, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I would choose neither Rick, nor the Governor.

I would be living on an island… on a lake… near a WalMart… with a couple of boats.

faraway on November 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I just checked my list…
You are on it..
The list of HotArians that want to talk about the future of this Country…
And not about Walking Liberals…
Electrongod on November 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Thank God you’re on here to monitor who the true patriots are.

rjl1999 on November 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Rick will Earn his way to a relatively peaceful settlement like Woorburry…or the Gov could just spread some of the wealth around. I think when it comes down to it, you have to earn things in this world.

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Does anyone else find themselves watching shows like this and trying to figure out if the character is Republican or Democrat? Obviously doesn’t matter after the ZA, but it would help explain the world view of a character and how they approach problems.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:25 PM

And not about Walking Liberals…
Electrongod on November 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

The smart ones can multi-task. We’ll pass out orders later :)

faraway on November 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

It is a great season so far.

Rick has finally stopped taking shite from everyone.

Carl turned from the little kid who needed a bell on him to a zombie killing ladies man. See how he’s been working on Herschel’s youngest?

Lori is finally gone, though in a different way than the comic. It seems they’re heading back into deviating from the original storyline.

Last night was a pretty intense episode.

catmman on November 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Does anyone else find themselves watching shows like this and trying to figure out if the character is Republican or Democrat? Obviously doesn’t matter after the ZA, but it would help explain the world view of a character and how they approach problems.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Very much so. Can’t help myself. I was not crying over Dale’s death. Lori never did anything for me be bring stability to rick and Carl. Daryl is my obvious favorite character, and he’s no lefty.

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Dale was definitely a Democrat. They should have had a faded Kerry ’04 sticker on Dale’s RV just to remove all doubt. Andrea and Carol are libs too, but not attracted to beta lib males.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:38 PM

this show is still on tv

IR-MN on November 5, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I have hopes that Andrea is turning into one of us, but those hopes are fading…like this thread.

Jackalope on November 5, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Andrea and Carol are libs too, but not attracted to beta lib males.

mpthompson on November 5, 2012 at 11:38 PM

There was an episode last season where Dale was talking to Andrea – the one where they were going to execute the guy they captured after they had the shootout in the bar.

Dale was trying to change minds about what was going to happen and he said Andrea used to be a “civil rights attorney”.

So yeah, a forgone conclusion she’s a libtard.

catmman on November 5, 2012 at 11:55 PM

In the comic Laurie and the baby get shot by the governor

Conservative4ev on November 5, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Actually blasted from behind by a woman storming the prison with the governor, who is so tormented that her blast rips through Lori and the baby she is fleeing with, that she turns on the governor and caps him. Which the show won’t follow, because the writers are doing an awesome job of mixing up their script. Kudos AMC! What an episode. Wow!

Ozprey on November 5, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Yeah, he obviously would rather be in with Ricks camp than with his fellow convict. Looking at the long game there.

And look out Carl…daddy’s single so it’s only a matter of time before he moves in on your crush. Oh and thank God, bye Lori, we shall miss your wet-blanketness.

nextgen_repub on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Exit question: After the Zombie Apocalypse, do my kids still owe the $16 trillion deficit?

faraway on November 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Pretty sure that gets cancelled.

Besides, anybody comes to collect your “share”…just shout “Zombie!” and shoot’em.

Solaratov on November 6, 2012 at 12:01 AM

I stopped watching this show when I started wishing the zombies would just swarm and eat the entire cast of idiot characters.

squint on November 6, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I stopped watching this show when I started wishing the zombies would just swarm and eat the entire cast of idiot characters.

Well, the cast is nearly gone now and you’re missing it all.

mpthompson on November 6, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I did like Dale. I know he was an ilLiberal, but I did like him. Until he said the zombie apocalypse was just nature’s way of correcting itself. We evil humans deserve this. I was so happy he got eaten at the end of the episode.

hadsil on November 6, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Not to be a complete stick in the mud, but given ratings of between 5 and 10 million per episode, could you maybe explain to the other 290 million of us who’ve never seen it why we should?

ctiberius on November 6, 2012 at 12:50 AM

I think Oscar killed the other convict because he realized at that moment he could never survive without Rick, so he pledged his allegiance to him and got rid of the troublemaker.

Kind of like corporate office politics writ large!

PattyJ on November 6, 2012 at 1:15 AM

I don’t care if Lori’s death deviates from the comic… I’m just glad the character is dead.

Wendya on November 6, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Tune up the hump-bot…

right2bright on November 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM

The reason he killed the little guy instead of Rick was because he spent all those months holed up with him. When they were holed up, the big bad guy that was killed off a few episodes ago was the bully who kept everyone in line.

He knew that the little guy was nuts and would be a problem going forward.

Quite possibly he also respected Rick’s decision to be so hardline about letting new people into the group.

Kay_L on November 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM

It’s a terrible show. And the best thing on TV.

All you need to know.

The Resolute Desk on November 6, 2012 at 2:24 AM

In other TV drama…Doug gets himself into quite a bind and has to get himself out before Carrie finds out….on the next rerun of King of Queens!

Hat Trick on November 6, 2012 at 2:58 AM

As a fan of the series, I was surprised by the cameo by Joe Biden–he was third one from the left in the Governor’s room with all the heads. Or wait, was that Harry Reid? Nah, they only could find a spare “W” head and used it.

BuckEyeBob on November 6, 2012 at 3:03 AM

Oscar wanted to live more than he wanted to be loyal to the genius who set off the alarm. He gave the gun back because he needed to establish trust. He saw his chance to have a future, and he took it.

Likable characters: Glen, Maggie, Carl, Hershel. But you’re right, they’ve been doing a poor job making the characters important to the audience. The baby will probably help.

Kohath on November 6, 2012 at 3:23 AM

I was REALLY, REALLY hoping for a Zombie Baby. Gumming away at people trying to eat them without any teeth.

Major_Skidmark on November 6, 2012 at 3:44 AM

I just started watching this series on Netflix from the beginning. I really loved season but season two (which I call “lost in the woods”) it has really gone downhill to the point of boredom. I don’t know if I’ll continue.

tommyboy on November 6, 2012 at 4:38 AM

Who the hell cares?
Terrye on November 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I guess you do since you went to the trouble of commenting.

The ones who don’t care haven’t commented, correct?

Sherman1864 on November 6, 2012 at 4:42 AM

How did I miss this thread?

Anyway, my only shock was that it happened so early in the season since it is part of the plot in the books. Big convict killed little convict because he knew that he had a better chance of surviving with Rick and because he didn’t like little convict. I do resent that they killed off T-Dogg. Oh, and did you notice how Carl is sweet on the blond?

I still miss Shane and would have loved to have seen a Shane vs. Gov episode. Oddly, no one in the group mentions him. Did Rick tell them that he killed Shane? Or did he only tell Lori? Can’t remember. Maybe the group realizes it is a bad subject. I liked him.

As to Carl, I thought his mother was already dead before he shot her? So, it’s not exactly euthanasia. Frankly, I wanted to see the baby die in utereo, become zombified, and eat its way out. Nom Nom Nom

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM

The little black dude wasn’t Oscar’s friend. On lori’s death it’s about time. I really disliked her character. T dog was alright but they never really developed his character.

jpmn on November 6, 2012 at 6:18 AM

Wait…we still don’t know what happened to Carol. Hope she survives.

All this has happened in less than a year and a half.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:19 AM

I didn’t get why Lori died immediately during the c-section, but Hershel survived getting his foot hacked off.

xblade on November 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Remember all the blood? Lori was already bleeding to death prior to the c-section. She was definitely going to die. If they had waited to do the c-section, the baby would have died, too.

Placental abruption

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:40 AM

I love the show. I don’t dissect it and try to figure out the purpose of each character, to me it is just pure entertainment. But I tell you what, in my next life I so want to be that black chick with the sword, she is awesome. :)

nwpammy on November 6, 2012 at 6:47 AM

So, how long before Carl and Beth start knocking boots?

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:49 AM

I must say that the little convict was very resourceful in luring the zombies back into the prison. Not sure how the rocket scientist thought he was going to get them all out later, though.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Ok AP,

Hypothetically, if one might have gotten ‘infected’ reading this thread, where might one find WD?

socalcon on November 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM

Books? What are those?

socalcon on November 6, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Oscar chose wisely. Remember from a couple episodes ago when Rick had the gun to Oscar’s head, Oscar said he wasn’t going to beg for his life, “do what you gotta do”. Rick let him live. The little convict was begging for his life and talking too much in the process. Good choice, who would want to listen to that little weasel for the days and months ahead.

Plus they killed off T-Dog.

moo on November 6, 2012 at 7:45 AM

First off AP, I think you are the only one. Almost every review I can find calls the scenes with Lori and Carl, then Rick’s reaction as gut-wrenching.

As to why Oscar shot Andrew, there were two reasons. One, Andrew was a bad con and had been lording over Oscar for 10 months while they were trapped in the prison. He didn’t want to go back to that. Two, he was very close to getting in with Rick’s group–he had just helped them turn off the generators. By killing Oscar and giving the gun back to Rick he’s hoping to prove his loyalty. He may be quiet but he knows life out on his own would be certain death and life with Rick’s group is his only chance.

freedomtrail on November 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Absolutely agreed. I thought of all people, AP would understand about the importance of picking a side… after all, that’s all we’ve been talking about for months now! Oscar understood that Andrew could never be trusted, and that with him there would be no real hope for the future… only struggle. With Rick, there was a chance for a future, supporting a strong leader who cared about his flock. Oscar made the decision that nearly every one of us is facing today.

I’m surprised you couldn’t see the parallels…

dominigan on November 6, 2012 at 7:47 AM

I must say that the little convict was very resourceful in luring the zombies back into the prison. Not sure how the rocket scientist thought he was going to get them all out later, though.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 6:53 AM

ok, so we saw little guy out in the woods outside the prison at the end of ep 3 i think it was, observing the skinny chick practicing c-sections on a walker, right? ok, so that means the skinny guy was presumably locked inside the prison for 8 months, like all the other prisoners. so presumably at some point after our group arrives, little guy escapes gets outside the prison. then decides he is going to smash his was BACK INTO the prison, AND in the process bait the walkers to invade it. for some reason that whole thought process, and series of events seems rediculous. what was he thinking? he lets the walkers in the clean up our group, then what? the prison again not secure and infested even more with walkers than it was before our group arrived. made no sense. i am glad that whiny lori is dead.

t8stlikchkn on November 6, 2012 at 7:47 AM

this show is still on tv

IR-MN on November 5, 2012 at 11:43 PM

But doesn’t yet have the run WWE Raw has had.

socalcon on November 6, 2012 at 7:49 AM

First off AP, I think you are the only one. Almost every review I can find calls the scenes with Lori and Carl, then Rick’s reaction as gut-wrenching.

No, he’s not the only one. Again, I knew Lori had to bite the bullet based on the novels, so I wasn’t shocked. But I also found the acting/writing not moving. Homeland, however, has had some great scenes between Damian Lewis and Clare Danes.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 7:53 AM

tjexcite on November 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Loved your discussion! I’ve also been thinking on the bite verses dying aspect of turning. They way I look at it… all of them are infected with a dormant version of the virus. But once they die and it becomes active, it is much more virulent. Thus a bite from a walker will cause someone to get immediately infected.

The bite to Herschel was a problem for the group. While they managed to slow the spread of active infection, none knew what the results would be if left on its own. Fact is… they had the tourniquet on his leg and could never take it off because then the active infection would resume its spreading. They had to remove his leg because it would only be a matter of time until it got gangrene.

The more I think on it… removing Herschel’s leg was the only way to save his life.

dominigan on November 6, 2012 at 7:58 AM

ok, so we saw little guy out in the woods outside the prison at the end of ep 3 i think it was, observing the skinny chick practicing c-sections on a walker, right? ok, so that means the skinny guy was presumably locked inside the prison for 8 months, like all the other prisoners. so presumably at some point after our group arrives, little guy escapes gets outside the prison. then decides he is going to smash his was BACK INTO the prison, AND in the process bait the walkers to invade it. for some reason that whole thought process, and series of events seems rediculous. what was he thinking? he lets the walkers in the clean up our group, then what? the prison again not secure and infested even more with walkers than it was before our group arrived. made no sense. i am glad that whiny lori is dead.

t8stlikchkn on November 6, 2012 at 7:47 AM

It was the guy who Rick chased out into the prison yard with the zombies and wouldn’t let back in. He never left the prison area. Obviously, he was able to avoid getting eaten and then plotted to kill Rick and the group. As to why he lured the walkers back inside — good way of getting rid of Rick et al. I guess he thought he could just keep hiding inside the prison with the walkers running around.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Who watches this crap? Oh….never mind.

Mr. Arrogant on November 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM

I miss Shane! Nothing could surpass Shane’s looks of utter disgust. lol!

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 8:02 AM

My first question was How are they going to feed that baby??
2nd Q: Oh why couldn’t they take Carl?? They gave T-bone a replacement, why not replace Carl with an infant? Even swap, I say.

The baby should be zombie-fied too, no? The way Maggie was holding him/her, I thought the kid might take a nibble at Maggie’s clavicle.

As a mom, I felt worse about T-bone than I did Lori. What’s up with that.

Mekei on November 6, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Didn’t you see the previews where Herschel yelled: This baby needs formula or it’s going to die!!!11!! Then you see Daryl tearing out of the prison in his truck, apparently, looking for baby formula.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Mekei on November 6, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Well when you only a month into the zombie apocalypse, and you are humping your husbands best friend, someone has to be the jerk!

I wonder if the black guy with the kid will ever show back up.

I wonder if Andrea is ever going to pull her head out of her butt.

I think Michone (sp) needs to pack up and leave Andrea.

Where did the little dorky white convict dude go? Did he save Carol?

I am glad they didn’t kill off Hershal.

upinak on November 6, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Allah, the obvious reason that Big criminal shot little was that his actions were dangerous to everyone, himself included. He didn’t just plan to kill Rick, he had no problem with setting free zombies that could just as easily have bitten himself or anyone else. Sure, his decision was also also pragmatic in that Rick had spared him, but also in that he knew that to join the group he needed to prove himself to Rick and the others. He might have killed Rick and had a chance at leadership, but with one gun against Daryl and the others, he might not live long. In this way, he can. And he can stay within the group. The decision was logical.

I did find it sort of hilarious that while Carol is still missing, the group is standing doing nothing to find her while Rick wails in agony. Lori cannot be saved, Carol can. And she is certainly still alive–wait for it.

darkmetal on November 6, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Didn’t you see the previews where Herschel yelled: This baby needs formula or it’s going to die!!!11!! Then you see Daryl tearing out of the prison in his truck, apparently, looking for baby formula.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 8:41 AM

You mean his Bike?

Why do I have this weird feeling Merle and Darryl will reunite.. over formula.

upinak on November 6, 2012 at 8:44 AM

We hear the kill shot but never actually see Carl execute Lori (nor the gory aftermath).

If Merle and Hershel can be resurrected from (apparently) certain death, so can Lori.

Prediction: Lori recovers from her C-section and is reinserted in the story.

Terp Mole on November 6, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Prediction: Lori recovers from her C-section and is reinserted in the story.

Terp Mole on November 6, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I don’t think so.

upinak on November 6, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I’ve wanted to see Lori die off since the second episode. I’m just glad they did it in a way that I almost feel bad for that.

John Deaux on November 6, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Didn’t you see the previews where Herschel yelled: This baby needs formula or it’s going to die!!!11!!

Dang, missed that.

Mekei on November 6, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I was a fan of the comic well before the show. It bothered me they took a different direction with a lot of the characters that they used and left off some and added new ones. Sometimes this worked out (as in the awesome Daryl) but a lot of times it falls flat (T-Dog, I am looking at you). The story went a different direction, they killed off folks who survive in the comic and vice versa. But all that is fine as long as they leave my favorite character alone and intact (and thusfar they have). I love Michonne. She will probably be the last one standing at the end of the world (and since everyone is infected, there is no hope for the future unless a cure can be found…)

Honestly, I was happy when Lori died. She was by far the most annoying character in the tv series. And the fact that Carl had to kill both her and Shane mirrors Carl’s development in the comic (but what happens to him is far worse).

Wolftech on November 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I watched all of “Hell On Wheels” the other day and it wasn’t bad, not bad at all. The grittiness is thorough, living in squalor was how they did it back then.

Bishop on November 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Been watching for a while. Like Zombieville, the question is “how long can a show survive when the viewers hate every single character?”

Jaibones on November 6, 2012 at 9:48 AM

(but what happens to him is far worse).

Wolftech on November 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

That is what I am wondering about. How bad does it get?

upinak on November 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

This episode I think makes the series. For the last 2 seasons the series has been delusional in its sparing use of walkers and the immediate danger they pose. Things that bugged me the most: 1) the passivity of the group, running from place to place rather than clearing walkers from their path, 2) their willingness to sit around and wait for the walkers to appear at the farm, 3)Rick’s lousy leadership and its eventual usurpation attempt by Shane 4) the fact that no one seems to be making ammunition and yet everyone has enough rounds in every episode and finally 5) Lori.

I hated Lori. She was a manipulative woman who used both Rick and Shane for her own purposes. She was a lousy mother who never seemed to mind leaving Carl to go find people or forage. And finally she was vicious. She was the one who wound up Shane to the point that he went nuts and tried to kill Rick.

So when Carl put a bullet in her brain, I rejoiced. Good riddance.

jcelephant on November 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Shane was by far the most interesting character and I quit watching after he was killed off. But if ANNOYING Lori is now dead, maybe I’ll start again.

Samantha on November 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Late to the party, but still —–

My husband always watched TWD but Lori (and Carl and Dale) were such pains I had a hard time with it, and gave up. THEN>>> We Netflixed all episodes and watched them back-to-back. The whole fam-damily is completely caught up in it. A few thoughts…

Shane was the best, but his character had run it’s course. I rejoiced when Dale bought the farm. I love Herschel, but his daughters are a pain in the ass. T-dog was so underutilized… they may as well have killed him off. We cheered when Lori died, but I have to admit I had tears when she hugged Carl for the last time. Having had a c-section and having worked (many moons ago) for a vet – Herschel’s daughter (whatever her name is…) would have known better than to jam a knife in to Lori’s belly… And that was the fastest labor in the history of the world… I like Carl a lot better this year. I teared up at the end, and I think Andrew Lincoln is one of the best actors on TV…
And finally – Sunday is the best TV night evah – TWD, Dexter and Homeland…

Thanks for bringing this thread back! And if the unicorn hover pony gets re-elected, the zombie apocalypse won’t be far behind. I’m hitting the wine cellar….

exliberal on November 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Maybe, during the 10 months where they were surrounded by zombies, little Andrew was REALLLLLY annoying.

hawksruleva on November 6, 2012 at 10:43 AM

And that was the fastest labor in the history of the world…

exliberal on November 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM

She really wasn’t in labor. She had abruptio placentae, i.e., the placenta had torn away form the uterus. She was bleeding out eternally, causing her labor like pain, and putting her baby at the risk of death if a csection wasn’t performed immediately. Lori, herself, was a goner no matter what.

And it can never be said enough that we miss this guy: [sorry, can't find the pix I want. It's the one when Shane first hears about the walkers in the barn.]

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 10:54 AM

a) nobody is stating the obvious, which is that next week, there will be two or three familiar zombies coming out of the woodwork.

b) question – do you guys really remember all the names? I just figure who is talking about who based on the context. The only name I remember is Shane, who’s dead.

c)I give last week a grade of “C” because although I enjoy the zombies, too much is too much. Last week was 40 minutes of blood bath (which sets the stage for point (a) )

d) does anyone know what the hell the “governor” is up to? Seems some kind of scientific experimentation whereby people are being murdered and their heads preserved – so that the dead don’t come back as zombies.

michaelthomas on November 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Lori was dead. Carl shot a dead body. Still, being that it was his mom and she was still warn, not sure why Maggie didn’t shoot her for him.

Also, Daryl told the others that Carol didn’t make it. But, since no one saw her die, you can bet she will come back alive or zombified!

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I’m p.o.’d that Peter Quinn may be off Homeland. Another Brit actor doing a find job in an American television show. It’s amazing how many brit actors we use.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM

exliberal on November 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You may enjoy the Talking Dead – a comedy panel show that discusses each episode with some of the actors/writers/producers. It’s pretty funny.

Blake on November 6, 2012 at 11:09 AM

First, why did Oscar, the big convict, shoot the little convict instead of shooting Rick?

This one actually seemed really obvious to me. The two convicts were already trying to join Rick’s group because they’d already realized that they couldn’t do it on their own. Then suddenly, little guy puts them all in massive danger by bringing a ton of zombies into the area, and Oscar has a choice. Go with little guy and the last 10 months of loyalty, or kill him and Rick will probably let you into his group.

I mean, sure, the three convicts could try to take over the prison with Rick dead, but he wasn’t the only one with a gun, so there’s no reason to believe they would have won. To me, this was a pure survival move.

Now, what didn’t make sense was Lori automatically dying from a C-section. Seriously? Did they not have those before modern medicine? Was there no reason to believe she could make it?

Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Esthier on November 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM

You are way over analyzing. It was simply the honorable decision to kill the other convict.

michaelthomas on November 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

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