Staten Island pleads for help: “We are going to die!”

posted at 9:17 am on November 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Hurricane Sandy delivered a wide swath of destruction to the Northeast, but possibly nowhere more devastating than Staten Island. Half of the storm’s deaths occurred there, and residents remain without power, heat, and in some cases shelter. ABC News reported last night on the desperate pleas of those stuck in the area, telling city, state, and federal officials that they need assistance or “we are going to die”:

The residents of Staten Island are pleading for help from elected officials, begging for gasoline, food and clothing three days after Sandy slammed the New York City borough.

“We’re going to die! We’re going to freeze! We got 90-year-old people!” Donna Solli told visiting officials. “You don’t understand. You gotta get your trucks down here on the corner now. It’s been three days!”

Staten Island was one of the hardest-hit communities in New York City. More than 80,000 residents are still without power. Many are homeless, and at least 19 people died on Staten Island because of the storm.

The good news is that New York City has the generators that could help. The bad news? They’re already assigned to a much more critical task than saving the lives of 90-year-old people:

As hundreds of thousands of Big Apple residents suffer in homes left without power by Hurricane Sandy, two massive generators are being run 24/7 in Central Park — to juice a media tent for Sunday’s New York City Marathon.

And a third “backup” unit sits idle, in case one of the generators fails.

The three diesel-powered generators crank out 800 kilowatts — enough to power 400 homes in ravaged areas like Staten Island, the Rockaways and downtown Manhattan.

If you’re wondering why New York City is still holding the annual marathon, it’s because Mayor Michael Bloomberg insists that the show must go on:

Mayor Bloomberg today insisted the New York City Marathon should go on as scheduled, even as huge swaths of Gotham remain in ruins and with no electricity.

The famed five -borough race is set for Sunday, starting at the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and ending in Central Park.

The mayor is banking on the restoration of electricity on several blocks of Manhattan, below 34th Street, thus relieving some police burden there.

“The marathon is not going to redirect any focus. Keep in mind by Sunday we’ll have electricity back downtown,” Bloomberg said.

These kind of events take a significant amount of resources for security, public safety, transportation, and certainly for the electricity needed to run a media event like a modern marathon. Shouldn’t the focus of the city’s resources be on, oh, saving the lives of its people in the aftermath of a disaster like this?  Staten Island residents probably aren’t too keen on taking a back seat to a sporting event while they sit in the dark and the cold.


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“..WASH OFF THE B.O. ON NOVEMBER 6th!”

The War Planner on November 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

“The conditions on the ground in Staten Island are not optimal”

BobMbx on November 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Just look at the destruction on Staten Island. It looks like a bomb hit the place. And the Totalitarian Nanny Mayor sees no problem with runners running through it.

Urban Infidel on November 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Bloomberg to suggest new climate change tax for New Yorkers in 3..2…

CorporatePiggy on November 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM

This is heart breaking.

Perhaps if Staten Island announced a marathon today, Mayor Bombast could borrow Marine One for the great photo/op – and maybe cater in some bottled water…

locomotivebreath1901 on November 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I have seen sme people saying this will help the libs, but I disagree. When things are bad, many of the peopl in NYC, Boston, etc. will be worried bout other things and not want to mess wit the trouble of voting. The conservative areas of NY (upstate, etc.) are not hit as bad. I would be surprised if we won NY, but I would not be amazed.

jeffn21 on November 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Doesn’t surprise me – Runners as a whole tend to be some of the most self-absorbed people to be found on the planet (god forbid you screw with their intervals with something petty like people starving to death in the streets).

JFS61 on November 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I disagree. Cyclist’s are the most pretentious pricks on the face of the Earth.

Mr. Arrogant on November 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM

People where emailing and twittering that they had seen the Alabama folks working in N.J., I bet the local folks told the union to get bent.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Great news! I hope those yankees sure appreciate some good ol’ boys and their git ‘er done attitude.

Christien on November 2, 2012 at 11:17 AM

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Thank ya for that post. She’s been going on like that for a couple days

blatantblue on November 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Thanks..

There is a time to teach, a time to educate..

but..

not when the dead are unburied, the hungry and cold unfed, unsheltered.. and we do ourselves no favors, when we act like liberals and pass judgment on the suffering when we should just focus on being good Christians, Jews,.. people of faith or no faith, who care about those who suffer.

Being your brothers keeper is not waiting for help from the government… it’s also not giving lectures to those suffering.. they aren’t listening.. and it makes us as bad as the liberals.. putting ideology ahead of people.

When we ,lost power for a week, we pooled resources with our neighbors.. but the weather was moderate.. and exposure not an issue.. none of us was wealthy, none rich, and none with a horde of goods..

but we got by..

and none of us.. stood on a podium wagging a finger at our neighbors telling them, how morally superior we were, or how much better Americans because we had a weeks worth of food, rather than two days.. we lost a full freezer,.. and fed the people around us too.. a gas grill and campfire doing the stoves duty.. and skills learned in infantry school.. helped alot.. somebodies wood skills.. hunting.. even scouting skills passed on to help..

we were a community.. helping each other..

My wife using her car charger to charge all our’s and neighbors cell phones..

I was teaching a man of 40 how to build and keep a campfire.. had never done that before.. teaching folks how to change their gas grill around, to fit pots to boil water.. letting neighbors shower at our house, because we had gas hot water, not electric..

we came together..

Her post drives folks apart,.. not how we should be.

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Maybe the Marathoners could each hand a bottle of water TO the people in Staten Island, as they flash past, instead of vice versa.

For a little PR fix.

profitsbeard on November 2, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Staten Island Hotel Owner Refuses To Displace Hurricane Evacuees For Marathon Runners.

Urban Infidel on November 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Don’t worry citizens of Staten Island – your state bureaucrats are on the job! Big government will save you!

/sarc

gwelf on November 2, 2012 at 11:23 AM

You help people FIRST..

you can scold them all later..

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Thank you. That is the absolute truth. I’ve lived on Staten Island most of my life. My family was fortunate – all we lost was a few shingles and power for three days. Others not so much. When a mini tsunami comes over the shore and washes away practically everything, how can one use one’s resources?

To those heartless jackasses, shove off (and that’s being polite).

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I was teaching a man of 40 how to build and keep a campfire.. had never done that before.. teaching folks how to change their gas grill around, to fit pots to boil water.. letting neighbors shower at our house, because we had gas hot water, not electric..

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

These sound like skills that are a threat to the government. You must be a terrorist, as defined by Big Sis.

Turn yourself in so you can be released.

BobMbx on November 2, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Big City. Big-Time Mayor. Big Money. Big Celebrities. Big Importance.

The little people? F’ them.

But be sure to keep them disarmed and in their place.

M240H on November 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Staten Island Hotel Owner Refuses To Displace Hurricane Evacuees For Marathon Runners.

Urban Infidel on November 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Now there’s some people with BRAINS!

katablog.com on November 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

you are clearly a good dude!

blatantblue on November 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM

You know, I’m having a terrible time right now forgetting that these are the people who so despise the rest of America, they turn away the “red necks” who want to help and the food collected by Romney. These are the people who stole our money and handed it out to fly-by-night organizations like Solyndra and turned off US oil and told the rest of us we’re too stupid to live (and apparently if you’re white you going straight to Hell regardless).

They mock and call names and ridicule and literally refuse offers of help. They don’t care when Joplin MO is destroyed. No one paid attention when folks in my neck of the woods were without electricity for 10 days this year and for a couple of weeks during the ice storm in the early 90′s (and we got NO help from anyone but our neighbors–and I mean or immediate neighbors).

These are the people who don’t give a rat’s patootee about the out of work coal miners or shutting down coal plants which mean the average, despised, low-life clingers won’t be able to afford electricity in just a couple of years.

And Governor Christie? That photo-op and selling out the rest of us for some crumbs from the elitist media while turning away and mocking our efforts to help? We won’t forget.

Never, ever, ever, will I again contribute to the Obama-supporting Red Cross. Never.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

It’s all in the way they’re socialized growing up. They are taught that anybody who lives south of D.C. is practically subhuman and not even worthy of scorn.

And when Ivan hit Florida, we were without power for two weeks. Did we yell at the government to feed us and take care of us? Nope. Did FEMA ever come around? Nope. Guard troops dropped off MREs, people in the areas removed trees from the streets themselves, and the local cable company actually repaired all the broken power lines and telephone poles THEMSELVES with only a few workers in each part of my city. We were smart enough to have food stockpiled in the event of a hurricane and gas up all our vehicles prior to the storm making landfall, and we had ice on hand and provisions for preparing food without electricity. We had cookouts with our neighbors, helped them clean up their yards, even cleaned up damage from the houses that hadn’t been so lucky. We survived just fine. And when the FEMA van came around two whole months later, it looked like there hadn’t been a storm at all, aside from a few missing trees.

Meanwhile, some poor woman sits outside during the New York storm and bangs on doors, pleading for help. She’s just lost her two little boys. Some people are subhuman, I agree, but it sure isn’t us in the south.

mintycrys on November 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Maybe the residents of Staten Island should celebrate the marathon start by reenacting scenes from The Warriors

Marathoners… come out to play-i-ay

Bloomberg… what a d-bag

phreshone on November 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM

“The marathon is not going to redirect any focus. Keep in mind by Sunday we’ll have electricity back downtown,” Bloomberg said.

Isn’t this the man who endorsed BHO because he would do something about GCAW and the attendant risk management. Nice evaluation of risk here Bloomy. As someone who does run marathon’s I find this decision to be abhorrent.

chemman on November 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Staten Island should have seceded from NYC long ago.

Revenant on November 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Meanwhile, some poor woman sits outside during the New York storm and bangs on doors, pleading for help. She’s just lost her two little boys. Some people are subhuman, I agree, but it sure isn’t us in the south.

mintycrys on November 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM

And when power workers from Alabama show up to help with repairs- turned away because they don’t belong to a union. I feel sorry for the residents but this is a nightmare of their own making when you have to have an effing union card to be able to help with restoration.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM

“STAND DOWN” SAME AS BENGHAZI; NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT; NOT FOR THE MEDIA ELITE; NOT FOR THE 1%’ERS.

A tipster, who wishes to remain anonymous, told us there were lots of workers in and out of the park today, who had “started before the storm and then came back starting yesterday.” Trailers are lined up from around 71st to 66th Streets on Central Park West, a food truck was set up today, and “generators have been sitting there at least a week.” The tents that were taken down prior to the storm have also been set back up, and there is a stage set up near 73rd Street.

Considering all the volunteer help and NYPD attention that’s already being diverted to the Marathon, the added sight of generators and food being channeled to the event is probably going to strike some New Yorkers as a little misplaced—we’re thinking of the ones who are currently lined up waiting for the National Guard to ration out MREs and bottles of water.

Staten Island residents are frantically calling for help, ABC News reported on Thursday:

The residents of Staten Island are pleading for help from elected officials, begging for gasoline, food and clothing three days after Sandy slammed the New York City borough.

“We’re going to die! We’re going to freeze! We got 90-year-old people!” Donna Solli told visiting officials. “You don’t understand. You gotta get your trucks down here on the corner now. It’s been three days!”

Staten Island was one of the hardest-hit communities in New York City. More than 80,000 residents are still without power. Many are homeless, and at least 19 people died on Staten Island because of the storm.

Staten Island Borough President Jim Molinaro blasted Mayor Bloomberg’s decision to divert needed supplies from Staten Island to this Sunday’s New York City marathon:

Molinaro urged New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg Wednesday to cancel Sunday’s New York City Marathon. The race’s staging area is on Staten Island and Molinaro said it would be “crazy, asinine,” to have the race after what has happened.

“My God. What we have here is terrible, a disaster,” Molinaro said Wednesday. “If they want to race, let them race with themselves. This is no time for a parade. A marathon is a parade. Now is the time to put your shoulder to the wheel. If they want to prepare for something, let them prepare for the election, not a marathon.”

“Do you realize how many police officers you need for a marathon?” he asked. “There are people looting stores on Midland Avenue. There is looting taking place in the homes on the South Shore that were destroyed. That is where we need the police.”

In New York City, apparently these days the Bloomberg show must go on — even at the expense of those truly in need.

NOW THEY’RE “STANDING DOWN” IN STATEN ISLAND. ARE THEY MORE REPUBLICAN? YOU BET!

AgentRose on November 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Golly…Is it time to bring back Rudy Guliani?

StarLady on November 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I empathize with NY liberals who can expect nothing less from their liberal elected officials who really, really care about people. Elections have consequences, you morons. Wonder how much money the marathon makes for NYC?????

ultracon on November 2, 2012 at 11:50 AM

I wonder if Kathleen Parker is still pushing for Pres. Bloomberg?

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Seems to me, these people were too stupid to prep before the storm. Starving after just 4 days? What, don’t these people keep food in their kitchens? Flyover country gets tornadoes, ice storms, blizzards, hurricanes, and floods. We manage, we cope, we help each other, we prepare in advance.

Geesh.

karenhasfreedom on November 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Don’t be a scold. You look like Nanny Bloomburg saying “Tsk Tsk children. When WILL you ever learn?”

thebrokenrattle on November 2, 2012 at 11:54 AM

The Romney campaign should buy 10000 generators and 100k gallons of gasoline, and truck it up to Staten Island. Show America what private action is capable of.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

That’s a loser. The New York state version of the EPA would fine him for bringing in the wrong gasoline cocktail. The mother of all EPAs would fine him for illegal storage. The state and federal IRS would audit his butt to make sure he is paying all the taxes. The unions would blockade the trucks until the drivers joined up and paid their dues. The greedy unions that run the bureaucracy would pull the trucks off the road for safety inspections to be done when the inspectors could return to work, etc, etc, etc.

I don’t know why they call it ‘red tape’, it should be more like ‘steel reinforced concrete dams’.

slickwillie2001 on November 2, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Have no fear, call and they will be saved within 15 minutes, unless, of course, you are being attacked by an armed mob of al queda.

rjoco1 on November 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

This is an outrage..I’m sadden beyond words..Putting a marathon ahead of human life..Wow.just.wow..:(:(

Dire Straits on November 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

To those heartless jackasses, shove off (and that’s being polite).

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Ahhhhh. You’re now telling the people whom YOU’VE refused help from that THEY’RE heartless jacka$$es? You people have called us every name in the book, including unAmerican and NAZI’s. You don’t want the food Romney collected; you despise the efforts to get blankets to you; you do not care a whit about the starving and this winter, freezing, rednecks in coal country, and this is your response (again)?

You people are desperate and yet you’re using your limited resources to have a party and still calling Republicans and Southerners and fly-over people names.

I just sent money to the Salvation Army. I will go buy blankets this afternoon to take to our church (I was going to buy some canned goods, but apparently you people don’t want that). I’ll help, but it’s damned hard to take your continued attacks even in the midst of destruction.

I’ve been without electricity, food, and warmth—and no running water. I was poor as a child. We didn’t have TV’s…we were scum like Sarah Palin. We hunted for our food and canned and dried it and grew and canned it. I didn’t have a store-bought dress until I went to college, but our poverty was never an excuse for doing badly in school or for dishonesty or looting. And when we shared our home-made goods with a neighbor whose house burned down, they didn’t throw it back in our face because our offerings weren’t worthy to receive.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

mark81150 on November 2, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Beautiful. Words to live by.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 11:58 AM

OT: HOLY COW!! Just read an article at WSJ by Peggy Noonan titled…

How Far Has Obama Fallen

While the article was good, the comments were even better!

So many took Noonan to task for her 2008 blinders!

BUT… I have to point out some comments worth your time to read! Go to page 32 of the comments and start reading the collected facts provided by William Sulcer! WOW! I actually copied these all together to provide out as a Facebook note… talk about detailed history collected on Obama’s ties to communism and corruption!

dominigan on November 2, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I’ve noticed on many sites, people looking for a place to make donations to directly help the hard hit South shore of Staten Island, so I called the local parish in Tottenville, Our Lady Help of Christians. They have been collecting and distributing clothing and food and also taking money for ones who had deaths and lost homes. They do not have Paypal, but if you go to http://olhcparish.blogspot.com/ and scroll down on right, there is ParishPay, for making church contributions. Look under zip code 10307 and they will be listed; you can make a 1 time donation. This is their FB page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Our-Lady-Help-of-Christians-School/43602545966?ref=ts&fref=ts#!/pages/Our-Lady-Help-of-Christians/42815181653

Madisonian on November 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Mr. Mayor, they’re white, blue collar, Catholic clingers. What shall we do?

Screw ‘em.

Mason on November 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Mayor Bloomberg today insisted the New York City Marathon should go on as scheduled, even as huge swaths of Gotham remain in ruins and with no electricity.

Ahh bread and circuses will pacify the restless hordes, won’t it Bloomie? Ok, well just the circuses then, right? There is massive, real, hard human suffering ongoing that is getting worse by the minute, and they have a parade?

It’s like some macabre theater of the absurd for Bloomie to devote life-saving public resources, at a time of dire public need to a stupid “Look at Meeeee” entertainment event. I’m shocked that the runners and organizers themselves don’t have better judgement than this – the optics alone should destroy NYC’s political elite ruling class. I guess we’ll see.

Harbingeing on November 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Staten Island pleads while pig Bloomberg diverts energy and supplies for the weekend marathon. NBC is throwing a celebrity party, also diverting engery and supplies. In NJ non-union crews are not allow to help. Obama promised to cut through the red tape during his PHOTO OP then returned to campaign, meanwhile people are cold, hungry and homeless.

jqc1970 on November 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Mayor Bloomberg will make sure none of the storm victims or marathon runners drink more than 16 ounces of sugary soda!

The way things are run in Staten Island, it’s only a matter of time until Staten Island secedes from NYC and becomes part of New Jersey (which is closer).

Steve Z on November 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Did we read the same comment? Are you basing this on something she said or just her geography?

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Seems to me, these people were too stupid to prep before the storm. Starving after just 4 days? What, don’t these people keep food in their kitchens? Flyover country gets tornadoes, ice storms, blizzards, hurricanes, and floods. We manage, we cope, we help each other, we prepare in advance.

Geesh.

karenhasfreedom on November 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Put your “thinking cap” back on. They more than likely did
prepare for the storm, purchasing food, other supplies. However,
the storm that took their homes, cars, lives, etc. also took
their freaking storm supplies!

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

For those of you who read blogs by Non-professional Bloggers, here’s my take on Mayor Bloomingidiot’s marathon.

In Obama’s World

SWalker on November 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM

dominigan on November 2, 2012 at 11:58 AM

You might be interested to know that the WSJ commenter copied those comments from this article, which is in itself written by Don Fredrick, ©2012, blogging at The Obama Timeline.

As soon as I began reading it, I knew I’d read it recently before and found it in my bookmarks.

PatriotGal2257 on November 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Perhaps the disaster will get our friends on the right to see that what’s wrong with Bloomberg isn’t “big government” its a rampant disregard for human life: http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/11/bloombergs_back-to-work_imperative_after_sandy_reflects_our_broader_disaster.html

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM

“Math is hard, science is harder and research is hardest of all”

I am going to need to change my phrase to include thinking being more difficult than those three. You fail to understand that rampant disregard for human life can be a result from big government. Since it is big government’s responsibility to care for others then the average joe/jane will believe that they are absolved of responsibility because they’ve paid their taxes. This very thing has played out in every socialist country throughout history.

chemman on November 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Cindy Mumford,

It’s the quote below that set me off. The endless namecalling from these people in NY and NJ. We offer to help and they throw it back in our faces. This morning my husband was talking with friends about loading a truck up with supplies and driving up there. But we’re heartless Jacka&&es, you see, so that’s a no go—along with the canned goods.

To those heartless jackasses, shove off (and that’s being polite).

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Put your “thinking cap” back on. They more than likely did
prepare for the storm, purchasing food, other supplies. However,
the storm that took their homes, cars, lives, etc. also took
their freaking storm supplies!

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I seem to recall they were told to evacuate.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Staten Island pleads for help: “We are going to die!”

I hope they are not asking the Obama administration for any help. That worked out so well in Benghazi, you know.

Sterling Holobyte on November 2, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I hear Bloomberg believes Sandy was a spontaneous event precipitated by a YouTube posting of an Al Gore video.

crosspatch on November 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Bloomberg ought to be water boarded in a tub filled with Root Beer, then have trans fat shoved into all of his orifices, and left to die lying in the middle of one of his #&(@!*%#@& bike paths!

We are witnessing a perfect example Liberal conceit, on the part of both Bloomberg and Cuomo.

They both believe in man made global warming. FINE. They can talk about it all they want, AFTER everyone gets their electricity, heat, and water back.

Does it occur to these idiots that a lot of people who don’t have electricity, heat, and water DON’T believe in man made global warming? Does it occur to them that there’s a difference between lecturing people about something and taking into account that not everyone is going to agree with them, and lecturing people about something, when many of the people who disagree with them are without basic necessities, and just want them to do their jobs and not preach about things that these people think is pure and utter bulls**t?

Of course not, that’s why they’re Liberals.

ardenenoch on November 2, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Put your “thinking cap” back on. They more than likely did
prepare for the storm, purchasing food, other supplies. However,
the storm that took their homes, cars, lives, etc. also took
their freaking storm supplies!

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I seem to recall they were told to evacuate.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

And in the context of the email I was responding to, your point is?

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM

crosspatch on November 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM

President Obama and the Dept. of Energy are buying advertisements to apologize to the weather gods.

They are also upset at having to realize that so many New Yorkers depend on gasoline and electricity and are going to work harder to stamp both out in the next term.

The NYC Marathon is important as General Motors is going to preview a new car that operates with leg power and will replace the poor selling Volt. It is taken from the entertainment industry and a show called “The Flintstones”.

Meantime, nonunion repair people are being chased from the storm damage area.

IlikedAUH2O on November 2, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I’ve lived in New England all of my days and I agree with everything you’ve said about the Northeast. At least 90% of the Northeast population have their collective brains inserted in their behinds and are infantile Leftists. They have never been weened off government and union thuggery.There are small pockets of sanity and decency but even they are fading.

vilebody on November 2, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Were Staten Islanders ordered to evacuate? I know Christie told people on the NJ barrier islands to get out.

Mitsouko on November 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:25 PM

I could be wrong but I don’t think she was talking to people who want to help but people who are suggesting that these folks could have helped themselves. It doesn’t really matter at this point. I don’t know if you heard but it turns out that the story about the Alabama electric crews being turned away were wrong. I am sure all of these people would love help from anyone and everyone, and those who don’t can refuse. It will be another lesson of choices and consequences.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Mitsouko on November 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I wondered the same thing since I am so ignorant of the area. I get the impression that they were not told to evacuate and that this area is home to a lot of first responders but again, I am just not sure. I wish Allah could give us a little more info on the lay of the land.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 1:05 PM

If I were one of the NY Marathon participants, I’d either demand that the organizers take my entry fee ($100.00+, based on what mine was when I walked in the Pittsburgh Marathon two years ago) and use it to buy food, supplies, etc. that the residents of Staten Island, especially, need. Or, I’d gather as many supplies as I could and drive it up and distribute it myself.

PatriotGal2257 on November 2, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I really don’t feel like donating one thin dime to this disaster relief.

Really karenhasfreedom? That is so Christian of you to let your politics stop you from helping others. Geesh…as you would say.

tammyloc on November 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Stop the Marathon

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-the-Marathon/425623544158352

reddevil on November 2, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Really karenhasfreedom? That is so Christian of you to let your politics stop you from helping others. Geesh…as you would say.

tammyloc on November 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM

And who exactly appointed you the judge of her soul? Listen, these people despise her. Most of us acknowledge we aren’t as good hearted as Mother Theresa. Like Noah, we’re commanded to help and most of us will, but it’s very difficult to be cheerful and sympathetic toward people who despise you and say so while while turning away food and help they don’t believe is up to their standards (and who are going to give a couple of really big parties the rest of can’t afford even in good times).

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 1:45 PM

To Cindy Mumford,

I watched video of Democrat attacks on efforts to send help. They were ridiculed and mocked. Do a google search about collection efforts from Romney supporters.

Christie tells the rest of us that the fate of our country is supremely unimportant to him and agrees to a photo op with the Won and which will be used to defeat Republicans.

This from Fox Business about the Union issue. Apparently it’s the “fog” of red tape—sort of like the “fog” of Benghazi. And no, I don’t trust NY media to report the truth.:

Despite devastation and millions of power outages in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a utility crew from Alabama said it has been unable to help a ravaged New Jersey shore town due to a union dispute.

Officials from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers presented Alabama-based Decatur Utilities with documents that “required our folks to affiliate with the union,” Ray Hardin, general manager of Decatur, told FOX Business on Friday. “That was something that we could not agree to. It was our understanding and still is that it was a requirement for us to work in that area.”

Hardin said most of his six-man, four-vehicle crew was stuck in Virginia on Thursday instead of helping the N.J. shore town of Seaside Heights recover due to the bureaucratic tie-up. Eventually his crew ended up heading back home to Alabama because of the disagreement.

“We chose we could not agree to those documents and began looking for other areas that could use our assistance without those conditions,” Hardin said.

Ed Hill, international president of the IBEW, said in an emailed statement: “It is the policy of this union and the companies we represent to welcome assistance during major natural disasters — regardless of union status.”

Decatur said in a separate statement following Hardin’s comments that its crews were held in place in Virginia pending clarification of documents received from the IBEW that “implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the” New York and N.J. areas.

Decatur said that as it waited for clarification, “we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources. To be clear, at no time were our crews ‘turned away’ from the utility in Seaside Heights.”

Decatur said it tried to contact other areas that needed help, but “based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately” decided to return the crew to Alabama.

“There have been reports that a nonunion crew was turned away from work in New Jersey,” Hill said. “At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim.”

Earlier reports indicated two other Alabama utilities — Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Cooperative — were turned away from New Jersey due to union discrimination. However, those utilities have since denied those reports.

“It is unfortunate that at a time when skilled line workers are working around the clock to help devastated communities, sketchy reports should cast a pall over these efforts,” Hill said. “The real story is that our members and others are working side by side to help people in New Jersey and all affected states get their power back and recover from the effects of the storm.”

Hill said his union will continue to work with “anyone who shares our commitment to safety and service to ensure relief for the people of the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.”

New Jersey, which is the home of many powerful unions, has been ravaged by Hurricane Sandy, especially Jersey Shore communities like Seaside Heights and Point Pleasant.

As of 3 p.m. ET on Thursday, an estimated 1.7 million New Jersey residents were without power, down from 1.8 million earlier in the day. Another 1.5 million in New York are believed to be without power.

PSE&G has said all customers are expected to have their power services restored within the next seven to ten days.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Seems to me, these people were too stupid to prep before the storm. Starving after just 4 days? What, don’t these people keep food in their kitchens? Flyover country gets tornadoes, ice storms, blizzards, hurricanes, and floods. We manage, we cope, we help each other, we prepare in advance.
Geesh.
karenhasfreedom on November 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Put your “thinking cap” back on. They more than likely did
prepare for the storm, purchasing food, other supplies. However,
the storm that took their homes, cars, lives, etc. also took
their freaking storm supplies!
Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

NYers are used to hurricane/trop storm warnings, they just haven’t been hit with something like this for a very long time. A lot of people just shrug the warnings off.
In the upper midwest there’s winter storm warnings and tornado warnings on a regular basis that the news/weather people get all excited about and hype to the max. You get used to all the hyperventilated warnings that are just so many cries of “wolf”.
Also, I think in mega-cities people tend to get a certain sense of invulnerability – i.e. the city can take it.

whatcat on November 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I’m going to stick what I raised my kids with, you will never be sorry for doing the right thing. I can’t let the Democrats’ pettiness stand in the way of helping anyone I can. Which admittedly isn’t much.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM

According to MM, Decatur, AL utilities will hold a press conference at 2 pm CT today…

d1carter on November 2, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I’m going to stick what I raised my kids with, you will never be sorry for doing the right thing. I can’t let the Democrats’ pettiness stand in the way of helping anyone I can. Which admittedly isn’t much.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Well, neither am I going to let the nasty Dems stand in my way…no Red Cross but sent to Salvation Army and am helping with my parish’s efforts. But I’m not Mother Theresa and am trusting that Jesus will keep his promise to sinners like me.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM

And in the context of the email I was responding to, your point is?

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM

If you’re living in a place that’s going to be hit by a storm surge predicted to be 11 to as much as 25 feet high, you pack up the necessities and move to higher ground. You pack what you need to survive, including cash and food and blankets and water-proof matches.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I agree with everything Portia46 is saying. When this storm popped up I was reminded of what the poster child for Upper West Side leftist limo liberal James Woolcott said:

I root for hurricanes. When, courtesy of the Weather Channel, I see one forming in the ocean off the coast of Africa, I find myself longing for it to become big and strong–Mother Nature’s fist of fury, Gaia’s stern rebuke. Considering the havoc mankind has wreaked upon nature with deforesting, stripmining, and the destruction of animal habitat, it only seems fair that nature get some of its own back and teach us that there are forces greater than our own.

This is where the bleu state liberals learn a few harsh lessons about life:

1. “Do unto others as you would have them do onto you.” After a good decade of heaping on the worst kinds of hatred, scorn, derision and abuse onto all us ‘redneck, raaaaacist, redstate Christianazi, bitter clingers’ they are discovering that the people they have enjoyed laughing at and pissing on have no sympathy for them and are not exactly ready to jump up and help them.

2. “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.” Read the quote from Woolcott again-you are now paying for that. Karma is a bitch, isn’t it?

3. Hubris is always followed by Nemisis. The danger a storm of this nature would pose to NYC and surrounding areas has been known for decades. Instead of taking precautions and building defenses the governments of the area chose to worry about how much salt a person can eat and Big Gulps.

4. “The best place to look for a helping hand is at the end of your arm.” In all major disaster situations BIG government and BIG ‘charity’ is totally useless. “Government” is reduced to yourself and your neighbors. If you do not properly prepare and have the proper mindset you will not survive.

Lastly a side note….

In the aftermath of Katrina it was the city of Houston and the state of Texas that came to the aid of New Orleans and Louisiana. I was at the Astrodome for a good week helping out our neighbors from New Orleans. Too bad for the folks in NYC that Houston and the state of Texas will not be there to help them out because we know how to “git ‘er done”.

Nahanni on November 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Escape from New York.

ted c on November 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM

My dad was a WWII vet, he soured me on the Red Cross as a child, so I am with you on that. I like the Salvation Army as my charity of choice.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Ahhhhh. You’re now telling the people whom YOU’VE refused help from that THEY’RE heartless jacka$$es? You people have called us every name in the book, including unAmerican and NAZI’s. You don’t want the food Romney collected; you despise the efforts to get blankets to you; you do not care a whit about the starving and this winter, freezing, rednecks in coal country, and this is your response (again)?

You people are desperate and yet you’re using your limited resources to have a party and still calling Republicans and Southerners and fly-over people names.

I just sent money to the Salvation Army. I will go buy blankets this afternoon to take to our church (I was going to buy some canned goods, but apparently you people don’t want that). I’ll help, but it’s damned hard to take your continued attacks even in the midst of destruction.

I’ve been without electricity, food, and warmth—and no running water. I was poor as a child. We didn’t have TV’s…we were scum like Sarah Palin. We hunted for our food and canned and dried it and grew and canned it. I didn’t have a store-bought dress until I went to college, but our poverty was never an excuse for doing badly in school or for dishonesty or looting. And when we shared our home-made goods with a neighbor whose house burned down, they didn’t throw it back in our face because our offerings weren’t worthy to receive.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Who the hell are you talking about? I’m a conservative independent. I never voted for Obama or any of the other jerks. We have a garden every year. We try to keep food in our pantry, and have never declined to help anyone in need when it’s presented to us. We not only donate money, but we donate time and energy.

Bugger off, you ignorant idiot and re-read my post.

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I seem to recall they were told to evacuate.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Zone A was told to evacuate. Unfortunately, some of the flooding occurred as well in Zone B areas near the ocean.

You really do have your head up your bottom, don’t you? And keep your stupid canned goods if you can’t see to the human need here. We’ll be going out Saturday and Sunday to see what we can do as a family and take care of our own.

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Bumping my head against a wall.

I hold US Patents in various areas but I admit that many tech gadgets make no sense. I have been trying to solves several of our national problems, esp. in energy.

As to Sandy..

Other parts of the world have so many ways of generating electricity and effecting repairs to the power grid that I don’t get this long term emergency on the east coast.

For starters, check Princeton University and Mark Pavlyukovskyy.

This is just one option which I was advocating. My idea was stockpiling these for emergencies.

IlikedAUH2O on November 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Let me be clear: I do not want Mayor Bloomberg in my party any more.
Thank you.

Mary in LA on November 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Oh. Since we all sometimes just pull stuff off the web, I should add something about me.

I have not spent my whole life on electrical engineering.

But I started working in the engineering department of an major electric utility at age 17 and I can talk overhead residential distribution and KV towers and the design engineering of substations all day long.

IlikedAUH2O on November 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM

By the way, you know how Staten Island got its name, right?

Explorers were sailing in the fog, and one of them thought he saw it in the distance. He said, “Is dat an Island?”

It’s kind of an audio joke. Oh well.

The Rogue Tomato on November 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Heckuva job, Doomberg. You and Barry deserve each other.

TarheelBen on November 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

In times of disaster, I hope we all remember that we are all Americans first.

The people who didn’t adequately prepare for the storm are finding that out the hard way, but that’s no reason for us not to help them if we are able. They will surely remember this when the next disaster threatens. Who among us hasn’t had a painful learning experience?

I’ve never had to deal with a storm like Sandy out here in CA, but I did go through two major earthquakes and the Rodney King riots.
So I’m giving to the Salvation Army and sending prayers for the people suffering in NY, NJ and the other coastal areas hit by the storm. May the Lord bless you all and keep you safe.

Mary in LA on November 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Drivers Waiting 6 Hours For Gas in NYC…
Tempers Rise in Wake of Storm…
‘They forgot about us’…
CHUCK SCHUMER CONFRONTED: ‘We Are Gonna Die!’
CUOMO: ‘No reason to panic’…
Utility workers pelted with eggs…
Misery…
Mile-long lines, price hits $6…
Residents Furious RED CROSS Offering Cookies & Hot Chocolate, Not Blankets Or Clothes…
Two massive generators power NY media, not masses…
Staten Islanders Plead for Help: ‘We Need Food’…
‘Please don’t leave us’…
VIDEO: Stranded New Yorkers Defecating in Apartment Buildings…
DIRE…

That is the link stack at the top-left of the Drudge Report.

If I didn’t know I had just copied and pasted it today, I would think it was Sept. 1, 2005.

Katrina flashback.

Weird to see it as an observer, because last time I was immersed in it.

All that’s needed to make it complete is for a white man to be standing outside the local post office, 72 hours post-storm, shouting to all who will listen, “Barack 0bama hates white people!”

I asaqw this

cane_loader on November 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Just saw Chuck Schumer repeat Obama line that they’re cutting through all the red tape to help victims of “Sandy”. If the red tape needs cutting through, how about examining and eliminating red tape throughout government. You wanna eliminate red tape (every day and every where), get rid of Obamacare and Obama by electing Romney on November 6th.

RightTurn on November 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I lived on Staten Island for 25 years and my heart breaks at what’s happening there. My husband’s manufacturing factory is still located there (in Zone A) and our office manager lost her home. It flooded to the second floor and filled with silty mud. She visited it yesterday — by boat!

Locals always referred to Staten Island as “the forgotten borough”, and that seems very apt in the aftermath of the storm. God bless Staten Island. Those people need help now.

jix on November 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM

And in the context of the email I was responding to, your point is?

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM

If you’re living in a place that’s going to be hit by a storm surge predicted to be 11 to as much as 25 feet high, you pack up the necessities and move to higher ground. You pack what you need to survive, including cash and food and blankets and water-proof matches.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Common sense would dictate that one would. However, you have
NO clue whatsoever which people are complaining, how old they
are, if they have family, if they even live in the area designated
to receive “11 to as much as 25 feet high” and yet, you are
blaming them. For being without water and food while Bette Midler
has her annual Halloween bash, Sarah Jessica Parker is probably
frolicking in the rain drops, and Mayor Bloomberg is running
a marathon. I admit that people are naive and somewhat stupid,
however the “blame the victim” mentality just really annoys me.

Nonetheless, I get your point.

Amjean on November 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Yeah Ijust heard on the radio they’re running the marathon.

I come down on the side of, “that’s a disgrace” to divert any police manpower whatsoever there.

If the organizers, or the very physically-fit people themselves, have a heart, they change the marathon into and organized assistance squad of fit people and go out and exhaust themselves helping in some capacity.

That’s what ought to be happening.

cane_loader on November 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Three gensets rated to 800 KW are not going to really help in this situations. You can’t hookup to the distribution system and all of the sudden light up 400 houses. The most dangerous thing would be to electrify miles of downed cable. People would be electrocuted by the score.

Truckloads of small generators and clean fuel would be the best thing, but think of the logistics. How are you going to keep track of them ?

How do you get them back ?

How do you keep the Bonnano and Gambino families from stealing and reselling the generators ?

People will need miles and miles of extension cords and, most of all, instruction on how to use the gensets without suffocating themselves with carbon monoxide.

Setting up temporary shelters as has been done in Haiti, Central America and Southeast Asia with beds, showers, heating, clean clothing, medical attention and food is really the best solution in the short term.

They should enforce an absolute evacuation to shelters at that point.

Then shoot any looters on sight.

Katfish on November 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Most times the anti-gouging laws work because emergency relief operations arrive relatively quickly. If the government is going to bring in free food, water, ice, etc. then essentially prohibiting anyone from “gouging” (however you want to define it) can make a degree of sense.

What we get is a disincentive for people to make a special effort to bring stocks into the disaster area because they would charge higher (gouging) prices to compensate them for their efforts. Result is that nobody really wants to spend lots of time, effort, and money to do something that is illegal despite a need.

The people who will go out of their way to contribute and distribute relief supplies for free are doing a tremendous service to others and more power to them, but that can only go so far.

Russ808 on November 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

DONATE DIRECTLY TO STATEN ISLAND RELIEF HERE: http://www.tunneltotowers.org/

The president of the borough of Staten Island http://www.statenislandusa.com is directing people right to this site to make sure all the donations get directly to people, and NOT to the freakin’ red cross with their hot chocolate and cookie parade.

Someone should direct Mitt Romney’s campaign to do the same. Rudy Guliani sits on the board.

rightallthetime on November 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Unable to read entire thread, so forgive if a repeat …
There are many ‘runners’ establishing ways to volunteer instead of running, via FB.
Plan to wear their bibs, and distribute collected goods, without running.
God bless ‘em !!

pambi on November 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Hilton Inn, Staten Island will NOT refuse refugees.
God bless ‘em !!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/hotelcheckin/2012/11/02/new-york-city-marathon-runnersstaten-island-hilton-hotel-owner/1676087/

A lousy link for iPads, btw.

pambi on November 2, 2012 at 4:59 PM

With large population concentrations, there really is no substitute for bitter experience.

One can warn and warn and advise people to stock up, evacuate, etc., but there will always be those who cannot physically do so, or are stubborn, or think the alarm is overhyped, or don’t pay attention to things around them, or think that NYC, etc. is great and all will be well.

Recall that this is the worst storm since when? Generational forgetting is normal, and NYC, Jersey, Rhode Island, etc., hasn’t seen this. So I will have pity, and not be too hard on people who are now crying for help.

There are going to be some bad moments, but people will also remember and learn. They will also witness some angelic behavior, and some horrible behavior, and they will remember this – that humankind is truly “something else.”

New Orleans learned this seven years ago. I saw some awesome displays of angelic humanity during Katrina and Rita, and also some displays of unbelievable depravity and selfishness.

I saw people humbly accept help that they never expected, and I saw other people grab for whatever they could get and then accuse the giver of not giving enough and try to destroy the giver’s reputation.

I pray for all of those affected, and also pray that now they learn from this and go forward in a positive manner, with what Mother Nature just taught.

cane_loader on November 2, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Donate to mercuryone.org- 100% of your donation goes to disaster relief.

kareyk on November 2, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Via twitchy …

Mike Memoli@mikememoli
Friend in the NYPD says NYC marathon canceled.

pambi on November 2, 2012 at 5:23 PM

NBC NY says NYC will not be run Sunday…

d1carter on November 2, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Text REDCROSS to 90999 to give $10 to American Red Cross Disaster Relief

It’s not much but every little bit helps. It’s times like this we have to realize were all in this together. I’m sure the people down there suffering arent worried about wether or not youre a republican or a democrat.

side note:

I think the NY Mayor is beyond out of touch for wanting to put on a race thru hurricane ravaged parts of town. Good for the new yorkers and others who have a platform who spoke out against that bad idea.

Politricks on November 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Bugger off, you ignorant idiot and re-read my post.

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I seem to recall they were told to evacuate.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Zone A was told to evacuate. Unfortunately, some of the flooding occurred as well in Zone B areas near the ocean.

You really do have your head up your bottom, don’t you? And keep your stupid canned goods if you can’t see to the human need here. We’ll be going out Saturday and Sunday to see what we can do as a family and take care of our own.

Mommynator on November 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I did. Re-read your post, that is. And it was your vicious name-calling which led me to believe you were a died-in-the-wool leftist. I’ve been a conservative my entire life. I really don’t know anyone who would address another human being as you did in the above posts—which, BTW, seem to make my point. You apparently despise the help offered to you and are offended because reasonable people wonder why reasonable preparations weren’t taken. I do not know about Zone A and Zone B. I DO know that when we’ve been warned that a superstorm is on its way, it’s time to do something to help yourself, and I assume people know how high their house is above the water which is just a few blocks away and that that would factor into their preparation.

If you know the electric is going out and you know your water needs electric to run; you fill pots and pans. If you cannot cook, you eat what is perishable before the storm arrives and you get food that will sustain you. You fill the bathtub with water to flush the toilet. You prepare.

I’ve been without and I’ve helped my neighbors and my neighbors have helped me, and was touched and appreciative of their generosity. I’m not sure what one says to someone to whom you offer help and are told to take your canned goods and stuff them. Never encountered that. Not in the West, not in the South.

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

So we’re in to day 3 now. Does anyone remember the coverage from day 3 for Katrina? All the stories of violence and looting and people being rescued from roof tops? The conspiracies about how Bush bombed the levees because he hated black people? The endless gnashing of teeth even on Fox with Shep and Geraldo? The vilification of the response from FEMA?

With Sandy we have much greater devastation, havoc and no better FEMA response. But the coverage hasn’t had that mawkish anger from Katrina. NYC is a city many times the size of New Orleans and it has been brought to its knees. A collection of islands with almost all bridges and tunnels and airports closed. A place whose life blood is a subway system that is all but shut down entirely.

My point here is not to politicize this disaster or even to criticize Obama’s response. Rather it is to highlight the amazingly stark contrast in media coverage between a natural disaster on a R’s watch and one on a D’s watch.

MJBrutus on November 2, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I’m not sure what one says to someone to whom you offer help and are told to take your canned goods and stuff them….

Portia46 on November 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

If I recall correctly, it wasn’t the victims themselves who were saying that. It was some snippy vacuous leftie TV talking-head saying that, presuming to speak for the American Red Cross — in other words, the blabbering idiot was two removes away from the people who were actually hurting and would surely have been glad to have the canned goods.

I apologize for butting in. If my comment wasn’t helpful, please ignore it. It’s just that I’m always sad to see friendly-fire incidents on Hot Air.

Mary in LA on November 2, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Hilton Inn, Staten Island will NOT refuse refugees.
God bless ‘em !!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/hotelcheckin/2012/11/02/new-york-city-marathon-runnersstaten-island-hilton-hotel-owner/1676087/

A lousy link for iPads, btw.

pambi on November 2, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Has that last refugee from Katrina been kicked out of his NYC hotel yet?

slickwillie2001 on November 2, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Katfish on November 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Putting gasoline in the hands of some people and picking up hot lines without training and tools is nuts.

Then there is the fact that gas becomes scarce in most of these disasters.

How about electrical generators that don’t use gasoline and are very cheap to make?

See my posts above.

Those are not my patented ideas but I have others.

Politicians laugh at me.

Banging my head against a wall.

IlikedAUH2O on November 2, 2012 at 7:44 PM

IlikedAUH2O – reading is fundamental – the gist of my post is generators in general are only “ok” versus the challenges / dangers they present – and gensets that don’t require gasoline (i.e. natural gas for instance) are quite pricey and only viable when in place BEFORE disaster strikes

Mass shelters in the short term are much more manageable and safe …………….

Katfish on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

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