Jobs report: 171K jobs added, jobless rate rises to 7.9%

posted at 8:31 am on November 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like a wash from today’s jobs report. The US economy added 171,000 jobs, slightly more than expected, but the jobless rate rose to 7.9% as the household survey adjusted from last month’s outlier. The October survey had 269,000 fewer part-time workers, almost half of the additional 582,000 added in September:

Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 171,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was essentially unchanged at 7.9 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment rose in professional and business services, health care, and retail trade. …

Both the unemployment rate (7.9 percent) and the number of unemployed persons (12.3 million) were essentially unchanged in October, following declines in September. …

The civilian labor force rose by 578,000 to 155.6 million in October, and the labor force participation rate edged up to 63.8 percent. Total employment rose by 410,000 over the month. The employment-population ratio was essentially unchanged at 58.8 percent, following an increase of 0.4 percentage point in September.

Economists expected an additional 125,000 jobs in today’s report, so this did beat expectations.  Otherwise, it’s not terribly remarkable, and the bump upward in the jobless rate more or less counters whatever positive impact the jobs addition has.  This is not enough to argue for a sustained jobs recovery or the beginning of a growth cycle; we saw better numbers in the first quarter, and those didn’t get sustained, either.

The U-6 number didn’t move much from the previous month.  It was 14.7%, and it’s now 14.6%.  When Obama took office, it was 14.2%; six months ago, it was 14.5%.  The overall unemployment situation isn’t improving significantly at all.  The number of people not in the workforce declined by 269,000, but at 88.341 million, it’s still higher than every month this year before August, and it’s 2.28 million higher than it was a year ago.

The participation rates are similarly depressed.  The civilian population participation rate, which measures workforce participation in relation to population size, moved up from 63.6% o 63.8%.  At the beginning of the Obama term, that was 65.7%, and it was 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009.  The employment-population rate, which measures employment in relation to population size, rose one-tenth of a point to 58.8%.  That was 60.6% at the start of Obama’s term, and was 59.4% at the start of the Obama recovery.  We’re still in an unemployment trough, and 171,000 jobs isn’t nearly enough to make up that kind of ground, not even on a consistent basis, which we’ve hardly seen.

CNBC noted those metrics in an oddly positive light:

Economists had been expecting the report to show a net of 125,000 new jobs and a steadying of the unemployment rate at 7.8 percent. Nomura Securities predicted the rate would fall to 7.7 percent, but most expected no change.

Most of the job creation came in the services sector, with a gain of 150,000, while government employment rolls saw a collective decrease of 13,000.

A broader measure of unemployment that includes discouraged workers and those employed part-time who would rather work full-time ticked lower to 14.6 percent.

The labor force participation rate, a key metric that measures those working and looking for jobs, edged higher to 63.8 percent after wallowing around 31-year lows for the past several months.

Those numbers are still “wallowing around 31-year lows.”

James Pethokoukis puts it in perspective:

https://twitter.com/JimPethokoukis/status/264349483637297152

If we were seeing a late surge in real jobs growth — say, 250K+ per month for six months, the 7.9% jobless rate wouldn’t matter.  On the other hand, I’m not sure that people absorb the actual number as much as they absorb their personal experience in the economy — which is why the U-6 number probably matters more, even if most people never hear about it.

Update: Via Drudge, Noel Sheppard notices that incomes declined slightly last month:

The Labor Department reported Friday that despite 184,000 jobs being added to non-farm payrolls in October, average hourly earnings for such employees edged down by 1 cent to $23.58.

Average hourly earnings of private-sector production and nonsupervisory employees also dropped by 1 cent to $19.79.

This continues a trend reported by the Census Bureau in August finding that since the recovery began in June 2009, median household incomes have fallen 4.8 percent adjusted for inflation.

The decline in income relates directly to the health of the labor market.  In a more competitive market, incomes will increase.  This is as good a gauge as any, and again one that workers experience much more personally than U-3 or U-6 numbers.


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I don’t think most of us are sweating Rasmussen. He’s been up and down for months. And if he is in fact polling with a D+3 sample, it means Obama needs strong Dem turnout and weak GOP turnout in order to win. Based on all the reports out there, that’s a pipe dream.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

It’s an R+ election, and Romney has independents locked up. I’m not waiting to see if I got the bike this Christmas, but whether or not I got the nice one, or the economy version of the nice one.

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t care about white people on Staten Island. Americans that won’t support his Autocracy.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Sorry, HAD to be said.

BlaxPac on November 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Doughboy

Rasmussen’s internals are 40/36/24 for D/R/I
Which over samples Democrats and under samples independents by several points
Not sure why he uses this sample but it will not reflect the electorate next Tuesday

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

visions on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

don’t bother, that report was a partisan hit job

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy, I need a therapist. Seriously, I’m tired of the GOP team losing.. (And the stupid midterms don’t count..). If we lose this one, I doubt we’ll win in 2016 given how much our farm team sucks.

Reminder.. Christie wants Romney to lose

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I don’t think most of us are sweating Rasmussen. He’s been up and down for months. And if he is in fact polling with a D+3 sample, it means Obama needs strong Dem turnout and weak GOP turnout in order to win. Based on all the reports out there, that’s a pipe dream.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

The important trend is that Obama gains even as the partisan shift narrows. ABC/Wash Post had it D+7 and Romney was ahead and now Obama leads when the split shrunk to D+4. On Ras, Romney lead by 2 when the split was D+4 and D+5, and now it’s tied when the split narrows to D+3.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

+100 happy nomad @9:38

cmsinaz on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Barack’s Hollywood friends partied hardcore on Halloween while children were washed away.

Barack left the children and the elderly behind.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:44 AM

They’re partying hard while toasting each other over increasing unemployment to 7.9%.

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Can you dispute any of the data?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Can you confirm any of the data?

weaselyone on November 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
And the Rasmussen daily appears to be D+3, for those wondering. Romney up 3 with indies, doing better w/ crossover voters.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Just remember folks to take your inspiration from Lying Sleazebags like gummy and get out that and VOTE, VOLUNTEER AND DONATE!

Galt2009 on November 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM

And its the money that FEMA provides that Mitt Romney described as an “immoral” debt burden on children. I’m not saying the federal government is actually doing the work, but nationally collected resources are FUNDING state’s response…that matters.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

That’s rich, Obama described our crippling debt the exact same way.

Your too much of an snob to admit that though, Mr. CommandOfTheEnglishLanguage.

ShadowsPawn on November 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

And the Rasmussen daily appears to be D+3, for those wondering. Romney up 3 with indies, doing better w/ crossover voters.

that’s nice, since the electorate in reality is R+1 this cycle, we shall do very well indeed

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Doughboy

Rasmussen’s internals are 40/36/24 for D/R/I
Which over samples Democrats and under samples independents by several points
Not sure why he uses this sample but it will not reflect the electorate next Tuesday

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I honestly don’t know either. He did say in an interview last week or the week before that he thinks the turnout will be between D+2 and D+4, and maybe it will be. It seems highly unlikely though if you factor in voter intensity, fundraising, crowds at rallies, absentee ballot requests, and early voting figures. All of it points to a pretty even electorate with the aforementioned indie voters breaking heavily for Romney.

Maybe Rasmussen just doesn’t wanna go out on a limb and predict a Romney landslide, so he’s playing it close to the vest. Even Karl Rove predicted only a close Romney win.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

If we lose this one, I doubt we’ll win in 2016 given how much our farm team sucks.

Reminder.. Christie wants Romney to lose

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Yes dear diva, you write that every day.

Here, have a cookie. Now, back to the kiddie table with you.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Why don’t they run time-delay series correlation analysis on GDP versus tax rates? Why am I not surprised that you would link to such a useless study. Did you even look at it yourself?
blink on November 2, 2012 at 9:50 AM

She’s just cutting and pasting from Dem talking point e-mails. I’ve several troll posts on other conservative boards verbatim identical to hers here.

tommyboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
And the Rasmussen daily appears to be D+3, for those wondering. Romney up 3 with indies, doing better w/ crossover voters.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

And Romney is up by almost a point. 48.4 to 47.6. That means Romney is winning. Back to dry humping PPP for you.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I know. I’m actually insulted that hotair was assigned only a cheap third-stringer like Gumby.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I would have thought we rated better. Perhaps they saved their talent for the Morons and Moronettes (and you know who you are)…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

HUFFPO POLLSTERS CALLS ROMNEY WIN OF POPULAR VOTE!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-lombardo/election-monitor-5-days-t_b_2058155.html

mitchellvii on November 2, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Doughboy

Rasmussen’s internals are 40/36/24 for D/R/I
Which over samples Democrats and under samples independents by several points
Not sure why he uses this sample but it will not reflect the electorate next Tuesday

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

D 40 is an Obama pipe dream. No way in hell they outperform 2008.

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:54 AM

peoplple, forget about that hack CRS study, it was a piece of garbage instigated by the dems

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

You have problems. Quit coming to a message board trolling for responses like, “There there, honey.”

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:54 AM

And Romney is up by almost a point. 48.4 to 47.6. That means Romney is winning. Back to dry humping PPP for you.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

So, Team Liar is not even at 48%.

And somehow, in the Gangster Disciple school of politics, that’s good.

Uh huh.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I would have thought we rated better. Perhaps they saved their talent for the Morons and Moronettes (and you know who you are)…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

They send the obnoxious twits to HA because we aren’t going to be swayed. So they just send them to test our blood pressure meds.

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM

If you saw qhat Scott Rasmussen wrote today, he took the easy way out by saying it’s close.

cw10036 on November 2, 2012 at 9:42 AM

It has been clear for months that Rasmussen has kept his polling within the margin of error in almost 95% of the polls that he conducted… But the internal of his polls always show a very bad situation for Obama… An incumbent polling under 50% in his poll, and most polls means the incumbent is going to lose… In fact in today poll that actually have Romney up slightly over Obama 48.6% to 47.6% (rounded to 48% each) those who are certain to vote are 46% Romney and 44% Obama… This is a disaster for an incumbent…

Anyway I never looked at polls to predict this election… My prediction is that Romney is going to win the election… In my prediction model the two metrics of the winner and loser are favoring him and are very much against Obama… At least 3% of Obama total voters from 2008 are staying home in 2012 and at least 10% of Obama “White Voters” from 2008 are voting for Romney in 2012… These two metrics make it certain that Obama would lose the elections…

mnjg on November 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy, I need a therapist. Seriously, I’m tired of the GOP team losing.. (And the stupid midterms don’t count..). If we lose this one, I doubt we’ll win in 2016 given how much our farm team sucks.

Reminder.. Christie wants Romney to lose

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

No, you dingbatted diva, you need a therapist because you are an emotionally distraught person who inappropriately and cluelessly whines about your mental/emotional state on a public message board, and it makes you look extremely silly and immature, like Joe Biden did while he debated Paul Ryan.

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Barack Obama destroyed the economy and he let children die while he went to parties and campaign events.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I think we have a better candidate than we’ve had in 25 years. And primaries settled on Mitt. Stop with Team sucks already. It is time to get out and do what you can. If Romney wins – we’ll need to keep him honest to his promises.

antisocial on November 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Libfreeordie,

You think you are so smart but you are totally and utterly clueless. Low wages are not due to ” lack of bargaining power” but to lack of jobs. Are you aware that we are in a jobs depression right now? Why do you think private sector workers have been abandoning unions for decades?

And using a disaster to justify big government is a total non sequitur. You think Sandy means we should have government controlled education, healthcare and energy and hike regulations and taxes? Why? Last time I checked government couldn’t even handle a disaster properly. Sandy will be no different.

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM

And Romney is up by almost a point. 48.4 to 47.6. That means Romney is winning. Back to dry humping PPP for you.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM

So, Team Liar is not even at 48%.

And somehow, in the Gangster Disciple school of politics, that’s good.

Uh huh.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Obama is not over 48 in any credible national poll. He is below 50 in almost credible swing state poll. The last few days will make no difference. Romney will win the popular vote and at least 300 EV’s.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

No, you dingbatted diva, you need a therapist because you are an emotionally distraught person who inappropriately and cluelessly whines about your mental/emotional state on a public message board, and it makes you look extremely silly and immature, like Joe Biden did while he debated Paul Ryan.
Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Couldn’t have said it better. The woman ( and who knows if it is really a girl, or someone using a feminine sounding name in order to appear more sympathetic) is just trolling for attention.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Somebody go get Drywall out of the igloo. He needs to be in on this Trollapalooza!

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy, I need a therapist. Seriously, I’m tired of the GOP team losing.. (And the stupid midterms don’t count..). If we lose this one, I doubt we’ll win in 2016 given how much our farm team sucks.

Reminder.. Christie wants Romney to lose

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

When you say “our farm team sucks” whose team are you referring to? You manage to put that phrase into every comment you make, and it just makes you sound stupid, if you are in fact a republican. Not to mention the constant pleas to talk you down from your terminal case of nerves. If you can’t take the pressure, maybe you should stay away from political websites.

Night Owl on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Obama Can Only Lose If Conservatives Vote
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/103112-631626-to-unseat-obama-conservatives-must-vote.htm

In 2007 and 2008, most of the mainstream media did all in their power to simultaneously push Mr. Obama while masking his far-left ideology and his empty resume. Their unethical behavior (which they have doubled-down on in 2012) combined with good Americans choosing to sit out the 2008 election, gave us President Obama and deepened our nation’s decline into mediocrity, insecurity and despair.

For those who have forgotten or did not know, in the 2008 election, Obama won North Carolina by only 14,000 votes. He won Indiana by only 28,000 votes. He won Florida by only 236,000 out of well over 8 million cast.

Just those three states represent 55 out of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory. Three states that Obama squeaked out by less than 280,000 votes. So, yeah: Four million principled conservatives sitting out the 2008 election was a big deal.

That said, he is an incredibly decent and moral man who not only has the best interests of our nation at heart, but will also work from day one to roll back and eliminate the ruinous Obama policies that sabotage and doom the prosperity and welfare of the American people. Most especially, the poor.

One voice does matter. One line drawn in the sand can be critical. And one vote can save a nation.

Principled conservatives must stand up and be counted on Nov. 6. We have no choice.

Galt2009 on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Umm.. because it is true that our farm team sucks.. Seriously, what do you want to bet that Rubio’s campaign is built around Si se puede and cambio.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Over 90 people died, cynical imbecile, not all of them during the storm, some died simply because the rescue teams didn’t get to them in time, some died of hypothermia…it’s NY, idiot, you’d think you know a thing or two about the climate there, people will continue dying in tne days to come, especially the old people stuck at the upper floors of buildings where the elevators don’t work and all…If the power goes down here, in Cali, for instance, it wouldn’t be such a biggie, it’s nice and warm all year round, also there are orchards and farms wherever you turn, subsistence wouldn’t be such a problem, as it is in Gotham city..yet you have an imbecile mayor who decides to hold a marathon and divert important resources from those who need them most, when he has a disaster of this magnitude on his hands…let them eat from the dumpsters, I suppose, so marie antoinette of him…as for tne other idiot in chief, he’s in vegas, heh, alas, again, once the photo session in faux bomber jacket was over in Jersey…time to move on now…

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:02 AM

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Can you dispute any of the data?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I can. Sandy was not even one of the top 10 hurricanes to hit the Northeast.

http://storify.com/DigitalFirst/the-worst-northeastern-u-s-hurricanes

F-

Del Dolemonte on November 2, 2012 at 10:03 AM

And its the money that FEMA provides that Mitt Romney described as an “immoral” debt burden on children. I’m not saying the federal government is actually doing the work, but nationally collected resources are FUNDING state’s response…that matters.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

After skimming how much off the top?

Night Owl on November 2, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Somebody go get Drywall out of the igloo. He needs to be in on this Trollapalooza!
kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Throw in Bayam and we’ve got an all-skate

tommyboy on November 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Sandy worst hurricane to hit northeast in forever! Er, um…

I know, it’s global warming! Er, um… (for our trolls that are having trouble interpreting this, those are major hurricans (Cat 3 or higher) that hit the east coast from 1950-1960

It’s those evil Rethuglicans! Yeah, that’s it! Obama, save us! /sarc

italianguy626 on November 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM

D 40 is an Obama pipe dream. No way in hell they outperform 2008.

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:54 AM

The only way that is feasible is if GOP turnout is down.

Which brings me to your daily public service announcement:

Four days, guys. This is crunch time. The GOP needs every bit of help that they can get. There are still millions of phone calls left unmade, and millions of doors left unknocked. Labor counts. Money probably doesn’t matter now. It’s down to manpower.

I know Ed and AP need the traffic. But take a few hours out today, get out from behind the computer screens, and go down to GOP HQ, and get behind a different set of computer screens. Make some calls for the cause. And if you live in a swing state, especially if you live in PA, where 96% of the vote will occur on Nov 6, get down to GOP HQ, get some walk lists, and talk to your neighbors. You’ll be surprised how many appreciate you working to unseat Heil Obama and his Southside Thugs.

This one is going to go to the team that wants it more. Show them you want it. Show them you want to kick BHO’s arse up between his shoulder blades.

This concludes your daily PSA…

PS… If you go to GOP HQ, I can almost guarantee there will be snacks involved…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Farm team is the Republicans who might run in 2016.. Seriously, Rubio is basically the Latino version of Obama.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Night Owl on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Exactly. She (or whatever it really is, since you never know with these dishonest trolls) always uses the same phrases over and over. And they are always very negative about Republicans’ chances now and in the future.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Umm.. because it is true that our farm team sucks.. Seriously, what do you want to bet that Rubio’s campaign is built around Si se puede and cambio.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Short Answer: Stop worrying about 2016, get through 2012 first.

Get out the vote.

Want to improve 2016 chances? Groom the team you have to work with now, and the rest usually shakes itself loose.

BlaxPac on November 2, 2012 at 10:05 AM

There were mitigating circumstances in New Orleans that prevented a massive rescue operation. Namely the fact that New Orleans is a city surrounded by miles and miles of swamp. Add the low elevation of the surrounding area and you have an area that was completely underwater. Main highways and interstates were submerged, which slowed relief efforts to a crawl.

On top of that you had the massive criminal element hampering rescue operations. These criminals controlled New Orleans until the military showed up in force.

The FEDs are not facing these kinds of problems (at least not to the degree they did during Katrina’s aftermath) in the affected areas.

Even with those circumstances the Coast Guard did manage to evacuate a lot of stranded people in the days after Katrina. Now, that might be happening here, but I haven’t seen any footage or reports about it.

Just a few helicopters dropping off water, MREs and blankets to the devastated areas would go a long way.

Oh and libfreeordie, you can call Sandy a massive hurricane all you want to, in fact it was not a massive hurricane. It was a Category 1 Hurricane that hit right at high tide. The tidal surge caused a great deal of this damage. If this storm had been “massive”, like Katrina, Rita, or Ike, the results would have been much worse.

I’ve dealt first hand with the feds trying to “assist” in a post disaster. Local disaster relief is always more efficient. Photo Ops do not equal disaster relief.

ShadowsPawn on November 2, 2012 at 10:05 AM

A lot of wishcasting by libs… imaginary bumps and surges, mis-weighted polls. Gonna be a lot of heartache next Wed.

spinach.chin on November 2, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Obama is not over 48 in any credible national poll. He is below 50 in almost credible swing state poll. The last few days will make no difference. Romney will win the popular vote and at least 300 EV’s.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

.
Just the idea if this Marxist fraud President is anywhere near 48% is disgusting.

But we do need the final pop vote for Hopey to be 47%…………..

That would make Mitt a …………..Prophet.

FlaMurph on November 2, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Umm.. because it is true that our farm team sucks.. Seriously, what do you want to bet that Rubio’s campaign is built around Si se puede and cambio.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Have you ever considered that it is you and not any body else?

It ain’t workin’ moby.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy, I need a therapist. Seriously, I’m tired of the GOP team losing.. (And the stupid midterms don’t count..). If we lose this one, I doubt we’ll win in 2016 given how much our farm team sucks.

Reminder.. Christie wants Romney to lose

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Then get the heck on whatever team you please, why should we care. do you really have to come here nd whine all day long ?? At least have the decency to wait until the election. Why don’t you whine to your friends, family, etc, and spare us, or are they tired of hearing you too?? Oh, and btw, you are fixated badly on Christie, it really sounds paghological at this point.

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

BTW, it’s not going to be a big crowd for Romney in West Allis, WI, this morning….

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Wait, is this on top of the 800k jobs they added last month, or is this 171k jobs just for this month, or a combination of the two??

KMC1 on November 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM

BTW, it’s not going to be a big crowd for Romney in West Allis, WI, this morning….

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Do you know that from the same retarded bird that told you that walker was going to lose and that Ras will show O up in Iowa looool ;)

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

With that narcissist, its all about the diva.

Attention…diva.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Farm team is the Republicans who might run in 2016.. Seriously, Rubio is basically the Latino version of Obama.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM

That should be your dream candidate :)

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

This is one time where I wouldn’t completely blame Obama’s bad economy. No one wanted to hire you because you are a daft, unpleasant, slow person with admitted emotional problems.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Ready voted for Romney.. And R political insiders don’t usually come to me for candidate advice. I’m just an uber pessimist when it comes to politics because three out of the five elections that I remember involve Ds winning comfortable victories… One of the other ones involved hanging chads. And I really don’t think that the potential 2016 field is that great… Seriously, Christie is dead to me, but it would be hilarious if he had a Hillary Clinton like collapse. Rubio has been a disappointment in the Senate. Ryan is going to get the loser brand. And Jindal cannot give a speech; he tanked his chances in 2009.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Then get the heck on whatever team you please, why should we care. do you really have to come here nd whine all day long ?? At least have the decency to wait until the election. Why don’t you whine to your friends, family, etc, and spare us, or are they tired of hearing you too?? Oh, and btw, you are fixated badly on Christie, it really sounds paghological at this point.
jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I have a feeling that one doesn’t have a whole lot of friends or a significant other to vent to. We are stuck filling the void. Yay.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

BTW, it’s not going to be a big crowd for Romney in West Allis, WI, this morning….

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Do you know that from the same retarded bird that told you that walker was going to lose and that Ras will show O up in Iowa looool ;)

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Nope, just from people there, pics on twitter and the small building it’s being held in.

They had originally moved the location when he was supposed to be here on Monday night to a bigger hall, but did not have to do that today. Again, the hurricane destroyed the momentum he was building. I’m not sure if you are in WI, but this building at State Fair park is staggeringly small.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

HOUSEHOLD DATA HISTORICAL Table A-1
Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years and over, 1977 to date [Numbers in thousands]

ESTABLISHMENT DATA Table B-1
Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail [In thousands]

Last month, the household survey (Table A-1) was an outlier.
This month, the household survey appears to be an outlier again.

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First look at the establishment survey (Table B-1)… [All numbers in thousands]
Total Employees on nonfarm payrolls in Oct. 2011: 131,806
Total Employees on nonfarm payrolls in Aug. 2012: 133,436
Total Employees on nonfarm payrolls in Sept. 2012(p): 133,584
Total Employees on nonfarm payrolls in Oct. 2012(p): 133,755

Change from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012: 1,630
Average change per month from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012: 163
Change from Aug. 2012 to Sept. 2012(p): 148
Change from Sept. 2012(p) to Oct. 2012(p): 171
Average change per month from Sept. 2012(p) to Oct. 2012(p): 160

So the establishment numbers for September 2012 and October 2012 show an average change per month (160) that is very close to, in fact slightly lower than, the average change per month from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012 (163).

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Now look at the household survey (Table A-1)… [All numbers in thousands]

Number Employed Civilian labor force in Oct. 2011: 140,297
Number Employed Civilian labor force in Aug. 2012: 142,101
Number Employed Civilian labor force in Sept. 2012(p): 142,974
Number Employed Civilian labor force in Oct. 2012(p): 143,384

Change from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012: 1,804
Average change per month from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012: 180
Change from Aug. 2012 to Sept. 2012(p): 873
Change from Sept. 2012(p) to Oct. 2012(p): 410
Average change per month from Sept. 2012(p) to Oct. 2012(p): 642

So the establishment numbers for September 2012 and October 2012 show an average change per month (642) that is over three and a half times the average change per month from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012 (180).

The September increase (873) was nearly 5 times the monthly average increase from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012 (180), and the October increase (410) is still well over 2 times the monthly average increase from Oct. 2011 to Aug. 2012 (180).

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It is only because of the combination of those two outlier months in the household survey that the Employment-population ratio has increased from what it was in August (58.3%), to what was reported for October (58.8%). For reference, that ratio was 60.6% in January 2009, 59.1% in August 2009, and averaged 59.1% over the term of Jimmy Carter’s Presidency.

Obama’s average of 58.7% is worse than Jimmy Carter’s average of 59.1%, and even though the 58.8% reported in the preliminary October numbers represents the first month since August 2009 that it’s been above 58.7%, the fact remains that it’s lower than it was under Jimmy Carter.

ITguy on November 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

You have posted that exact same comment many times on different days. Seems suspicious to me. Either you are a MOBY, or you need to seek help fast.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Do you just cut and paste your diatribes from the previous day? Or even thread sometimes?

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Okay… so because it took me six months to get rid of a bad job in this economy

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM

This is one time where I wouldn’t completely blame Obama’s bad economy.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM

:)

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Ready voted for Romney.. And R political insiders don’t usually come to me for candidate advice. I’m just an uber pessimist when it comes to politics because three out of the five elections that I remember involve Ds winning comfortable victories… One of the other ones involved hanging chads. And I really don’t think that the potential 2016 field is that great… Seriously, Christie is dead to me, but it would be hilarious if he had a Hillary Clinton like collapse. Rubio has been a disappointment in the Senate. Ryan is going to get the loser brand. And Jindal cannot give a speech; he tanked his chances in 2009.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I *do*!

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I whine anonymously on political sites rather than whining to my family.. m’kay. And the job thing is because of the economy. So glad I finally found a new one and am leaving the cesspool where I currently work. And yes I am fixated with Christie because he probably cost us the election. I want to make sure everyone remembers this.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Anyone who believes the numbers released by this lying government is a fool.

woodNfish on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Conveniently left below 8%. Few notice the tenth of a change. They see the number below 8% and then gleefully switch their vote to Obama. Pathetic if this is what puts Obama in the lead.

Decoski on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Umm.. because it is true that our farm team sucks.. Seriously, what do you want to bet that Rubio’s campaign is built around Si se puede and cambio.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Have you ever considered that it is you and not any body else?

It ain’t workin’ moby.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM

It’s Troll Day since Barry got handed some bad news.

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Poor gumby. He thinks one Cat 1 hurricane, poorly handled by Obama and Bloomberg, is the key to the Manchurian President staying in the White House.

Sorry. Obama’s toast.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Ok, let’s put this in words even the left wing trolls on this board can understand: 171K new jobs -170K new unemployed = stagnation. and, 7.9% unemployment rate – 7.8% unemployment rate = increase in unemployment.

Even the left with the affinity for creative statistics cannot make chicken salad out of chicken crap.

On the other hand, it’s always fun to watch them reach deep into their backsides and attempt to defy contemporary logic and rational thought.

rplat on November 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I want to make sure everyone remembers this.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

In other words; Look at me! Look at ME!

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:22 AM

NYT Admits: Obama Crowds Not Impressive

Also Obama only had 2600 at the Green Bay rally. NYT

Conservative4ev on November 2, 2012 at 10:22 AM

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:22 AM

There seems to be a lot of that around here nowadays.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Obama crowd counts today: 2,600 in Green Bay; 4,500 in Las Vegas. Not impressive for the last week of a campaign.

Conservative4ev on November 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Been posting here since 2008.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Nope, just from people there, pics on twitter and the small building it’s being held in.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Aww, but the twittervesre also said that bama had smaller crowds than that, both in WI and NE!. That’s coz he’s losing, I suppose…

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Buh-bye, Robb! (Troll who said he’d leave TODAY if unemployment didn’t go down.)

Christien on November 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Oh and libfreeordie, you can call Sandy a massive hurricane all you want to, in fact it was not a massive hurricane. It was a Category 1 Hurricane that hit right at high tide. The tidal surge caused a great deal of this damage.

I’m sorry, but as your critique of the government got you so deluded that you are using Hurricane category ratings to suggest this storm did not cause huge devastation to millions of people? Cause I’d like to hear you say that in NJ right now.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Nope, just from people there, pics on twitter and the small building it’s being held in.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

‘Obama crowd counts today: 2,600 in Green Bay; 4,500 in Las Vegas. Not impressive for the last week of a campaign.’ That’s from Nov 1.

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:26 AM

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Blah, blah. You’re boring now. Quit yelping like a puppy for attention.

I whine anonymously on political sites rather than whining to my family.. m’kay. And the job thing is because of the economy. So glad I finally found a new one and am leaving the cesspool where I currently work.
Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I’m sure any guy would love spending time with you and your whining. You have such a magnetic, winning personality.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Obama crowd counts today: 2,600 in Green Bay; 4,500 in Las Vegas. Not impressive for the last week of a campaign.

Conservative4ev on November 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM

That was yesterday, but no it wasn’t impressive at all.

Romney is in a tiny building at WI State Fair Park right now that holds 4,000. There are some people standing outside to listen. Poor planning by team Romney.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Poor gumby. He thinks one Cat 1 hurricane, poorly handled by Obama and Bloomberg, is the key to the Manchurian President staying in the White House.

Sorry. Obama’s toast.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Funny how the little clay boy completely ignored this post of mine.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the biggest change in employment over the last month affected black workers. In September, the unemployment rate for blacks was 13.4 percent. In October, that number jumped to 14.3 percent, an almost a full percentage point change, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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the unemployment rate remain unchanged for teenagers (23.7 percent)

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Likewise for Hispanics, from 9.9 percent to 10 percent.

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The unemployment rate for adult women shifted up to 7.2 percent from 7.0 percent.

Now, you’re a smart guy KJ, perhaps you can point out to the clueless clay character what all of those groups have in common.

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Seriously, people are willing to give careerist jerk the benefit of the doubt here for some reason.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM

‘Obama crowd counts today: 2,600 in Green Bay; 4,500 in Las Vegas. Not impressive for the last week of a campaign.’ That’s from Nov 1.
jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Ouch. Whatever happened to rockstar Obama?

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Nope, just from people there, pics on twitter and the small building it’s being held in.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

“not going to be a big crowd”??? REALLY???

They’re already well into overflow and reports from the grounds, not directly from the campaign, are that if people aren’t already there they won’t be able to get in because they don’t have the room for them or the time for them to get to where they would need to be to see the event. Pfffft… gumby… harumph!

SteelmanC on November 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Oh and libfreeordie, you can call Sandy a massive hurricane all you want to, in fact it was not a massive hurricane. It was a Category 1 Hurricane that hit right at high tide. The tidal surge caused a great deal of this damage.

I’m sorry, but as your critique of the government got you so deluded that you are using Hurricane category ratings to suggest this storm did not cause huge devastation to millions of people? Cause I’d like to hear you say that in NJ right now.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

This coming from he hypocrite who was saying a minute ago that dang these new jersey and staten island types who want their power restored so fast when they can eat some more fom the dumpsters while the awesomest fed govt struggle with the red tape… Just wow…

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Really?

donkichi on November 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Been posting here since 2008.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Noob.

Narcissist noob at that.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Nope, just from people there, pics on twitter and the small building it’s being held in.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM

West Allis — Several thousand supporters of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney have already assembled inside the Products Pavilion at State Fair Park Friday morning, with thousands more lined up outside.

The pavilion holds some 4,000 people and Romney organizers have lined up overflow space in another building.

Phuck off..Nostradumbass.

HumpBot Salvation on November 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Sorry, ma’am. But, as the great Ron White said (in a sober moment)

You can’t fix stupid.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 10:33 AM

That was yesterday, but no it wasn’t impressive at all.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I know, that’s what I am saying, sounds like he’s losing, man, bot even 3,000 people….Poor planning by team Obama, seriosly, 2,600 people is the sign of a losing campaign. waay better planning by Romney.

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Since when did an anemic 171,000 job growth become excellent? Let’s take a quick look at what happened coming out of the recession Carter left us. These are the monthly job numbers, 1,114.000 (that’s over a million new jobs in one month for the mathematically challenged libs) 271,000, 352,000, 356,000, 447,000, 479,000, 275,000, 363,000, 308,000, 379,000, 312,000, 241,000, 311,000, 286,000, 349,000. Those were the numbers from September 1983 to November 1984. That’s what a recovery looks like.

Capitalist Infidel on November 2, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Been posting here since 2008.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

And you’ve been whining like this since? Jeez….

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Whiners Anonymous Help (WAH!)

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Someone tell Wall Street about the great jobs report…the Dow’s down 28 points

Erich66 on November 2, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Someone tell Wall Street about the great jobs report…the Dow’s down 28 points

Erich66 on November 2, 2012 at 10:38 AM

They got the memo that there would be a secretary of business, if O wins :)

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

One of the things Obama had to do was get government out of the way in order to help New Jersey. He relaxed the regulations on what kind of fuel they had to use. Then he expedited Fema writing a cheque.

If the foolish fuel regulations didn’t exist and states could manage their own disaster money, he wouldn’t have been needed at all.

There is a role for government in a disaster, but it is very limited and certainly no excuse for big government. A smaller government could do just as well in these situations, if not better.

Mitsouko on November 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

WELCOME TO THE NEW “NORMAL”!

GarandFan on November 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Buh-bye, Robb! (Troll who said he’d leave TODAY if unemployment didn’t go down.)

Christien on November 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

I hope gumbey did!

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM

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