Jobs report: 171K jobs added, jobless rate rises to 7.9%

posted at 8:31 am on November 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like a wash from today’s jobs report. The US economy added 171,000 jobs, slightly more than expected, but the jobless rate rose to 7.9% as the household survey adjusted from last month’s outlier. The October survey had 269,000 fewer part-time workers, almost half of the additional 582,000 added in September:

Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 171,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was essentially unchanged at 7.9 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment rose in professional and business services, health care, and retail trade. …

Both the unemployment rate (7.9 percent) and the number of unemployed persons (12.3 million) were essentially unchanged in October, following declines in September. …

The civilian labor force rose by 578,000 to 155.6 million in October, and the labor force participation rate edged up to 63.8 percent. Total employment rose by 410,000 over the month. The employment-population ratio was essentially unchanged at 58.8 percent, following an increase of 0.4 percentage point in September.

Economists expected an additional 125,000 jobs in today’s report, so this did beat expectations.  Otherwise, it’s not terribly remarkable, and the bump upward in the jobless rate more or less counters whatever positive impact the jobs addition has.  This is not enough to argue for a sustained jobs recovery or the beginning of a growth cycle; we saw better numbers in the first quarter, and those didn’t get sustained, either.

The U-6 number didn’t move much from the previous month.  It was 14.7%, and it’s now 14.6%.  When Obama took office, it was 14.2%; six months ago, it was 14.5%.  The overall unemployment situation isn’t improving significantly at all.  The number of people not in the workforce declined by 269,000, but at 88.341 million, it’s still higher than every month this year before August, and it’s 2.28 million higher than it was a year ago.

The participation rates are similarly depressed.  The civilian population participation rate, which measures workforce participation in relation to population size, moved up from 63.6% o 63.8%.  At the beginning of the Obama term, that was 65.7%, and it was 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009.  The employment-population rate, which measures employment in relation to population size, rose one-tenth of a point to 58.8%.  That was 60.6% at the start of Obama’s term, and was 59.4% at the start of the Obama recovery.  We’re still in an unemployment trough, and 171,000 jobs isn’t nearly enough to make up that kind of ground, not even on a consistent basis, which we’ve hardly seen.

CNBC noted those metrics in an oddly positive light:

Economists had been expecting the report to show a net of 125,000 new jobs and a steadying of the unemployment rate at 7.8 percent. Nomura Securities predicted the rate would fall to 7.7 percent, but most expected no change.

Most of the job creation came in the services sector, with a gain of 150,000, while government employment rolls saw a collective decrease of 13,000.

A broader measure of unemployment that includes discouraged workers and those employed part-time who would rather work full-time ticked lower to 14.6 percent.

The labor force participation rate, a key metric that measures those working and looking for jobs, edged higher to 63.8 percent after wallowing around 31-year lows for the past several months.

Those numbers are still “wallowing around 31-year lows.”

James Pethokoukis puts it in perspective:

https://twitter.com/JimPethokoukis/status/264349483637297152

If we were seeing a late surge in real jobs growth — say, 250K+ per month for six months, the 7.9% jobless rate wouldn’t matter.  On the other hand, I’m not sure that people absorb the actual number as much as they absorb their personal experience in the economy — which is why the U-6 number probably matters more, even if most people never hear about it.

Update: Via Drudge, Noel Sheppard notices that incomes declined slightly last month:

The Labor Department reported Friday that despite 184,000 jobs being added to non-farm payrolls in October, average hourly earnings for such employees edged down by 1 cent to $23.58.

Average hourly earnings of private-sector production and nonsupervisory employees also dropped by 1 cent to $19.79.

This continues a trend reported by the Census Bureau in August finding that since the recovery began in June 2009, median household incomes have fallen 4.8 percent adjusted for inflation.

The decline in income relates directly to the health of the labor market.  In a more competitive market, incomes will increase.  This is as good a gauge as any, and again one that workers experience much more personally than U-3 or U-6 numbers.


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This same jobs report in Bush’s 1st term printed 348,000.

Wigglesworth on November 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM

That was the worst economy since the Great Depression or something.

171,000 is PROGRESS, you see.

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I’m sure you’ve heard that the state polls lag the national polls, and that’s been true in the past.

If you had to pick a candidate who has the momentum going into the final weekend, it is most certainly Obama. A number of people on the internet last night commented about how flat Romney was in his appearances yesterday. I’m sure his internals (the real internals) are showing the same collapse that Ras is.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Oh, so in a couple weeks, Obama can erase Romney’s lead in the key battleground states and be back to where he was before that first debate. That sounds like a great strategery. Romney’s leading in Florida. He’s leading in Virginia. He’s leading in Colorado. He’s leading in several polls out of Iowa. He’s neck-and-neck in Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and O-I-H-O(and the latter is hard to predict since we have a bunch of D+8 polls skewing the RCP average). I’m not sure where you’re seeing Obama’s momentum cuz it all seems to be with Mitt right now.

And now you’re claiming to know what the Romney campaign’s internal numbers are based on what a few random people posted on the internet about how he looked on the campaign trail? BTW, he seemed upbeat and energetic at a stop in Virginia yesterday, so it sure didn’t look like he was worried about anything.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

But that’s not the number that caused his numbers to rise this morning. He was polling in the 49-50% range last night to cause the spike today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

And how do you know it wasn’t simply a low number being washed off the back end?

Oh, that’s right… your Chicago public school education failed to teach you properly about rolling averages, and why pollsters use them.

Chicago… giving us ill-prepared thugs for generations, but sticking out now…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Another interesting fact about the new Rasmussen poll is that he has Romney’s lead among Independents down to 3 pts, which is EXACTLY the same trend ABC/Wash Post is showing.

Told Ya So

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Its always good to start the day with random, racist speculation, isn’t it?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Wow, it’s come down to this, has it. Effing stupid commies screaming racist at anybody who isn’t in the tank for the rat-eared wonder.

Get some self-respect you filthy idiot.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Obama ticket up 1 and Romney went down 1. Unless Mitt has a really good day today, Obama will be ahead tomorrow.gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Obama’s at 47.4 in the RCP average which contains numerous polls which oversamples Democrats by 5 plus points and undersamples Republicans. Even if the RCP average was accurate, 47.4 for an incumbent means he’s toast.

Basilsbest on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

See you Tuesday!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Yep, 48% for incumbent 4 days out is doom.

And Obama’s decision to use the hurricane as a photo op is just starting to blow up in his face.

forest on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Um.. Because I’m not all ZOMG Romney’s going to win. Seriously, this is our best shot.. The 2016 field includes a self promoting jerk and a bunch of weak candidates.

Reminder.. self promoting jerk wants Romney to lose.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Another interesting fact about the new Rasmussen poll is that he has Romney’s lead among Independents down to 3 pts, which is EXACTLY the same trend ABC/Wash Post is showing.

Told Ya So

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

See you Tuesday!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Old/busted:
 

Oh I join in with conservatives on their critique of beauracracy, there’s no question about that.
 
libfreeordie on September 27, 2012 at 1:08 PM

 
New just-over-a-month-later hotness:
 

What the storm has done is forcefully illustrate what is morally, and intellectually bankrupt about the GOP’s anti-federal government rhetoric.
 
libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:01 AM

rogerb on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

But the storm hones in on exactly what the government can do to help people and why it needs to be better equipped to do so as hurricanes and sea level rise put more and more people in danger.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Translation: The largest proponents of climate change are also the largest proponents of government spending.

Strange.

weaselyone on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The last UE rate in 1980 before the election was 7.4%

Conservative4ev on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

7.9% is still higher than when he took office.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

ATOMIC BOMB

OMG last unemployment report before election and unemployment rises, it is over, Obama can’t recover from rising unemployment, all people will see is Obama’s economy continues to lose jobs. Face it liberals this report has destroyed all hope of an Obama win.

No president can win when unemployment continues to rise during their presidency and that is what this report shows and it is just before election, these numbers are an ATOMIC BOMB!

Is this how it is done Gumbey :) ? LMAO

Skwor on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

7.9% is still higher than when he took office.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

PROGRESS!

KABOOM!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

What the storm has done is forcefully illustrate what is morally, and intellectually bankrupt about the GOP’s anti-federal government rhetoric. Yes, the federal government is a convenient boogeyman because it seems so disconnected from people on an everyday basis. But the storm hones in on exactly what the government can do to help people and why it needs to be better equipped to do so as hurricanes and sea level rise put more and more people in danger.

I live in NJ you scumbag. There are millions of us freezing without power. There’s a good chance of another noreaster bringing snow next week. This is on the verge of becoming a humanitarian disaster because of Obama’s incompetence. Yet all you do is claim this is a success for federal power… You disgust me.

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

why wouldn’t it ? don’t higher wages correlate to higher consumption and higher tax revenue ? yes, they do. how do you think GOP envisions the treasury gets filled ? by printing more money like you people do ?

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Why else are GOP senators working overtime to suppress non-partisan reports that demonstrate ZERO correlation between the top-line marginal rate and economic growth?

Here’s the data:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/134693051/CRS-Report-Top-Tax-Rates

And here’s the statements from folks at Congressional Research Service on GOP senators strong-arm tactics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/congressional-research-service_n_2059156.html

And you do realize that when your only response is “but those statements were published by Huffpo” or “that data was discovered by a non-conservative” you’ve lost the debate.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

ATOMIC BOMB

OMG last unemployment report before election and unemployment rises, it is over, Obama can’t recover from rising unemployment, all people will see is Obama’s economy continues to lose jobs. Face it liberals this report has destroyed all hope of an Obama win.

No president can win when unemployment continues to rise during their presidency and that is what this report shows and it is just before election, these numbers are an ATOMIC BOMB!

Is this how it is done Gumbey :) ? LMAO

Skwor on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

FORWARD! LOL!

It. Is. OVER. :-)

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Reminder.. self promoting jerk wants Romney to lose.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

You are dishonest and a bore, and you add nothing to the site. Why don’t you go off and do your job, whatever that is.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

The objective analyst from respected the Moody organization is on TV right now saying the jobs report is very good news from America …he said the good news is the jobs are broad based… and that it is especially great that construction jobs are up… he went on to say that the economy is definitely recovering … very good news for the USA and great political news for President Obama …

U2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Why else are GOP senators working overtime to suppress non-partisan reports that demonstrate ZERO correlation between the top-line marginal rate and economic growth?

Here’s the data:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/134693051/CRS-Report-Top-Tax-Rates

And here’s the statements from folks at Congressional Research Service on GOP senators strong-arm tactics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/congressional-research-service_n_2059156.html

And you do realize that when your only response is “but those statements were published by Huffpo” or “that data was discovered by a non-conservative” you’ve lost the debate.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

LOL The Huffington Post, huh?

Just say ‘racism.’ It’s a lot less embarrassing for you than trying to make an argument.

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

What the storm has done is forcefully illustrate what is morally, and intellectually bankrupt about the GOP’s anti-federal government rhetoric. Yes, the federal government is a convenient boogeyman because it seems so disconnected from people on an everyday basis. But the storm hones in on exactly what the government can do to help people and why it needs to be better equipped to do so as hurricanes and sea level rise put more and more people in danger.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Whaaaat?? )…)…Now, if you could just say that in the Downtown Abbey Yorkshire accent, you would sound more credible :)…so, what has the federal govt done exactly, you don’ ‘t even seem to be familiar with the roles of the govt agencies in case of natural disaser. FEMA is a tiny govt agency and all it is supposed to do is write the check, all the relief effort and the first response and rescue work lie with the states. The fed govt does nothing really, other than release the money, our money, btw. Well, the money of those who contribute anyways. So get your facts right before posting nonsense. As for the sea level rising, well, you have to pay the price for choosing to live so close to the sea/ocean, or right on the shore, no? Sea erosion is a normal phenomenon, only idiots think they can live on the beach or close to it, forever. I love in California, it is a known fact here that Highway 1 will end up in the water, in time. You can’t continue building and rebuilding in these places, unless you are insane. My advice, move the heck out of tnese places, the sea levels will not go down, the erosion is goi g to continue to happen. Unless you are implying that the fed govt is going to stop the sea level from rising lool :) well, where obama failed, maybe the federal govt will succeed, is that the reasoning behind this ?? :)…gem of a post of yours?

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

7.9% is still higher than when he took office.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

PROGRESS!

KABOOM!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Y’all will have to forgive the little green piece of shart. Clearly, as he has demonstrated, the Chicago public school system doesn’t really give good lessons in math. Thus, it is quite possible he doesn’t understand that 7.9 is in fact less desirable than 7.8.

Chicago…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I live in NJ you scumbag. There are millions of us freezing without power. There’s a good chance of another noreaster bringing snow next week. This is on the verge of becoming a humanitarian disaster because of Obama’s incompetence. Yet all you do is claim this is a success for federal power… You disgust me.

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Bravo!

rplat on November 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

More indicators of the Obama enthusiasm implosion: Hawaii poll has Obama at only 61%; down 11% from 2008.

The Obama train is plowing through a gravel pit in the wrong direction. I’m waiting on Rasmussen’s update to this. This will be another indicator of just how far out of favor the Obama administration is. The end of September numbers currently make it an R+3 election. Will that tighten up?

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

What the storm has done is forcefully illustrate what is morally, and intellectually bankrupt about the GOP’s anti-federal government rhetoric. Yes, the federal government is a convenient boogeyman because it seems so disconnected from people on an everyday basis. But the storm hones in on exactly what the government can do to help people and why it needs to be better equipped to do so as hurricanes and sea level rise put more and more people in danger.

I live in NJ you scumbag. There are millions of us freezing without power. There’s a good chance of another noreaster bringing snow next week. This is on the verge of becoming a humanitarian disaster because of Obama’s incompetence. Yet all you do is claim this is a success for federal power… You disgust me.

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Instead of improving infrastructure and putting folks back to work, Barry spent trillions of dollars on his friends so that he can spend his last few days in office watching Americans eating out of dumpsters and freezing to death. The man is a criminal — a very, very dimwitted criminal.

FORWARD!

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Yep, 48% for incumbent 4 days out is doom.

And Obama’s decision to use the hurricane as a photo op is just starting to blow up in his face.

forest on November 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

In order to get to 48% today, Obama had to have been around 50% last night. You are going to be shocked at what tomorrow’s Ras will show, and it probably will show up in the ABC/Wash Post out later today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

IT SHOULD NOT TAKE A DECADE TO FIX THIS!

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

U2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AMU2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

These jobs numbers suck, just as you suck at trying to spin the news in Obama’s favor.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Why else are GOP senators working overtime to suppress non-partisan reports that demonstrate ZERO correlation between the top-line marginal rate and economic growth?

you think if you start off with a false premise, above, you can make it less false by attaching links?

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

This is on the verge of becoming a humanitarian disaster because of Obama’s incompetence. Yet all you do is claim this is a success for federal power… You disgust me.

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

But but but….. Weren’t you all graced with a visit by the lightgiver on Wednesday? Surely that should be more than ample compensation for not having power, heat, or gasoline!

Seriously, hang in there.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Coastal erosion that is

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Here’s the bottom line, Obama trolls:

Your President promised 5.2%

The unemployment rate is 7.9%

Your President promised halved deficits.

The deficits are the highest they’ve ever been.

Your President slammed Bush and the GOP for a 7.8% unemployment rate.

The rate is now 7.9% on Obama’s watch.

Your President promised fiscal responsibility.

He’s been the most fiscally irresponsible President in American history.

That’s some record you got there.

See you Tuesday.

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM

In order to get to 48% today, Obama had to have been around 50% last night. You are going to be shocked at what tomorrow’s Ras will show, and it probably will show up in the ABC/Wash Post out later today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

See you Tuesday, troll!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Another troll-heavy thread. No thanks.

changer1701 on November 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

7.9% is still higher than when he took office.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Not according to Obamamath.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Jobs in the energy sector. Drilling, fracking, natural gas, pipelines. Manufacturing, infrastructure, military research and development. All of this can reverse course almost immediately.

Everything Obama has regulated into the ground and stifled. Obama wants to level our prosperity.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Truth abou Ras. Romney up 48.4 to 47.6. That includes leaners. Certain to vote Romney 46, Obama 46.

In other words, you are still an idiot Gumby.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Its always good to start the day with random, racist speculation, isn’t it?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

This President AND his whole damn Administration are failures. The country is not safer or stronger and as a whole we would be better served by ANYONE else except this clown car of hopeless dunderheads.

You couldn’t get me to vote for ANY of them and i’ll be damned if i will defend or approve any of his actions outside of the respect I have for the OFFICE that he held for the past 4 years.

Now, try to call ME a racist, dipstick.

BlaxPac on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Imagine if Obama had come in in 2008 and said that he promises the unemployment rate will be a tick higher than when he walked in the door, and then told you to vote for him based on that.

This is what the Obama trolls here are telling you.

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

OT: Romney won the election at my daughter’s school- 80% Romney 20% Obama. Smith beat Casey for Senate, and Mike Kelly won in a landslide to go back to the House! (Western PA)

Night Owl on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Well.. it’s true isn’t it. Christie does want Romney to lose. As for my job, the current one makes me physically ill; however, I start a new one next week.. I just took me six months to find one.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I live in NJ you scumbag. There are millions of us freezing without power. There’s a good chance of another noreaster bringing snow next week. This is on the verge of becoming a humanitarian disaster because of Obama’s incompetence. Yet all you do is claim this is a success for federal power… You disgust me.

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Oh, OK I think I’m starting to understand conservatism a bit more. You’re confusing “government” with “miracle workers.” One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence. Well no wonder you all are anti-statist, your standards are unbelievably high. Every American is concerned and hopes the best, but if your argument is “it didn’t happen IMMEDIATELY!” that just seems to reflect the intense emotions of people’s fear about what happened, I get it. But a major disaster and subsequent humanitarian crisis would only be worse if it was just individuals on their own trying to survive without the state. Just look at what happens to people in countries where there are weak states, disasters last a lot longer than a week. Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

In order to get to 48% today, Obama had to have been around 50% last night. You are going to be shocked at what tomorrow’s Ras will show, and it probably will show up in the ABC/Wash Post out later today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Oh, goodie. A jamegumb prediction. You can take that to the bank. Just don’t be surprised when the check bounces.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Sorry, certain to vote is 46-44 Romney.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

See you Tuesday, troll!

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

FOUR MORE DAYS! FOUR MORE DAYS! FOUR MORE DAYS!

I am so ready from delivering this nation from our long national experiment in affirmative action over substance.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

gumbyandpokey, chumpThreads, verbaluce, libfreeordie, cornfedbubba, U2denver

You’re cheering this report?

Why do you hate blacks?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the biggest change in employment over the last month affected black workers. In September, the unemployment rate for blacks was 13.4 percent. In October, that number jumped to 14.3 percent, an almost a full percentage point change, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And young people?

the unemployment rate remain unchanged for teenagers (23.7 percent)

And Hispanics?

Likewise for Hispanics, from 9.9 percent to 10 percent.

And women?

The unemployment rate for adult women shifted up to 7.2 percent from 7.0 percent.

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

The objective analyst from respected the Moody organization is on TV right now saying the jobs report is very good news from America …he said the good news is the jobs are broad based… and that it is especially great that construction jobs are up… he went on to say that the economy is definitely recovering … very good news for the USA and great political news for President Obama …

U2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

There is nothing objective about Democrat hack Mark Zandi or his pet project of putting everyone on “stimulative” food stamps.

UNEMPLOYMENT WENT UP TO 7.9%

It’s over.

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Old/busted:
 

You’ll be happy to know that Fox News is doing their part.
 
libfreeordie on August 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM

 
New three-months-later hotness:
 

And you do realize that when your only response is “but those statements were published by Huffpo” or “that data was discovered by a non-conservative” you’ve lost the debate.
 
libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

rogerb on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

In order to get to 48% today, Obama had to have been around 50% last night. You are going to be shocked at what tomorrow’s Ras will show, and it probably will show up in the ABC/Wash Post out later today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

You mean like I was going to be shocked by Rasmussen’s Iowa poll, showing Romney up 1, or their WI poll, showing a tie. Did you not tell us they were going to show Team Greasy Liar was putting the race out of reach, according to a friend of a major talk show host?

You’re a filthy greasy liar, just like your boss and the rest of the thugs from the South Side. And apparently, they picked their less gifted hacks for HotAir detail.

Rank amateurism, really…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Why else are GOP senators working overtime to suppress non-partisan reports that demonstrate ZERO correlation between the top-line marginal rate and economic growth?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Why have Dem senators worked overtime for 3 years to suppress a budget?

weaselyone on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

UNEMPLOYMENT WENT UP TO 7.9%

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

In headline font, really.

Because, that’s your headline…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I’m sure you said that after Hurricane Katrina, too. Din’t you, perfesser?

Gimme a break.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

What the storm has done is forcefully illustrate what is morally, and intellectually bankrupt about the GOP’s anti-federal government rhetoric. Yes, the federal government is a convenient boogeyman because it seems so disconnected from people on an everyday basis. But the storm hones in on exactly what the government can do to help people and why it needs to be better equipped to do so as hurricanes and sea level rise put more and more people in danger.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:01 AM

So, to you,a few good photo ops= successful disaster response?

There’s video of New Yorkers eating out of dumpsters yesterday, but as long as your guy got his mug on page one that’s all that counts…

spinach.chin on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Have you read the Congressional Research Service’s report on the relationship between the top marginal tax rate and economic growth over the past 100 years? Yes or no.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I wake up, read Ed’s well written summary of the labor report. Then I glance at the comments and lo, it’s yet another Gumby-fest. What a waste of a good website!

Please just give Gumby his own column and don’t let him post on other threads, that way I can at least ignore him while enjoying the rest of Hot Air.

happytobehere on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday…

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Err, what? It was a category 1. It barely qualified as a hurricane…

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

You’re cheering this report?

Why do you hate blacks?

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

OF COURSE THEY’RE CHEERING IT…IT’S THE NEW NORMAL!!

ToddPA on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

You’re confusing “government” with “miracle workers.”

Actually, that’s what the Obama campaign and his sycophants across the country have been preaching.

The conservative position is that the government is a necessary evil, and nothing more.

But do continue.

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence

No, what we’re takign issue with is your attribution of ‘handling’ it to something Obama did.

He’s currently fundraising and campaigning. Yeah. He’s doing a helluve a job ‘handling’ things.

Well no wonder you all are anti-statist, your standards are unbelievably high. Every American is concerned and hopes the best, but if your argument is “it didn’t happen IMMEDIATELY!” that just seems to reflect the intense emotions of people’s fear about what happened, I get it. But a major disaster and subsequent humanitarian crisis would only be worse if it was just individuals on their own trying to survive without the state. Just look at what happens to people in countries where there are weak states, disasters last a lot longer than a week. Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM


That’s not what you morons were saying during Katrina.
You said exactly the opposite. Kind of funny how that flipped 180 degrees for you chumps, isn’t it?

QED

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Have you read the Congressional Research Service’s report on the relationship between the top marginal tax rate and economic growth over the past 100 years? Yes or no.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Have you read “The Cat in the Hat”?

weaselyone on November 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Obama 2008: 7.8%
Obama 2012: 7.9%

Obama’s promise by 2012: 5.2%

Have you read that? Yes or no.

Good Lt on November 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Holy crap! It looks like all the trolls are here. Never saw that before.

They know, and it scares them to no end.

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Oh, OK I think I’m starting to understand conservatism a bit more. You’re confusing “government” with “miracle workers.”

Why not, liberals demanded it of Bush.

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence.

Are you talking about Katrina?

Well no wonder you all are anti-statist, your standards are unbelievably high. Every American is concerned and hopes the best, but if your argument is “it didn’t happen IMMEDIATELY!” that just seems to reflect the intense emotions of people’s fear about what happened, I get it.

No, you don’t get it. We’re pissed that Utility workers are being sent back from Jersey by unions. Liberal idealism. We’re made because they’re using generators for a public event while citizens are near freezing without power because of nanny bloomberg. Where’s Bronco Bamma?

But a major disaster and subsequent humanitarian crisis would only be worse if it was just individuals on their own trying to survive without the state. Just look at what happens to people in countries where there are weak states, disasters last a lot longer than a week. Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Again, are you talking about Katrina?

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

You are going to be shocked at what tomorrow’s Ras will show, and it probably will show up in the ABC/Wash Post out later today.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

That is borderline hysterical. We hear that from you every day. Every day when it doesn’t happen, you run away like a coward only to return later and ignore the failure of your previous predictions about a particular poll.

ShadowsPawn on November 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

cozmo on November 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

That’s what I said. Their Obama Money is about to go away.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Sorry, certain to vote is 46-44 Romney.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

10% undecided? Gee, I wonder how those voters are gonna break at this stage of the election.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Obama dishonesty at its best. We added 170K? How many were public sector? How many were LOST? PLUS, we need roughly 225K per month to keep up with population growth. The real number is nearly 15% and 1 of 5 men is unemployed! It’s BULLSH*T, and the evil crooked media lets these criminals get away with this con month after month after month.

bob77 on November 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I have heard of CRS oh, and WSJ > NYT

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Truth abou Ras. Romney up 48.4 to 47.6. That includes leaners. Certain to vote Romney 46, Obama 46.
In other words, you are still an idiot Gumby.
milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Look, the desperate Obama supporter Gumby had slim pickin’s when it came to finding good news for Obama this morning. He had to grab onto the only thing he could. Can you blame him? Gumby couldn’t exactly tout the rise in the jobless rate under Obama, so he has been reduced to hoping and praying for some kind of nonexistent hurricane poll bounce. This is not a whole lot different from when he desperately predicted poll balances after the big bird ad, last month’s jobs report, the vice presidential debate, the second presidential debate, and the final debate… all of which produced no poll bounces for Obama despite Gumby’s wishful thinking, which he loudly shared with us daily in so many spammy comments.

It has been said before, but it is worth repeating: the Obama supporter Gumby has what can only be described as the reverse midas touch. It’s the Gumby jinx!

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Let’s see whose opinion should I trust on the state of the economy …first we have Bluegill a rightwing/GOP political hack …or we can trust an objective financial expert from the highly respected Moody organization… well since I am intelligent I will go with the financial expert from Moody’s who says today’s job repoet is very good news for America

U2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I live in

njrob on November 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Oh, OK I think I’m starting to understand conservatism a bit more. You’re confusing “government” with “miracle workers.” One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence. Well no wonder you all are anti-statist, your standards are unbelievably high. Every American is concerned and hopes the best, but if your argument is “it didn’t happen IMMEDIATELY!” that just seems to reflect the intense emotions of people’s fear about what happened, I get it. But a major disaster and subsequent humanitarian crisis would only be worse if it was just individuals on their own trying to survive without the state. Just look at what happens to people in countries where there are weak states, disasters last a lot longer than a week. Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Nonsense. I can’t believe you are so removed from reality. it’s the state that are in charge when disasters like this strike, not the fed govt. the states are in charge with the relief work and the rescue operatioms amd the assessment of the disaster. get your facts straight before spouting your statist nonsense here. All the fed govt had to do (through freaking FEMA) was release the money, if possible without wny red tape, and get out of the way. The only fed agency that may be required with the humanitarian part of a disaser is the military, but the most part they would have more of a law and order role, possibly transportimg and distributing goods.

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Sorry, certain to vote is 46-44 Romney.

milcus on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

10% undecided? Gee, I wonder how those voters are gonna break at this stage of the election.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

They will break the same way the Independents are breaking on Ras and ABC trackers…to Obama.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

CRS = congressional research office, for those who are lost

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:36 AM

10% undecided? Gee, I wonder how those voters are gonna break at this stage of the election.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

75 to 80% for Romney of course. Although somewhere between 1.5 to 2% will beg for people to pay attention to them by voting other.

NotCoach on November 2, 2012 at 9:36 AM

But but but….. Weren’t you all graced with a visit by the lightgiver on Wednesday? Surely that should be more than ample compensation for not having power, heat, or gasoline!

Seriously, hang in there.

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

He does look really sexy in that leather jacket. I almost passed out.

eyedoc on November 2, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Well.. it’s true isn’t it. Christie does want Romney to lose. As for my job, the current one makes me physically ill; however, I start a new one next week.. I just took me six months to find one.

Illinidiva on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

You sound like a soap opera.

Are you seeing a decent therapist? If not, make it a priority to FIND ONE!

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 9:37 AM

UNEMPLOYMENT WENT UP TO 7.9%

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

In headline font, really.

Because, that’s your headline…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

It’s the headline everyone will be thinking of from now until Tuesday — that, and folks eating out of dumpsters because of Democrat incompetence.

Question, Democrats: Where did all the infrastructure $$$ go?

oh, AND…

UNEMPLOYMENT WENT BACK UP TO 7.9%

Punchenko on November 2, 2012 at 9:37 AM

So Barry goes from 47 to 48 and this means he’s gonna win the election……really? Relax people, this is all within the margin of error. This is no “bump” by any stretch of the imagination. If that’ s all he gets from Sandy it won’t be enough. And the jobs report is encouraging but doesn’t really change anything. LSM spin doesn’t work any more. Voters have already made up their minds. State polls are trending to Romney. And an incumbent at 47-48% support will not win.

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Predictive Markets Update:

Newsflash: Major Odds change!

Obama increases to a 3.25:1 favorite:

Wed: 2.0:1
Thur: 2.1:1
Fri: 2.15:1
Sat: 2.25:1
Thur 3:0:1
Fri: 3.25:1

Obama is surging in all swing state polls. The hurricane has allowed Americans to reconsider what really matters. Wall St. and economic data still decent. Romney is desperately searching for another path to 270 with weird ads and visits to safely Democratic states. Hot Air “half-full” poll reports now degenerating into “1/3 full” poll reports. No discussion of the electoral map anywhere?????

Think for yourselves and do your own research..

http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/sport/2012-10-23/presidential-election-odds-2012-barack-obama-mitt-romney-debate-white-house

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner

http://sports.bovada.lv/sports-betting/political-props.jsp

ZippyZ on November 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM

One of the biggest hurricanes to ever hit the north east happened on Monday and Tuesday, and by Friday the state’s inability to completely restore power to everyone is evidence of government’s total incompetence.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

OMG! What a filthy liar you are! You bastards were out there attacking GWB when New Orleans wasn’t back to normal two days after Katrina and, yet, you want to give the administration of the rat-eared wonder full latitude now???

Happy Nomad on November 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM

You’re a filthy greasy liar, just like your boss and the rest of the thugs from the South Side. And apparently, they picked their less gifted hacks for HotAir detail.
Rank amateurism, really…
JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I know. I’m actually insulted that hotair was assigned only a cheap third-stringer like Gumby.

bluegill on November 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM

U2denver on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Says the Left wing/Donk political hack.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Where did I cheer lead the report again?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:40 AM

They will break the same way the Independents are breaking on Ras and ABC trackers…to Obama.

gumbyandpokey on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

It’s gonna be sad with you gone from here come next Wednesday. Well actually it’ll be great. I just don’t wanna kick you on the way out the door.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:40 AM

A Congressional Reasearch report that miraculously shows up, without a request from a member of congress, by a hack who donated to obama campaign and worked for clinton, right in the middle September. Coincidence?

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Do you expect that moron to answer any of your questions,, he will spout more statist nonsense, it’s what he is programmed to do…but hey, he can do it both in a Detroit accent as well as in a Downtown Abbey Yorkshire one :)….

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Barack Hussein Obama is letting people die on Staten Island. Children and the elderly. He left them all behind. They are dying.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Where did I cheer lead the report again?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:40 AM

PomPoms.

weaselyone on November 2, 2012 at 9:42 AM

If you saw qhat Scott Rasmussen wrote today, he took the easy way out by saying it’s close.

cw10036 on November 2, 2012 at 9:42 AM

jimver on November 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

And its the money that FEMA provides that Mitt Romney described as an “immoral” debt burden on children. I’m not saying the federal government is actually doing the work, but nationally collected resources are FUNDING state’s response…that matters.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t care about white people on Staten Island.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

So Barry goes from 47 to 48 and this means he’s gonna win the election……really? Relax people, this is all within the margin of error. This is no “bump” by any stretch of the imagination. If that’ s all he gets from Sandy it won’t be enough. And the jobs report is encouraging but doesn’t really change anything. LSM spin doesn’t work any more. Voters have already made up their minds. State polls are trending to Romney. And an incumbent at 47-48% support will not win.

breffnian on November 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I don’t think most of us are sweating Rasmussen. He’s been up and down for months. And if he is in fact polling with a D+3 sample, it means Obama needs strong Dem turnout and weak GOP turnout in order to win. Based on all the reports out there, that’s a pipe dream.

Doughboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Barack’s Hollywood friends partied hardcore on Halloween while children were washed away.

Barack left the children and the elderly behind.

nitzsche on November 2, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Have you read the Congressional Research Service’s report on the relationship between the top marginal tax rate and economic growth over the past 100 years? Yes or no.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Do you have balls in your mouth right now? Yes or no?

spinach.chin on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

But a major disaster and subsequent humanitarian crisis would only be worse if it was just individuals on their own trying to survive without the state.

Yes, because we all know the Department of Survival is just READY to swing into action during a crisis.

Oh wait…

Just look at what happens to people in countries where there are weak states, disasters last a lot longer than a week. Can we at least give our government a week to assess how they are doing?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Gee, Libby, were you that generous when the hurricane hit during Bush term of office, or were you one+968 of the phony liberals (redundant) bleating about how he wanted all the poor Black children to be washed away to the sea so Halliburton can profit?

BlaxPac on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

But Obama’s handing out dumpster maps in Staten Island as fast he can print them. so there.
/punkybeechy

tommyboy on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Have you read the Congressional Research Service’s report on the relationship between the top marginal tax rate and economic growth over the past 100 years? Yes or no.

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

It’s 2012, not 1945. America isn’t the only game in town anymore. There used to be a time when Europe was fighting (and then slowly rebuilding), Japan hadn’t modernized, China hadn’t modernized, etc. The U.S. was literally the only place for modern industry in the world.

That’s why the government could get away with high taxes. That’s why business did well despite high taxes: there was no place else to go. That’s why unions could demand illogical things (like discriminating against blacks, BTW): there was no place else to go. History doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

Remember this when people like Krugman, Obama, etc. pine for 1950′s economic policy. They’re living in an alternate reality.

visions on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

+100 good lt @9:30

Spot on

cmsinaz on November 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM

And its the money that FEMA provides that Mitt Romney described as an “immoral” debt burden on children. I

again, false. Mitt never talked about FEMA.

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

A Congressional Reasearch report that miraculously shows up, without a request from a member of congress, by a hack who donated to obama campaign and worked for clinton, right in the middle September. Coincidence?

runner on November 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Can you dispute any of the data?

libfreeordie on November 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

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