Documents found in Benghazi consulate claimed “troubling” surveillance by Libyan guards; Update: Obama not participating in investigation; Report: State never requested military back-up during attack

posted at 4:41 pm on November 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

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Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

The two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound on what would turn out to be a tragic day. They also indicate that Stevens and his team had officially requested additional security at the Benghazi compound for his visit — and that they apparently did not feel it was being provided.

One letter, written on Sept. 11 and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Benghazi, reads:

“Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.”

I’ve been begging for follow-up on Sean Smith’s now famous chat-room message, sent on the morning of 9/11, claiming that a Libyan guard had been seen taking photos of the compound. “Assuming we don’t die tonight,” he said glibly at the time. Until today that was the only hard evidence of an inside job by the skeleton Libyan security staff that State forced Stevens to make do with. Had Smith overreacted to something he saw, maybe, or were others at the compound also concerned? Now we know.

They were so concerned, in fact, that they alerted not only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but the local police chief too. Funny thing: According to Foreign Policy, the chief was fired just one week later — but refused to step down and is technically still on the job, albeit on “sick leave.” And what about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? The head of the local office claims that he never got any letter from the consulate — but the local police office says that it was, in fact, the Ministry that notified them of the consulate’s request for more police during Stevens’s upcoming visit. Here’s how that went:

“On Sunday, September 9, 2012, the U.S. mission requested additional police support at our compound for the duration of U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens’ visit. We requested daily, twenty-four hour police protection at the front and rear of the U.S. mission as well as a roving patrol. In addition we requested the services of a police explosive detection dog,” the letter reads.

“We were given assurances from the highest authorities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that all due support would be provided for Ambassador Stevens’ visit to Benghazi. However, we are saddened to report that we have only received an occasional police presence at our main gate. Many hours pass when we have no police support at all.”

Normally I’d chalk up the lying to simple ass-covering after a gigantic security embarrassment, but given the element of an inside job introduced by the documents, I don’t know. In a city under the thumb of militias, how unlikely is it that people at the Ministry or inside the local police bureau were warned to keep security low at the consulate that night? Foreign Policy notes too that this new info contradicts a briefing given by the State Department on October 9 in which they claimed that there had been no security incidents at the consulate that day. A guard taking photos of the compound does, I trust, normally qualify as a “security incident,” so now we have a new question for the White House. Did State know about the guard snapping pics? If it did, why didn’t they rush some of the security assets in place in Tripoli and Italy to the consulate out of an abundance of caution on the anniversary of 9/11? If they didn’t, why wasn’t basic security at the consulate increased beforehand anyway as the consulate had been requesting for months?

Via RCP, here’s Catherine Herridge from Fox last night reminding you what State did, indisputably, know and what they chose not to do about it. Look out for the words “smoking gun.” Al Qaeda had training camps in the city and the consulate had next to no protection, and that’s somehow not enough to warrant sending extra security?

Update: If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him. Disgrace:

Today, the White House press secretary let it slip during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that President Obama’s inaction on the Benghazi situation now extends to inaction on the supposed investigation taking place. The administration has still not made clear what exactly is being investigated, or the extent of the investigation. And President Obama doesn’t much care. Said Carney:

“He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.”

That’s from Ben Shapiro, who rightly notes that the investigation into what happened when the consulate requested help likely extends not much further than Obama’s own desk. He could tell us what he knew and what he did after the attack began, but he won’t because he cares about the election more than answering the public.

Update: Defense officials have decided that they’re not going to be the fall guys for the Barack and Hillary Show. New from Eli Lake:

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith, both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

But military backup may have made a difference at around five the following morning, when a second wave of attackers assaulted the CIA annex where embassy personnel had taken refuge. It was during this second wave of attacks that two ex-SEALs working for the CIA’s security teams—Glenn Dougherty and Tyrone Woods—were killed in a mortar strike…

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.”

The president, however, would have the final say as to whether or not to send in the military.

Typically it’s the ambassador who’s responsible for calling in the military, says Lake, but since Stevens was out of contact (and likely dead) early on, it was State’s call. Why didn’t they make it? Bear in mind that they likely had no firm idea about Stevens’s fate until the attack was over; for all they knew, he was holed up in the consulate somewhere waiting for the cavalry. Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?


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azblondie on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Also, for a narcissist if there are a few bestsellers outlining what really happened, it would be one of the worst things that could happen. His image would be decimated forever.

I fully expect to see a slew of books of this. Political books are written on everything under the sun, and these would be guaranteed money for the authors.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 8:43 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Now that I got the word that you are just repeating your same nonsense, and Clintonesque nonsense I might add, on thread after thread, I’ll not likely bother with answering your basically saying the same malarkey over and over.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

How they missed the chance to capture him is a mystery. All they had to do was surround the building and wait for him to be smoked out.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Just one reason to consider it a “kill” mission.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM

rogerb on November 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Not at all rogerb, you are one of the ones here I admire most. Some folks have tried to mimic your style, ( a form of flattery by the way), but there will only ever be one rogerb. ; )

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM

THIS is how they carried the Ambassador to the hospital…

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassador-in-the-streets/us-ambassador-libya/

I have also seen a pic of his dead body in the morgue. Gruesome to say the least.

UnderstandingisPower on November 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Now that I got the word that you are just repeating your same nonsense, and Clintonesque nonsense I might add, on thread after thread, I’ll not likely bother with answering your basically saying the same malarkey over and over.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Not sure why others keep missing the point. Its like Axelrod Jr. droning on and on and on… Our military is clueless, Admirals and generals are clueless, high CIA guys are clueless, everyone is clueless save for this idiot. Endlessly repeating Hussein talking points…

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS has been all over this evening. This is the 3rd report she’s filed.

New documents reveal events leading up to Benghazi attack

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I have also seen a pic of his dead body in the morgue. Gruesome to say the least.

UnderstandingisPower on November 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Yes, asphyxiation does that.

Way too many gullible people around.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM

blink on November 1, 2012

Say some more of your guys at Penn State got charged.

For doing nothing right?

Don’t bother.

CW on November 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

INC on November 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

That editorial gets right to the heart of the problem…Wow!

d1carter on November 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Being officious and pedantic is one of the reasons that people are annoyed with you, blink.

I am cognizant of who actually wrote it, and that the radio show was partially scripted.

I have also just realized, by looking through a few recent archives, what it is with which some of the other posters are annoyed.

Let me ask you this: have you written your congressmen and asked for an independent investigation of the attack on the consulate in Benghazi?

That is probably the single most proactive thing you could do, at this time, to try and unravel what really occurred there and who is responsible for the obvious failures there. Put some pressure on your congressmen to open an independent investigation.

The fact is that none of us is in possession of enough credible information to be able to make the call about what occurred in Benghazi. That’s why there must be an independent investigation.

Our personnel, both military and civilian, who serve in the interest of this nation, need to be able to rely on the fact that if they need help it will be forthcoming and they will not be left to die in some hell hole.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Way too many gullible people around.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You’re right. It is makes much more sense to spread misinformation, theories and innuendos than to err on the side of caution and waiting for those annoying little buggers known as facts.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

d1carter on November 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

It’s scorching.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

New Benghazi thread up, folks.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I think critical in general but this is very situational.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I just listened to the talking heads say that it’s Mitt’s responsibility to make this an issue in the final days of the campaign. Here is what I want to hear Mitt say: If you elect me President, I promise you I will get to the bottom of what led to the deaths of four American citizens serving their country in Bengazi. If you re-elect Obama, you will never hear what really happened.

No further comment.

Jurassic P on November 1, 2012 at 8:59 PM

…than to err on the side of caution and waiting for those annoying little buggers known as facts.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You may have to wait a long time for these buggers.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Jurassic P on November 1, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Good idea, but we’re dealing with Mitt Romney here.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

You’re right. It is makes much more sense to spread misinformation, theories and innuendos than to err on the side of caution and waiting for those annoying little buggers known as facts.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You mean the fact that Petraus said its just a spontaneous event in response to a web video? 3 DAYS after the frigging attack? On TV? Contradicting latest CIA “timeline”?

Or the fact that Petraus has VANISHED since that day and all we have is this “timeline” now.

Right after first round of denials I said to my wife that these deliberate crooks and murderers WILL BLAME the murdered and will find a way to do so. Now we see proof of that.

If there is nothing to hide, where is Petraus?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

There is another diauko (something like that) boy, does he think I am the most ignorant person in the world. Since I can’t remember his exact name, I guess he is right.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Handle comes from ‘daily kos kuckoo’. An admission I guess.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I’m wondering at this point if the President has given any thought to what the post-election situation is going to be should he be re-elected. You **KNOW** Issa will be calling for more formal hearings and perhaps an Independent Investigator for how Benghazi was handled. Why didn’t the President call out the FEST team? Why was the Consulate so weakly defended in the first place? Why was the first DSS team removed on August 15th? Why was Ambassador Stephens’ plea for more security because the compound could not stand against an organized assault dated August 16th, denied?

Still far more questions than answers and the positions responsible for answering these questions keeps growing higher and higher in the food chain.

Next question is…what happens if Governor Romney wins? The President is gone in January and along with him all of the senior positions that may have made the calls on Sept 11th. An investigation will likely continue but to what end? We will learn who failed to do their jobs and that is all.

Pilgrim on November 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It may be that one but I’ll be honest, I get the passive aggressive label a lot.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

You may have to wait a long time for these buggers.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM

True, but we know more facts this evening than we did this morning. As hard as they may try, the media can no longer keep a lid on this. The networks and their advertisers are being hammered with phone calls, social media postings, emails, even protests in front of their TV stations. It may finally be working.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Maybe Beck will. Check out the video.

Cody1991 on November 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Without a time limit, like today, what good will it do?

Night Owl on November 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM

There is another diauko (something like that) boy, does he think I am the most ignorant person in the world. Since I can’t remember his exact name, I guess he is right.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Daikokuco.

I couldn’t spell it either. I had to cut and paste the name from my “ignore unless really bored” list.

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Obviously, you read the part about the attack coming in waves. After the first wave, it’s possible that they thought the attack was over.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Sure, MOBY, that must be it.

Fog of war, you know.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I use the word protagonist when I actually meant antagonist, and you would have thought the world as we know it was ending. It was a lot of fun.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Munford is not passive aggressive.

SparkPlug on November 1, 2012 at 9:16 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Oh wait, maybe that was the one who said he always had to approach me with a hazmat suit and tongs, that was someone different. Equally fun though.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 9:16 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I think you and I may be suffering from the same problem. I don’t read your responses as officious and rude but just another possibility. I don’t know if riddick is right or wrong or if you are, none of us do. My openness to hearing all sides is what gets me labeled as passive aggressive.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

How many Hot Air commenters agree with riddick about this?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

More than believe your efforts to mitigate white house perfidy and cowardice, MOBY.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM

There is no video of Stevens’ body being “dragged through the street.”

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Well, but, there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8K9MyunGQ

I’m not a big Savage fan, and I much appreciate your restraint: it is only fair, but there is this thing called “my gut”, and it tells me, this smells really, really ugly! Hugs dear! We’re on the same side, and I absolutely revere your hard work and restraint! I’m not as nice a person as you are, I’m afraid!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Add in 2 dead marines from the rescue team that was sent to secure 30 others at the place. As much heroes as the murdered SEALs.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Wounded…not killed.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

How many Hot Air commenters agree with riddick about this?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Me! But then again, I dream of opposable thumbs!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Where are the videos?

Where are the recordings of the radio calls?

Where are the phone records and situation room logbooks?

Who was on duty on SEP 11th during this attack?

We want to hear from them.

Where are the survivors who escaped and what did they see?

What was the president doing and what decisions did he make?

How can we be confident, that if elected, that he won’t leave the rest of us to burn and die while he skates off to feel up beyonce’???

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

All of the audio and video has been classified Top Secret.

The 37 other Americans – whom d’ohbama was prepared to sacrifice, along with the other four – have not been identified; and have probably been warned (threatened) not to talk about this – since it’s all Top Secret.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM
And I am tasked to explain why blink is a troll. Benghazi thread after thread, same crap.

Have no idea why people keep feeding it after a number of threads went to trash in quick order.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Whether he is a troll or not, don’t know. But I certainly see a pattern of excuses as to why nothing was done to assist the Consulate & the Seals. Sounds like Carney, et al to me. A Defender of B.O. imo. I don’t like seeing anyone cast doubt against our Military period!!!

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

With all of the real-time live video, live audio from on the ground assets, written warnings and calls for help. I honestly don’t get the “fog-of-war” explanation…

Strike Hornet on November 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Are you claiming that no assets were repositioned from the east coast of the US and from Germany to Sigonella after the attack started?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Odd. Why, just a day or so ago, you were demanding proof that asset (SpecOps forces) HAD been deployed.

And you were adamant that it would have taken them much too long to have arrived during the battle.

Sure sounds MOBYish to me.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Goodness gracious, blink a troll, Dire with obscene smiley faces, one minute bans! What the heII is HA turning into? Funny! ; )

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Has anyone checked to see if the Seventh Seal is still intact?

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Before I leave this thread I just have to say that that picture used frequently for Benghazi threads reminds me of a cross between Travolta in “Saturday Night Fever” and Pacino in “Scarface”.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

YOU GOTTA READ THE VEGAS REVIEW JOURNAL.

Hat tip to gopher girl

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Benghazi has nothing to do with “incompetence”. Nor ability to get into Libyan air space. This was a deliberate hit on our ambassador. Arranged by our own government in cooperation with Libya. No other way to read into this.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM
How many people on here agree with riddick?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

A lot more plausible than your statement insulting our Military.

Obama had no trouble flying into Libya’s air space to take out Qaddafi.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

U r welcome friend! You’ve done the heavy lifting, I’ve added only a root. :)

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 10:17 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM
I haven’t made any excuses.

You never answered my questions.

Do you really want to discuss what the military is for or were you just trying to make me look bad?

Did you take a look at the Defense Quadrennial Review?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

What was your question?

I know what our Military is for and all American Citizens know that. Don’t you?

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

How quickly we eat each other over the simple differences of reasoning that comes from seperate life experiences. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it, as they are to take facts as experience dictates. Unfortunately for me I use a stoic realism that’s rarely taken objectively. That said here is how I see it all, an operator somewhere saw something that they didn’t like, they reported that to those in the room and a decision was made not to send help based of that info. Why and what did they see. Not sure, on speculation, but when Desert One went down it ruined Carter and that was our own fault. Imagine a rescue team flying in and being blown out by shoulder fired rockets we supplied the rebels with. Wouldn’t be the first time that has happened recently, or a Spooky gunsghip being blasted out of the sky, all huge headlines and harder to cover up for sure plus instant sticking to all those teflon politiocians in the room, period! Even if we didn’t supply them the rescue mission gone bad, would be political enough to say no.

In regards to the Director of the CIA. This may be hard to swallow, and none of us may want to stand for it gbut the truth is we pay this guy to lie and do terrible thing according to certain codes of honor some of us go by. The reality is they even lie to us, has been going on since the OSS days, why is it we seem surprised. The guy has trained for 40 years as counter everything, and now he is the head spook. We somehow thought that this wasn’t going to happen? Really! We as a concerned public need to hold the elected officials accountable, we have the power we just need to exercise it, apathy in the face of mob rule is no longer and option!

MarshFox on November 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

So, do you really want to have a discussion about what the Defense Quadrennial Review says that our military “are for?”

Or were you just trying to make me look bad?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Just to refresh your memory, this is what you said and my reply to that:
Slight correction. I’m challenging those that definitively claim that the military had adequate options available. I’ve never claimed that the military definitively did NOT have adequate options available – only that it’s quite possible that they didn’t.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM
So you think our Military may not have had “adequate options?”
What do you think they are for????? Good grief, what an insulting thing to say.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

In answer to your other question, No I’m not trying to make you look bad. You are the one that questioned the Military. They are ready for anything at anytime. You evidently have a different opinion.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

blink,
Your point is valid about the DQR, especially as it relates to the lack of a ARG/MEU in the Med, due to budget constraints, it has an impact. You guys are on the same side but like I said in my post, it is all how you frame the picture based off thought process of experinece, reality they are dead, due to neglect at one level or the other, how you skin that cat makes no difference, it falls ultimately on civilian leadership period.

MarshFox on November 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Yes, and I’m going to continue providing good analysis as more information emerges.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Oh? You’re going to stop being a MOBY?

There’s a good lad.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 10:39 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

With Obama as CIC, why would you assume that the military is ready for anything at anytime? You seem to be taking this as a personal affront to the military but they can only be where they are ordered. This is a president who apparently denied extra security to Amb. Stevens several times over. A plane might have come in but if it fired it might have taken down our guys, a helicopter seems optimal but according to hawk their range is 350 miles, so they would have had to be within 175 miles of Benghazi or had some way to refuel.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Where are the videos?

Where are the recordings of the radio calls?

Where are the phone records and situation room logbooks?

Who was on duty on SEP 11th during this attack?

We want to hear from them.

Where are the survivors who escaped and what did they see?

What was the president doing and what decisions did he make?

How can we be confident, that if elected, that he won’t leave the rest of us to burn and die while he skates off to feel up beyonce’???

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

All of the audio and video has been classified Top Secret.

The 37 other Americans – whom d’ohbama was prepared to sacrifice, along with the other four – have not been identified; and have probably been warned (threatened) not to talk about this – since it’s all Top Secret.

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

How do we know the death toll is only four? When CIA undercovers are killed in action isn’t that generally kept secret too? Of the 37, at least 21 were CIA. They get nothing more than a star on the wall. Maybe they were as much a target as Stevens? Convenient for little Bammie too.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Read enough links on this and you will come to the same conclusion that some are coming to.
This was all an inside job by the regime to make zero look good before the debate. trouble is it backfired.
I could go on and on explaining that Stevens was the point man on munitions for terror types both in Libya and Syria and he had connections all over arabville. But, that’s not as important as zeros connection to the terror world.
He evidently had his own terror-types whom he ran and allowed to run drugs in exchange for not blowing stuff up in the US.
All this backfired on that fateful night when not even the kid terror types could be bribed to protest the video.
the terror types had enough of being used by barak hussein and they rebeled.
while zero watched it all happen in living color he never asked for help since he thought they were his terrorists under his control!
Silly boy! He forgot the first rule of terrorism. An infidel is still an infidel.
The rest is history.
Coverup, lie prevaricate,run out the clock,lie some more, get the press to cover his ass one more time,its all a well known pattern.Trouble is he can’t lie fast enough to get out of it.

rodguy911 on November 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I can’t believe how quiet everything is.

If the right wing was worth anything…

Rush or someone would call for some civil protests or disobedience on the hurricane mess, Libya and Mr. Obama’s records.

The media is likely planning a blitz to make the economy look wonderful.

Plot the trajectory.

IlikedAUH2O on November 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

But you’re too stupid to understand this.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Now, now, MOBY. Try to stay calm.

You know how those ad hominems make you look foolish.

And you do so want to be taken seriously.

If only you weren’t a MOBY…………

Solaratov on November 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM

There is another facet of this story to consider. Beside the disturbing idea of a cover up, operatives now have a very real reason to believe that this administration will not have their back and that their lives are expendable for political reasons.

Beyond that, our enemies will have taken their measure of the current President. What psychological profile they have developed about him is disturbing to imagine. Obviously they must feel that he can be intimidated and that faced with a crisis he will dither, hesitate and look for ways to avoid a conflict.

If re-elected he will be tested again and again in ever-increasing dangerous situations.

PackerBronco on November 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

With all of the real-time live video, live audio from on the ground assets, written warnings and calls for help. I honestly don’t get the “fog-of-war” explanation…

Strike Hornet on November 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Politics is war and they mean to keep us in a fog.

PackerBronco on November 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Only idiots like you think that I’m trying to mitigate anything for Obama. I’m trying to prevent idiots like you from providing Obama political cover that he doesn’t deserve.

But you’re too stupid to understand this.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

.
blink – you know you and I agree on “not letting anger at the SCOAMF lead conservatives into throwing out ANY and ALL accusations regardless of whether they can be substantiated – or worse yet, immediately undercut.”

That being said, and understanding your frustration, please stop calling people stupid. You are not helping your side of the discussion by doing it.
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In answer to your other question, No I’m not trying to make you look bad. You are the one that questioned the Military. They are ready for anything at anytime. You evidently have a different opinion.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

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I am going to presume you are 14 years old because I don’t know anyone over that emotional age who would make the statement,

“They are ready for anything at anytime.”

I’ve had friends in the military for 40 years now. Your ridiculous statement is the type of thinking that puts their a$$ on the line for YOUR lack of knowledge.
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True, but we know more facts this evening than we did this morning. As hard as they may try, the media can no longer keep a lid on this. The networks and their advertisers are being hammered with phone calls, social media postings, emails, even protests in front of their TV stations. It may finally be working.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 9:06 PM

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Ahhhh, common sense from the most likely of sources.

PolAgnostic on November 1, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I can’t believe how quiet everything is.

If the right wing was worth anything…

Rush or someone would call for some civil protests or disobedience on the hurricane mess, Libya and Mr. Obama’s records.

The media is likely planning a blitz to make the economy look wonderful.

Plot the trajectory.

IlikedAUH2O on November 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Too easy. Then that and only that would become the story for the old media, just as Governor Romney’s innocuous comments on Benghazi became all that they wanted to talk about.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Munford is not passive aggressive.

SparkPlug on November 1, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Watching Cindy get called passive-aggressive by chumps like chumpThreads is one of the joys of this site for me.

Anti-Control on November 1, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Well, but, there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8K9MyunGQ

I’m not a big Savage fan, and I much appreciate your restraint: it is only fair, but there is this thing called “my gut”, and it tells me, this smells really, really ugly! Hugs dear! We’re on the same side, and I absolutely revere your hard work and restraint! I’m not as nice a person as you are, I’m afraid!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hi again Chewy. I watched the video in full screen. It appears obvious to me the Ambassador is not being “dragged”, but carried, albeit, very awkwardly and clumsily. And he’s fully clothed.

I’m not saying categorically that he was not sexually assaulted, just that I haven’t seen anything that has proven that as fact. My main hesitation in repeating the “rape” rumor is the pain and heartbreak it must bring to his family, especially if it turns out it really is just a rumor.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 11:43 PM

My main hesitation in repeating the “rape” rumor is the pain and heartbreak it must bring to his family, especially if it turns out it really is just a rumor.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I understand your point on this, but then political correctness is the reason GOP keeps losing. EACH and EVERY time. PS serves no one but liberal left.

Time to call a spade a spade and face the reality. As painful as it is to the families of the murdered. Should that female CBS reporter have kept mum about being gang raped in Egypt? Let me know your answer.

riddick on November 2, 2012 at 12:31 AM

PC above…

riddick on November 2, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Should that female CBS reporter have kept mum about being gang raped in Egypt? Let me know your answer.

riddick on November 2, 2012 at 12:31 AM

That was Ms. Logan’s choice to make, wasn’t it? And she had the facts to back up that she was raped. That is the point I’m trying to make, which is obviously going right over your head.

Flora Duh on November 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Anti-Control on November 1, 2012 at 11:42 PM

LOL! Even though we are actually on the same side, I could really annoy Buy Danish.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 1:09 AM

One way or another Benghazi is going to end Obama’s presidency.

profitsbeard on November 2, 2012 at 2:06 AM

profitsbeard on November 2, 2012 at 2:06 AM

And if things get ugly on the 6th, we get Biden next.

Great insurance policy, Biden is.

IlikedAUH2O on November 2, 2012 at 2:11 AM

LOL! Even though we are actually on the same side, I could really annoy Buy Danish.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 1:09 AM

What have you done to annoy Buy Danish?

Do you ever annoy bluegill? I sure hope so! :)

Related: does anyone know if bluegill has ever admitted to suffering from Asberger’s Syndrome? I ask because she has some of the worst, most out-of-touch social skills I’ve observed in someone on the Right.

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 3:44 AM

My take.

kingsjester on November 2, 2012 at 6:36 AM

I hate that f@#king picture on these threads with the celebrating white shirt dude. I could squeeze on him easy.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Watching Cindy get called passive-aggressive by chumps like chumpThreads is one of the joys of this site for me.

Anti-Control on November 1, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Same here. And in so many cases her getting called PA is only because she leaves them exasperated with their stupid assertions in such a polite manner, that’s all they can think to accuse her of.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

Same here. And in so many cases her getting called PA is only because she leaves them exasperated with their stupid assertions in such a polite manner, that’s all they can think to accuse her of.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

“in so many cases” makes it sound like there might be exceptions!

Someone who is as inoffensive and nice yet forthright as Cindy brings out the worst of those jerks, like she is a Venus Flytrap, or a magnet or a vacuum to them and their own unacknowledged passive-aggressiveness, and it is comical to watch it play out.

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 7:58 AM

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 7:58 AM

Didn’t mean any exception. Just that a few commenters here accuse everyone of being PA.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 3:44 AM

No, bluegill has not said he/she/it has Asberger’s Syndrome, I believe what you are seeing in action is youth and it’s favorite all time side effect of Iknoweverything. Oddly enough one of our warmest brightest and funniest commenters, annoyinglittletwerp, is a Asberger’s person. I don’t want to say sufferer because to me she seems perfect just like she is.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

hawkdriver on November 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

I appreciate at your kind words, but we have to be honest and say that most folks here don’t know me as well as you do.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I’ll stop calling certain people stupid when they stop being stupid.

blink on November 2, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Bless your heart!

itsspideyman on November 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

No, bluegill has not said he/she/it has Asberger’s Syndrome, I believe what you are seeing in action is youth and it’s favorite all time side effect of Iknoweverything. Oddly enough one of our warmest brightest and funniest commenters, annoyinglittletwerp, is a Asberger’s person. I don’t want to say sufferer because to me she seems perfect just like she is.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I’ve seen people with know-it-allism who do not lack other normal social skills, and because of that, I am convinced bluegill, who comes off unlike them, suffers from more than just that affliction!

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Anti-Control on November 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I’ll have to be nicer to he/she/it.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

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