Documents found in Benghazi consulate claimed “troubling” surveillance by Libyan guards; Update: Obama not participating in investigation; Report: State never requested military back-up during attack

posted at 4:41 pm on November 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

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Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

The two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound on what would turn out to be a tragic day. They also indicate that Stevens and his team had officially requested additional security at the Benghazi compound for his visit — and that they apparently did not feel it was being provided.

One letter, written on Sept. 11 and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Benghazi, reads:

“Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.”

I’ve been begging for follow-up on Sean Smith’s now famous chat-room message, sent on the morning of 9/11, claiming that a Libyan guard had been seen taking photos of the compound. “Assuming we don’t die tonight,” he said glibly at the time. Until today that was the only hard evidence of an inside job by the skeleton Libyan security staff that State forced Stevens to make do with. Had Smith overreacted to something he saw, maybe, or were others at the compound also concerned? Now we know.

They were so concerned, in fact, that they alerted not only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but the local police chief too. Funny thing: According to Foreign Policy, the chief was fired just one week later — but refused to step down and is technically still on the job, albeit on “sick leave.” And what about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? The head of the local office claims that he never got any letter from the consulate — but the local police office says that it was, in fact, the Ministry that notified them of the consulate’s request for more police during Stevens’s upcoming visit. Here’s how that went:

“On Sunday, September 9, 2012, the U.S. mission requested additional police support at our compound for the duration of U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens’ visit. We requested daily, twenty-four hour police protection at the front and rear of the U.S. mission as well as a roving patrol. In addition we requested the services of a police explosive detection dog,” the letter reads.

“We were given assurances from the highest authorities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that all due support would be provided for Ambassador Stevens’ visit to Benghazi. However, we are saddened to report that we have only received an occasional police presence at our main gate. Many hours pass when we have no police support at all.”

Normally I’d chalk up the lying to simple ass-covering after a gigantic security embarrassment, but given the element of an inside job introduced by the documents, I don’t know. In a city under the thumb of militias, how unlikely is it that people at the Ministry or inside the local police bureau were warned to keep security low at the consulate that night? Foreign Policy notes too that this new info contradicts a briefing given by the State Department on October 9 in which they claimed that there had been no security incidents at the consulate that day. A guard taking photos of the compound does, I trust, normally qualify as a “security incident,” so now we have a new question for the White House. Did State know about the guard snapping pics? If it did, why didn’t they rush some of the security assets in place in Tripoli and Italy to the consulate out of an abundance of caution on the anniversary of 9/11? If they didn’t, why wasn’t basic security at the consulate increased beforehand anyway as the consulate had been requesting for months?

Via RCP, here’s Catherine Herridge from Fox last night reminding you what State did, indisputably, know and what they chose not to do about it. Look out for the words “smoking gun.” Al Qaeda had training camps in the city and the consulate had next to no protection, and that’s somehow not enough to warrant sending extra security?

Update: If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him. Disgrace:

Today, the White House press secretary let it slip during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that President Obama’s inaction on the Benghazi situation now extends to inaction on the supposed investigation taking place. The administration has still not made clear what exactly is being investigated, or the extent of the investigation. And President Obama doesn’t much care. Said Carney:

“He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.”

That’s from Ben Shapiro, who rightly notes that the investigation into what happened when the consulate requested help likely extends not much further than Obama’s own desk. He could tell us what he knew and what he did after the attack began, but he won’t because he cares about the election more than answering the public.

Update: Defense officials have decided that they’re not going to be the fall guys for the Barack and Hillary Show. New from Eli Lake:

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith, both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

But military backup may have made a difference at around five the following morning, when a second wave of attackers assaulted the CIA annex where embassy personnel had taken refuge. It was during this second wave of attacks that two ex-SEALs working for the CIA’s security teams—Glenn Dougherty and Tyrone Woods—were killed in a mortar strike…

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.”

The president, however, would have the final say as to whether or not to send in the military.

Typically it’s the ambassador who’s responsible for calling in the military, says Lake, but since Stevens was out of contact (and likely dead) early on, it was State’s call. Why didn’t they make it? Bear in mind that they likely had no firm idea about Stevens’s fate until the attack was over; for all they knew, he was holed up in the consulate somewhere waiting for the cavalry. Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?


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VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I don’t think it makes any difference how expensive or well equipped it is if it not lead correctly. Do you think The Won has been doing that? He reduces security for our emissaries while buying Volts and making sure that embassies in Europe are “green” whatever the hell that means.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Are you claiming that no assets were repositioned from the east coast of the US and from Germany to Sigonella after the attack started?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Read my post again, idiot. Take your little manhood and go away.

Amjean on November 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

My uneducated guess, actual access to make them available or executive privilege.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Did Hillary ask Obama to do something?

Clinton was too busy dodging sniper fire.

jaime on November 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM

This is huge. It completely contradicts Obama saying that he’d ordered that everything be done to protect our people under attack. This step would’ve been the very first that would need to be done to carry out his order, and since the CSG was’nt engaged, Obama has blood on his hands.

Romney MUST talk about this over the next 5 days, and since CBS has taken up the story, as it appears, all of the media will have to start reporting on it.

TXUS on November 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Everything apparently means Nothing these days. This is positively orwellian. WHO did do something that night besides sit around with their thumb in their ass while our guys took fire all DAMN NIGHT!?!!!!!!!!

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

There is no video of Stevens’ body being “dragged through the street.”

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

There are several photos of the Ambassador’s (apparently dead) body being carried that are freely available online. Judging by the number of phonecams trained on him by his “rescuers” there must be videos as well. They are probably bestsellers in every Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated candy store along with paeans to Osama.

I should note that no autopsy report has been released. One photo you can easily find online shows what appears to be a bullet wound in the stomach with blood stains. I can’t draw conclusions from it–but neither can anyone else because of the total coverup going on.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

The weapons going to Al Qaeda in Syria. On our dime.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

My uneducated guess, actual access to make them available or executive privilege.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Then how do they know what’s on them?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Thought that would be a given….

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force-not-convened-during-benghazi-consul

workingclass artist on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

MSM FINALLY throwing the pre-schooler-in-chief under the bus? Doubtful, and disgusting that it had to come to this. If they had covered the news fairly, he’d have been out of office 2 years ago!
I AM NOT celebrating this. The dereliction of duty by the media sickens me even more than the ineptitude of the executive branch! The reason is that if the former hadn’t abdicated it’s responsibility, the latter would have been harnessed and lives would have been saved. Disgusting!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I fail to see why the talking heads seem to think that Mitt Romney is responsible to push all this information forward, I believe both Congress and the Fourth Estate have a constitutional duty to perform oversight, not opposing political candidates.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

You could make a case that Romney should be speaking up, but he really does need to be very careful not to make any false accusations. I think he could reasonably comment about “disturbing questions.” But anything he says could easily backfire by making him look like a conspiracy theorist, which he really can’t do 5 days before election.

Bottom line: it’s not reasonable to expect Romney to talk about this issue. Not yet, at least.

tom on November 1, 2012 at 7:55 PM

But, hey, why not let him destroy another Benghazi thread.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

You pollute the thread with conspiracy theories.

And yet you try to call ME a troll. Too funny.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Enough you two.
Save the troll moniker and insults for actual trolls.
My teenage sons behave better.

OTTO on November 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Oh my goodness, did Mr. Doherty’s mother say that to? I know that Obama said it. I might not be political enough to allow my grief to be drug into the middle of this but I could never drink enough of the Obama koolaid to accept that description of my child’s death.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM

How did Ambassador Stevens die? What were his injuries? Who did he speak with before he gave up the ghost? Did he leave a note? Who has it? What about Woods? Did he leave a note for his baby? his wife? What about Doherty, or Smith? What were their last words? Why Why did these Americans have to die alone when potentially DOZENS OF OTHER AMERICANS could have descended upon those buildings and rendered them aid, given them water, eased their pain with morphine or fentanyl, applied a tourniquet, a bandage, carried them to safety, given them one last shred of decency and comfort to at least die in the arms of a fellow Americans. I am almost sick as a result of this —that these men died alone and the president turned his back on them.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

The Management of Savagery – p23 –

Some others among the people of truthfulness and jihad used to set forth what God had showed them and the notion was established in their minds that the enemy was weak and insignificant – if God decreed something, it could be done. This group says to the remainder of the people of religion and the masses: “O people! The viciousness of the Russian soldier is double that of the American (soldier). If the number of Americans killed is one tenth of the number of Russians killed in Afghanistan and Chechnya, they will flee, heedless of all else. That is because the current structure of the American and Western military is not the same as the structure of their military in the era of colonialism. They reached a stage of effeminacy which made them unable to sustain battles for a long period of time and they compensate for this with a deceptive media halo. O people! The center in the Soviet Union was, to a certain extent, close to the countries in which there was opposition to it. They even shared borders with areas that opposed it, so supplies, motorized units, and armored vehicles used to pour in with ease and without much cost. The matter is different with regard to America—the remoteness of the primary center from the peripheries should help the Americans understand the difficulty of our continued submission to them, their control over us, and their pillaging of our resources if we decide to refuse; but only if we refuse and enflame opposition to its materialization.”

And then to the particulars in pp. 24-26:

In summary, the contemporary renewal movement was purified after momentous events and battles severely damaged it and it accumulated experience during more than thirty years. It must (now) undertake some of the specific operations arranged systematically [nizām mu`ayyan] and (carry out) what began with the operation of Nairobi and Dar al-Salam for the achievement of the following goals (by the grace of God):
A – The first goal: Destroy a large part of the respect for America and spread confidence in the souls of Muslims by means of:
(1) Reveal the deceptive media to be a power without force.
[10]
(2) Force America to abandon its war against Islam by proxy and force it to attack directly so that the noble ones among the masses and a few of the noble ones among the armies of apostasy will see that their fear of deposing the regimes because America is their protector is misplaced and that when they depose the regimes, they are capable of opposing America if it interferes.
B – The second goal: Replace the human casualties sustained by the renewal movement during the past thirty years by means of the human aid that will probably come for two reasons:
(1) Being dazzled by the operations which will be undertaken in opposition to America.
(2) Anger over the obvious, direct American interference in the Islamic world, such that that anger compounds the previous anger against America’s support for the Zionist entity. It also transforms the suppressed anger toward the regimes of apostasy and tyranny into a positive anger. Human aid for the renewal movement will not dry up, especially when heedless people among the masses – and they are the majority – discover the truth of the collaboration of these regimes with the enemies of the Umma to such an extent that no deceptive veil will be of use and no pretext will remain for any claimant to the Islam of these regimes and their like.
(C) – The third goal: Work to expose the weakness of America’s centralized power by pushing it to abandon the media psychological war and the war by proxy until it fights directly. As a result, the apostates among all of the sects and groups and even Americans themselves will see that the remoteness of the primary center from the peripheries is a major factor contributing to the possible outbreak of chaos and savagery.

The Management of Savagery has doctrine to spread savagery against America and blame it ON America. To force America to stand down and be shown as weak, so as to take down the dictatorships, the kings, the Emirates and to replace them with a Caliphate. To spread savagery to these places and blame that ON America as well.

The process is to attack America, draw America into a foreign conflict, inflict just a small amount of casualties on America so as to force America to leave, which means allowing al Qaeda and like-minded groups to take power. As America leaves you then attack to overthrow the Arab regimes using internal divisions to bring them down and spread the savagery and blame American support of such regimes for the ensuing savagery. Thus even when America ‘helps’ to bring down such a regime, it is attacked and blamed for savagery that attacks it… pre-meditated savagery by others… savagery planned by others… all towards an end of putting the societies of these countries under the yoke of the ‘strong horse’ which they will flock to, as the ‘weak horse’, America, is shown to be indecisive, effeminate, and incapable of defending itself.

Welcome to The Management of Savagery, the nightmare vision of al Qaeda to bring the world down in flames.

Everything that has happened since 9/11/01 through to this very day has been by this doctrine. There is an end-game to it and it isn’t pretty for you, for me, for the arab peoples, nor for any person alive on this planet today. It spells out how to take advantage of economic weakness, how to exploit indecisiveness, and how to constantly blame America for the actions that are taken by al Qaeda. And they will use their fellow travelers to this end until those fellow travelers are no longer of use to them, then bring them down since they will be less effective than free people.

You can confront this horror being handed to us, point it out, decry it… or you can join the enemy and blame America for the troubles wrought by others and follow The Management of Savagery and actually help the savagery to spread by sowing indecisiveness, doubt and distract free people from what is going on.

How has everything done since the ‘Arab Spring’ not hurried this doctrine along? At each point we hear the blame America first choir, and yet the horrific actions are taken at no American order, no American premise, no American encouragement… yet the blame is first, last and always on America. And now leadership is actually abandoning our own people to the rise of the savagery, and yet we hear defense of even that, which encourages more savagery, not less.

ajacksonian on November 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Just because they may have been allowed to listen and view, that doesn’t give them access to release to the media. I have serious doubts if the media would run them anyway.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Do you have a link you could post please. I cannot find it.

derft on November 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/01/troubling_surveillance_before_benghazi_attack?page=full

Near the end of the article.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I don’t want to ever hear this punk say any of this “There is no person in this country that wants to find out what happened more than I do” and some sh!t like that. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what happens to the people that do the heavy lifting around here. He’s a sorry sack o’ you know what.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Bottom line: it’s not reasonable to expect Romney to talk about this issue. Not yet, at least.

tom on November 1, 2012 at 7:55 PM

its against mitts interests in the short and long term, to even raise the issue of F&F or Benghazi.

gotta preserve the image of our first black president. at all costs.

renalin on November 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Admiral James Lyons – Obama Needs To Come Clean On What Happened In Benghazi

This details, from a military perspective, what happened in Benghazi, what forces could have responded, and asks the same questions that are being asked here.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I truly love reading your posts. They are always thoughtful and well-informed. Your sources and links are always helpful, so I will investigate this and try to validate, but I’m pretty sure I remember Hillary talking in her monotone-robotic voice (which was incredibly eerie to me at the time) on 9/12 how Amb. Stevens was “carried on the shoulders of Libyans” to the hospital, and was alive when arrived. Then we heard about the rape, then we heard about the on-going pleas for help. This is NOT a nice, tidy package. This is a nasty, smelly, evil, ugly, horrid, sadistic, slimy, hideous mess. If I could think of more adjectives to describe it off the top of my head, I would list them, but it would require further thought and I am enraged and require a cocktail. Cheers!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Yes, I heard Hillary’s claims that he was carried on their shoulders to the hospital, which I don’t fully believe. Yes, he was taken to the hospital by locals, but most likely they carried him with 2 people grabbing his arms and 2 his legs, which is common for that area. It would also give the appearance that we’ve seen in the photo of the Ambassador “being dragged.”

I will not comment on the “rape” rumor, because at this time, that’s what it is, a rumor, until his autopsy results are released, if they ever are.

Believe me Chewy, I have no doubt of the sheer horror that the Ambassador and Sean Smith must have endured inside that consulate, but IMHO it is best to hold off on speculation and repeating rumors until more facts are released, which appears may not happen until the Senate hearings – if even then.

Enjoy your cocktail. I wish I could imbibe, but alas my meds prevent such.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Thought that would be a given….

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Most think that “resistance” in Syria is just that, when in fact it is Al Qaeda doing what they were allowed to do in Libya and Egypt. Assad is no saint, far from it by any measure, but he is still a “better choice” than Al Qaeda, as can be seen in Egypt and Libya. Lesser of 2 evils.

What needs to be asked, on TV hopefully, is why are we arming Al Qaeda and Hussein keeps harping every chance he gets that its been on the run and done with? Using money we are borrowing from China? And murdering our citizens in the process.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

…Obama can’t claim that the military lacked the capability to save Ambassador Stevens. It’s because after his “horses and bayonets” comment, Obama claimed that he was adequately funding the military in order to provide it adequate capabilities. So, it would be a problem for Obama to now claim that the military didn’t have adequate capabilities.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Interesting point.

rogerb on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I still think Hillbuzz’s theory is more interesting.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Just because they may have been allowed to listen and view, that doesn’t give them access to release to the media. I have serious doubts if the media would run them anyway.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Fox News would, they are chomping at the bit.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Reporter: “The letters revealed that since September 9, the Americans had been requesting special security arrangements, in preparation for the arrival of Ambassador Chris Stephens to Benghazi. These arrangements included the police guarding the front and rear gates of the consulate around the clock, in addition to a mobile patrol and a bomb-sniffing dog.

Oh FFS MSM…..FFS! This came from the ARAB MEDIA for crying out loud……..I’ll say that again….THE ARAB MEDIA YOU TWITS.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I don’t think it makes any difference how expensive or well equipped it is if it not lead correctly. Do you think The Won has been doing that? He reduces security for our emissaries while buying Volts and making sure that embassies in Europe are “green” whatever the hell that means.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The troops have a very poor CIC who doesn’t give a you-know-what about them and very poor generals, who don’t give a you-know-what about them. Obama, hopefully, will be gone this coming January, but the generals will still be there and Petraeus may well still be at CIA.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Yes, I heard Hillary’s claims that he was carried on their shoulders to the hospital, which I don’t fully believe. Yes, he was taken to the hospital by locals, but most likely they carried him with 2 people grabbing his arms and 2 his legs, which is common for that area. It would also give the appearance that we’ve seen in the photo of the Ambassador “being dragged.”

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Wasn’t there a statement from those who “brought him to the hospital” that he was alive at that point. And doctors failed to save his life?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him

If any of his supporters think he cares about anything, or anyone, but himself, they’re bigger idiots than I thought:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6PWVjACMAA4DkE.jpg

mrt721 on November 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?

He didn’t do anything because he was in bed resting up for Vegas the next day.

climbnjump on November 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Ugh,attempt Posty Number 4,f’n %^&^*&^*&*(&()*)(*)*)!!

@washingtonpost tweeted:
washingtonpost
#BREAKING New details around Amb. Stevens death in Libya include ‘multiple errors that led to the final tragedy’ http://t.co/MePiRqNP

1 hour ago from twitter.com by partner
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In Benghazi timeline, CIA errors but no evidence of conspiracy
By David Ignatius, Thursday, November 1, 6:40 PM
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A detailed CIA timeline of the assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi paints an anguishing picture of embattled Americans waiting for Libyan security forces who didn’t come and courageous CIA officers who died on a rooftop without the heavy weapons they needed, trying to protect their colleagues below.

It’s a story of individual bravery, but also of a CIA misjudgment in relying on Libyan militias and a newly formed Libyan intelligence organization to keep Americans safe in Benghazi. While there were multiple errors that led to the final tragedy, there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts.

The CIA is now reviewing its security plans around the world to make sure the agency isn’t relying on shaky local forces. This is a difficult task because the United States has vulnerable arrangements in dozens of places.

The CIA timeline was described to me Thursday by a senior intelligence official. The narrative of events is dramatic and disturbing. Rather than try to parse each detail, let’s look at a summary of the highlights. The times listed are Benghazi time on the night of Sept. 11 and the morning of Sept. 12:

●9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

●10:04 p.m.: A seven-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

●10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

●10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

●10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
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●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

●11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts the State Department group into a vehicle and sends them to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

●11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

●1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

●5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are they observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.

●6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story_1.html

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Thanks.

derft on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Ugh,catch you guys later,bath time for grandson:)

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I hope the other hotairians will indulge/ignore just one more O/T aside: BettyRuth:Hubby and I started our empty nest project with these silly labs a few years ago. If your dogs like water and fetching, “google” the word: dockdogs! We’re headed to the world championships in two weeks in Dubuque, and we are total novices! It’s a blast!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

What needs to be asked, on TV hopefully, is why are we arming Al Qaeda and Hussein keeps harping every chance he gets that its been on the run and done with? Using money we are borrowing from China? And murdering our citizens in the process.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

All true, but when you say it altogether at once like that, it sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

MSM FINALLY throwing the pre-schooler-in-chief under the bus? Doubtful, and disgusting that it had to come to this. If they had covered the news fairly, he’d have been out of office 2 years ago!
I AM NOT celebrating this. The dereliction of duty by the media sickens me even more than the ineptitude of the executive branch! The reason is that if the former hadn’t abdicated it’s responsibility, the latter would have been harnessed and lives would have been saved. Disgusting!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Yes, it appears the dam the media built around this has finally been breached. It is no longer just a drip, drip, drip. Today it has turned into a stream. All we can hope for is that it turns into a flood before Tuesday.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM

It will be interesting in the years to come to have the inside scoop on this man’s tenure known. What would cause honorable military men play this CYA game?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

I hope the other hotairians will indulge/ignore just one more O/T aside: BettyRuth:Hubby and I started our empty nest project with these silly labs a few years ago. If your dogs like water and fetching, “google” the word: dockdogs! We’re headed to the world championships in two weeks in Dubuque, and we are total novices! It’s a blast!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

20 foot jumps off the dock? Those kind of dock dogs?

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Oh my goodness, did Mr. Doherty’s mother say that to? I know that Obama said it. I might not be political enough to allow my grief to be drug into the middle of this but I could never drink enough of the Obama koolaid to accept that description of my child’s death.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Barbara Doherty said she agreed with Obama’s controversial assessment that the latest round of deadly troubles in the region constitute “bumps in the road,” and people like her son are making a difference every day.

She said they are making progress, but it’s slow and can’t happen overnight, according to the Boston Herald. Source

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Thanks, Canopfor. Well done.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 8:10 PM

riddick, I pride myself on keeping track of trolls. Let me know if you see any that are missing. P.S. The list doesn’t include the ones that got banned over the past year. That is on a separate list. ; )

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Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

there’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts.

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

WaPo covering for its Dear Leader; implies that the whole episode was a CIA internal matter. What about Ham? Stand-down orders from whom?

Pitiful, but they figure it may work to extend the stonewall for 5 days.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

The “most powerful” doesn’t mean “all powerful.” Certainly, you realize that our military capabilities have limitations, right?

Of course there are limitations (everything has limitations), but not being able to deal with a hundred or so muslims with small arms when there is, and was, an airbase just several hundred miles away shouldn’t be one of them. All the two former Navy Seals would have needed in the way of help was one armed aircraft to assist them, and it had hours to get there.

Try to realize that our military capabilities aren’t simply about pushing a bunch of buttons the way Hollywood portrays it. An incredible amount of coordination and manpower is required in order for the military to flex muscle.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Don’t be a drama queen.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Wasn’t there a statement from those who “brought him to the hospital” that he was alive at that point. And doctors failed to save his life?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Yes, there’s reports that he was alive when found by the locals. They are said to have started shouting “he’s alive, Allah is great” while carrying him to the hospital.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Don’t be a drama queen.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Made it back alive from the barn I see….

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Mara and the NPR socialist flunkies are trying to draw Mitt into a trap so the White House can claim the GOP is politicizing the tragedy. Defund them first, Mitt.

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM PM

As soon as Mara said that, my husband turned to me and said, “God, I hope Romney doesn’t fall into that trap”

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM

What would cause honorable military men play this CYA game?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Honorable men wouldn’t.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Interesting. Now let’s hear the tapes and see if they actually match the timeline and actions of those in Benghazi as specified by CIA.

And I’d like to know why it took 7 weeks for CIA to produce the “timeline” when they had it next day. Along with Petraus explaining clearly why 3 days after the attack he stated this was a “spontaneous attack” in response to web video.

One more question: Is this SOP to have UNARMED drones in that area, area widely regarded as Al Qaeda stronghold? What happens if a drone sees a target, they send another drone to hit it from a base an hour, or more, away? Riiight…

Something definitely not right with CIA “timeline”.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

It is sad that his death is being politicized but his chosen profession, if run by an incompetent, is something the people need to know. What’s really dumb is that we truly don’t know what happened and Obama doesn’t think it is any of our business. As someone noted earlier today, if Obama is reelected, Biden is impeachment insurance.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I should add that I think this is why Obama is stonewalling. It seems as if the truth will make Obama look bad either way. Therefore, Obama is better off allowing idiots like riddick make ridiculous claims about members of the US government killing Ambassador Stevens. Most Americans won’t believe this type of 9/11 Truther accusation, and this gives Obama cover.

The recent article from Bing West and Rumsfeld’s interview with Hugh Hewitt are perfect examples of answers should be demanded from the Obama administration and the MSM.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

How can he possibly come off better? He is allowing speculation about the murder of four people in a foreign country who are there doing the mission of the United States. Every moment he allows the story to build, any answer, no matter how reasonable, will come across as a desire to withold information. Speculation will then go to his motives. Did he do it to limit damage to his campaign? Was he covering up some greater issue?

I just don’t see it. No good will come from covering up.

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 8:16 PM

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Or, it could have been written by any of the dozens of locals who traipsed through the building before the FBI got there, which is my guess.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Perhaps, but the message was in first person. We may never know. If it wasn’t Stevens himself, then I would think FBI or CIA. Some in those agencies are not going to take the blame for this.
Someone left those documents there to be found also. If either agency was about protecting the Administration, I wouldn’t think they would have done that. We need a lot of truth to uncover all of these lies!!

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Wait, so Lanceman got banned?

rogerb on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Was there also a “daveylovesgoliath” in there too?

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL. GEEZ…

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I have noticed that both Secretaries Rice and Rumsfeld have been cautious in their discussions about this incident. I don’t think they are covering for anyone because they are like the rest of us, missing huge parts of the equation. No one can say “There but for the grace of God, go I” like those two. I appreciate the way the entire Bush administration has handled themselves.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM

This is the kind of administration we get when the legacy media acts as a palace guard for four years. They really think they can get away with murder, so to speak…so far, they have.

d1carter on November 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Our late, great “Oso” won a few dockdog competitions back when we lived in the south, unfortunately he could be completely thrown off his game by seeing someone in the stands eating a hotdog. It’s a very fun sport; Good luck to you!

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Regarding the rape rumour…I tend to believe it.

When the rumour first surfaced, I went back and checked some photos. I remember seeing the footage of the ambassador being pulled from the embassy, his belt buckle was neatly done up and his clothes were ok. The later photo where he looks bloodied and bruised shows him disheveled with his belt undone. I don’t think one’s leather belt comes undone from being carried.

Mitsouko on November 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I’ve read that article, and watched the Hume interview. Though I’m willing to listen to what he had to say, I’m not particularly sold on Rumsfeld or his opinions. There has been a great deal of subterfuge and obfuscation in the Middle East region as relates directly to policy. Some executed through diplomatic channels, some through military channels. The mission, the interests, and the goals of this nation in the region have become unclear.

We have reached the point at which an independent investigation is necessary, since those involved have the most reason to continue to obfuscate.

I’m pressuring my congressmen to see that there is an independent, in depth investigation of events leading up to Benghazi, as well as the actions and responses of those in positions of authority during the actual attack, and responses and actions by all involved in the aftermath of that attack.

While discussing it here may provide entertainment, it will not provide the answers that we seek and deserve.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Shouldn’t there be either an execute order or one fr stand down? Let’s see one of them, either one.

Along with buying time for election, it looks more and more WH is buying time to devise a plan of escape from this mess. Fallout from losing the election is secondary to dereliction of duty. From the top on down.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

That voice she (Hillary) used in that announcement was just bizarre! And I don’t consider the rape reports “rumor.” Seriously? in that part of the world? Hugs gf!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Hillbuzz believes that Amb. Stevens was suppose to the victim of a kidnapping that night and used as trade for the blind sheik. Also with the full knowledge of the government. I’m unclear if Amb. Stevens was suppose to know or not. After Ayman Al-Zawahri made the video last week encouraging the kidnapping of Westerns, my tin foil hat was becoming fabulous.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Wait, so Lanceman got banned?

rogerb on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

LOL!!! Too Funny! Did I miss anyone rogerb?

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I don’t think one’s leather belt comes undone from being carried.

Mitsouko on November 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Must have been the result of asphyxiation, no doubt.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Made it back alive from the barn I see….

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM

The only thing back there was a skunk, but it wasn’t big enough to be Petraeus so I just left it alone.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

‏@DarrellIssa

Letter to Sec. Clinton on evidence indicating possible involvement of govt of #Libya personnel in #Benghazi attack: http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2012-11-01-DEI-to-Clinton-re-Benghazi.pdf

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Excellent catch! Thank You. This keeping track of trolls is hard work. So many little pieces of paper! Lol!

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

That voice she (Hillary) used in that announcement was just bizarre! And I don’t consider the rape reports “rumor.” Seriously? in that part of the world? Hugs gf!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

SOP in any muslim country in ME. Their way of showing “domination”.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

From what I have gathered from what media there has been, there should be a hard copy of any order. Again, release of said order (if it truly existed) would probably fall under executive privilege. You could fill an ocean with what I don’t know, which is why I’m trying to be careful. Plus, I don’t want believe our country would kill our people on purpose. I’m too Pollyana to believe that.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:28 PM

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Chewy and sister Echo are always looking for hotdogs! Glad to know another dockdogger!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Slight correction. I’m challenging those that definitively claim that the military had adequate options available. I’ve never claimed that the military definitively did NOT have adequate options available – only that it’s quite possible that they didn’t.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

So you think our Military may not have had “adequate options?”
What do you think they are for????? Good grief, what an insulting thing to say.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

There is another diauko (something like that) boy, does he think I am the most ignorant person in the world. Since I can’t remember his exact name, I guess he is right.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

WHO did do something that night besides sit around with their thumb in their ass while our guys took fire all DAMN NIGHT!?!!!!!!!!

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Looks like the only people that did anything that night were the two SEALs who were able to save the 30+ Americans and friendlies in the compound before Obama let them be killed by his doing not a damn thing but going to bed and then to Vegas the next day.

TXUS on November 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

So you think our Military may not have had “adequate options?”
What do you think they are for????? Good grief, what an insulting thing to say.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

And I am tasked to explain why blink is a troll. Benghazi thread after thread, same crap.

Have no idea why people keep feeding it after a number of threads went to trash in quick order.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

It’s amazing how telling, what was considered a flip remark on a gaming site, is now.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Looks like the only people that did anything that night were the two SEALs who were able to save the 30+ Americans and friendlies in the compound before Obama let them be killed by his doing not a damn thing but going to bed and then to Vegas the next day.

TXUS on November 1, 2012 at 8:32 PM

So, after a number of reports that Woods was painting a target CIA timeline now says no such thing happened. Where is the rest of that GRS team and why we have no access to them? No reason to provide a “timeline” when they can easily tell us what took place that day, in great detail.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Ok, dumb question (it has been a long, long time since Civics class…)

If there is no impeachment before Romney takes office, are there any measures that can be taken against Obama after he has left office? If no crime has been committed, are there any possible further consequences beyond the scandal?

azblondie on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I just don’t see it. No good will come from covering up.

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 8:16 PM

It never does but again and again politicians do it.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Anybody notice how quiet it has been from the survivors and their families? Jason Chavetz said that some were still in the hospital.

d1carter on November 1, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Ha. You give me too much credit, Bmore. I just search for phrases. Good memory exercises for an old man, mostly.

rogerb on November 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Via Bryan Preston at PJM, this is a Las Vegas editorial:

Benghazi blunder: Obama unworthy commander-in-chief

It reads as if it was pulled from the comments here. This is a sample:

This administration is an embarrassment on foreign policy and incompetent at best on the economy – though a more careful analysis shows what can only be a perverse and willful attempt to destroy our prosperity. . . .

These behaviors go far beyond “spin.” They amount to a pack of lies. To return to office a narcissistic amateur who seeks to ride this nation’s economy and international esteem to oblivion, like Slim Pickens riding the nuclear bomb to its target at the end of the movie “Dr. Strangelove,” would be disastrous.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Thanks. Boy those documents look in great shape for being in a burnt out smoke filled building, huh? Hmmmmm Wonder how they survived the fire? Or did someone plant them?

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 8:41 PM

If there is no impeachment before Romney takes office, are there any measures that can be taken against Obama after he has left office? If no crime has been committed, are there any possible further consequences beyond the scandal?

azblondie on November 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I suspect that once all the required Presidential pardons are signed and framed, and most are already done with by now, we will have President Biden on January 19th, for a few hours at least, when Hussein resigns. This will allow Biden to sign a presidentail pardon for the traitor.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Regarding the rape rumour…I tend to believe it.

When the rumour first surfaced, I went back and checked some photos. I remember seeing the footage of the ambassador being pulled from the embassy, his belt buckle was neatly done up and his clothes were ok. The later photo where he looks bloodied and bruised shows him disheveled with his belt undone. I don’t think one’s leather belt comes undone from being carried.

Mitsouko on November 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

After he was dragged from the residence, the mob stripped him down to his underwear before carrying him to a car and the hospital. None of the “youths” apparently thought to administer CPR, though everybody was jostling to get good videos on their cameras and yelling Allah knows what. He probably died on the way to the ER.

If he avoided capture by the jihadists he probably wasn’t sodomized–the Lions of Islam might have done that as his punishment for being a known or suspected homosexual. How they missed the chance to capture him is a mystery. All they had to do was surround the building and wait for him to be smoked out.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Another fine catch, yes the name is something like that, perhaps rogerb will know. Its a commenter from over at Kos I believe, only seen it a couple of times. Mostly in the headlines I think. Cindy, you get along with everyone, well almost everyone. ; )

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

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