Documents found in Benghazi consulate claimed “troubling” surveillance by Libyan guards; Update: Obama not participating in investigation; Report: State never requested military back-up during attack

posted at 4:41 pm on November 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

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Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

The two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound on what would turn out to be a tragic day. They also indicate that Stevens and his team had officially requested additional security at the Benghazi compound for his visit — and that they apparently did not feel it was being provided.

One letter, written on Sept. 11 and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Benghazi, reads:

“Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.”

I’ve been begging for follow-up on Sean Smith’s now famous chat-room message, sent on the morning of 9/11, claiming that a Libyan guard had been seen taking photos of the compound. “Assuming we don’t die tonight,” he said glibly at the time. Until today that was the only hard evidence of an inside job by the skeleton Libyan security staff that State forced Stevens to make do with. Had Smith overreacted to something he saw, maybe, or were others at the compound also concerned? Now we know.

They were so concerned, in fact, that they alerted not only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but the local police chief too. Funny thing: According to Foreign Policy, the chief was fired just one week later — but refused to step down and is technically still on the job, albeit on “sick leave.” And what about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? The head of the local office claims that he never got any letter from the consulate — but the local police office says that it was, in fact, the Ministry that notified them of the consulate’s request for more police during Stevens’s upcoming visit. Here’s how that went:

“On Sunday, September 9, 2012, the U.S. mission requested additional police support at our compound for the duration of U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens’ visit. We requested daily, twenty-four hour police protection at the front and rear of the U.S. mission as well as a roving patrol. In addition we requested the services of a police explosive detection dog,” the letter reads.

“We were given assurances from the highest authorities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that all due support would be provided for Ambassador Stevens’ visit to Benghazi. However, we are saddened to report that we have only received an occasional police presence at our main gate. Many hours pass when we have no police support at all.”

Normally I’d chalk up the lying to simple ass-covering after a gigantic security embarrassment, but given the element of an inside job introduced by the documents, I don’t know. In a city under the thumb of militias, how unlikely is it that people at the Ministry or inside the local police bureau were warned to keep security low at the consulate that night? Foreign Policy notes too that this new info contradicts a briefing given by the State Department on October 9 in which they claimed that there had been no security incidents at the consulate that day. A guard taking photos of the compound does, I trust, normally qualify as a “security incident,” so now we have a new question for the White House. Did State know about the guard snapping pics? If it did, why didn’t they rush some of the security assets in place in Tripoli and Italy to the consulate out of an abundance of caution on the anniversary of 9/11? If they didn’t, why wasn’t basic security at the consulate increased beforehand anyway as the consulate had been requesting for months?

Via RCP, here’s Catherine Herridge from Fox last night reminding you what State did, indisputably, know and what they chose not to do about it. Look out for the words “smoking gun.” Al Qaeda had training camps in the city and the consulate had next to no protection, and that’s somehow not enough to warrant sending extra security?

Update: If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him. Disgrace:

Today, the White House press secretary let it slip during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that President Obama’s inaction on the Benghazi situation now extends to inaction on the supposed investigation taking place. The administration has still not made clear what exactly is being investigated, or the extent of the investigation. And President Obama doesn’t much care. Said Carney:

“He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.”

That’s from Ben Shapiro, who rightly notes that the investigation into what happened when the consulate requested help likely extends not much further than Obama’s own desk. He could tell us what he knew and what he did after the attack began, but he won’t because he cares about the election more than answering the public.

Update: Defense officials have decided that they’re not going to be the fall guys for the Barack and Hillary Show. New from Eli Lake:

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith, both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

But military backup may have made a difference at around five the following morning, when a second wave of attackers assaulted the CIA annex where embassy personnel had taken refuge. It was during this second wave of attacks that two ex-SEALs working for the CIA’s security teams—Glenn Dougherty and Tyrone Woods—were killed in a mortar strike…

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.”

The president, however, would have the final say as to whether or not to send in the military.

Typically it’s the ambassador who’s responsible for calling in the military, says Lake, but since Stevens was out of contact (and likely dead) early on, it was State’s call. Why didn’t they make it? Bear in mind that they likely had no firm idea about Stevens’s fate until the attack was over; for all they knew, he was holed up in the consulate somewhere waiting for the cavalry. Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?


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Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

Yet another question we’ll never get an answer for. It’s absolutely insane, the levels of incompetence and coverups and lies. Nice legacy to leave, Obama. Four dead Americans and 4 years of lies and cowardice and corruption and fecklessness.

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I don’t believe the FBI ever made it there, or really planned to go. If anyone has hard evidence of FBI agents in the burned-out site I’d like to see it.

FBI involvement was a scam used to delay answering questions for several weeks.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

FBI were granted access, a very short one. 2 or 3 hours IIRC. And then told to leave ASAP, due to “security concerns”. Hard to believe that since it took hours for 150 attackers to deal with two barely armed SEALs, a well armed FBI team would make mincemeat of that same group.

So, again, nothing but a coverup. It took days to “negotiate” FBI access to the place for a short trip that took place. Most likely in hopes that documents would be either burned by then or taken by terrorists. As is, lists of Somali informers and like WERE taken by terrorists. So, we can expect reprisals there if they did not take place already. Anyone looking into that?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

I think it was political from the outset as well. My only question is how deeply was the WH involved. Did they sacrifice Stevens to cover for the gun running? Did they have him assassinated by proxy? Or was it some “October surprise” that went horribly wrong?

The truth is there is nothing that’s been publicly stated to account for why our Ambassador was in Benghazi without security on the night of 9/11.

UnderstandingisPower on November 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.”

So we are to believe that Panetta et al, who were monitoring this fight visually from drones and receiving a stream of sitreps from the consulate – they did have radio contact until the annex was overrun 7 hours later – that everyone of these people sat with their thumbs up their collective asses, passively listening but not making the slightest effort to proactively push down assets that could have stopped the attack because . . . the State Dept. never officially called them. That is one huge, steaming pile of CYA BS.

So we had a SEAL painting a target with a GLD, requesting air support to take it out, Washington could monitor the conversation and controlled the assets, yet did nothing without a request in triplicate signed by Hillary. Anyone believe that? Or even if true, that it a valid and acceptable excuse?

This makes Watergate pale in comparison. Our people in Benghazi were abandoned, and I am virtually sure it was to protect Obama’s hopes for reelection.

Wolf Howling on November 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

“What seems likely, therefore, is that Obama made a decision, after consulting with the NSC and the Secretary of Defense, to move military forces into place but to refrain from intervening unless “contingencies” arose–contingencies evidently not including the death of personnel already under attack.

The goal was likely to limit casualties, and both diplomatic and political fallout, by containing the attack, not repulsing it…

Obama said that one of his directives, upon finding out about the attack, was to “make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to.” But “securing” does not necessarily mean “providing security for.” In military parlance, “securing” personnel can mean effectively grounding them. That is likely why former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods were reportedly told to “stand down”: the primary concern of the White House was not to take risks, even those that could save lives.

The reason that CIA chief David Petraeus could say, “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need,” is that the decision was likely made beforehand, by President Obama. And the reason the State Department never requested military assistance is that the president’s decision had likely foreclosed that possibility. The president’s directive was aimed at damage control–not protecting Americans…”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/01/After-State-Dept-Denial-All-Evidence-Points-to-Obama-in-Benghazi-

workingclass artist on November 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Here we are, nearly 2 months after the attack, and all we’re hearing is what one group or another didn’t not do (no typo).

When are we going to hear about somebody who did something? I challenge everyone to scour the news for any report where anyone who is still breathing has said “I did this”.

Obama’s pontifications don’t count.

BobMbx on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Lets just cut to the facts .The request for help came in the military put a plan into action.Obama himself said NO NO NO .The general in charge went ballistic and was fired.4 American died.Obama has blood on his hands.Impeachment chargers should be introduces ASAP.

logman1 on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Add in 2 dead marines from the rescue team that was sent to secure 30 others at the place. As much heroes as the murdered SEALs.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

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spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

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spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

REPEAT.

IGNORE. THE. TROLL. BLINK.

THANK. YOU.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.

Did you ask them?

Did you ask the White House?

Did you communicate, at all, with anyone during the attack?

BobMbx on November 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Even if you believe that the attack itself was something that couldn’t be defended against, the questions on the lack of security still need to be answered. You can’t put people in these situations and ignore their concerns. I want to know how you can know that someone who did not go there to fight but to establish a relationship with an emerging country is coming under attack, say “Do whatever you can for those folks” and wonder off to bed and Las Vegas? AND THEN LIE ABOUT IT FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS!!!

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Here we are, nearly 2 months after the attack, and all we’re hearing is what one group or another didn’t not do (no typo).

When are we going to hear about somebody who did something? I challenge everyone to scour the news for any report where anyone who is still breathing has said “I did this”.

Obama’s pontifications don’t count.

BobMbx on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

the heroes in this story are evident—Woods and Doherty, maybe more ….who knows. The place got sacked and the Comedy Team of Obama and His Merry Band of Not Doers was giving each other hand jobs and back rubs.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Thanks Riddick, felt like I was halluci-matating.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

:

So, they either sodomized him when he was alive, and then threw him into an inferno, or the rape occured, when???

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Presactly!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Is the lid coming off of this and about to explode…?

‘You have the blood of an American hero on your hands’

Seven Percent Solution on November 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Regardless of their request to WH, State Dept. has its own security department and funds. There is no way for Shillary to avoid this.

State Dept. security chief testified in front of Issa’s panel. Why is he still not under arrest I have no idea.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

An administration with a proven history of lying has no credibility.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

INC:

After two years of this Administration,I think,we all knew,not to trust Team Obama,and why was the Obama admin. hell bent on Libyan
help,jeebus H sumpin,for a Commander in Chief,he sure doesn’t like
using US Military (assets),but since hes a Socialist Progressive,
thats the last place that he wants credit to go to,in my opinion,
it BOINKING NUTS!!:)

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Romney should avoid the subject for now and send surrogates. Too dangerous to bring it up before the election. He needs to concentrate on the economy and let the lying imbeciles in the White House sink themselves.

Mara and the NPR socialist flunkies are trying to draw Mitt into a trap so the White House can claim the GOP is politicizing the tragedy. Defund them first, Mitt.

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I’m still waiting for the other combat boot to drop. General Ham’s boot, that is. With the stand-down order and a date-time group.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

This makes Watergate pale in comparison. Our people in Benghazi were abandoned, and I am virtually sure it was to protect Obama’s hopes for reelection.

Wolf Howling on November 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

You can’t seriously believe Obama still has hope that he will be re-elected, can you?

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I am willing to believe any reasonable answer to this but we aren’t getting any. If Obama won’t be honest, than theories are going to fill the vacuum. Maybe that is what he hopes, that the stories will get so outrageous that the truth will be more palatable no matter how derelict Obama was.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

funny how he died with pants undone and none of the odd coloring inhalation victims have, funny how his eyes were wide open while dying of inhalation.

I never bought the inhalation meme, especially since the autopsy was done by libyans.

dmacleo on November 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Most keep forgetting the “timeline” of this entire fiasco and what has been reported. Nor videos provided.

I still have no idea why someone like Bret Bauer could forget the video of Stevens’ body dragged through the street and insist he died in a safe room.

Lack of proper safe room was something that was also reported early on when someone asked why would Stevens be in a compound without one instead of Tripoli.

So, not sure what Bret has been reporting, but seems he may be off on some issues.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

You’re very sweet…makes my wussy dog sound like he has a mafia name. He’s a big baby!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said.

Okay, that covers the Consulate grounds. The CIA annex is a mile away. Is that also a diplomatic installation? Outwardly, for pubic consumption purposes, it might be, but what about internally wrt our various agencies? Did the CIA have the final say there, or was it still State that did?

And since it primary function seems to be CIA, um ’cause it’s been called CIA annex, like, forever, what did Patraeus have to say about leaving the annex to the mercy of Al Qaeda several hours into their attack?

Dusty on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Thanks buddy. :)

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

You can’t seriously believe Obama still has hope that he will be re-elected, can you?

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I do. And if he does the MSM, Newt and Beck should be shunned or banished or both.

derft on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I’m still waiting for the other combat boot to drop. General Ham’s boot, that is. With the stand-down order and a date-time group.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

There is no date yet for his retirement. Want to be it’s post election?

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Patraeus have to say about leaving the annex to the mercy of Al Qaeda several hours into their attack?

Dusty on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

He said spontaneous attack in response to web video. On TV. On record. And then vanished, as if he does not exist.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I fail to see why the talking heads seem to think that Mitt Romney is responsible to push all this information forward, I believe both Congress and the Fourth Estate have a constitutional duty to perform oversight, not opposing political candidates.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL. BLINK.

Or face yet another Benghazi thread die with non-stop interruptions.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I have been screaming that they have totally muddled this timeline. I would love it if Allah and/or Ed would recreate it with this new info and talk about all of the static and noise that is floundering out there to confuse the issue…it could absolutely be Pulitzer material (though that term is forever tainted IMO.)
It will be up to citizen journalists if this story is to get any traction whatsoever!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Where are the videos?

Where are the recordings of the radio calls?

Where are the phone records and situation room logbooks?

Who was on duty on SEP 11th during this attack?

We want to hear from them.

Where are the survivors who escaped and what did they see?

What was the president doing and what decisions did he make?

How can we be confident, that if elected, that he won’t leave the rest of us to burn and die while he skates off to feel up beyonce’???

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Here we are, nearly 2 months after the attack, and all we’re hearing is what one group or another didn’t not do (no typo).

When are we going to hear about somebody who did something? I challenge everyone to scour the news for any report where anyone who is still breathing has said “I did this”.

Obama’s pontifications don’t count.

BobMbx on November 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

You have heard – the two who ran to help, who died waiting for
our military.

Noone else did a damn thing. Inaction, however, is an action of
doing nothing.

Amjean on November 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Where is GEN Petraeus and what is his story?

These were his people. What were they doing, what decisions did he make, what information did he pass?

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Man, I would LOVE to see some justice.

After Romney wins on Tuesday, I would love to see Obama impeached during the Lame Duck Session.

BRunner on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Ok, you get to read this here FIRST!

Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the White House staff knew of the Benghazi attack from the beginning.

They had been looking at the protest in Egypt, and were still defending the apology by the US embassy in Egypt for that Video when they were notified of Libya.

The crack team of experts, led by Obama, decided that the Benghazi attack was ‘just another protest’ of this video. Obama decided that it would look terrible if the US were to kill any ‘protester’ so he decided to ‘ride out the situation’.

After the chips fell in ALL the wrong ways, Obama continued to push his idea that it was ‘all about the video’. He sent out ‘talking points’ to the media to cover for his failure to recognize the enemy! The media’s first action was to ambush Romney with a pure political attack based on this exact false premise. (We even got to hear the first part of that plan on that ‘open mic’) For 3 days this story worked so well, with the media propagandists slamming Romney at every chance, that Obama decided to send out Susan Rice to put a new fresh ‘honest’ face on this lie.

Of course without Fox News, and a handfull of congressional members that held a hearing, this LIE would still be the only thing anyone would know about this tragedy.

Freddy on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Was this a case of “paralysis by analysis”??? Hmm, some academic chin pulling and pontificating?? Was there an agreement to “Do Nothing?” If so, who made it, who agreed to it, who signed off on it and where is the order? Why are these men dead?

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?

The information didn’t come in a proper way. If it came by phone at 3:00 AM, I am sure it would have been taken care of.

burt on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I think I’ve figured out the Hail Obama after looking around at Twitter and the web..

Bethune-Cookman is a private college in Daytona Beach where Michelle Obama is. I have no idea if it is now integrated, but it was set up as a school for black Americans. Their team is the Wildcats, and “Hail Wildcats” is either a team yell or from a song.

It’s entirely believable that students were chanting “Hail Obama.” That doesn’t make it any less odd, but it does give credibility to what the reporter said.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Mitt isn’t going to do anything. He is playing out the election clock with a clear victory assured; he’ll do nothing aggressive.

Obama is running out the Benghazi clock, hoping for a miracle.

spiritof61 on November 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I still have no idea why someone like Bret Bauer could forget the video of Stevens’ body dragged through the street and insist he died in a safe room.

Lack of proper safe room was something that was also reported early on when someone asked why would Stevens be in a compound without one instead of Tripoli.

So, not sure what Bret has been reporting, but seems he may be off on some issues.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to watch his reports before continuing to comment?

1. They show the safe room where Stevens was taken.

2. There is no video of Stevens’ body being “dragged through the street.”

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Benghazi has nothing to do with “incompetence”. Nor ability to get into Libyan air space. This was a deliberate hit on our ambassador. Arranged by our own government in cooperation with Libya. No other way to read into this.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

How many Hot Air commenters agree with riddick about this?

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I sure would not rule it out as to explain it by incompetence alone … well … does the entire planet, in total, have that much incompetence?

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

If Hillary has any dream about being President she better put the hammer down on this amateur fraud President we have by the weekend. He certainly isn’t going to fall on any sword for her.

Hummer53 on November 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Man, I would LOVE to see some justice.

After Romney wins on Tuesday, I would love to see Obama impeached during the Lame Duck Session.

BRunner on November 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

If you think about it, that could be the safest thing for the nation. Bottle up this administration fighting an impeachment, keep all the cockroaches busy running for cover rather than looting the till (any more than has already happened).

Followed by a bunch of really stiff prison terms to serve as examples.

AJsDaddie on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

fortunately for barry, his palace guard media complex hasn’t broken with his campaign. Last night the leftist propaganda line from Time and the HILL was that it is toooooooooooo close to the election and the Peasants don’t want to know about this stuff

Carter do have given his left arm to have this kneepad press corpse

these people are just like the royalists…protect your king from all sides.

r keller on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

What troll?

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I fail to see why the talking heads seem to think that Mitt Romney is responsible to push all this information forward, I believe both Congress and the Fourth Estate have a constitutional duty to perform oversight, not opposing political candidates.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

And you’d be right. Any and all republican/conservative PACs could have cut a short video or two on the subject spelling out some facts, like murder of our ambassador and those who tried to defend him. Or put parents of murdered SEALs and diplomat in ads. A number of things.

That said, Romney could mention it once in a while. Just a brief mention would do.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

So, not sure what Bret has been reporting, but seems he may be off on some issues.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

To protect the families from further pain?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Even if you believe that the attack itself was something that couldn’t be defended against, the questions on the lack of security still need to be answered. You can’t put people in these situations and ignore their concerns. I want to know how you can know that someone who did not go there to fight but to establish a relationship with an emerging country is coming under attack, say “Do whatever you can for those folks” and wonder off to bed and Las Vegas? AND THEN LIE ABOUT IT FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS!!!

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

No offense, however, I am sick and tired of hearing excuses
such as “the attack itself was something that couldn’t be defended against”. There is no excuse when the people there were screaming for help. Where are the tapes, NBC?

We are the United States of America with the best military in the
world. I can guarantee that our military men/women were “chomping at the bit” to go and help. They did not get the call. They were held back from aiding.

It is murder….dereliction of duty….and treason. Obama, Hillary
and Panella are complicent and there may be others.

I hope for the sake of the future of our country this issue is
fully investigated and the culprits tried and convicted. We need
to purge the scumbags.

Amjean on November 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

What troll?

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

BLINK

Look at Benghazi threads over the past few days.

PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Where is GEN Petraeus and what is his story?

These were his people. What were they doing, what decisions did he make, what information did he pass?

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

As far as I know, after claiming it was the video, and at least 3 days after the fact, he has been in deep hiding. He could be somewhere on Mars for all I know.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

That’d be a helluva legacy to get convicted by a grand jury and impeached before you open your Office of the President Reject, champ…..

a cryin’ shame yo.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

You mean blink?

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

“CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).

“The CSG is the one group that’s supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies,” a high-ranking government official told CBS News. “They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon…”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force-not-convened-during-benghazi-consul

workingclass artist on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

To protect the families from further pain?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

The truly sad part is that Stevens’ mother said her son’s death is “just a bump in the road”. Have no idea what kind of mother could say that. But then again, she lives in GULAG, so what do I know about being a parent.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

blink believes that Benghazi is more of a lack of resources available to defend in a timely (life saving) manner, riddick does not agree so he has labeled him a troll. I like both commenters so I will leave it at that.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

IGNORE. THE. TROLL.

BLINK

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

blink, when did you flip to trolling? I’m a bit confused by this.

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:36 PM

As far as I know, after claiming it was the video, and at least 3 days after the fact, he has been in deep hiding. He could be somewhere on Mars for all I know.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Probably working on security for Hussein’s new house in HI.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:36 PM

As far as I know, after claiming it was the video, and at least 3 days after the fact, he has been in deep hiding. He could be somewhere on Mars for all I know.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Maybe he is your next door neighbour. You should take a closer look.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

oba-mao is nothing short of a criminal, guilty of aiding and abetting the murder of four Americans, and dereliction of duty by failing to live up to his oath of office (among many, many other crimes). It frosts me to no end that we will be paying him a nice pension until he finally craps out.

ultracon on November 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

riddick, if its blink, lower case. I have never known him to troll. Not even for fun.

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Amjean on November 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I’m not offended, and I don’t think they are making excuses. They aren’t saying anything since their video meme bit the dust. I agree that the thought that they have those people suffering on audio and video is just too horrible.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

You can’t seriously believe Obama still has hope that he will be re-elected, can you?

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Of course he does. He can not think otherwise.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

blink believes that Benghazi is more of a lack of resources available to defend in a timely (life saving) manner, riddick does not agree so he has labeled him a troll. I like both commenters so I will leave it at that.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Why not mention all others who think the same. Benghazi threads over the past few days are good proof.

But, hey, why not let him destroy another Benghazi thread.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Goodness gracious, blink a troll, Dire with obscene smiley faces, one minute bans! What the heII is HA turning into? Funny! ; )

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

riddick, if its blink, lower case. I have never known him to troll. Not even for fun.

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You obviously missed Benghazi threads the past few days.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

You’re very sweet…makes my wussy dog sound like he has a mafia name. He’s a big baby!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I’ve got two labs of my own and while they may spend time practicing their badass look in the mirror, no one’s buying it!

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I must have, Lol!, carry on. ; )

Bmore on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

The truly sad part is that Stevens’ mother said her son’s death is “just a bump in the road”. Have no idea what kind of mother could say that. But then again, she lives in GULAG, so what do I know about being a parent.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Once again, you are spreading misinformation. It was not the Ambassador’s mother who made the comment about “bumps in the road,” it was the mother of Navy SEAL, Glen Doherty.

You keep telling everyone to ignore the troll, it seems to me you’re the one who should be ignored until you can get your facts right.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I’m not offended, and I don’t think they are making excuses. They aren’t saying anything since their video meme bit the dust. I agree that the thought that they have those people suffering on audio and video is just too horrible.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

It sounds like some in Senate have heard the tapes. As did Hannety, or at least he has a good account on what’s on the tapes, including Woods asking for assistance and being denied.

What I have been asking the past few days is why any Senator with access to email and tapes can’t make them public. Is this against the law? If so, what law?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Slight correction. I’m challenging those that definitively claim that the military had adequate options available. I’ve never claimed that the military definitively did NOT have adequate options available – only that it’s quite possible that they didn’t.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Well, that clears it up.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Maybe he is your next door neighbour. You should take a closer look.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I only have one next door neighbor (are you British?) and he would never do that kind of stuff. I do have an old barn about 200 feet behind my house though, so maybe I should check out there before it gets dark. I’ll bring a pitchfork.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

did you happen to see what was written in dust on the bathroom mirror? That’d be, the bathroom with the blood stained toilet…..

if you didn’t, go read it and see for yourself….. very troubling.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I read that. I’m trying to figure out whether this could possibly have been written by Stevens or someone from the FBI/CIA. It appears that someone is speaking from the dead.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Hey, I’m the one who put Hillbuzz’s theory forward. The fact is that we just don’t know and it doesn’t hurt to consider all the possibilities. Threads aren’t ruin because of lack of agreement nor do I think we can vote on who’s theory if the most popular. I think in the United States, we should struggle with the thought that our government had its own emissary murdered. So far we aren’t a third rate lawless dictatorship.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I only have one next door neighbor (are you British?) and he would never do that kind of stuff. I do have an old barn about 200 feet behind my house though, so maybe I should check out there before it gets dark. I’ll bring a pitchfork.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Keep an eye out for the drones mate.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Flora Dah, my apology, you’re right, here is the link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57534825/chris-stevens-mother-speaks-out-on-death-in-libya/

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Sorry, for the inaccuracies but I’m trying to get it right.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Romney should avoid the subject for now and send surrogates. Too dangerous to bring it up before the election. He needs to concentrate on the economy and let the lying imbeciles in the White House sink themselves.

Mara and the NPR socialist flunkies are trying to draw Mitt into a trap so the White House can claim the GOP is politicizing the tragedy. Defund them first, Mitt.

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM PM

True. Once he wins the election tho, he should never let it drop and his administration should launch their own investigation.

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

…Obama can’t claim that the military lacked the capability to save Ambassador Stevens. It’s because after his “horses and bayonets” comment, Obama claimed that he was adequately funding the military in order to provide it adequate capabilities. So, it would be a problem for Obama to now claim that the military didn’t have adequate capabilities.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I should add that I think this is why Obama is stonewalling. It seems as if the truth will make Obama look bad either way. Therefore, Obama is better off allowing idiots like riddick make ridiculous claims about members of the US government killing Ambassador Stevens. Most Americans won’t believe this type of 9/11 Truther accusation, and this gives Obama cover.

The recent article from Bing West and Rumsfeld’s interview with Hugh Hewitt are perfect examples of answers should be demanded from the Obama administration and the MSM.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I think Obama is lying through his teeth, and I wouldn’t trust anything he says that can’t be verified independently. I think “ridiculous claims about members of the US government killing Ambassador Stevens” should be ridiculous, but get more plausible with each revelation. There is definitely a cover-up, and I don’t think it started when the consulate was attacked.

We know that Obama wanted to be able to claim Libya was peaceful, but there’s no way that providing adequate security in Benghazi would have undermined that claim so badly that Obama couldn’t allow it. It was clearly the prudent thing to do, even if you want to pretend it’s unnecessary.

So, either Obama and Hillary are both so incompetent as to ignore all security incidents and attacks, plus the fact that 9/11 was approaching, and “accidentally” pull back needed security at just the wrong time, or it was deliberate.

And if it was deliberate, then why wouldn’t they, when the attack started, have had one of those classic “Oh sh—!! moments and scrambled a response?

I’ve long believed Obama was incompetent, but this is a stretch. It demands you believe everyone else in his administration is just that incompetent.

This is one of those extreme situations where the tin-foil hat theory starts to look more plausible week by week.

Ambassador Stevens is Uriah the Hittite. Did the White House have him killed? No. But they seemd strangely uninterested in keeping him alive and safe.

So who or what is Bathsheba?

tom on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Slight correction. I’m challenging those that definitively claim that the military had adequate options available. I’ve never claimed that the military definitively did NOT have adequate options available – only that it’s quite possible that they didn’t.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM

They most powerful, and by far most expensive, military ever on Earth was helpless? You must be kidding or else I want my money back and all of it. I got a better deal with all that beach front property in Kansas I bought.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If they ever get heard, no matter what could or couldn’t have been done for those men, Obama would be done.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I read that. I’m trying to figure out whether this could possibly have been written by Stevens or someone from the FBI/CIA. It appears that someone is speaking from the dead.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Do you have a link you could post please. I cannot find it.

derft on November 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

“CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).

“The CSG is the one group that’s supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies,” a high-ranking government official told CBS News. “They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon…”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force-not-convened-during-benghazi-consul

workingclass artist on November 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM

This is huge. It completely contradicts Obama saying that he’d ordered that everything be done to protect our people under attack. This step would’ve been the very first that would need to be done to carry out his order, and since the CSG was’nt engaged, Obama has blood on his hands.

Romney MUST talk about this over the next 5 days, and since CBS has taken up the story, as it appears, all of the media will have to start reporting on it.

TXUS on November 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I read that. I’m trying to figure out whether this could possibly have been written by Stevens or someone from the FBI/CIA. It appears that someone is speaking from the dead.

bluefox on November 1, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Or, it could have been written by any of the dozens of locals who traipsed through the building before the FBI got there, which is my guess.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If they ever get heard, no matter what could or couldn’t have been done for those men, Obama would be done.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I understand. My question is, What keeps a Senator from releasing such a tape or emails? Is there a law he or she may be breaking in the process?

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I truly love reading your posts. They are always thoughtful and well-informed. Your sources and links are always helpful, so I will investigate this and try to validate, but I’m pretty sure I remember Hillary talking in her monotone-robotic voice (which was incredibly eerie to me at the time) on 9/12 how Amb. Stevens was “carried on the shoulders of Libyans” to the hospital, and was alive when arrived. Then we heard about the rape, then we heard about the on-going pleas for help. This is NOT a nice, tidy package. This is a nasty, smelly, evil, ugly, horrid, sadistic, slimy, hideous mess. If I could think of more adjectives to describe it off the top of my head, I would list them, but it would require further thought and I am enraged and require a cocktail. Cheers!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

So who or what is Bathsheba?

tom on November 1, 2012 at 7:44 PM

The weapons going to Syria.

oldroy on November 1, 2012 at 7:48 PM

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