Documents found in Benghazi consulate claimed “troubling” surveillance by Libyan guards; Update: Obama not participating in investigation; Report: State never requested military back-up during attack

posted at 4:41 pm on November 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

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Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

The two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound on what would turn out to be a tragic day. They also indicate that Stevens and his team had officially requested additional security at the Benghazi compound for his visit — and that they apparently did not feel it was being provided.

One letter, written on Sept. 11 and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Benghazi, reads:

“Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.”

I’ve been begging for follow-up on Sean Smith’s now famous chat-room message, sent on the morning of 9/11, claiming that a Libyan guard had been seen taking photos of the compound. “Assuming we don’t die tonight,” he said glibly at the time. Until today that was the only hard evidence of an inside job by the skeleton Libyan security staff that State forced Stevens to make do with. Had Smith overreacted to something he saw, maybe, or were others at the compound also concerned? Now we know.

They were so concerned, in fact, that they alerted not only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but the local police chief too. Funny thing: According to Foreign Policy, the chief was fired just one week later — but refused to step down and is technically still on the job, albeit on “sick leave.” And what about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? The head of the local office claims that he never got any letter from the consulate — but the local police office says that it was, in fact, the Ministry that notified them of the consulate’s request for more police during Stevens’s upcoming visit. Here’s how that went:

“On Sunday, September 9, 2012, the U.S. mission requested additional police support at our compound for the duration of U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens’ visit. We requested daily, twenty-four hour police protection at the front and rear of the U.S. mission as well as a roving patrol. In addition we requested the services of a police explosive detection dog,” the letter reads.

“We were given assurances from the highest authorities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that all due support would be provided for Ambassador Stevens’ visit to Benghazi. However, we are saddened to report that we have only received an occasional police presence at our main gate. Many hours pass when we have no police support at all.”

Normally I’d chalk up the lying to simple ass-covering after a gigantic security embarrassment, but given the element of an inside job introduced by the documents, I don’t know. In a city under the thumb of militias, how unlikely is it that people at the Ministry or inside the local police bureau were warned to keep security low at the consulate that night? Foreign Policy notes too that this new info contradicts a briefing given by the State Department on October 9 in which they claimed that there had been no security incidents at the consulate that day. A guard taking photos of the compound does, I trust, normally qualify as a “security incident,” so now we have a new question for the White House. Did State know about the guard snapping pics? If it did, why didn’t they rush some of the security assets in place in Tripoli and Italy to the consulate out of an abundance of caution on the anniversary of 9/11? If they didn’t, why wasn’t basic security at the consulate increased beforehand anyway as the consulate had been requesting for months?

Via RCP, here’s Catherine Herridge from Fox last night reminding you what State did, indisputably, know and what they chose not to do about it. Look out for the words “smoking gun.” Al Qaeda had training camps in the city and the consulate had next to no protection, and that’s somehow not enough to warrant sending extra security?

Update: If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him. Disgrace:

Today, the White House press secretary let it slip during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that President Obama’s inaction on the Benghazi situation now extends to inaction on the supposed investigation taking place. The administration has still not made clear what exactly is being investigated, or the extent of the investigation. And President Obama doesn’t much care. Said Carney:

“He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.”

That’s from Ben Shapiro, who rightly notes that the investigation into what happened when the consulate requested help likely extends not much further than Obama’s own desk. He could tell us what he knew and what he did after the attack began, but he won’t because he cares about the election more than answering the public.

Update: Defense officials have decided that they’re not going to be the fall guys for the Barack and Hillary Show. New from Eli Lake:

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith, both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

But military backup may have made a difference at around five the following morning, when a second wave of attackers assaulted the CIA annex where embassy personnel had taken refuge. It was during this second wave of attacks that two ex-SEALs working for the CIA’s security teams—Glenn Dougherty and Tyrone Woods—were killed in a mortar strike…

“The State Department is responsible for assessing security at its diplomatic installations and for requesting support from other government agencies if they need it,” a senior U.S. Defense official said. “There was no request from the Department of State to intervene militarily on the night of the attack.”

The president, however, would have the final say as to whether or not to send in the military.

Typically it’s the ambassador who’s responsible for calling in the military, says Lake, but since Stevens was out of contact (and likely dead) early on, it was State’s call. Why didn’t they make it? Bear in mind that they likely had no firm idea about Stevens’s fate until the attack was over; for all they knew, he was holed up in the consulate somewhere waiting for the cavalry. Did Hillary ask Obama to do something? If she didn’t, why didn’t he do something anyway?


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I want to see Charlene Lamb’s emails and cables – all of them for 01 September on.
She’s Hillary’s gate-keeper on this, and we need to know what she was asked for from Libya, and what she passed on to Hillary.
Then we need to see Hill’s email and cable logs.
Did she pass relevant information up-the-chain directly to the President, or was she talking through Tom Donilon?

Another Drew on November 1, 2012 at 6:21 PM

It’s OK, folks. Go back to watching Honey Boo-Boo: Al Qaeda is decimated. Whew! I feel safer already.

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/01/obama-wisconsin-al-qaeda-decimated/

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 6:21 PM

First time I’ve seen that Stevens died of smoke inhalation…but maybe I’m nuts, as no one else seems to have mentioned this little tidbit!

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith,both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Hicks initially ignored his calls because he didn’t recognize the number.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Yes, that’s my understanding…but I believe Chaffetz said that Hicks answered after the third time… and he did speak with the Mr. Stevens at that point.

lynncgb on November 1, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Think simpler. It’s a pain in the neck trying to get Libya to agree to our military coming into their airspace to shoot the place up.

winoceros on November 1, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Huh!? Prey do tell what would Libya do?

Recall when Israeli planes rattled the windows in Assad’s residence recently, what with Syria having a real air force. Let me know what transpired.

Benghazi has nothing to do with “incompetence”. Nor ability to get into Libyan air space. This was a deliberate hit on our ambassador. Arranged by our own government in cooperation with Libya. No other way to read into this.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Looks like they are looking to pass this off on Greg Hicks for now. That ought to buy them two more days.

DanMan on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

rayra on November 1, 2012 at 6:20 PM

When was Crowley on her panel? I must have missed that. Crowley’s at CNN. Why was she on FOX?

I saw a panel last night with three guys: Byron York, someone from The Hill, and a third, I believe from Time. The only one who seemed to be attempting to help the WH was the guy from Time, and he was the least impressive in what he had to say. He was also a little guy sandwiched in between two much larger men, and I thought that was an interesting visual setup.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Remember Benghazi.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

“He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.”

“He”, the Emperor, is above it all and not in any way responsible or culpable. Someone has failed the Emperor. Rest assured He will get to the bottom of this and punish those responsible.

If only the Emperor had known what was happening beforehand this could have all been avoided. All will be disclosed and heads will roll…. after the election. Trust your Emperor.

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Instapundit linked to a great editorial over at the Las Vegas Review Journal.

I immediately linked it on Facebook. So many of my friends will ignore anything from a conservative site – but looks like the story is finally hitting the mainstream. The LV-RJ account is brutal!

This is why Obama is pushing for all of the early voting… I would expect at least some early Obama voters may regret their choice if this really blows apart before Tuesday!

azblondie on November 1, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Wait a second….according to Congressman Chaffetz….Ambassador Stevens did call the Deputy Chief of mission in Tripoli, Gregory Hicks, not too long after the attack began…and told Hicks they were under attack. So that should have automatically triggered military help?

lynncgb on November 1, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Yes, but most likely the military sitting right under Hicks’ nose, the part of his own Marine detail that could be spared (remember they were under threat of attack, too). They were military, and they came. They brought the plane. No outside military (outside Libya) were actually requested by BHO or HRC. Dempsey must have been bending his own finger backwards to keep from screaming while listening to this convo. Ham had already been preparing, because that’s what you do, and Dempsey told him to cease and desist because BHO had it all figured out. Panetta was then able to say that they didn’t have enough intel, like, what color the gardenias were outside the compound, or something.

winoceros on November 1, 2012 at 6:28 PM

BOTH HILLARY AND OBAMA ARE COVERING UP.

Otherwise, one would have thrown the other under the bus by now.

Traitorous incompetence.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

First time I’ve seen that Stevens died of smoke inhalation…but maybe I’m nuts, as no one else seems to have mentioned this little tidbit!

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith,both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

No, you’re not nuts. Its the first thing that jumped at me in the blog. Didn’t Libya report that he was taken to a hospital, in bad shape, by the “samaritans” who just happened to be there that night? You know, a battle was raging and locals decided to take a stroll.

More and more lies. Libyans tried to conceal their involvement as well.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/letters/letters-benghazi/article_e1a86748-dcca-5660-8096-8c56ead10209.html

I take extreme offense to the idea that our military forces were prevented from responding to the call for help from our embassy and the failure to safeguard our diplomatic mission. It doesn’t take intelligence specialists to think that there may be some type of terrorists’ action to mark 9/11.

The Obama administration didn’t know what to do and prevented those who could have stopped the attackers and saved lives from doing their jobs. To make matters worse the Obama administrative continues to lie and use deceit to cover up their lack of preparedness; inability to make a decisions; and ineptness in dealing with crisis situations.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Looks like the biggest problem in Barry’s on-going “investigation” is trying to find a fall guy.

Perhaps Hillary!’s earlier “I take full responsibility” may well blow up in her face.

HINT TO THE CLINTONS: Barry gets re-elected he won’t need either of you anymore.

How’s it fell to be used?

GarandFan on November 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Now there are rumblings that one or more of these so-called news networks have emails from the National Security Advisor’s office telling a counter-terrorism unit to stand down. If that’s true, they must tell the American people what they know, and how long they’ve known it. And if it isn’t true, then the networks need to say so. Their silence is deafening.

The Obama administration’s cover-up of their deceitful response to the Benghazi terrorist attack is without a doubt the biggest political news story of 2012. The American people have a right to know what really happened before they cast their ballots on Election Day.

If ABC, CBS, NBC, The Washington Post, and the New York Times refuse to ask the tough questions, then they no longer serve any purpose. And if they’re sitting on evidence to help Obama win re-election, they’re as guilty in this cover-up as is the administration.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2012/11/01/bozell-statement-liberal-media-are-accessories-benghazi-cover#ixzz2B0r8S3V1

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

and in light of the news from the Michelle Obama rally…..

ALL HAIL, OBAMA!!!

At campaign a rally featuring First Lady Michelle Obama in Daytona, Florida, there were reportedly chants of “Hail Obama,” according to one local reporter. Mike Synan, a local reporter at WOFL FOX 35, writes on Twitter:

Crowd for #FLOTUS event in Daytona now chanting “Hail Obama”. Wow, just wow #fox35

— Mike Synan (@msynan) November 1, 2012

Minutes later, he repeated his claim:

True. Would not lie. Chanting “Hail Obama” RT @jeffreybillman: @msynan For real, or are you just Drudge-baiting?

— Mike Synan (@msynan) November 1, 2012

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Just saw a post on Ace, which I am so stealing!! It applies here and elsewhere til Nov. 7th:
To Early voter leaving the voting booth: How long did you have to wait to vote?
Voter: 4 years.
I AM SO READY!!!!!

txmomof6 on November 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Monica Crowley, the cute blond chick.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Excellent coverage, Allahpundit. Thank you.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Exactly. The blogs and Fox news, exposing the truth other journalists are too cowardly to expose.

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Big Bird.

Benghazi.

Binders.

Benghazi.

Bayonets.

Benghazi.

Bain.

Benghazi.

Benghazi.

Benghazi.

Benghazi.

Throw that one, single place in the face of every single damned Leftest whenever they bring up ANYTHING to distract, to throw out a shiny object. There is only one answer to each of them and it is the same.

Benghazi.

ajacksonian on November 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I would expect at least some early Obama voters may regret their choice if this really blows apart before Tuesday!

azblondie on November 1, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Main reason for only the overseas military contingent allowed to vote early or via absentee ballots. Everyone else votes on election day, no expections.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

First time I’ve seen that Stevens died of smoke inhalation…but maybe I’m nuts, as no one else seems to have mentioned this little tidbit!

It’s unlikely any outside military team could have arrived in Benghazi quickly enough to save Ambassador Chris Stevens or his colleague Sean Smith,both of whom died from smoke inhalation after a band of more than 100 men overran the U.S. mission at around 9:30 p.m. that evening and set the buildings inside ablaze.

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

No, you’re not nuts. Its the first thing that jumped at me in the blog. Didn’t Libya report that he was taken to a hospital, in bad shape, by the “samaritans” who just happened to be there that night? You know, a battle was raging and locals decided to take a stroll.

More and more lies. Libyans tried to conceal their involvement as well.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

What about those pictures of him being dragged through the street????

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

So hang the media out to dry with the administration. I hate these people with a passion.

Bishop on November 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Monica Crowley, the cute blond chick.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

She’s got more balls than almost entire Fox News male contingent (discounting guys on Red Eye).

Can you imagine she is the twin sister of Allan Colmes’ wife? Who turned out to be a rabid communist, just like her husband. Have no idea who twins could turn out this way.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

First time I’ve seen that Stevens died of smoke inhalation…but maybe I’m nuts, as no one else seems to have mentioned this little tidbit!

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

This fact was reported on Bret Baer’s first special about Beghazi a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it was widely known well before that because it wasn’t presented as new information.

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Your name has always cracked me up, but I haven’t seen you around here for a long time!

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Hail Obama.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You retards.

Bishop on November 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Benghazi has nothing to do with “incompetence”. Nor ability to get into Libyan air space. This was a deliberate hit on our ambassador. Arranged by our own government in cooperation with Libya. No other way to read into this.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM

With incredible sadness and anger, I have to agree with that: +1

bofh on November 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM

What about those pictures of him being dragged through the street????

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Yep, although as media pointed out “…it was difficult to say if he was alive at that point”. But well past the sodomy part, that’s for sure, part they did not report at all.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM

I’ve been reading a lot of posts with references to Glenn Beck- what is it that he’s saying about the networks having emails?

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Sharyl Attkisson – “Sources: Key task force not convened during Benghazi consulate attack”

CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).

“The CSG is the one group that’s supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies,” a high-ranking government official told CBS News. “They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon.”

Information shared with CBS News from top counterterrorism sources in the government and military reveal keen frustration over the U.S. response on Sept. 11, the night ambassador Chris Stevens and 3 other Americans were killed in a coordinated attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.

Flora Duh on November 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Yes, but most likely the military sitting right under Hicks’ nose, the part of his own Marine detail that could be spared (remember they were under threat of attack, too). They were military, and they came.

winoceros on November 1, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Thank you…That’s what I was sort of guessing…I’m sure the ambassador never dreamed the response he would get would be the bare minimum.

lynncgb on November 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM

This fact was reported on Bret Baer’s first special about Beghazi a couple of weeks ago. I’m guessing it was widely known well before that because it wasn’t presented as new information.

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

BOTH HILLARY AND OBAMA ARE COVERING UP.

Otherwise, one would have thrown the other under the bus by now.

Traitorous incompetence.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM

By your logic, which I agree with, Defense (Panetta and Joint Chiefs) and CIA (Petraeus) are right there with them. The whole G_d damn barrel is rotten.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/01/secret-cable-revelation-blows-open-benghazi-cover-up-story/

The revelation of the cable follows the report on Friday by Fox’s Jennifer Griffin that CIA officers in Benghazi had been ordered to “stand down” when they wanted to help repel the attack on the consulate about a mile away. Fox also reported that the CIA officers at the annex had asked for military support when the annex came under fire later, but they had also been turned down.

Questions on what happened before, during, and after the Benghazi attack continue to pile up, and just a few media outlets seem to be looking for real answers.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Monica Crowley, the cute blond chick.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Thanks, I know who she is. Off the top of my head I can’t recall what she’s said recently.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

**************** ALERT ****************************

Officials tell @AP – Security officers went to aid of Benghazi consulate within minutes of first call

6 mins ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-consulate-attacked-in-libya

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

And then was dragged through the streets, all on video? Does not compute. Sorry.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM

To Early voter leaving the voting booth: How long did you have to wait to vote?

Voter: 4 years.

txmomof6 on November 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

You made my night! LOL!!!!!

Happy Nomad on November 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

By your logic, which I agree with, Defense (Panetta and Joint Chiefs) and CIA (Petraeus) are right there with them. The whole G_d damn barrel is rotten.

VorDaj on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Make no mistake about it.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57544088/new-documents-reveal-events-leading-up-to-benghazi-attack/

well, at least its getting reported at CBS…..nothing harmful to captain kickass of course. Just fair, down the line reporting…./

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Well we all know what the rat-eared coward thinks about providing help in these situations. Our people serving overseas might as well be botched abortion babies.

Happy Nomad on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Right. IIRC, Bret Baer’s special reported that looters found his body. Because he seemed to show some signs of life some of them, or someone they turned him over to, transported him to a local hospital. The medical staff tried to revive him but could not.

farsighted on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

IGNORE. THE. TROLL. PLEASE.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I’ve been reading a lot of posts with references to Glenn Beck- what is it that he’s saying about the networks having emails?

BettyRuth on November 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM

It’s what Newt said the other day.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/31/gingrich-rumor-says-networks-have-white-house-emails-telling-counterterrorism-group-to-stand-down-on-benghazi-rescue/

He did say it was a rumor.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

WTF! I am so FURIOUS over this! No greater betrayal than to leave those guys standing there with no help. I want someone’s head over this!

graywaiter on November 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

How big is this story? Bigger than Watergate. No one was killed in that burglary, and no one covered up the truth about the deaths of four brave Americans.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2012/11/01/bozell-statement-liberal-media-are-accessories-benghazi-cover#ixzz2B0uizAzO

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

**************** ALERT ****************************

Officials tell @AP – Security officers went to aid of Benghazi consulate within minutes of first call

6 mins ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-consulate-attacked-in-libya

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Please take a look right below that link. It says that one of the attackers was killed in Egypt.

This is how this whole thing will go down, Hussein saying they were all killed. Without one shred of proof and evidence.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Oh, nevermind.

Carry on.

rogerb

I wish I had seen moron Ric’s response you quoted at the time he posted it so I could make sure he knows that I know he is the moron that he is.

So Ric, if you’re reading this….you are a MORON!!!

xblade on November 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Donald Rumsfeld on Hugh Hewitt

Donald Rumsfeld on Hugh Hewitt just said that he doesn’t think General Ham has been fired because of Benghazi, and said that the problem was that AFRICOM was not “properly staffed up” and “did not have the assets” that would have been needed. This fits with the accounts that the assets from European derived assets that arrived in Sig were from EUCOM. He made no other mention of military capability.

blink on November 1, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I’d tend to agree. It is absurd that we have AFRICOM as a unique Combatant Commander. This is not an area with a clear need for the DoD. The State Department should be taking the lead in Africa with a minimal military presence.

Happy Nomad on November 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM

IGNORE. THE. TROLL. PLEASE. PRETTY PLEASE.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

That’s just. Seriously? How sad. Just, what a way to go.

But, you know, “hail obama”

WitchDoctor on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

He died locked up in the caged “safe room” area of the compound. It was only suppose to last long enough for help to arrive. They couldn’t get to him so they lit the place on fire. He died of asphyxiation.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Then where did the blood come from that was smeared on the toilets?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Then where did the blood come from that was smeared on the toilets?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

And the video of him being dragged through the streets.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I can’t even believe what I’m reading sometimes. What went down in Benghazi appears to have been totally preventable had we had competent leadership in multiple levels in the White House administration. I expect mistakes. I expect blunders. But not at this level. And to have them all stonewall and cover up and lie about what happened is just pathetic and despicable. It makes me ill. We’ve never had a president and everyone under him fail so horribly. Never. He should be hanging his head in shame, not hopping across the country smiling and waving as if he were king. I would expect that from someone like Gaddafi, not from a US President.

What’s even more disturbing is that he still commands as much support and approval as he does. Why?

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

RePosty/ReView:
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Drones were circling above U.S. consulate during Libya attack but officials decided NOT to mount a rescue mission

*U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens repeatedly pleaded with the State Department for additional security personnel
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*Republicans say the Obama administration denied the request for political reasons

*The White House says it had no role in procuring security detail for Stevens

PUBLISHED: 15:01 GMT, 19 October 2012 | UPDATED: 17:49 GMT, 20 October 2012
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220153/Christopher-Stevens-Ambassador-pleaded-extra-security-Libya-hours-killed.html

Oct 19, 2012 3:22pm
Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi
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Republicans on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform have released new documents backing up claims by security personnel previously station in Libya that there was a shortage of security personnel in Benghazi.

The documents
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http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DEI-to-BHO-10-19-2012-attachments.pdf

contain previously unreleased cables from Ambassador Stevens and his staff reflecting concerns about safety in the country.

The U.S. State Department did not have an immediate comment.

One signed by Stevens and titled “LIBYA’S FRAGILE SECURITY DETERIORIATES AS TRIBAL RIVALRIES, POWER PLAYS AND EXTREMISM INTENSIFY,”

dated June 25, 2012, assess the increase in violence. ”From April to June, Libya also witnesses an increase in attacks targeting international organizations and foreign interests,” Stevens wrote, describing attacks on a United Nations official in Benghazi, International Committee for the Red Cross buildings in Benghazi and Misrata, and IED at the mission in Benghazi, and RPG fired at the British Ambassador’s convoy, and an attack on the consulate of Tunisia.
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/documents-back-up-claims-of-requests-for-greater-security-in-benghazi/

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Where are the 30 Benghazi survivors and Woods and Doherty saved? Why aren’t they being interviewed?

Who are they?

Where are they?

JustTruth101 on November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

I bet Lara Logan would love to do a story on 60 Minutes on this!

PattyJ on November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Why are these “officials” saying this now? I believe all those security officers were Libyans who were hired by Blue Mountain, the British group in charge of Benghazi security.

Blue Mountain hired about 20 Libyan men – including some who say they had minimal training – to screen visitors and help patrol the mission at Benghazi, according to Reuters interviews.

Some of the guards sustained injuries and said they were ill-prepared to protect themselves or others when heavily armed militants last month stormed the rented villa that was serving as the mission.

They also described being hired by Blue Mountain after a casual recruiting and screening process.

Is the WH trying to muddy the waters by claiming they did get help?

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

I’m waiting for our trolls to start chiming in on “welcoming an investigation into the incident”.

How about the facts in evidence? Care to dispute them?

Bueller? Bueller?

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

IGNORE. THE. TROLL. PLEASE. PRETTY PLEASE.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I don’t know why anyone engages with them, they always hijack the thread and just when you start to get some interesting conversations, bam, they come in and ruin it all.

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Breaking on FNC- Counterterrorism Group not convened during the Libya attack.

In other words, this was political from the beginning. A terrorist attack did not fit the campaign claims of Al Qaeda being on its heels.

Happy Nomad on November 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

What’s even more disturbing is that he still commands as much support and approval as he does. Why?

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

the truth is a stranger to many people…..they are easily fooled. like sheep.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Why are these “officials” saying this now? I believe all those security officers were Libyans who were hired by Blue Mountain, the British group in charge of Benghazi security.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

State Dept. “requirement” for these guards were not to carry guns. All other companies passed on the contract, for obvious reasons.

Not only were they not armed, but some were on Al Qaeda payroll as it turns out. Double whammy for Al Qaeda.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Per Fox……….Breaking

Counter terrorism group was never called in per Jennifer Griffin.

Was that up there in what AP posted?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

****************** RED ALERT ***************************

The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: US officials say there was no delay or debate over #Libya rescue effort; team never told to stand down: http://apne.ws/SBpu4i
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US officials: No delays in rescue effort in Libya
By LOLITA C. BALDOR
— Nov. 1 6:37 PM EDT
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WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence officials are offering a new timeline detailing the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, saying CIA security officers went to the aid of State Department staff less than 25 minutes after they got the first call for help.

They say the team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans, but when none was available left anyway. They say that at no point was the team told to delay or stand down.

The timeline was offered to rebut news reports that U.S. officials told rescuers to wait.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to provide intelligence information.

The officials said early information that the attackers had ties to al-Qaida linked groups was not made public immediately because it was based on classified intelligence.
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-officials-no-delays-rescue-effort-libya-0#overlay-context=article/springsteen-jay-z-boost-obama-final-day

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Per Fox……….Breaking

Counter terrorism group

was never called in per Jennifer Griffin.

Was that up there in what AP posted?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

How about OSHA? I mean, we could consider this workplace violence, no? There is precedent.

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Yes.

thatsafactjack on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I’m waiting for our trolls to start chiming in on “welcoming an investigation into the incident”.

How about the facts in evidence? Care to dispute them?

Bueller? Bueller?

itsspideyman on November 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

One already did.

Main reason I asked not to engage him (blink). Its duty is to hijack any and all Benghazi threads, as it has done since Saturday.

Axelrod Jr. is more like it.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Mara Liasson thinks Obama is going to have to talk about Libya. Mara, the few brief times he has (by force during the debates), he lied.

Liberals are amusing.

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

DO NOT ENGAGE THE TROLL.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Fox panel

Romney needs to start talking about this ASAP for the rest of the media to start paying attention.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

US officials: No delays in rescue effort in Libya

I would have to tend to disagree with that statement.
@AmbassadorStevens

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

This is just too weird and very disturbing.

Mike Synan@msynan

Politics and Government Reporter at WOFL Fox 35. Get local, state, and national political updates here plus breaking news in Orlando

@pizentu I did not mishear. Was not the full crowd. Someone would yell “hail Obama” and hundreds that could hear that person would repeat

INC on November 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

The officials said early information that the attackers had ties to al-Qaida linked groups was not made public immediately because it was based on classified intelligence.

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Hilarious! Petraus himself said on TV this was nothing but a spontaneous attack in response to web video. On September 14th? DAYS after the attack.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Question – Why was our supposed top law enforcement agency, FBI, leaving documents behind unless they were told by the DOJ not to retrieve any potentially damning information. They would not be so usually be so careless

Had to dust off the tin hat.

HoustonRight on November 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Then where did the blood come from that was smeared on the toilets?

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I don’t know. Watch that Bred Bair special. It showed the thick iron bar cage they installed around this secured area. They said it was built to be secure until reinforcements could be sent. It was sort of a “Safe Room” which was part of the upgrades they did to the building after leasing it.

I am sure they said he was locked in this area, awaiting rescue and the militants dumped Diesel all over the place and left.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

The story is on the verge of breaking out over the heads of MSM.

OK, Mitt. If you want it to happen before the election, it’s your turn at bat again. Knock this ball out of the park, ’cause if you can’t do it, it won’t get done.

It’s a slow curve comin’ in. Home run, Mitt!

petefrt on November 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

And now a secret service member of Obama’s security detail has killed himself…

tom daschle concerned on November 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Romney needs to start talking about this ASAP for the rest of the media to start paying attention.

JPeterman on November 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I have no idea why any of GOP PACs have not done a quick ad on the subject. A 1 minute ad would do wonders to educate even some rabid communists.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?

I don’t believe the FBI ever made it there, or really planned to go. If anyone has hard evidence of FBI agents in the burned-out site I’d like to see it.

FBI involvement was a scam used to delay answering questions for several weeks.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

What if Benghazi happened when there was no election…who would be responsible for getting the attention of the legacy media?

d1carter on November 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

They would not be so usually be so careless.

Damn 2nd grade flunkee

HoustonRight on November 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Philly on November 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

She also said Romney needs to speak of it but I’m afraid if he does that while the WH is saying the facts aren’t in yet (BS) and they’re “investigating” and blah blah blah, it might blow up in his face. And that’s the LAST thing we need with 5 days to go and things as close as they are. We have GOT TO GET THIS CLOWN OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE! I say let Romney keep doing what he’s doing, it’s obviously working well, and let McCain and Congress keep demanding answers, not Romney.

scalleywag on November 1, 2012 at 7:03 PM

I don’t know. Watch that Bred Bair special. It showed the thick iron bar cage they installed around this secured area. They said it was built to be secure until reinforcements could be sent. It was sort of a “Safe Room” which was part of the upgrades they did to the building after leasing it.

I am sure they said he was locked in this area, awaiting rescue and the militants dumped Diesel all over the place and left.

portlandon on November 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Actually, if you go back and read some of the reports, lack of proper safe room at Benghazi was one of the issues with the safety of the place. Was mentioned early on and then quickly “forgotten”, most likely to fit the WH narrative.

Not slight to Bret and his efforts, simply saying that even he may not have tight info at this point.

riddick on November 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to provide intelligence information.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-officials-no-delays-rescue-effort-libya-0#overlay-context=article/springsteen-jay-z-boost-obama-final-day

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

At this point no one believes that. If it were true, then the WH would have said this weeks and weeks ago.

Jennifer Griffin posted this on the 26th.

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators twice to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

An administration with a proven history of lying has no credibility.

INC on November 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Breaking on FNC- Counterterrorism Group not convened during the Libya attack.

In other words, this was political from the beginning. A terrorist attack did not fit the campaign claims of Al Qaeda being on its heels.

Happy Nomad on November 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Happy Nomad:

I sent an Email last week to ED with links,and I stated,er,theorized,

it was,

POLITICALLY CALCULATED,from Obama’s End!

Team Blue made a judgement,to sacrifice the Benghazi Consulate for
Obama’s Re-Election,a DARK STORY will eventually come out,er,the truth that is!!:)

canopfor on November 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM

There are dead Americans and still, the MSM seems to think that any attention paid to this is purely political in nature. That’s not true folks, but, what other way than through political penalties can a politician be punished for crimes he committed while he’s a f*cking politician?!!

ted c on November 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Lets just cut to the facts .The request for help came in the military put a plan into action.Obama himself said NO NO NO .The general in charge went ballistic and was fired.4 American died.Obama has blood on his hands.Impeachment chargers should be introduces ASAP.

logman1 on November 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

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