ADP report shows 158K private-sector jobs added
posted at 9:21 am on November 1, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
ADP’s brand-new paradigm for predicting job growth in the private sector got off to a somewhat rocky start this morning; their site crashed after the release for a brief period. Their new report, using Moody Analytics, is intended to close the running gap between their projections and the BLS report from the Establishment Survey. Today’s report with the new processes predicts that the US economy added 158,000 jobs in October, above analyst projections but still not a robust rate of growth:
Private sector employment increased by 158,000 jobs from September to October, according to the October ADP National Employment Report®, which is produced by Automatic Data Processing, Inc. (ADP®), a leading provider of human capital management solutions, in collaboration with Moody’s Analytics. The report, which is derived from ADP’s actual payroll data, measures the change in total nonfarm private employment each month on a seasonally-adjusted basis.
Generally speaking, the economy has to add 125,000 jobs each month just to keep up with population growth. This would make October a slightly positive month — if the new processes from Moody Analytics has corrected the chronic overshoot at ADP. Normally, I’d take 60% of the ADP figure and project the BLS number from that. Under that plan, I’d guess that we’re looking at somewhere around 100,000 jobs added in tomorrow’s official report, which would be slightly under the minimum growth necessary.
In other news, the Department of Labor reported a slight decline in new jobless claims last week, but nothing outside of the ordinary:
In the week ending October 27, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 363,000, a decrease of 9,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 372,000. The 4-week moving average was 367,250, a decrease of 1,500 from the previous week’s revised average of 368,750.
The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.5 percent for the week ending October 20, unchanged from the prior week’s unrevised rate. The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending October 20 was 3,263,000, an increase of 4,000 from the preceding week’s revised level of 3,259,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,266,500, a decrease of 6,250 from the preceding week’s revised average of 3,272,750.
The decline in this case isn’t statistically significant. We have operated in a range from 360K-380K since the spring of 2011. The four-week average still lands squarely in that range, as does this week’s level, even without the now-obligatory upward adjustment the next week. While this data isn’t a direct correlation to job growth, as a series it does correlate, at least indirectly, to the health of job creation in the economy. That health hasn’t changed much over the last 18 months.
CNBC seems excited by the news, though:
The private sector created a better-than-expected 158,000 jobs in October, while jobless claims edged lower and productivity rose about as much as expected.
A day after the firm sharply lowered its original count for September, ADP and Macroeconomic Advisors, working now with Moody’s Analytics, said the service sector once again had a big month for job creation.
Services comprised most of the October total, ringing up 144,000 jobs while the goods-producing sector made up the balance at 14,000.
They also note that ADP still hasn’t quite fine-tuned its changes:
The ADP changeover in the way it was handling its monthly job count created a stir Wednesday when the firm said the original 162,000 new positions reported for September actually came down to 88,200 under the new methodology. …
That number was changed again Thursday, revised mildly upward to 114,000, close to the government’s number for the same month.
What does this mean for tomorrow’s BLS report? I would expect the Establishment Survey to report something close to September’s level of job growth, perhaps as high as 120,000 new jobs. However, I would also expect that outlier from the Household Survey last month to correct itself in this report, which would push the jobless rate higher. I’ll guess 8.0% for that part of tomorrow’s report.
What do you think tomorrow’s jobs-added number will be? Take the poll:
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Uncle Sugar will figure out a way to Fast-n-FallingOver the situation to blame America and tax the hellouttait anyway.
Limerick on May 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Even a blind pig…
Cleombrotus on May 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM
“I like girls who drink beer.” – Toby Keith
myiq2xu on May 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM
This is what senators are worried about — the excise tax on beer?
Liam on May 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM
These bills have been around for a few years, but the problem is that the explosive growth of this industry will make lessening the tax — at least in Congress’s books — more expensive.
Finding a pay for that both sides can agree on will be difficult.
bomble on May 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Its a good move since the blossoming up of home-brew has been great for this nation, but my understanding of the issue is that many big brewers own smaller craft brews, so they will qualify as well. Of course its all good if you think about it.
rob verdi on May 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM
This is great news!
Those White house beer summits will be cheaper…
Electrongod on May 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Bi-partisan? BS.
Craft beer appeals to blue-staters and the “smart growth” crowd which is why you see a guy like Schumer, who normally can’t find a tax he doesn’t like, suddenly so hot to reduce taxes on “craft beer”.
A lot of these small breweries, like the ones in my Upstate NY town already receive a ton of tax incentives and property tax breaks to locate in downtown areas. Guess who pays for that? The property taxpayers like me, who pay the full tax on my own property.
Don’t worry, old Chuckie, I’m sure, is quick working on a way to make up for the lost revenue, particularly in NY State where everything that moves is already taxed. And I’m sure I’ll get screwed over, like always.
Dreadnought on May 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Sounds like a good time for HA to supplement its offerings by starting up its own trademark HA micro-brew.
WhatSlushfund on May 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Oh no. Those we want to tax the living crud out of.
Limerick on May 12, 2013 at 6:52 PM
Bayam should be along any minute to defend Big Beer like Budweiser, while denigrating craft beer.
tom daschle concerned on May 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM
That is absolutely brilliant!
Right now the beer market is almost a full blown duopoly, where Anheuser-Busch InBev and Miller-Coors own 90%+ of the market.
It is only possibly through the states and federal government’s regulation of alcohol distribution. Breweries are almost wholly banned from selling directly to taverns/bars and grocery stores, because the government requires them to sell through a middle-mad (distributor).
AB InBev and Miller-Coors went after the distributors by either buying them out or contracting them, forcing all of the small breweries fight over whatever distribution is left for them. Any change to the three-tiered distribution system is decried and virtually shut down by their lobbyists.
Anyhow, the slashing of the excise tax would be an absolute boon to the small business craft brewers.
ZachV on May 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Red Stripe is some horrid beer, but they had some great commercials.
HOORAY BEER!
Steve Eggleston on May 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Glad to see an HA conservative finally agree that these perpetual tax cuts for the so called small businesses/ job creators are truly paid for by the working American..
HotAirLib on May 12, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Bread, beer, and circuses.
MelonCollie on May 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM
Rule of thumb: If Schumer is for it, I’m sure to get screwed.
And yes Mr. (or Ms.) Lib. You and I do agree on targeted tax breaks. Crony capitalism at its finest, which every conservative
should be against, whether it involves beer or not.
Dreadnought on May 12, 2013 at 7:07 PM
There was a nice article recently saying that American craft beers were even making headway in Germany. They noted that many of the German brands taste similar due to 500 year old German beer purity laws that force standardized ingredients and brewing processes.
BohicaTwentyTwo on May 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Wow. We agree again. Wall Street/I am for everything BIbi is for Schumer is far from any politician I like.
HotAirLib on May 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM
You think so? I’ve always really liked Red Stripe. But, then again, I have plebian beer tastes. My usual go-to is Bud Light.
My theory is that Red Stripe was brewed to work together nicely with ganja.
WhatSlushfund on May 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM
If only this could make up for all of Sen. Collins’ wrongdoings this year. Unfortunately, I can’t afford the volume of Shipyard Summer Ale that it’d require to make me forgive and forget her RINO stance on nearly every important issue recently, of which none are more important than her embrace of the Manchin/Toomey bill. It’s time for her to come home and get a real job. Baxter IPA for ftw!
Birchbark on May 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM
Hate to pop your stereotype, Erika, but craft brewers don’t use the term.
AshleyTKing on May 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM
I’m OK with anything that makes Stone Brewery and Heavy Seas cheaper and easier to get hold of.
Sgt Steve on May 12, 2013 at 7:55 PM
…they want to keep us drunk!
KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2013 at 7:55 PM
This might be the first worthwhile thing Washington has done in…….. ever? Or at least since 1976 with the last beer tax cut. It’s such a good idea that even Schumer can figure it out!
alchemist19 on May 12, 2013 at 8:03 PM
It’s not one’s fault but yours that you don’t like beer that actually tastes good. :-)
alchemist19 on May 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM
Complaints about local property tax incentives, as above, aside, I am glad that any aspect of the Federal beast recognizes that lowering taxes is a logical move for stimulating growth.
And Anheiser and Miller products blow.
M240H on May 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Maybe I’m missing something, but why exactly is there an excise tax on beer? Does anyone know the rationale, other than “the government wants more money”?
NorthernCross on May 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Why don’t the lawmakers end the 3-tier distribution system instead? That is the real culprit that prevents smaller breweries from getting their beer out there. I live in the midwest and I can’t get Russian River, Dogfish head, and other popular craft breweries because the big distributors don’t want the competition.
Erika, I am disappointed you didn’t focus on the distribution racket and instead this obscure tax cut.
nazo311 on May 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM
States vary a lot too.
AshleyTKing on May 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Oh good, my son is brewing beer.
Cindy Munford on May 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM
I think it’s a holdover from the prohibition-era Volstead Act.
gryphon202 on May 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM
Love the photo – Three Floyds is one of the best breweries in the country and their Rye Da Tiger and Alpha Klaus are awesome beers.
bound4er on May 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM
+1
AshleyTKing on May 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM
I have no problem with rolling back Prohibition-era laws against home-brewing and small-scale brewing like Alabama recently did. Nor do I mind streamlining the bureaucracy for small brewers (where I am, all breweries are classified as “light industrial” and thus have a hard time getting decent zoning space outside of office parks). Even giving special tax treatment to start-ups sounds fine to me, which seems to be what this bill is about.
On the other hand, some places have tried to get too involved. One city out here decided to buy a restaurant space in its downtown, purchase a ton of brewery equipment, and then hand it all over to some random brothers who didn’t know what they were doing. Not surprisingly, that brewery attempt spectacularly failed and the city was left on the very large financial hook. It’s strange that they thought they needed to do that since all around them breweries are popping up left and right, but hey, some politician got to trumpet that they “helped small business in the downtown” (for a bit).
Streamline the regulations, especially for the little guys, and let the free market do its wonderful (and delicious in this case) work.
HayekFriendlyCon on May 12, 2013 at 11:15 PM
Hillary’s going to need a keg or two before what is brewing with Benghazi comes to a head.
profitsbeard on May 12, 2013 at 11:31 PM
As my moniker attests, I’ve been brewing at home for some time. Inexpensive and better than 90% of the biers I can buy. Plus…no tax to the Feds!
BierManVA on May 13, 2013 at 6:10 AM
i don’t know of any bipartisan senators.
sesquipedalian on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM
…and I live a stone’s throw from the brewery. Happy times! Perfect picture.
tdarrington on May 13, 2013 at 7:09 AM
This is a great step, but what we truly need to see our craft beer market “really” flourish is for the government to get out of the distribution mandating business. The government’s forced distribution (3-tier system) plan enables companies like (the owners of) Miller, Busch, Coors, Bud, etc… to have a stranglehold on the competition. It’s government forced monopoly.
The system was established to help the little guy but actually has done the opposite over the last 10-20 years… and while beer drinking in America has never been better… it could actually be better! Just get the government out.
therambler on May 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM
Hmmmm. Is it time to follow the senator’s investments?
Don L on May 13, 2013 at 8:00 AM
“Yeah, what’s wrong with the beer we got?!”
-Alvin Holmes, Alabama State Representative
Nick_Angel on May 13, 2013 at 9:58 AM
I would love to see a streamlined process for lowering all of myriad of tax laws into something coherant and understandable. If this act is including all breweres regardless of size then it isn’t crony capitalism per se – but I would like to see a real effort to study the tax code – see how much streamlining would really cost – look to cut spending along with it,utilize some real non-static costing and come up with something that helps more than just brewers.
Zomcon JEM on May 13, 2013 at 10:42 AM
While I am for the lowering and elimination of many taxes, don’t we have bigger issues to deal with than this?
Klem Kadiddlehopper on May 13, 2013 at 11:11 AM