Quotes of the day
posted at 10:57 pm on October 31, 2012 by Allahpundit
“It’s a foretaste of things to come,” Princeton University professor Michael Oppenheimer told CNN. “Bigger storms and higher sea levels” will pile on to create a “growing threat” in the coming decades.
And New York, he warned, “is highly vulnerable.”…
Princeton’s Oppenheimer, a professor of geosciences, recently modeled the effect of climate change on storm surges for the New York area.
In a paper published by Nature in February, he and three colleagues concluded that the “storm of the century” would become the storm of “every twenty years or less.”
New York isn’t known for its hurricanes. At least, it never has been before. But after Irene in 2011 and Sandy in 2012, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he joked to President Obama that “we have a 100-year flood every two years now.” Is it possible that climate change has somehow turned the Big Apple—and the northeast in general—into a hurricane hotspot?
Possible, perhaps. But the atmospheric scientists I’ve talked to say it would be misguided to conclude based on those two storms that the northeast is becoming a common destination for tropical cyclones…
“Every hurricane is a fluke, to some degree,” says Sobel. By that he means that any given storm’s path is determined more by the specific weather conditions at the time than by underlying climatic factors. While the connection between global warming and heat waves is relatively straightforward, the links between climate change and hurricanes are complex.
The hedge expressed by journalists is that many variables go into creating a big storm, so the size of Hurricane Sandy, or any specific storm, cannot be attributed to climate change. That’s true, and it’s based on good science. However, that statement does not mean that we cannot say that climate change is making storms bigger. It is doing just that—a statement also based on good science, and one that the insurance industry is embracing, by the way…
Here’s where climate change comes in. The atmospheric pattern that sent the Jet Stream south is colloquially known as a “blocking high”—a big pressure center stuck over the very northern Atlantic Ocean and southern Arctic Ocean. And what led to that? A climate phenomenon called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)—essentially, the state of atmospheric pressure in that region. This state can be positive or negative, and it had changed from positive to negative two weeks before Sandy arrived. The climate kicker? Recent research by Charles Greene at Cornell University and other climate scientists has shown that as more Arctic sea ice melts in the summer—because of global warming—the NAO is more likely to be negative during the autumn and winter. A negative NAO makes the Jet Stream more likely to move in a big, wavy pattern across the U.S., Canada and the Atlantic, causing the kind of big southward dip that occurred during Sandy.
At first blush, it would seem that warmer seas would fuel more and stronger hurricanes, because tropical storms typically form and intensify when waters are at their peak temperatures. But in this case, nature is more complicated, and while warmer oceans may be more favorable in a warmer world, other factors appear to temper hurricane activity…
Here were the paper’s main conclusions:
After studying past and present hurricane data they did not conclusively find any detectable human influence on hurricane activity.
Studies indicate more likely than not an increase in the numbers of the more intense hurricanes globally, perhaps 2 to 11 percent by 2100.
Scientists also found increased evidence that, globally, the number of tropical storms is likely to decrease by 6 to 34 percent by 2100.
When it comes to policy responses, though, it doesn’t really matter exactly what role man-made climate change plays in amplifying storms. For one thing, we know that global sea level rise is happening, and we know that’s large due to man-made warming. And sea level in the Northeast seems to be rising three to four times faster than they are globally, which puts cities like New York—which has more than 580 miles of coastline—at enhanced risk. Storm surges and coastal flooding, rather than high-speed winds or drenching rain, proved to be Sandy’s real bane, with more than 12 ft. of flood water filling New York’s Battery Tunnel. Every subway tunnel beneath New York’s East River was flooded, leaving the system “devastated,” in the words of Metropolitan Transit Authority chairman Joseph Lhota…
We don’t demand absolute certainty before we take action in foreign policy, the economy or health. We’d be fools to wait until there’s perfect scientific consensus on the role that global warming may be playing in tropical storms before we take action to prepare for both. “Anyone who says there’s hasn’t been a dramatic change in weather patterns has been denying reality,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo told reporters today.
NOAA’s Martin Hoerling rejects ‘Frankenstorm’ climate link: ‘This is not some spell conjured upon us by great external forces….unless you believe in the monster flicks of Universal Studios fame!’ — Meteorologist Hoerling of NOAA: ‘The immediate cause is most likely little more than the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm. Both frequent W. Atlantic in Oct….nothing unusual with that’…
Frankenscience: ‘Sandy doesn’t tell us anything about climate change’ — Prof. Pielke Jr.: ‘We’ve done long-term trends with respect to hurricane damage in the United States, and it’s very safe to say that regardless of how [Sandy] plays out, there’s a century-long time series with no trend in it — and that’s in damage, the number of landfalls, or the intensity of storms at landfall. So, if you are looking for signals of long-term climate change, focusing in on any one storm is the wrong way to go about it to begin with’…
Climatologist Dr. Patrick Michaels on Sandy: ‘It’s also consistent with a planet with colder temperatures as well as one with warmer ones’ — Michaels: ‘More important, events like this are inevitable on a planet that has an ocean with the geography of the Atlantic (meaning a Gulf Stream-like feature), a large north-south continent on its western margin without a transverse mountain range to inhibit the merger of tropical warmth with polar cold, and four seasons in the temperate latitudes’
I was schooled in the far-reaching changes under way several years ago by Eskimos in Alaska, who told me of their amazement at seeing changes in their Arctic village — from melting permafrost to robins (for which their Inupiat language has no word), and even a (shivering) porcupine. If we can’t see that something extraordinary is going on in the world around us, we’re in trouble…
There are no easy solutions, but we may need to invest in cleaner energy, impose a carbon tax or other curbs on greenhouse gases, and, above all, rethink how we can reduce the toll of a changing climate. For example, we may not want to rebuild in some coastal areas that have been hammered by Sandy…
Along with eight million others, the Kristofs have lost power, so I’ve been sending Twitter messages on my iPhone by candlelight — an odd juxtaposition that feels like a wake-up call. In the candlelit aftermath of a future hurricane, I’m guessing, we’ll look back at the silence about climate in the 2012 election and ask: “What were they thinking?”
Via Mediaite.
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Bishop. Finally.
Lourdes on April 29, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Yea, sure thing there Crispy Crème.
Minnfidel on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
The Fat Man will beat Hillary for the Donk Prez nomination in ’16.
Bruno Strozek on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
The GOP will betray you
True_King on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Christie is pretty chatty for someone with tonsils bruised that badly.
M240H on April 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Christie is right about the theoretical issues but do any of us in the public actually KNOW what “promises” Obama made and has kept? It seems Christie engaged in salesmanship in statements as to that because it’s something that can’t ever be proved — we’ll never know what Obama “promised” to Christie in their post-Sandy hug-train.
Lourdes on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Buck_Nekkid on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Did Obama start wringing his weenie with crispy cremes?
Dead to me fat man. Tell that to your constituents. You lie!!!!!! Unless, obama said he was gonna f$ck your voters.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Obama still hasn’t delivered those Twinkies to you, pal.
IR-MN on April 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM
We tried to warn you Christie lovers from NJ about RINOS. But you wouldn’t listen.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Hey, Chris – didn’t your mother ever tell you that it’s not polite to talk with your mouth full?
Pork-Chop on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
So – if a master promises to feed and house his slave, and holds up his end of the bargain, that makes him a good guy – yes?
CycloneCDB on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Now definitely not a 2016 hopeful…unless he primaries against Hillary.
But, GOP?
Don’t you dare!
Let’s see the current video and interviews with your Joisy constituents all along the coast….how they doin’ these days?
Still living in bombed out Berlin, with a boardwalk?
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Boy, Obama must have some real dirt on Chris Christie.
It must be REAL bad.
portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM
You can understand how they were confused…right? They thought we were saying he was a rhino(ceros) – not a RINO.
CycloneCDB on April 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM
You go girl!
ToddPA on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Christie: On Hurricane Sandy, Obama has “kept every promise he’s made”
Limited Government Conservative dog whistle hears this from Christie when he makes that statement above:
“Well sure we’re going to keep sucking off the Federal Teat. I mean we’re just like Bloomberg over in the City. We can’t hardly wipe our butts without asking for the toilet paper from D.C. to do it. And you know what? We’re going to ask for EVEN MORE money because I’m a lard it up Progressive and I want to see how many people I can get on the teat of the Federal Sow just like us here in Jersey. Latch on America, that milk sure tastes yummy.”
PappyD61 on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
As long as he needs money and fast tracking around regulations I think you can expect him to retain the kneeling position. I hope he is made governor of New Jersey for life.
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
So you’re saying Obama made and kept promises outside of and in addition to standardized legislated federal responses?
Promises other states and/or individuals may not get?
Do tell.
rogerb on April 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM
At first I laughed. Then I thought, this is the guy who made his name on not wasting government funds?
Eviva on April 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Go have another donut!
forest on April 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Easy to do when all you have to do is tell one of your underlings to spend more of other people’s money and few, if any, question where it is all going.
The MSM stopped speculating, asking hard questions, engaging in penetrating analysis, and being highly critical and suspicious of the guy currently residing in the WH on January 20, 2009.
Maybe they needed a rest after doing all of that the previous eight years. /s
Since then they pretty much uncritically report whatever he and his mouthpieces say, provided it is not stupid. When he says something stupid they try to ignore it. Or they speculate favorably about “what he really meant” and/or they switch into Orwellian doublespeak mode.
farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM
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Capitalist Hog on April 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Yeah… submarining the Romney and the GOP in the election paid off big for Christie. Too bad there are still thousands homeless due to Sandy, and the looting of homes under repair or awaiting repair continues apace.
So… where are the politicians now when these people need aid as much or more than ever?
Doesn’t look like Christie’s losing any sleep, or dining opportunities, over it.
thatsafactjack on April 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I can’t believe this is the load that spoke and opened the convention to help us win.
Stupid party picks Rino and loses stupidly.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
It’s only fitting that the one “Republican” POS said this to the other “Republican” POS, on the one “Republican” POS’s MSNBC propaganda soapbox.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Been choomin’ with that punahussy Barry, eh Chris?
Shoulda been more careful about them brownies, Chris.
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Really Fatboy? I live here. The barrier island from Bay Head to Seaside Park remains a disaster area. So you must be talking about an alternate universe Jersey Shore.
tomsriver.patch.com/articles/storm-chronicles-part-7-six-months-out
bloviator on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Bwaaahh. Your brain did another superb post as per usual.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Christie has no desire to run as a Republican. Watch. He’ll run as a Democrat or an “Independent”.
I always thought he looked like shit. Now I can see he thinks like shit.
CatoRenasci on April 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Then why do I still keep seeing ads here in NY for appeals for donations to the “Sandy victims?”
Weren’t all the insurance payouts enough?
Wasn’t all that Obamamoney enough?
Why was the bill laden with pork? Imagine if all that Obamamoney went to ‘relief’ instead of only half of it?
Or, better — After the 1906 SF earthquake, foreign countries offered aid. President T. Roosevelt declined; “We got this, thank you.”
If Christie had any real smarts about him, HE would have been at the forefront of relief in his state. Instead, he went hat-in-hand to Obama, the Feds.
Some leader, some governor…
Pffft!
Liam on April 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM
I’m not so sure he was much help.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM
So all that slobbering and hugging was a freebie?
Sorry fat boy, yelling at a union leader a couple of times doesn’t make you a Republican. Morbidly Obese and stupid is no way to go through life.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM
That’ll do, pig.
Jaibones on April 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Christie wants to make sure no one is in doubt that he’s a despicable slug of the worst kind. Christie deserves Barky and no American deserves to have to put up with either of them. Lying sacks of America-hating sh** …
Keep f**king that chicken, Christie.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Governor Zeppelin is full of it. (and, it’s not Hot Air.)
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Yeah Crispy, maybe he kept all his promises to you, but alot of people are still getting screwed in this. Hell we got screwed because Crispy handed the election to Barry with his endorsement!
My grandmother lost her bungalow in Breezy Point, NY. Yet since it was her summer home, no FEMA aid (Now I think full-time residences should get priority, but nothing, not even discounted loans for part timers? they still paid full-time taxes). Since she had no flood insurance, (too expensive for a 54 year old bungalow) no pay out. Since it was “flood” damage, homeowners won’t pay out. Since the storm was reclassified so it wasn’t a “hurricane” her storm insurance won’t pay out. Now the city has condemned and destroyed her house.
Now that’s bad, but her neighbors who had flood insurance because their homes were newer, still in a mortgage etc, and had their homes condemned by the city are only getting the first 5 feet of damage covered, because that’s how high the insurance companies say the water came! And of course, since its “flood” damage homeowners won’t cover. I have pics showing how high the water came in my Grandmother’s house, and it was more than 5 feet inside, and her home had been on piers! Yet there was supposed to be billions in aid coming to the state to rebuild? Where is it? Who got it?
The only people being made whole by insurance are the houses that burned, and they’re even saying some of those fires were “suspicious”.
Oh and what about cutting the red tape so that we could try to start to rebuild? Right now they haven’t even figured out what the new zoning and building codes will be. After that’s litigated (and you know there will be lawsuits), you’ll have to submit your plans to the city, and that can take up to a year to approve in normal circumstances. Now its tough for Grandma, but what about the people who live there all year round? They don’t even know how high the piers will have to be and Bloomy says whatever the FEMA map says, he wants 2 feet on top of that! Your talking thousands of dollars per foot extra. And keep in mind these people have been out of their homes since Sandy hit! But because these are all liberal pols, the media will look the other way.
Iblis on April 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM
As if he didn’t damage the Republcians enough by making out with the Machurian President before the election…
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM
Morning Jo(k)e.
M240H on April 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Christie was always a particularly New Jersey phenomenon, those who thought his style and policies could translate into a national presence were just wishful thinking. This doubling down on stupid just confirms he has no national future.
Of course, Obama may have kept the private promises he made to Christie, but the public ones were obviously broken. The federal/FEMA response was far slower and less effective than for Katrina by any objective standard, from pre-positioned assets to progress after one, three, or six months.
Adjoran on April 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM
I don’t know about NJ but Obama has kept one major promise he made.
He/Obama has “fundamentally changed” the United States of America!
Delsa on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
The GOPe has moved on from Crispy in 2016… Jeb’s their guy now.
SheVee on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
I don’t recall Haley Barbour slobbering over GWB in the wake of Katrina. Kathleen Blanco, on the other hand whined constantly that the feds were neglecting her state. It must be a Republican/Democrat thing. That Christie is just like Blanco shows just how much of a Republican he really is.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Mr. Krispie believes “government is good”… no two ways about it…
phreshone on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
McCain.
Romney.
It’s a pattern. They will dare and the low info voters on our side and NH will guarantee it.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
I look at him and I think of Stay Puft Man.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM
OT: My CHL arrived a short while ago…like 20 minutes. It arrived with the wrong designation-they’re going to reissue it-but I can use this one until the correct one arrives.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2013 at 1:51 PM
That is the leftist mantra that’s been instilled in mush filled uninquisitive minds for at least three generations. And if you can politically, and personally, profit from that line of thought so much the better.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Christie is dead to me!!
Deano1952 on April 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Yeah. The same guy who used a New Jersey State Police helicopter pick him up and deliver him to his son’s Baseball game.
So much for not wasting Government funds.
portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM
So’s Snookie and I don’t want her in elective office either.
I agree with you that anybody who thought this fat imbecile was going to capture a national candidacy was clearly partaking early in that which is now legal in Oregon and Colorado. New Jersey is far too liberal to ever produce better than a centrist Republican. Christie is clearly bi-political (he swings both ways). One day he’s a darling of Ann Coulter for yelling at a union boss. The next day he’s performing a lap dance for the rat-eared coward national television on national television.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM
We need to keep a list of Republicans who’ve torpedoed their chances in 2016. CRISTie with his neverending Obama lovefest. Rubio with the amnesty bill. Jeb Bush for being Jeb Bush. And I’d argue Paul Ryan is on the fence right now.
Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Wow, that’s an insult to one of the greatest Rock Bands ever!
Let me just say when the folks at MSNBC are in your corner,
you’re a big bag of Sh*t in a Hefty Two Ply.
ToddPA on April 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Nominated for early thread winner.
Really, Fat Boy, just drop all pretense and switch parties already. This is beyond a joke.
ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Come on you guys. Just because Christie is a gluttonous, bloviating, morbidly obese wad of lard is no reason to make fun of his weight problem.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM
MLK said you should judge a man by the content of his character. Problem is Christie has more content than character.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM
I enjoy reading your posts, Erika, but you’re in desperate need of an editor on this one.
MustLoveBlogs on April 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Meaning a heaping pile of cash.
theperfecteconomist on April 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM
How exactly is Christie a Republican? Other than the t-shirt he dons before the game… I mean, if you sit on the bleachers of the other team all of the time, just who are you for?
beatcanvas on April 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM
* Christie / Crist 2016! *
Because RINOs can never get enough FAIL.
Czar of Defenestration on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Yeah, damn him for helping those people in jersey. How dare he help them.
rubberneck on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
rubberneck on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
You dont’t read other posts, do you? The problem is…the NJ residents are not being helped.
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM
Looting.
Still no electricity in some areas.
Yeah, Obama was here.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Really? A rock band??
My vision was of the giant out of control angry one in “Ghost Breakers”
Yeah, THAT Stay Puft Man.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Just a reminder here that the Fatboi was the #1 pick of Ann Coulter for the GOP nomination last year.
Remember that the next time she flaps her gums.
HondaV65 on April 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM
Congratulations!!!
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM
I understand her infatuation with him is over.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Actually his shape is more blimp than zeppelin.
Governor Blimpy!
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Ugh.
vityas on April 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Congratulations!!!
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Thanks!
annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Good question. McCain would know the answer.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM
He’s just another posturing pol looking ahead to the next election. Is this the new face of the R party, being a phony suck up to which ever dem is in charge? This guy needs to get off the national stage.
Kissmygrits on April 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM
“kept every promise he’s made”
Meaning he made no promise to begin with, so had nothing to keep.
Iblis on April 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Chruck Fisti. I’m done with him. He won’t get my vote no matter what. The Easter Bunny is 10 points ahead of him on the wino scale of voter acceptance.
Wino on April 29, 2013 at 3:16 PM
first comma unnecessary and the second is rendered redundant with the “but” before it…
DanMan on April 29, 2013 at 3:43 PM
Could be that being a fat ass is not his fault 100% but this dumb ass shit that Obama is ok is 100% owned and paid for by he alone.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM
COuld he run for the democratic nomination in 2016?
Zomcon JEM on April 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM
But who pays? Does anyone ever ask that question? Who pays? Obama keeps his promises, but who pays?
Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Oh contraire. Christie got the twinkie from Obama, he just hasn’t realized it yet. That realization will come to him when his presidential bid tanks in 2016. He’ll find out the only people that like him are Dems and left coast Repubs and the Dems won’t vote for him. He’ll be a career Governor for NJ.
TulsAmerican on April 29, 2013 at 5:22 PM
I know he can’t hear it, but I am blowing one big, wet raspberry in the direction of Boss Christie.
And like most of the posters here, I never did like him. Too much bluster and too little substance if you ask me.
jazzuscounty on April 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM
???
cicerone on April 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM
“Daddy, how do you spell toast?”
“C h-r-i-s-t-i-e.”
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM
Thanks! Crossing the finish line last in a marathon still means I crossed the finish line! Hey, where’d everyone go, home already?!?
Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 4:08 AM