Former Pacific Fleet chief: We need full disclosure on Benghazi — now

posted at 9:31 am on October 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Retired Admiral James A. Lyons likely pulled few punches as commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet during his career … and he hasn’t started pulling punches now, either.  In a blistering column at The Washington Times, the former commander blasts the lack of action from the US when the administration learned our consulate in Benghazi had come under attack, writing that “courage was lacking” that might have saved at least some of the four American lives lost on September 11.  “Someone high up in the administration,” Lyons writes, “let our people get killed” — and he wants some answers immediately as to whom:

The Obama national security team, including CIADNIState Department and the Pentagon, watched and listened to the assault but did nothing to answer repeated calls for assistance. It has been reported that President Obama met with Vice President Joseph R. Biden and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta in the Oval Office, presumably to see what support could be provided. After all, we had very credible military resources within striking distance. At our military base in Sigonella, Sicily, which is slightly over 400 miles from Benghazi, we had a fully equipped Special Forces unit with both transport and jet strike aircraft prepositioned. Certainly this was a force much more capable than the 22-man force from our embassy in Tripoli.

I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.

I also understand we had a C-130 gunship available, which would have quickly disposed of the terrorist attackers. This attack went on for seven hours. Our fighter jets could have been at our Benghazi mission within an hour. Our Special Forces out of Sigonella could have been there within a few hours. There is not any doubt that action on our part could have saved the lives of our two former Navy SEALs and possibly the ambassador.

Having been in a number of similar situations, I know you have to have the courage to do what’s right and take immediate action. Obviously, that courage was lacking for Benghazi. The safety of your personnel always remains paramount. With all the technology and military capability we had in theater, for our leadership to have deliberately ignored the pleas for assistance is not only incomprehensible, it is un-American.

There has been plenty of speculation as to what Ambassador Chris Stevens was doing in Benghazi in the first place, which Lyons touches on in his column.  Even apart from that, though, this argument above is the key to the failure of the American response.  We always come to the aid of our diplomatic missions when under attack, especially with as many assets in the area as we had at the time.  It’s worth noting that we intervened militarily in Libya in the first place to prevent a massacre of civilians by Moammar Qaddafi in Benghazi — and now we’re supposed to believe that we couldn’t coordinate a military response to an attack in that same city on our own consulate in seven hours?

Here’s another curiosity, too.  General Carter Han, who commanded AFRICOM on September 11th, had already been rotated back home.  Now we find out he’s leaving the Army altogether:

General Carter F. Ham, the Combatant Commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM) and a key figure in the Benghazi-gate controversy, is leaving the Army. On October 18, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta had announced that General Ham would be succeeded at AFRICOM by General David Rodriguez. Later speculation tied this decision to the fallout from the September 11, 2012 attack in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens. However on Monday October 29 a defense official told The Washington Times that “the decision [to leave AFRICOM] was made by General Ham. He ably served the nation for nearly forty years and retires after a distinguished career.” Previously all that was known was that General Ham would be rotating out of AFRICOM at some future date, but not that he was leaving the service. General Ham is a few years short of the mandatory retirement age of 64, but it is not unusual for someone of that rank to retire after serving in such a significant command.

James Robbins notes that the White House insisted that Ham took part in the decision not to supply assistance to the consulate, but Ham told Rep. Jason Chaffetz that no one had asked him about it. Ham’s retirement could mean that the Pentagon had some sort of disciplinary action pending against him over the incident (also the subject of much speculation, but little in the way of direct sourcing), or it could have a different meaning altogether.  It would be inappropriate for Ham to criticize his Commander in Chief while still in uniform, although he could go to Congress to report any perceived malfeasance at any time.


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Valkyriepundit on October 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Someone high up in the administration,” Lyons writes, “let our people get killed” — and he wants some answers immediately as to whom

And you’ll get them, Admiral. Just wait 8 more days.

Doughboy on October 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

All the Dems on the Sunday morning shows assured us that they really, really, really want to get to the bottom of this…right after the elections.

dirtseller on October 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Donald Trump can put his money to use here. He can offer to fund the retirement of anyone who has to leave the military as a result of identifying the responsible individuals in Washington.

Dextrous on October 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM

The wrong heads are rolling. November 6 will see some of the proper heads drop into the basket, but sadly not all. At least it’s a start.

rpjkw11 on October 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Two SEAL’s fighting from a roof with captured weaponry managed to hammer the terrorists, just think what a few more such guys could have done.

Ocoward left those men to die. Abandoned.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/coward-obama-e1351444512643.jpg

Bishop on October 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Wasn’t Gen Ham relieved of command by his second for ignoring the order to stand down?

filetandrelease on October 30, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Let’s put obozo in a swift boat out of office.

Flange on October 30, 2012 at 9:41 AM

With all the technology and military capability we had in theater, for our leadership to have deliberately ignored the pleas for assistance is not only incomprehensible, it is un-American.

Speaking of un-American, I was down in Kentucky Sunday. I saw a pick-up with two anti-Obama/NRA stickers and a third sticker said: “In November, I’m voting for the American.”

BuckeyeSam on October 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Baby steps baby steps. If “merely out of office” does not happen first, nothing will.
He says continuously “I’m offended that….” “I’m offended that…..” We must offend him first. Because his ego will explode being reelected. It will be worse than Hugo Chavez.

Marcus on October 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Wasn’t Gen Ham relieved of command by his second for ignoring the order to stand down?

filetandrelease on October 30, 2012 at 9:41 AM

That’s the rumor. Once he’s out of the service, he can tell us himself.

Wethal on October 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM

What burns me big time is, with the exception of Fox News, the rest of the MSM has done everything imaginable to try and sweep what happened in Benghazi under the rug! It is proof that, again with the exception of Fox News, anything even coming close to objective journalism from the MSM is long gone. Their only sole chief primary concern right now, above all else, is do whatever it takes to get Obama re-elected! As for everything else, including Benghazi, truth be damned!

pilamaye on October 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Wasn’t Gen Ham relieved of command by his second for ignoring the order to stand down?

filetandrelease on October 30, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Rumour only.

Mitsouko on October 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Thank you, Admiral. We all want some answers.

kingsjester on October 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Sorry, parteagirl, the magic melanin and a cowardly GOP will save Barry in the end. It’s not right, but there it is.

swinia sutki on October 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Although the MSM continues willfully to ignore this story, I’m confident the American public will demand a thorough answer to whether the administration decided to flout the long standing tradition to “leave no man behind.”

Treason is not too strong a word and has already been brought up by at least a couple of writers, e.g Roger L. Simon.

Drained Brain on October 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Disgusting. I’m ashamed for our country and grieved for these men and their families. May justice be served soon.

JAM on October 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I am sure that the MSM will totally ignore what this former Admiral has to say.

SC.Charlie on October 30, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Two SEAL’s fighting from a roof with captured weaponry managed to hammer the terrorists, just think what a few more such guys could have done.

Ocoward left those men to die. Abandoned.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/coward-obama-e1351444512643.jpg

Bishop on October 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM

…I’m just SO fluking angry right now…I have a picture in my mind….similar to the one where he was sitting in the situation room during the OBL raid…watching events unfold… and doing the same thing here… but like it was some kind TV show… doing nothing…going to bed…and flying to Vegas…No Big Fluking Deal!

KOOLAID2 on October 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Flag officers have the responsibility and the right to register their disagreement with policy and outcomes. If their disagreement is profound, they have a duty to resign their office and register fully their protest with the American people so it shall be known.

I agree that there needs to be full disclosure on the Benghazi debacle and the Admiral is correct–it is unAmerican to leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy. It is no wonder that Doherty and Woods ran to the sound of the guns……it is who they are.

ted c on October 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM

General Ham better hire a food taster.

As far as DECISION MAKING goes, this guy was the tip of the spear.
He knows exactly what happened.

Jabberwock on October 30, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I want to know how they’re gonna bring the terrorists to justice. I think there was about 150 of them, according to reports. The Libyan government isn’t about to let you bring them to justice, and Obama is all about not pushing our weight around against Muslim nations. I think they realized right away that they would never bring these people to justice so they put out a fake story about a pro-American group going to the house of the bad guys and dealing justice. Remember that? Of course that was before the public found out that it was a brigade of heavily armed terrorists who attacked us.

Since they already tried one fake justice story, they’ll try another one. Or they will focus on one character and try to make you think that going after him will be satisfactory for justice. I mean someone else besides the youtube video guy.

Buddahpundit on October 30, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Article Three, Section Three.

It should be Obama’s Federal Bureau of Prisons ID number.

turfmann on October 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM

http://tinyurl.com/9a6nzoj
McCain was genuinely angry and directly call out Barry yesterday. Papers cannot wrap the flame, the truth will come out.

bayview on October 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I want Mitt to win, step up the investigation (way up) and prosecute, prosecute, prosecute!!! Can you imagine how much obama & co’s non-response, emboldens terrorists everywhere?! Heads should roll all over Washington for this debacle.
Its probably a stupid question but: As Commander in Chief, would obama be prosecuted through the military or through a civilian court?

kcd on October 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM

It’s amazing that we have a bigger lying scumbag in the Oval Office than Bill Clinton. Clinton was a scumbag, but he didn’t hate America like this oaf.

Bitter Clinger on October 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Most naval commanders, when they make a decision such as this, have logical reasons for it and stand by their decisions. Does anyone really believe that, if the administration relied on the decision of General Ham, they wouldn’t have him lined up in the bus lane?

Perhaps, when the media gets cured of their anorexia, they can go on a little feeding frenzy and find out the truth.

I have a question for the MSM. If they keep this covered up and Obama is re-elected and, after the election everything that comes out points to Obama not being re-elected, where is their credibility then? RIght now, our illustrious free press is responsible for spiking this story and it really is a major news story.

bflat879 on October 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Wasn’t Gen Ham relieved of command by his second for ignoring the order to stand down?

filetandrelease on October 30, 2012 at 9:41 AM

According to Col. Hunt who spoke with Ham personally, there is a great deal of disinformation being transmitted by the regime to create a whirlwind of BS about the situation.

Ed, have you tried to contact Colonel Hunt? I bet he’s be delighted to speak with you.

dogsoldier on October 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM

How’s about these questions for his majesty, Barack:

Where were you during the seven hours of the attack?

Where you in the situation room?

What orders did you give?

Did you see the attack on a live video feed?

Did you order the SEALS to stand down?

What assets did you control in the area that night?

Questions to the dear ruler’s aides:

Where were you that night?

Where you with the Preezy?

What orders did he give you?

Southern by choice22 on October 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM

The Gen Ham retirement isn’t unusual. Generals at the 3 and 4 star rank have to be appointed to one of the limited number of postions for officers at those ranks. You can’t just hang around until retirement age. So, he either gets another COCOM, becomes Chief of Staff of the Army, Chairman or Vice Chairman of the JCS or a very limited number of other jobs. Bottom line, without appointment to another 4 Star job he has no other option but to retire.

SoonerMarine on October 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM

there is another controversy involving Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette; unconfirmed reports he was trying to help the besieged, against orders from WH and was replaced and sent home; the man is/was in command of a Stennis striker group.

yeah, un-American sounds about right

runner on October 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

“strike group”, appologies

runner on October 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Let’s see the paper trail for the orders Barky gave to respond to the trapped men at the embassy. He’s lying.

Bishop on October 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Why was our ambassador dragged through the streets of Benghazi????

ted c on October 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

That was a scathing assessment of the Benghazi mess. It’s a shame it was only in The Washington Times. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of that paper.

BettyRuth on October 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM

So when is Ham officially out?

forest on October 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Disgusting. I’m ashamed for our country and grieved for these men and their families. May justice be served soon.

JAM on October 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Any disgust you have here should not be aimed at your country, but at the Mainstream Media that has done everything within their vast power to try to ignore this story into oblivion, strictly to insure their Dear Leader gets re-elected.

Every single news outlet and news service out there should be flooded with complaints and condemnation right now from citizens demanding the truth in what actually happened in Benghazi!

Even better, hit them all where they live, namely their pocketbooks and boycott the lot of them!

Maybe then they will all get the message and actually start doing some real HONEST OBJECTIVE journalism for a change of pace!

pilamaye on October 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Benghazi? Fog of war. Emails flying around that were impossible to read. The drone feed? Ummm.. grainy and hard to see.

I love these progressives water carrying O zombies, who shield the President from criticism at all costs, who have tried to paint this debacle as being too complicated and impossible to decipher.

Utter. Nonsense.

Military communication exceeds civilian in almost every single way. There are steps and measures in place designed for this exact scenario. Check that. There are steps and measures in place, designed to quickly deliver clear and concise up to the minute language and instructions, for far, FAR worse scenarios than this.

WE KNEW. The CIA, State Dept, DoD, and White House knew exactly what this was and by whom, within 20 minutes of the initial hit. Someone made a call to stand down and let them die.

You water carrying liberals make me sick. You’re standing in the way of the truth. Worst of all, I think you know it.

Fish on October 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM

runner on October 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Some rumors will not die…

The Stennis was no where near Libya at the time.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Donald Trump can put his money to use here. He can offer to fund the retirement of anyone who has to leave the military as a result of identifying the responsible individuals in Washington.

Dextrous on October 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM

From your keyboard to The Donald’s eyes.

petefrt on October 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I don’t mean in any way to infer that the hurricane was a good thing, but many have been questioning the impact it is having on the election.

One, is that it has disrupted early voting in some areas; which means more of this story may come out before votes are cast.

I don’t think that Obama intended to vote early. The optics of the president and candidates out there voting with the people on Election Day is good and inspirational.

But, this story is breaking; and the campaign is now desperate to get the votes locked in before something else hits the fan.

A pause in the process will likely prove beneficial for the Romney.

Droopy on October 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Oh, that just might offend Obama. Good.

WannabeAnglican on October 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM

The ironic thing is that Obama done the right thing, he would have had a profound and foreign policy and military victory all rolled up in one. And probably secured his 2nd term.

Imagine, if you will, how much the MFM would be covering this had Obama sent in those special ops forces and routed the attackers. Think there would be a difference in that scenario and how they are covering it now?

The Hammer on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Yes, and I believe you speak for many an American there: our shared desire.

Lourdes on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Sorry, that should have been either “The Romney” or just “Romney”.
:)

Droopy on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Same group to include the DEA watched the gun running of Fast and Furious live on court ordered vid feeds from the gun stores and the gun store parking lots as the gun running went live on TV in the White House and Dept. of Justice etal. This as the guns that killed Brian Terry were trasfered to the drug/gun running Mexican cartel mules in the parking lots as this bunch of crime family watched.

A DEA paid informent fired the shots that killed Brian Terry.

Brian Terry under orders from this White House and Hopeless Security had bean bags to fire to proctect himself.

This is a ongoing Democrat Party crime operation.

Navy E7, 2 and 1/2 years I-Corps, Monkey Mountain and Laos trail boss.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Wethal on October 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Cashiering Ham… without stuffing him a cage, may prove to be a bad idea.

(Unless he has offspring currently serving… their careers could be held hostage.)

We shall see what we shall see…

CPT. Charles on October 30, 2012 at 10:01 AM

It’s amazing that we have a bigger lying scumbag in the Oval Office than Bill Clinton. Clinton was a scumbag, but he didn’t hate America like this oaf.

Bitter Clinger on October 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM

But he doesn’t love America enough to stop campaigning for the SOB… He loves the Democratic Party more… and his second chance at the brass ring through Hillary.

djl130 on October 30, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Some rumors will not die…

The Stennis was no where near Libya at the time.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet’s area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.

It deployed four months earlier than scheduled in response to a request by the commander of U.S. Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, to maintain two aircraft carriers in the Middle East. The Stennis replaced the USS Enterprise carrier group.”

wapo 10/27/12

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:02 AM

WE KNEW. The CIA, State Dept, DoD, and White House knew exactly what this was and by whom, within 20 minutes of the initial hit. Someone made a call to stand down and let them die.

Fish on October 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Restating the obvious, there. Meaning, you are so right. And it is so obvious that you are so right.

Panetta’s pathetic “not enough information” to assist/save the lives of Americans under fire is not only pathetic, it’s miserably disgusting.

Lourdes on October 30, 2012 at 10:02 AM

All the Dems on the Sunday morning showsFox news Sunday assured us that they really, really, really want to get to the bottom of this…right after the elections.

dirtseller on October 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Only ONE Sunday show even mentioned Libya

Jackalope on October 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM

…a third sticker said: “In November, I’m voting for the American.”

BuckeyeSam on October 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I want one of those.

In November, I’m voting for the American

petefrt on October 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM

What a disgrace. This reminds me of watergate at least there nobody died. All of the people that made the decision not to save our people should be shot for treason.

unseen on October 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

It’s amazing that we have a bigger lying scumbag in the Oval Office than Bill Clinton. Clinton was a scumbag, but he didn’t hate America like this oaf.

Bitter Clinger on October 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM

But he doesn’t love America enough to stop campaigning for the SOB… He loves the Democratic Party more… and his second chance at the brass ring through Hillary.

djl130 on October 30, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Bill Clinton campaigning for Obama has erased any shred of respectability that Clinton managed to garner over the recent years. It’s like Obama offered him a path-to-disrespectability and Bill Clinton just said, “gee, whizzz, great!”

Lourdes on October 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I actually feel sorry for the state of Hawaii that Obama is moving there in January 2013.

Lourdes on October 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Someone made a call to stand down and let them die.

Fish on October 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM

which since it was the POTUS call to make means that whoever made the call the POTUS is responsible for the decision. He could have overridden the call if it was someone lower then him.

unseen on October 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Sigh,

wapo 10/27/12

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Its so easy to check this stuff yourself these days.

31Aug2012, San Diego
01Sep-10Sep2012, Pac
11Sep2012,
entered the U.S. 7th Fleet Area of Responsibility (AOR)
11Sep-29Sep2012, WestPac
30Sep-03Oct2012,
anchored off the coast of Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
04Oct-05Oct2012, South China Sea
06Oct2012, Strait of Malacca
07Oct-10Oct2012,
anchored off the coast of Phuket, Thailand
11Oct2012, Strait of Malacca

Source

Check the dates and locations.

Unless the Stennis has a secret ability to fly, or has Cheney’s time machine, it was no where near Libya.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The Hammer on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

True enough.

However, the Ambassador would still be alive.

Dead men tell no tales…

And the Turkish diplomat who visited him before the attack won’t be talking any time soon (not that anybody’s sought him out for comment…).

Curious… wouldn’t you say?

CPT. Charles on October 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Solution to Benghazi:
Take one distinguished 4 star General and wedge firmly under right rear tire.
Problem Solved!

“See! The buck stopped way over there! I did nothing wrong! Be sure to get out and vote on Nov 6!” -Barack Obama

tdarrington on October 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

When is Hollywood going to make a movie about the heroes of the Benghazi embassies massacre?

Does anyone know if the film-maker who made the “offending video” and who was arrested has been released yet? God forbid that anyone offend Muslims.

SC.Charlie on October 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Citizens demand accountability of my local CBS affiliate WTSP about Benghazi.

http://youtu.be/0LTNGtajq_k

We need to make this go viral folks. Maybe others across the country will pick up the mantle.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I want one of those.

In November, I’m voting for the American

petefrt on October 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Me too! Check out cafepress.com, they have some great ones!

kcd on October 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

It would be inappropriate for Ham to criticize his Commander in Chief while still in uniform…

Barack’s all about firsts.

Droopy on October 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

even Bob Woodward(!)is calling for special counsel on this

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Piecing the news acocunts together I think this is what happened…. A decision was made early on not to send in forces for our people. I think many in the WH felt it was not a serious attack and the consulate could repel the attack.( I’ll give them this much) Obama went to bed his my pet goat moment with that order standing. Nobody bothered to wake him up to countermand the order our people died.

unseen on October 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

cozmo,

What was your MOS?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

At our military base in Sigonella, Sicily, which is slightly over 400 miles from Benghazi, we had a fully equipped Special Forces unit with both transport and jet strike aircraft prepositioned. Certainly this was a force much more capable than the 22-man force from our embassy in Tripoli

Heh, where’s Blink to expain to us again how we don’t have readiness capability in that area, blah, blah, how expensive it is, blah, blah and how it takes longer than 8 hours to move troos from Sigonela into Benghazi (preposterous!)…that’s why two generals have been fired, because thy disobeyed orders and wanted to help when the scoamf or panetta (since the scoamf has no clue anyways) told them to stand down…bloody bastages…

jimver on October 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I hope that all of New York City is unable to vote in the election due to power outages and the more conservative part of the upper part of state votes solidly for Romney …………… Thus the state of New York goes for Romney.

SC.Charlie on October 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Doesn’t matter, physics is physics.

Ignorance is ignorance.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette, the commander of the USS John C. Stennis strike group, is being returned to the United States for temporary reassignment.

I do wonder if this also has something to do with the presidents failure to protect our people…

Tilly on October 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Imagine, if you will, how much the MFM would be covering this had Obama sent in those special ops forces and routed the attackers. Think there would be a difference in that scenario and how they are covering it now?

The Hammer on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

But he chose to do the left thing instead of the right thing.

Patrick S on October 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Drip, drip, drip…

That’s Benghazi, not Sandy.

Fallon on October 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I don’t know, I think military folks are so usually stand up and honest that if he was the one responsible for this mess he would say so. I’m hoping that he wants to speak out.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Hopefully Gen Ham will talk..

jimver on October 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

note to media: It makes no sense on your part not to cover this story and investigate. Even if somehow you hold off the reporting until after the election. This will be like watergate again with Obama resigning in disgrace like Nixion. Do you really want Biden as the POTUS? Do your job and report on this story and the cover up. If obama and the WH would have come clean at the begining of this he would have taken a hit in the polls and maybe lost an election but by trying to cover it up he made a very bad event so much worse. Media do your JOB. NOW

unseen on October 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

ok, maybe a coincidence

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

YES! HAELL YES!

onomo on October 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Imagine, if you will, how much the MFM would be covering this had Obama sent in those special ops forces and routed the attackers. Think there would be a difference in that scenario and how they are covering it now?

The Hammer on October 30, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I’m thinking there were shades of Carter’s failed special forces debacle hanging over many of those decision’s makers head. That and somilia. I think Obama allowed the fear of a possible failure and bodies being dragged through the streets to make the decision for him. He played it safe from a “political” POV. He at no time placed this into a military POV IMO

unseen on October 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

“Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.”–Deuteronomy 32:35

If they refused help and are lying to cover it up, God will mete out justice one way or another. If it was a communication error or a lapse in judgment, they need to own up. And apologize.

Grace_is_sufficient on October 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Dir’ Libya claimed to have more than seven hundred fighters in Kufra in southeast Libya in early 2012, according to its spokesman, Hayaka Alla.

Al-Qaeda is trying to expand its appeal through the use of front organizations, such as Ansar al-Sharia. Al-Qaeda operatives have returned from Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Europe, and elsewhere to help constitute a Libyan branch of al-Qaeda. Although foreign jihadists and al-Qaeda members are likely present, senior Libyan operatives are probably in command of the al-Qaeda associated network nodes in Libya. Al-Qaeda will probably refrain from using the al-Qaeda name and instead may use other names, such as Ansar al-Sharia, or simply mujahedin.

A March 2012 report in Elkhabar suggested that Libya has become the center of a network designed to send jihadists to Syria, where a jihad to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad’s regime has been declared by the most influential Muslim clerics in the Arab Sunni world. The newspaper reported that a joint French and Algerian security services investigation has identified 21 Algerians and five French citizens of North African descent among al-Qaeda’s fighters in Syria.

All of them allegedly went through Libya for training before traveling to Turkey with fake Libyan passports and crossing the border between Turkey and Syria. The newspaper further stated that al-Qaeda has opened a least two training camps in Libya—one near the town of Houn in the center of the country and the other believed to be close to Sahl ‘Ajlah, south of Blue Mountain in eastern Libya. These facilities are designed to train volunteers for jihad from the Maghreb, Egypt, and Europe (Europeans of North African descent).

Other reports confirm Elkhabar’s allegations that al-Qaeda has used the lack of security to establish training camps in Libya. Indeed, al-Qaeda and former members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group have converged on Darnah to train and organize. Hundreds of Islamic militants are in and around Darnah, and there are camps where weapons and physical training are available to activists. Senior al-Qaeda operative Abd al-Baset Azzouz, sent to the region last spring by al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, is among them and has been operating at least one training center.

He sent some of his estimated 300 men to Brega to make contact with other militant Islamist groups farther west. Al-Zawahiri’s plan for him is to establish a base for al-Qaeda in Libya. Azzouz has been close to al-Zawahiri since 1980 and first visited Afghanistan in the 1990s to join the mujahedin fight against the Soviet occupation. There are two military camps at Darnah, both occupied by Islamists known as the Brigade of al-Nour, but they are now “linked” to the Libyan Ministry of Interior.

Al-Qaeda militants are using the countries that toppled their leaders in the “Arab Awakening” as bases to train radical Western youths for potential attacks. A small number of British would-be jihadists are also making their way to Arab countries to seek training and opportunities for militant activity, as they do in Somalia and Yemen.

Such an influx of fresh recruits will likely allow al-Qaeda to expand in numbers and capability, using training methodologies similar to those employed in Somalia and northern Mali. Key operatives such as Azzouz will provide training in overarching ideology and niche skills, such as improvised explosive device (IED) construction.

The presence of training camps in Libya for would-be jihadists in Syria and elsewhere is not surprising despite the Libyan transitional government’s denials, given the historical propensity of young Libyans for jihad and the lack of a strong central authority that could prevent such training from taking place.

The Libyan prime minister, ‘Abdel Rahim al-Kib, sternly rebuked Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin when the latter spoke of “a special training center for Syrian revolutionaries” who “are sent to Syria to attack the legal government” during a UN Security Council meeting in Libya. The prime minister did not, however, elaborate on the training-camp issue. Instead, he reiterated a pledge of political and financial support for the Syrian insurrection against President Assad’s dictatorship.

Source: LOC – Federal Research Division: Al-Qaeda in Libya: A Profile (August 2012)(PDF)

luckybogey on October 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM

The decision by our Failed president to NOT provide upfront security and military assets during this assault is TREASONOUS period. A majority of Americans know he LIED for weeks to us and the world, along with his administration. Can you imagine watching in real time our fellow Americans being attacked and knowing they are going to die for his political Presidential Campaign is truly disgusting and shameful.

If he does not loose the election and I KNOW he will, he should be Impeached immediately.

Brushjumper on October 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Reminds me of the film Clear and Present Danger, when CIA Robert Ritter hangs up on John Clark when he asks for back up to rescue his men.

Jack Ryan: Who authorized this?
Ritter: I’m sure they’ll ask you that.
Jack Ryan: Who authorized it?
Ritter: I have no recollection, Senator

Jason58 on October 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Glad Admiral Lyons wrote this…I hope more military retired and active speak out demanding answers.

The Benghazi scandal won’t go away!

workingclass artist on October 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

ok, maybe a coincidence

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Or he spoke out.

Time will tell.

Tilly on October 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Lays head on desk. Perpetuating rumors only helps 0bama.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

cozmo,

Keep it simple, who gave the order to not help Amb. Stephens and the Americans who where under attack?

Did Pres. Obama not do so and thus refuse/avoid his duty.

Did Pres. Obama give the order and thus allow Abm. Stephens to die without hope of help.

Chose.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I don’t want Obama merely out of office, in a 35 million dollar Hawaiian home, planning his library. I want him tried and prosecuted for treason.

parteagirl on October 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Although he would follow in the footsteps of former Illinois governors, we would never prosecute a former President.

I think former President Obama is going to be a bigger pain in the ass that former President Carter and Clinton combined. Notice how former Repub Presidents retire quietly.

tdarrington on October 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Chose.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Not goin’ for your stink bait.

I will wait for the truth to come out.

cozmo on October 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

A quick note to Obama:

“The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end”

BobMbx on October 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I think former President Obama is going to be a bigger pain in the ass that former President Carter and Clinton combined. Notice how former Repub Presidents retire quietly.

tdarrington on October 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Maybe he can join forces with OJ Simpson, and they together they can search every golf course for those responsible.

BobMbx on October 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“Someone high up in the administration,” Lyons writes, “let our people get killed” — and he wants some answers immediately as to whom

And you’ll get them, Admiral. Just wait 8 more days.

Doughboy on October 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Somehow I don’t think so. Romney is an establishment player. This will be swept under the rug. We’re still waiting for the Warren Commission report to be released. It’s been over 50 years!

LeftCoastRight on October 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

The fact that this Administration can’t figure out who gave the order to “stand down” within 24 to 48 hours just shows how incompetent they really are.

J_Crater on October 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Citizens demand accountability of my local CBS affiliate WTSP about Benghazi.

http://youtu.be/0LTNGtajq_k

We need to make this go viral folks. Maybe others across the country will pick up the mantle.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Kudos. We need to treat the legacy media like our enemy. They are a direct threat to our country.

d1carter on October 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You know there is one hell of a difference between not stationing enough personnel on site to provide adequate security and purposefully countermanding orders to their emergency response team when they are screaming for help. IF this is true then that SOB needs to be punished severely.

Browncoatone on October 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM

A most perplexing question remains. So why would the best trained soldiers in the world, US Navy SEAL’s, expose themselves in the open illuminating a target with, an invisible to the eye targeting laser? They had to have been told that air support was ready to acquire the target, hence their illumination effort.

Air assets had to already have been in the area and ready to fire and that had to have been conveyed to our guys there. Perhaps it was as minimal as an armed drone, but a last second decision was made in Washington to scrub the mission.

stuartm80127 on October 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

My favorite theory (reads conspiracy at this point) is supposedly from Hillbuzz, that Amb.Stevens was suppose to be kidnapped and exchanged for the Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, the current resident of our prison system.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Pointed NY Post editorial centering on Charles Woods and the contrast with the MSM ignoring him versus their adulation of Cindy Sheehan a few years back when dissent was patriotic:

Benghazi’s invisible man

Drained Brain on October 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

even Bob Woodward(!)is calling for special counsel on this

runner on October 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

This will be exposed! (Though I dont think Woodward will have much to do with it) The question is, what, if anything, will be done about it? I’m sure some “expendable” underlings will be prosecuted and pay the price for their co-operation, but can the person/persons who are really responsible (ultimately, the administration) have to pay the price for their dereliction? Our best hope is if someone with all the goods, to save their own azz, will blow the whistle loud and clear. It would have to be someone that has solid proof that could not be ignored and would leave no doubt.

Sadly, I have a sick feeling that all the cockroaches will get away, scurrying into the cracks, only to resurface in higher numbers at a later date and time.

kcd on October 30, 2012 at 10:37 AM

A most perplexing question remains. So why would the best trained soldiers in the world, US Navy SEAL’s, expose themselves in the open illuminating a target with, an invisible to the eye targeting laser? They had to have been told that air support was ready to acquire the target, hence their illumination effort.

Air assets had to already have been in the area and ready to fire and that had to have been conveyed to our guys there. Perhaps it was as minimal as an armed drone, but a last second decision was made in Washington to scrub the mission.

stuartm80127 on October 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Hugh Hewitt interviews combat-veteran congressional candidate Tom Cotton here:

HH: Now as you see all these reports, Tom Cotton, what sticks out with you? And we can stay on that report or anything else. What are your questions?

TC: The President says he wants to have an investigation. We don’t need an investigation. The President knows what he was doing from 4-10PM Eastern time on September 11th. We know what he was doing for some of that. He was in the White House with the Secretary of Defense. He was also on the phone with Benjamin Netanyahu, who of all people would understand the need to get off the phone when you’re under attack. We had calls of distress from Tyrone Woods, the ex-SEAL, who was a CIA operative on the ground at the CIA annex in Benghazi, who was requesting air assets, and then requesting military backup. Now there was a security team that moved from Tripoli to Benghazi. I believe that that was authorized by the CIA and within their rules of engagements. But to move military assets from Italy into Libya, which is almost as close as Tripoli was to Benghazi, would require, obviously, approval of the Department of Defense. And I doubt that the Department of Defense would deny or grant such a request without taking it directly to the President. You’re talking about moving military assets into a sovereign country. So we need to know when the President was briefed on the situation in Benghazi, what the military proposed to do, what the President did in response to that briefing, because Hugh, here’s the reporting, and no one’s denied this reporting. Tyrone Woods used a ground laser designator to illuminate an enemy mortar team. For all those veterans out there, you know that infrared discipline in combat is just as important as light and noise discipline. You don’t use an infrared illuminator until you’re ready for fire support. Tyrone Woods is a Navy SEAL. A private in the infantry knows not to do that. He would not have illuminated that mortar team unless he expected air fire immediately as soon as he did so. I strongly suspect there was an armed drone, or even a Specter gunship overhead that did not fire, even though Tyrone Woods expected it to. I wanted to know who gave that order. Was it a local commander? Was it General Ham, the commander of African Command? Was it Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? Was it Leon Panetta? Or was it the President?

Drained Brain on October 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

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