Video: “Mr. President … I totally forgive you”

posted at 2:41 pm on October 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Daily Caller captured an extraordinary moment on Fox News last night, during Geraldo Rivera’s interview of the father of Tyrone Woods, the slain Special Forces security agent who gave his life in defending our consulate in Benghazi and protecting Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the first US Ambassador murdered in office in 33 years.  Charles Woods claims he is not speaking out from anger; he looks into the camera and tells President Obama, “I totally forgive you” even if Obama is responsible for his son’s death.  However, Woods wants answers as to why the US didn’t respond militarily to an attack on American soil at any time in the seven hours that the attack took place, and asks whether Obama would have delayed a response for better intel if the American soil was located closer to home:

“I was contacted by military personnel yesterday, who told me an interesting fact. And that is any consulate anywhere in the world is American soil,” Woods said. “Any attack on an American consulate is an attack on American soil. There were American citizens that were attacked for seven hours on American soil a couple thousand miles away from Washington, D.C.”

“My question of the president would be this: Your Honor, I respect your office as president. But if this attack on American citizens, on American soil, happened 2,000 miles away from Washington, D.C. — say in Los Angeles or in Seattle — would you have waited seven hours before you sent the first airplane? Would you have waited seven hours until the attack was over? Would you have waited a couple of days until you had all of the videos and all the information before you responded in a responsible military way?” …

“This is about honor, courage and about love for America. And remember this, Mr. President:  My son and the others died heroes and it’s better to die the death of a hero than it is to live the life of a coward. If you are responsible for the death of my son, I forgive you, I love you. I also love America.”

Pete Hegseth, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, has a few thoughts about the lack of response to the attack as well, and that the data we know now points to a military response ready for nothing more than a green light.  And that, Pete writes, prompts a big question:

More on-the-ground questions continue to emerge (presumably not from the White House for the purposes of glorification). K-Lo’s post last night includes a strong piece of information to consider — the former Navy SEAL on the ground (Tyrone Woods) who was using the infrared laser to “paint the target” (enemy mortar team) was doing so at the risk of exposing himself, which someone with his training would have known. This fact would lead you to believe that there were armed air assets available (AC-130 Gunship or Predator/Reaper drone) in the skies above the consulate and annex. Previous reports have indicated that only a surveillance drone was monitoring the attack, but if that drone was armed, it ups the ante. More than likely — pending more details — Woods was taking the risk to identify himself, in order to identify the enemy target for an immediate air strike. The questions then become — Why didn’t they fire? And who made that call?

Moreover, we know that Woods and his fellow Navy SEAL Glen Doherty were told to “stand down” rather than aid a besieged ambassador. Who gave that order? And why, especially in light of the President’s directive? There’s lots of finger pointing going on, and very few answers. Eventually the buck will stop and the truth will come out — it always does.

Taken together, the events on 9/11 in Libya tragically illustrate this administration’s “Stand Down” foreign policy. Rather than aggressively confront enemies (with the notable exception of bin Laden), we appease them. Rather than call the threat what it is (radical Islamists), we sanitize our enemies or wish them away completely (it was an Internet video, dammit!). And rather than make the tough call to save American lives — including our ambassador’s — we stand down.

These questions deserve answers.  More importantly, these questions deserve asking, but so far few in our national media seem interested in asking them.


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Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

True, however, you’re overlooking a very important point. 40 years later He sent the Roman legions against them to destroy their temple and banish them from the land.

There are still consequences and they are still held responsible.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Not to mention the even more salient point that it was Jesus requesting and offering forgiveness; not one of His disciples.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Soldiers are expected to ignore an illegal order.

Which this appears to have been.

profitsbeard on October 29, 2012 at 3:31 PM

But the order to stand down was not illegal. It was craven–ill-judged–callous–tactically incorrect. But not illegal.

Obama has not committed any impeachable offense here, unless incompetence, duplicity, and moral cowardice are to be considered crimes. He does not deserve to be impeached. He deserves to be removed from office by the electorate in 8 days, and he will be. Count on it.

spiritof61 on October 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I think Jesus said, “If your brother repents forgive him.”

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

He also said, “forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing.”

They weren’t asking for it, but He offered them forgiveness anyway.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Cleombrotus quoted Jesus teaching His disciples–Jesus was commanding the disciples as to what they were to do. Midas quoted Jesus’ prayer for mercy while He was on the cross.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Good rule of thumb…

Don’t forgive someone who isn’t asking for forgiveness and who is not admitting they did anything wrong.
– farsighted on October 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Exactly… right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Exactly. Nothing makes my stomach turn more than unconditional forgiveness by some moron that lost inexcusably his or her dearly beloved.

Where does this wussy nonsense come from, Christianity? This religion of suicidal weakness that developed after the repulsions of the Turks? God I despise these priests, ministers and self-improvement gurus who take the bereaved in arms and tell them they must forgive the murderers.

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

American blood was spilled on a battlefield and no guns, no medics, no helicopters, no jets came to the aid of our men.

none

zero

zilch

nada

they died alone.

unhelped.

Gone, but not forgotten is the old and busted

Watched, and left to die
is the new and hotness.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

He also said, “forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing.”

They weren’t asking for it, but He offered them forgiveness anyway.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

And that was a Command from God, not a standard, He by His grace can forgive anyone but He alone looks into their heart, we can’t do that, we have to work with actions, not “feelings”…Paul spells it out regarding forgiveness…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

True, however, you’re overlooking a very important point. 40 years later He sent the Roman legions against them to destroy their temple and banish them from the land.

There are still consequences and they are still held responsible.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

That’s true. Sin always has consequences, forgiveness is an expression of leaving the consequences in God’s hands to mete out.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Well… This thing just keeps going and going… The tragedy is that after Romney wins, this story will probably die off dramatically.
From knowing what I know, this whole thing really just boils down to incompetence… Then trying to cover up the incompetence. And being incompetent about doing that. In my opinion these people just don’t know what they are doing. We need to get them out of there.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

It’s worth noting too that the president canceled campaign events due to Hurricane Sandy, but when Benghazi was hit he flew off to Vegas to campaign.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

NO. Not Christianity. There’s been a running discussion of that on this thread. It is a misunderstanding of repentance and forgiveness.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Where does this wussy nonsense come from, Christianity?

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

No, God or Jesus does not command us to just give out forgiveness…He alone can, but we have to work with actions.

Thus my statement about murder…the only way to ask for forgiveness is confronting who you murdered, therefore, we will allow you to ask for forgiveness…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Mr. Woods just heaped coals of fire on Obama’s head.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

And being incompetent about doing that. In my opinion these people just don’t know what they are doing. We need to get them out of there.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

The troubling thing to me is that despite this being true, on any number of levels, almost half the country is still willing to vote for him. I can’t wrap my head around that. It’s really disturbing.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Where does this wussy nonsense come from, Christianity?

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Our present day Western Christianity is therapeutic instead of being theological.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Mr Woods has given this country a gift—his son.

He also has given Obama a gift=—forgiveness. A gift that he doesn’t deserve, but Woods gave it willingly. It’s so he can heal. It’s given less so because of what Obama has asked for (he obviously hasn’t) and more so because it is necessary for Woods to continue his grieving process. It’s a healthy decision and it heaps a ton of load onto Obama and he’ll lash out, he already has by taking “offense” again.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

The speculation is heating up:

Gen. Ham fired for preparing to send back-up to Benghazi?

Must read.

Don’t miss the comments at the bottom. Some good info there, too.

http://www.redstate.com/jamesmpratt/2012/10/27/breaking-africom-general-carter-ham-relieved-of-command-minutes-before-ordering-benghazi-rescue/

mountainaires on October 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

American blood was spilled on a battlefield and no guns, no medics, no helicopters, no jets came to the aid of our men.

none

zero

zilch

nada

they died alone.

unhelped.

Gone, but not forgotten is the old and busted

Watched, and left to die is the new and hotness.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

This is like a bad military movie. But in fact, this whole past four years has been like a bad horror movie.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Mr. Woods just heaped coals of fire on Obama’s head.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

This!
Also could be an application of the “love your enemies” command.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Because he is a beaten man…a man who is desperate to know the truth, so he will let whomever off of any responsibility to find out the truth…God Bless him his pain is far beyond anything I could imagine…
right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I agree. Which is why this is so concerning. This could be awful. Better for this guy to grieve privately till after the election methinks.

happytobehere on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Charles Woods is NOT a beaten man. Charles Woods, like his son is a patriot and knows that the act of forgiveness is not an act to absolve the sins of the forgiven rather cleanses the soul and spirit of the one doing the forgiving, such that no resentments may linger and thus turn the forgiver into a hateful, resentful, human being.
Charles Woods may forgive those responsible but his forgiveness does NOT mean he won’t hunt them down and expose them.
Whorealdo is a punk, and a pig, but hey I forgive him, because his idiocy is not of such import that I should lose one moment of serenity over it rather the fool will usher in his own undoing! Seen any flying chairs or empty vaults lately Whorealdo?

ConcealedKerry on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Well… This thing just keeps going and going… The tragedy is that after Romney wins, this story will probably die off dramatically.
From knowing what I know, this whole thing really just boils down to incompetence… Then trying to cover up the incompetence. And being incompetent about doing that. In my opinion these people just don’t know what they are doing. We need to get them out of there.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I don’t think it was incompetence. It was allowing the campaign operatives (Axelrod, Pluffe, Messina, Cutter, Jarrett) to assess, dictate and control the situation. A failed rescue attempt would’ve been VERY bad for the campaign, so, any attempt to assist the SEAL’s was rejected as a viable possibility.

The success of the “campaign” superseded saving the lives of the SEAL’s and what was good for the “Country”…

THIS is what really happened and thus the failed and lame “coverup”

Strike Hornet on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Our present day Western Christianity is therapeutic instead of being theological.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Good theology can be like therapy even if that’s not its intended purpose – there’s a Peanuts cartoon that illustrates that better than I can. Wish I knew where to find it.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Where is the Stevens family? Why haven’t they spoken out with the obvious questions? Do they trust Obama so much as to say nothing? Or are they such Obama lovers & good democrats that they will let their loss be a sacrifice for the good of the party? Sorry if I seem insensitive here but sensitivity sometimes just gets good people killed.

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Charles Woods is NOT a beaten man. Charles Woods, like his son is a patriot and knows that the act of forgiveness is not an act to absolve the sins of the forgiven rather cleanses the soul and spirit of the one doing the forgiving, such that no resentments may linger and thus turn the forgiver into a hateful, resentful, human being.
Charles Woods may forgive those responsible but his forgiveness does NOT mean he won’t hunt them down and expose them.
Whorealdo is a punk, and a pig, but hey I forgive him, because his idiocy is not of such import that I should lose one moment of serenity over it rather the fool will usher in his own undoing! Seen any flying chairs or empty vaults lately Whorealdo?

ConcealedKerry on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Spot on

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Mr. Woods just heaped coals of fire on Obama’s head.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

He has in his showing of being merciful. And you’ve brought up another point from Romans 12:17-20:

Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Whether or not there is repentance, we are not to take revenge, but be merciful; however, there must be repentance before there can be forgiveness.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Not to mention the even more salient point that it was Jesus requesting and offering forgiveness; not one of His disciples.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

If my memory serves correct, Barabbas the ‘rock star’ rebel, although a murderer, got more support from followers for the token amnesty and Jesus got crucified. Then again, I’m not an expert on religious history so I could be wrong. But there it is…

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM

By forgiving Obumbler, Mr. Woods is assigning blame. imho.

chewydog on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Good theology can be like therapy …

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Try the Gospels. They’re full of examples. But when I am using the term “therapeutic” in this context, I mean it’s intended to make us feel good rather than to heal and correct spiritual dysfunctions, which is Biblical therapy.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Whether or not there is repentance, we are not to take revenge, but be merciful; however, there must be repentance before there can be forgiveness.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

In that statement, the person who needs to be forgiven must repent as a prerequisite to receive the forgiveness.

The person who may offer the forgiveness likely understands that. I’m sure that Mr. Woods does.

Great scripture, by the way, very applicable to the discussion.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Try the Gospels. They’re full of examples. But when I am using the term “therapeutic” in this context, I mean it’s intended to make us feel good rather than to heal and correct spiritual dysfunctions, which is Biblical therapy.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

That’s a great distinction.
I tend to think of therapy as not initially making someone feel good, since I often hear about physical therapy as healing & rehabilitating, but initially very painful. So I assign those attributes to other kinds of therapy.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Charles Woods is NOT a beaten man. Charles Woods, like his son is a patriot and knows that the act of forgiveness is not an act to absolve the sins of the forgiven rather cleanses the soul and spirit of the one doing the forgiving, such that no resentments may linger and thus turn the forgiver into a hateful, resentful, human being.
consealedkerry on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I didn’t say “beaten down”, this man has taken a beating, losing a son the way he did, and the stonewalling, like getting hit with a baseball bat over and over again.
He can “forgive” anyone he wants, he is the one who has suffered the greatest loss a man can suffer, the loss of a child…it breaks my heart.

But forgiving Gerraldo? For what, for being an idiot? Why absolve someone if they don’t care, if they don’t know? To make you feel better, why not just ignore is idiocy, and rather than forgive him, pity him…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

From NRO (Bing West):

Suddenly, on the campaign trail in Denver on October 26, he {Obama} changed his story. “The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive,” he said, “to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe.”

Notice the repeated use of the present tense, implying that he gave the order during the attack.

Respectfully, POTUS has shown to have trouble with tenses, when speaking.

socalcon on October 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

You’e exactly right, of course. And, this truth will send Obama’s handlers into a tizzy, reacting to Mr. Woods.

kingsjester on October 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

True, however, you’re overlooking a very important point. 40 years later He sent the Roman legions against them to destroy their temple and banish them from the land.

There are still consequences and they are still held responsible.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

My point wasn’t the grand scheme, but merely the point of the request – it’s not required that someone request forgiveness before it can be offered/given. In fact, they can still be in the process of harming you, and you can offer them forgiveness

Forgiveness/grace isn’t about them asking for it, deserving it, etc – it’s about whether it is offered/given.

And I agree; it doesn’t always mean you are absolved of consequences.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Why on Earth would he forgive him? He sounded a bit different now then last week…

sandee on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Because he is a beaten man…a man who is desperate to know the truth, so he will let whomever off of any responsibility to find out the truth…God Bless him his pain is far beyond anything I could imagine…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Matt 6:14-15 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Boom. So that makes unforgiveness sin. If you do not forgive it is easy to get pulled into hatred, bitterness, depression…failing to forgive is like a cancer that destroys. We can forgive because the forgiveness for each and every sin was purchased on the cross by Christ. That forgiveness was not cheap but it is free to all who will ask God for help in granting it.

“When we forgive evil we do not excuse it, we do not tolerate it, we do not smother it. We look the evil full in the face, call it what it is, let its horror shock and stun and enrage us, and only then do we forgive it.” – Lewis Smedes

“To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.” – Lewis Smedes

This man is free because he chose to obey God and forgive Obama. In so doing he showed Obama what true greatness is.

johnnybgood on October 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Great scripture, by the way, very applicable to the discussion.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

I realized it was when Sterling Holobyte quoted a phrase from it.

Another thing that is significant is that right after Paul writes on not taking revenge at the end of Romans 12, he leads off in the very next chapter about government. Much of the next paragraph is about Christians’ attitude towards government, but this is the one role of government that he mentions:

But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

While there are other ways He intervenes, as in the Roman war against Israel in 70-72(?) AD that Cleombrotus mentioned above, God intends government to avenge evil. While there are numerous miscarriages of justice and many that are sickening, this does happen.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

It’s a really good point. Our culture’s aversion to any kind of suffering or pain has seeped into our Christianity and infected it with the same sentimental mentality. We can afford it while we have such abundance, but it makes us lesser humans and when it really counts, our moral and spiritual weakness will let us down.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Please note that the Daily Caller link title is “slain-seals-father-to-obama-better-to-die-a-hero-than-it-is-to-live-the-life-of-a-coward-video” and that Ed chose to re-frame as “video-mr-president-i-totally-forgive-you.”

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM

If Obama raises a stink abojut Mr. Woods’ statement, it will cause BenghaziGate to excalate. If he doesn’t say anthing, it will appear as if Obama is accepting responsibility.

If this plays out, he’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.

kingsjester on October 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM

kingsjester on October 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Thanks.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Check out the comments of the Military Insider at http://www.ulstermanreport.com.

southworth on October 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM

That forgiveness was not cheap but it is free to all who will ask God for help in granting it.

johnnybgood on October 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Read that again…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Please note that the Daily Caller link title is “slain-seals-father-to-obama-better-to-die-a-hero-than-it-is-to-live-the-life-of-a-coward-video” and that Ed chose to re-frame as “video-mr-president-i-totally-forgive-you.”

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Yes – the original title is much better!

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM

My point wasn’t the grand scheme, but merely the point of the request – it’s not required that someone request forgiveness before it can be offered/given. In fact, they can still be in the process of harming you, and you can offer them forgiveness

Forgiveness/grace isn’t about them asking for it, deserving it, etc – it’s about whether it is offered/given.

And I agree; it doesn’t always mean you are absolved of consequences.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Well, ok, I suppose if I have to err, let me err on the side of forgiveness, mercy, and grace, but let us not exclude other considerations. It makes for an imbalanced faith.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Well… This thing just keeps going and going… The tragedy is that after Romney wins, this story will probably die off dramatically.
From knowing what I know, this whole thing really just boils down to incompetence… Then trying to cover up the incompetence. And being incompetent about doing that. In my opinion these people just don’t know what they are doing. We need to get them out of there.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I don’t think it was incompetence. It was allowing the campaign operatives (Axelrod, Pluffe, Messina, Cutter, Jarrett) to assess, dictate and control the situation. A failed rescue attempt would’ve been VERY bad for the campaign, so, any attempt to assist the SEAL’s was rejected as a viable possibility.

The success of the “campaign” superseded saving the lives of the SEAL’s and what was good for the “Country”…

THIS is what really happened and thus the failed and lame “coverup”

Strike Hornet on October 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Exactly. Incompetence. They didn’t know what to do. Yes, they were thinking about their own asses and they chose to punt. Just like the current administration has always done.
By the way.. They weren’t all SEALs and an ambassador. One of them was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just a guy like you and me trying to get ahead and take care of his family.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

[Benghazi is] “a couple thousand miles away from Washington, D.C.” Huh?

[Addresses Obama as] “Your honor” Huh?

Is it really necessary to include this stuff?

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Woods painted the mortar position shelling the CIA station with a laser target designator. Because that exposes your position, you don’t paint the target until the laser is synched with a weapons system. That means an armed drone or a Spectre gunship was over the target.

Someone gave the orders to stand down.

novaculus on October 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I think Mr. Woods said on Glen Beck’s program that his wish is to hug his son again in Heaven and to get there, he has to forgive those who killed his son. The poor man is grieving in public and wants answers as to why his son was needlessly sacrificed. I feel so sorry for him :(

FirstBoot on October 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Has any other president ordered the death of at least 6 Americans by his inaction?

txag92 on October 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

They weren’t all SEALs and an ambassador. One of them was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just a guy like you and me trying to get ahead and take care of his family.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_(diplomat)

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

By forgiving Obumbler, Mr. Woods is assigning blame. imho.

chewydog on October 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Yes.

faraway on October 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

johnnybgood on October 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

We forgive “trespasses against us”, not against others…we can forgive those who do wrong to us, but I “can’t” forgive someone for doing wrong to you…if someone beats you, it’s wrong to say “I forgive him for beating you”, he “trespassed” against you, not me.

Woods can forgive Obama for allowing taking his son from him, but he can’t forgive him for the act that led to his son’s death, only his son can do that…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I find something false and self-grandiose about these calls for “forgiveness.” Further, did Christ mean “forgiveness” as a public or private act of expiation? What right does the individual have to forgive a President (as a practical matter, how does it make sense anyway if he doesn’t even have the facts yet?) whose own actions have effects on all of us. If he wishes to forgive him as a private matter, then keep it private. But this is also my country, and I am affected — in less personal and grievous sense for sure — by such failures and malfeasances, including not least the determined campaign to implicate the filmmaker in Los Angeles and the First Amendment.

rrpjr on October 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Whether or not there is repentance, we are not to take revenge, but be merciful; however, there must be repentance before there can be forgiveness.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I would have great difficulty with this if one of my children or grandchildren were allowed to die under circumstances similar to that of Tyrone Woods.

a capella on October 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Next headline: “Slain SEAL’s father supports Obama investigation of Benghazi attack”

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Forgiveness does not mean someone shouldn’t face consequences. Jesus forgave the sinner hanging next to him on the cross, too. But Jesus didn’t tell anyone to take the thief down.

I respect this father tremendously. But I’m also concerned about the next Marine that might die and the next father that will have to grieve. Obama should be impeached and go to jail. Fast and Furious is enough for impeachment and a perp walk. We’re treating Democrat President’s like they’re freaking Emperors.

It will not harm the nation to impeach Presidents and send corrupt ones to jail. It will be good for the nation because future Presidents will avoid corruption knowing their are consequences. They are not Emperors. They are just people like anyone else.

JellyToast on October 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Bless Obama’s little heart

faraway on October 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I think Mr. Woods said on Glen Beck’s program that his wish is to hug his son again in Heaven and to get there, he has to forgive those who killed his son. The poor man is grieving in public and wants answers as to why his son was needlessly sacrificed. I feel so sorry for him :(

FirstBoot on October 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

It breaks my heart…that’s all that goes through me…this has moved me like most nothing else…the vision of those men, rushing to help others, saving dozens of people, than standing ground not giving up American soil without a fight to the death…and 5 hours later, they are dead…while cowards sat and watched, they watched it happen…they were so thrilled to watch Bin Laden get taken out, were they that excited to see our men get taken out? Was it like a big video game to them?

They fought for over 5 hours, calling for assistance…and we let them die…we let them die…what about “no man left behind”…we let them die.

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Exactly. Incompetence. They didn’t know what to do. Yes, they were thinking about their own asses and they chose to punt. Just like the current administration has always done.
By the way.. They weren’t all SEALs and an ambassador. One of them was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just a guy like you and me trying to get ahead and take care of his family.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

While I think we agree on the larger point (the political arm of the administration took control of an “act of war” situation), I still don’t agree this was “incompetence”. These political operatives knew EXACTLY what they were doing in preventing any assistance to the people on the ground, and properly counted on the mainstream media to help in the coverup until after the election. They were perfectly happy with the result. So, in their minds, they have succeeded in preventing a “failed rescue attempt” news story that even the complaisant media would HAVE to cover. These Obama political operatives are no dummies…they are despicable human beings, but not incompetent.

Strike Hornet on October 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Hillary took responsibility. Obama took responsibility. SEAL dad forgave Obama. Biden apologized for crass remark. Investigation after election. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Interesting discussion about forgiveness, as whenever the subject comes up.
Personally, UNforgiveness was eating me alive, as I’d spent many bitter years waiting for an offender to ask my forgiveness, which never happened.
While reading the scriptures, it became crystal clear to me that although the offended had long since died, UNforgiveness was still damaging ME, and had been all along.
I give Mr. Woods great credit, because to forgive without an apology can be torturous.
As mentioned, it doesn’t absolve the offender, but it SPIRITUALLY cleanses one’s soul.
It is written many times that to be forgiven, we must readily forgive.
The Lord asks us to, even if the offender doesn’t.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Forgiveness does not mean someone shouldn’t face consequences. Jesus forgave the sinner hanging next to him on the cross, too. But Jesus didn’t tell anyone to take the thief down.

I respect this father tremendously. But I’m also concerned about the next Marine that might die and the next father that will have to grieve. Obama should be impeached and go to jail. Fast and Furious is enough for impeachment and a perp walk. We’re treating Democrat President’s like they’re freaking Emperors.

It will not harm the nation to impeach Presidents and send corrupt ones to jail. It will be good for the nation because future Presidents will avoid corruption knowing their are consequences. They are not Emperors. They are just people like anyone else.

JellyToast on October 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

We have an election coming up, that is the best opportunity to take Obama down. We certainly can and should continue to investigate his actions if he loses the election, with the necessary consequences to follow as well.
The next few years will not look well on the Obama administration, in any scenario. It will help if we keep electing the right people to office.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Forgiveness does not mean someone shouldn’t face consequences. Jesus forgave the sinner hanging next to him on the cross, too.

JellyToast on October 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Which one?

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Which one?

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Luke 23:40-43

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Obama took responsibility.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Responsibility for what?

The deaths that could have prevented?

The coverup?

faraway on October 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

a capella on October 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I think I would struggle with enormous feelings of fury.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

faraway on October 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

“I’m the president and I’m always responsible, and that’s why nobody’s more interested in finding out exactly what happened than I do.”

All he has to do is mouth the words, and that’s good enough for StupidWorld.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM

a capella on October 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I think I would struggle with enormous feelings of fury.
INC on October 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Yup, we crucify those normal human instincts to walk free, and it’s always a struggle.
Sometimes it takes longer than other times.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM

RUSH: Folks, take a moment and just stop and think of what heroes these guys were, Tyrone Woods and the other three. They defied orders three times. They gave up their lives to try to save and protect the seven or so Americans that were still in the consulate, including the ambassador. And they’re being ignored by the nation’s media. Their acts of valor are being ignored and swept under the rug, all because the media is deathly afraid that it would redound negatively to President Obama.

And then I want you to compare the kind of media attention Cindy Sheehan did get from the mainstream media. Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, was made a national heroine. Every move she made was followed and documented. She was bought and paid for by a San Francisco advertising agency to go camp out on the grounds just outside the home of George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas. Everywhere Cindy Sheehan went, she was the mother of a nation. She was a heroine. They used Cindy Sheehan to the point she thought she could actually get elected to Congress, in Nancy Pelosi’s seat. They built her up into the most important American citizen for two years. And not a word about Tyrone Woods and his three colleagues, Navy SEALs and private sector security. Not a word. Not a single word.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Thanks. I know. The unrepentant thief didn’t ask forgiveness. Was he forgiven, too? The Lord’s Prayer SPECIFICALLY includes for a reason the act of asking for forgiveness.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Strike Hornet on October 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Fair enough.

Al Hall on October 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I believe some of you commenting here have a misunderstanding of forgiveness. Just because a Christian forgives someone, doesn’t mean that the person being forgiven is not to be held accountable for their actions,…unless of course, the one forgiving also decides to pay their debt, penalty or do their time….you know….like Christ did for us at the cross.

Mr Woods isn’t showing weakness at all -not by a long shot! What he is demonstrating is honourable. It’s a Christ-like life lived, not by a weakling in his own strength, but by the Spirit of God in power and love. Mr. Woods may have a spirit of forgiveness but he is obviously being strong and determined to find the truth and to make sure there is accountability. It’s obvious that he has made a decision not to be ruled by a spirit of hate and bitterness or to be small and petty. He is taking the high road and doing what is right. He is an inspiration. God bless him and his family.

W.KY-hillbilly on October 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

W.KY-hillbilly on October 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Well said, explained.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

W.KY-hillbilly on October 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Does he forgive and love the Libyan mortar crew, too? That’s the hard part.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Leakers gonna leak……

leaky leakers…

get a leakin’…..

lea-key….
leakmeister….

leak-adelic…

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Who was over that target?

Someone had to fly that drone.

Someone had to fly that AC, if it was on station.

Who was it? Who was on duty? Who’s bird saw Woods and Doherty get killed? Who was flying? Who fueled it? Who launched it? Who maintained it? Who armed it, then disarmed it upon return??????

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM

We forgive “trespasses against us”, not against others…we can forgive those who do wrong to us, but I “can’t” forgive someone for doing wrong to you…if someone beats you, it’s wrong to say “I forgive him for beating you”, he “trespassed” against you, not me.

Woods can forgive Obama for allowing taking his son from him, but he can’t forgive him for the act that led to his son’s death, only his son can do that…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Wood’s son can’t forgive anyone now – he’s gone. I hope he is in heaven. Yes, that’s right, in heaven we will not need to forgive anyone. If we did then it wouldn’t be heaven would it?

“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” (Rev 21:4)

The injuries do not have to happen to me only to be a tragedy in my life that will require me to forgive. That’s why Woods had to forgive Obama. It was entirely right and proper for Woods to forgive. He set for us an excellent example.

johnnybgood on October 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM

johnnybgood on October 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM

He didn’t have to. He chose to. Big difference.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Well Mr. Woods, You’re a better Christian, than I! How you can forgive the Butcher of Benghazi for watching your son die after giving the order to, Not Help Him, is beyond me. May your Son watch from Heaven as the Butcher of Benghazi, who ordered his death, Languishes in the Lake of Fire, for all Eternity!
ADDENDUm on how to take on the Obama Jihadi media & Win: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Does he forgive and love the Libyan mortar crew, too? That’s the hard part.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

There is no call to LOVE the killer, but, (if he hasn’t already), he can surely forgive him, too.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Chessplayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Yeah, BUT, key word there: HE chose to forgive, not YOU.

Since it was HIS son that chose to make that sacrifice, it’s pretty dang crass for you to critique him for what he felt was the right thing to do.

Also note: Mr Woods is not trying to make this a Cindy Sheenan moment. He wants answers, as do all of us on HOW & WHY we broke the faith with these men by not even attempting to bring about the true Wraith of God the US Military excels at doing…when it’s allowed to do its damn job.

I respect the man and his family in their time of pain; try to be a good God-Fearing man, whatever your religious or political belief and try to do the same.

BlaxPac on October 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM

And then I want you to compare the kind of media attention Cindy Sheehan did get from the mainstream media. Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, was made a national heroine.

I missed Rush today- loacal radio had this insane idea that they needed to cover a little bit of weather outside (posted as the leaves outside my second story window are blowing upwards). But as I posted earlier, the MSM did the same with OWS. These thugs were viewed as folk heros and the casualties in Afghanistan due to Obama’s policies have been virtually ignored.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Mr. Woods on Hannity radio, atm.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Mr. woods just called them ‘the cowards in the WH watched, and ignored what was going on against my son’.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 5:16 PM

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Matthew 5:44

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Sean Hannity talking to the father of Woods right now.

“Unfortunately, right now we have a generation of liars with no moral background.”

maverick muse on October 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Why someone hasn’t resigned, disappeared, or put a gun in their own mouth over the unbearable shame of simply watching these men die while being in a position to do something about it and consciously choosing to do nothing, I’ll never know.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

First things first – Mr. Woods ALL L,H & R to YOU and kneemail for Peace, Strength, and Solace to You and ALL of your family and friends.

NOW we’re talking at least a 7 hour attack, an experienced operator on site with laser pointer capability (I cannot erase the visuals of smart bombs going right down air vents or chimneys during Desert Storm)…………..and ‘OUR’ military fails to light up these attackers??????????????????

IMHO all that adds up to = MURDER

Katfish on October 29, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Wood’s son can’t forgive anyone now – he’s gone. –jbg

You have yourself all tied up in knots there.

If we exist beyond, as happens, of course we reach the point of deciding whether or not to forgive in order to be forgiven.

Regardless, “Forgive them for they know not what they do” is the model from Jesus.

maverick muse on October 29, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Unfortunately, right now we have a generation of liars with no moral background.

Ouch. Two days, and two punches to your glass jaw, obama.

Hard to keep this up with by the father of a dead SEAL and Romney punchin’ at ya, eh?

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Midas 5:18

Because they don’t care about anything beyond their own miserable career existence which given the Obama Democrat administration requires “total obedience to the rules” i.e., Obama’s administrative dictums that have nothing directly related to constitutional basis.

maverick muse on October 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Because then the checks and party invites and all the accoutrements of the “good” life might dry up.

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM

True enough .. Just an impractical sort of thang in this situation, compared to, say, your sister-in-law you see frequently. Y’know what I’m saying ??

Been there, asked to ‘love on’ (prefer, show favor to) an offender while in their presence (even absent their repentance).
Methinks that’s the call, there.

pambi on October 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Geraldo should have been shoved in Al Capone’s safe, locked up, and buried so we wouldn’t have to hear from the douche again…

stacman on October 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Heraldo is a complete creep! No arms around me or that sickening kiss in such a situation. If I were in Mr. Powers place I would have torn that punk’s arm off at the socket.

Sherman1864 on October 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM

But “this is about honor, courage, and love for America.”

I’m sure it has already been said, but obaka has none of these traits…

ladyingray on October 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Geraldo got his quote and where others might not have covered the issue they may now use that sound bite thereby putting the issue to rest.
Zero gets the pass.

FireBlogger on October 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Just something that I wanted to point out: Taking responsibility, IS NOT, saying the words, ” I take full responsibility for———-”, it is an action or actions that DEMONSTRATE that you ARE taking responsibility.” facta non verba” was my high school motto, ” DEEDS NOT WORDS”. Show us that you are contrite, repent of your actions that caused harm, that opens the way for forgivness. Former alter boy here; just my opinion.

bigmike on October 29, 2012 at 6:37 PM

misspelled ALTAR.

bigmike on October 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM

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