Video: “Mr. President … I totally forgive you”

posted at 2:41 pm on October 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Daily Caller captured an extraordinary moment on Fox News last night, during Geraldo Rivera’s interview of the father of Tyrone Woods, the slain Special Forces security agent who gave his life in defending our consulate in Benghazi and protecting Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the first US Ambassador murdered in office in 33 years.  Charles Woods claims he is not speaking out from anger; he looks into the camera and tells President Obama, “I totally forgive you” even if Obama is responsible for his son’s death.  However, Woods wants answers as to why the US didn’t respond militarily to an attack on American soil at any time in the seven hours that the attack took place, and asks whether Obama would have delayed a response for better intel if the American soil was located closer to home:

“I was contacted by military personnel yesterday, who told me an interesting fact. And that is any consulate anywhere in the world is American soil,” Woods said. “Any attack on an American consulate is an attack on American soil. There were American citizens that were attacked for seven hours on American soil a couple thousand miles away from Washington, D.C.”

“My question of the president would be this: Your Honor, I respect your office as president. But if this attack on American citizens, on American soil, happened 2,000 miles away from Washington, D.C. — say in Los Angeles or in Seattle — would you have waited seven hours before you sent the first airplane? Would you have waited seven hours until the attack was over? Would you have waited a couple of days until you had all of the videos and all the information before you responded in a responsible military way?” …

“This is about honor, courage and about love for America. And remember this, Mr. President:  My son and the others died heroes and it’s better to die the death of a hero than it is to live the life of a coward. If you are responsible for the death of my son, I forgive you, I love you. I also love America.”

Pete Hegseth, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, has a few thoughts about the lack of response to the attack as well, and that the data we know now points to a military response ready for nothing more than a green light.  And that, Pete writes, prompts a big question:

More on-the-ground questions continue to emerge (presumably not from the White House for the purposes of glorification). K-Lo’s post last night includes a strong piece of information to consider — the former Navy SEAL on the ground (Tyrone Woods) who was using the infrared laser to “paint the target” (enemy mortar team) was doing so at the risk of exposing himself, which someone with his training would have known. This fact would lead you to believe that there were armed air assets available (AC-130 Gunship or Predator/Reaper drone) in the skies above the consulate and annex. Previous reports have indicated that only a surveillance drone was monitoring the attack, but if that drone was armed, it ups the ante. More than likely — pending more details — Woods was taking the risk to identify himself, in order to identify the enemy target for an immediate air strike. The questions then become — Why didn’t they fire? And who made that call?

Moreover, we know that Woods and his fellow Navy SEAL Glen Doherty were told to “stand down” rather than aid a besieged ambassador. Who gave that order? And why, especially in light of the President’s directive? There’s lots of finger pointing going on, and very few answers. Eventually the buck will stop and the truth will come out — it always does.

Taken together, the events on 9/11 in Libya tragically illustrate this administration’s “Stand Down” foreign policy. Rather than aggressively confront enemies (with the notable exception of bin Laden), we appease them. Rather than call the threat what it is (radical Islamists), we sanitize our enemies or wish them away completely (it was an Internet video, dammit!). And rather than make the tough call to save American lives — including our ambassador’s — we stand down.

These questions deserve answers.  More importantly, these questions deserve asking, but so far few in our national media seem interested in asking them.


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“I totally forgive you”

Did e even s for your forgiveness ?

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM

“I totally forgive you” even if Obama is responsible for his son’s death.

He is a better man.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I don’t forgive Obama anything. He is a charlatanic demonic figure. May his ship go under, with all his rats on it.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

“I totally forgive you”

Did he even ask for your forgiveness ?

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

It would have been a more poignant moment if that slimeball Geraldo Rivera hadn’t been there!

pilamaye on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Why on Earth would he forgive him? He sounded a bit different now then last week…

sandee on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Did he even ask for your forgiveness ?

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Felons ask for forgiveness when they want to make parole.

Obama will ask for it then.

portlandon on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Mr. Woods, it’s very apparent from whom Tyrone gained his quality of character.

May God comfort you and your family.

Mr. President, the ball is in your court. American is waiting.

kingsjester on October 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Why haven’t these two men been given purple hearts ???

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

If you are responsible for the death of my son, I forgive you

That drive me nuts…you can’t forgive someone for something they didn’t do…or admit to do…one asks for forgiveness, than the grantor decides…you don’t force “forgiveness”…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I blame the lsm just as much as the administration

Truly shameful

cmsinaz on October 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Maybe Obama will show some real “class” and show his appreciation for being forgiven by sending Mr. Woods a complimentary six-pack of his home brew.

pilamaye on October 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

“This is about honor, courage and about love for America. And remember this, Mr. President: My son and the others died heroes and it’s better to die the death of a hero than it is to live the life of a coward. If you are responsible for the death of my son, I forgive you, I love you. I also love America.”

Well, I don’t think the rat-eared wonder deserves forgiveness. Not because he acted out of a political agenda that put those Americans to death but because of the month-long (and counting) cover-up which has implicated top administration officials lying their asses off and the wrongful imprisonment of a video-maker to placate a bunch of Muslim animals.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

we know that Woods and his fellow Navy SEAL Glen Doherty were told to “stand down” rather than aid a besieged ambassador. Who gave that order? And why, especially in light of the President’s directive? There’s lots of finger pointing going on, and very few answers. Eventually the buck will stop and the truth will come out — it always does.

This is antithetical to the creed and character of the American Fighting Man. We will “leave no comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy” is a phrase that is codified into the Nightstalker Creed, the Ranger Creed, and the SEAL motto, among others. It is no wonder that Doherty and Woods launched against orders to help their fellow Americans—that is who they are. The individual who issued the stand down order does not understand the fighting nature of an American and I am utterly not surprised.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Is there a distinct difference in the coverage between the press coverage given to this man and Ms. Sheehan?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Uh Oh.
Dante will be correcting Mr. Woods shortly.

Jabberwock on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

These questions deserve answers. More importantly, these questions deserve asking, but so far few in our national media seem interested in asking them.

They are in fact deliberately suppressing the story. It is criminal.

dogsoldier on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Who gave the order to “stand down”, and whom exactly was that order given to.

SWalker on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Why on Earth would he forgive him? He sounded a bit different now then last week…

sandee on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Because he is a beaten man…a man who is desperate to know the truth, so he will let whomever off of any responsibility to find out the truth…God Bless him his pain is far beyond anything I could imagine…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Forgive him may a$$ . . . the charlatan doesn’t deserve the man’s forgiveness.

rplat on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

From the moment I first heard of the attack I saw it as an act of war because the consulate IS American soil. The terrorists know this, they understand the powerful symbolism of this, but it’s a damn shame so many Americans and apparently the Commander in Chief do not.

Daemonocracy on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Mr. Woods here is turning up the heat. I imagine he’s not going to stand down about this.

Well done, sir.

beatcanvas on October 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Why on Earth would he forgive him? He sounded a bit different now then last week…

sandee on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

I think that’s a man who’s emotions are all over the place. Unfortunately the entire conversation wasn’t given for context. Geraldo had just asked him, “What’s it like to call the President of the United States a murderer?” Geraldo is a first class pig, and I don’t know why FOX employs him.

BettyRuth on October 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

This is concerning. I can’t imagine what this grieving man is going through, but I’m very concerned about an quick turn around before Election Day. Something about how he is endorsing Obama etc.

Good grief!

happytobehere on October 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Will Obama even give a concession speech or just walk out and flip off America?

txhsmom on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

It’s almost like the legacy media has agreed amongst themselves to not report on Benghazi prior to the election…nah…that couldn’t happen with the American legacy media…could it?
This should be investigated after Mitt Romney wins the election…

d1carter on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Even Saddam Hussein, when asked about his capture by an Iraqi official on why he didn’t fight back, retorted (gesturing to the Delta Force operators nearby), “Have you seen these guys? Look at them? Would you fight back?”

Mr. Woods AND his son embody the American fighting spirit. From a strong family emerges a strong son, capable of fighting and protecting our nation.

It’s no wonder Obama cannot understand that.

The gig is up, White House. Ya’ll are done. America’s best bled out on the battlefield while you sat with your thumbs in your asses.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Is there a distinct difference in the coverage between the press coverage given to this man and Ms. Sheehan?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Yes. Gender.

Bush has nut. Obama, not so much.

beatcanvas on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Besides some MSNBC jokers, Gerrado is about as big of idiot as you could find…I wonder if he still wants to spit on Michelle Malkin?

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Why haven’t these two men been given purple hearts ???

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Well, for starters, the Purple Heart is a military decoration. Those two individuals were no longer in the military but, rather, working for one of the alphabet agencies (spelled C-I-A) which makes the lies and lack of integrity of David Patraeus all the more reprehensible. A senior military officer should know about looking after his people instead Patraeus lied to help the rat-eared wonder cover-up the truth.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Geraldo is a first class pig, and I don’t know why FOX employs him.

BettyRuth on October 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Agreed…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Why haven’t these two men been given purple hearts ???

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Don’t you have to be active military to get a purple heart?

Obama could certainly award them Presidential Medals of Freedom or something.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Because he is a beaten man…a man who is desperate to know the truth, so he will let whomever off of any responsibility to find out the truth…God Bless him his pain is far beyond anything I could imagine…
right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I agree. Which is why this is so concerning. This could be awful. Better for this guy to grieve privately till after the election methinks.

happytobehere on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

He forgives Obama, but he still wants answers. I hope he gets them, but I suspect if he does, the answers won’t come from or through Obama.

I don’t know that I could be so charitable if one of my family members had been betrayed in the manner that his son and the other dead Americans appear to have been, but I admire Mr. Woods’ strength of character. Considering the extraordinary courage his son displayed in Benghazi during those last terrble hours, it appears that apple did not fall far from that tree.

AZCoyote on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Will Obama even give a concession speech or just walk out and flip off America?

txhsmom on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

All I ask is that the cameras are rolling when the Secret Service is prying Mooch’s fingers off the door and escorting her out of the White House. Fortunately that drawn butter for her lobster will also act as a lubricant because ther is no way that vile graceless angry racist will go quietly into the night.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Mr. Woods here is turning up the heat. I imagine he’s not going to stand down about this.

Well done, sir.

beatcanvas on October 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Mr. Woods is a retired judge.

workingclass artist on October 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

It would have been a more poignant moment if that slimeball Geraldo Rivera hadn’t been there!

pilamaye on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Couldn’t they Photoshop him out of the picture?

Bitter Clinger on October 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Mr. Woods here is turning up the heat. I imagine he’s not going to stand down about this.

Well done, sir.

beatcanvas on October 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

This.

Priscilla on October 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Uh Oh.
Dante will be correcting Mr. Woods shortly.

Jabberwock on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Yep, Dante made it clear that he was perfectly content that those Americans died while the rat-eared wonder and his administration watched and did nothing.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Is there a distinct difference in the coverage between the press coverage given to this man and Ms. Sheehan?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Good point. You could also note the absence of war protests in this country since the big Oaf was elected. I’ve not seen or heard of a single one. The last two Americans shot by the Afghanistan Police last week barely even got a mention. Suddenly it’s like we’re not at war at all, even after we sent in 30,000 more troops! Pathetic.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Wow take a couple of days off from the news and………I thought the two fellows in the photo were lovers. Sorry for your loss Mr. Woods. Still confused about all this.

Bmore on October 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM

The Won has no idea what honor and love of country means. As a veteran with a son serving I find this president unfit for office as our C in.

skanter on October 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Geraldo is a first class pig, and I don’t know why FOX employs him.

BettyRuth on October 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Token liberal. Just like Greta.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Bitter Clinger on October 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

.
Geraldo knows ratings…..

But couldn’t the producer have found a different setting…other than a street corner?
A somewhat somber occasion like this, would seem to me to require a little different back drop than what you would see in a “guy on the street” interview.

just sayin.

FlaMurph on October 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM

should have been C in C

skanter on October 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

These two men should be publicly acknowledged for their bravery in some fashion. Purple hearts, anything, and be presented to the families. But this absolute bastard has yet to do it. I am F-cling enraged over this. God Damn him. God Damn the media. And God Damn al these lazy ass low information voters!!!!

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Why haven’t these two men been given purple hearts ???

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Since they were killed at their workplace (the CIA Annex), it is considered by Obama/Holder as yet another case of “workplace violence”…

Strike Hornet on October 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

The more important question is why are Mr Woods and Romney politicizing the lying and incompetence of the Obama administration.

/libtards

gwelf on October 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Unfortunately for Obama to respond to Mr. Woods empathy is required.

NotCoach on October 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Besides some MSNBC jokers, Gerrado is about as big of idiot as you could find

I’ll go even a step further and say that, with the possible exception of Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz, he is a bigger idiot than most of the MSNBC jokers. Ugh, I can barely stand to watch him trying to get this grieving father to give Obama a pass.

Priscilla on October 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Why haven’t these two men been given purple hearts ???

GhoulAid on October 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Don’t you have to be active military to get a purple heart?

Obama could certainly award them Presidential Medals of Freedom or something.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Correct on why they cannot be given at least Purple Hearts, and Correct on what could be given to at least the two former SEALS.

seymour01 on October 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

There’s lots of finger pointing going on, and very few answers. Eventually the buck will stop and the truth will come out — it always does.

If the truth ever comes out, don’t expect it from the Obama-fawning MSM.

GarandFan on October 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

The Won has no idea what honor and love of country means. As a veteran with a son serving I find this president unfit for office as our C in name only.

skanter on October 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Finished it for ya. And it is reprehensible and repugnant that any military member should serve under Obama.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 3:04 PM

It would have been a more poignant moment if that slimeball Geraldo Rivera hadn’t been there!

pilamaye on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Last week Whorealdo partly blamed Governor Romney for not ‘driving the Benghazi outrage and thereby forcing the networks to cover it’.

Wasn’t Whorealdo also in the charge three weeks ago, attacking Governor Romney for ‘politicizing’ Benghazi?

slickwillie2001 on October 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Felons ask for forgiveness when they want to make parole.

Obama will ask for it then.

portlandon on October 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

I hope Obama is prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder and then tampering with evidence after the murder.

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Suddenly it’s like we’re not at war at all, even after we sent in 30,000 more troops! Pathetic.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

And yet the DNC funded Occupy “movement” was lauded by the media as a grassroots effort with very little coverage of the thuggery, rapes, and pooping on police cars.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

The Won has no idea what honor and love of country means. As a veteran with a son serving I find this president unfit for office as our C in name only.

skanter on October 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Finished it for ya. And it is reprehensible and repugnant that any military member should serve under Obama.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 3:04 PM

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html


Not much choice, we swear an oath, and many of us do believe in that oath, unlike some that take it.

seymour01 on October 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

A great opportunity for someone to ask Obama if he accepts his forgiveness. I would love to hear his answer.

Mimzey on October 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

That drive me nuts…you can’t forgive someone for something they didn’t do…or admit to do…one asks for forgiveness, than the grantor decides…you don’t force “forgiveness”…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

he said “IF” obama was responsible he forgave him. so no forced forgiveness… and i call bs because it is totally possible for you to forgive someone for something you think they may have done. for example i am pretty sure my 6 year old broke my very expensive and very large crystal dragon , however he claims he didnt do it and i have still forgiven him. see how that works?

katee bayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

“I was contacted by military personnel yesterday, who told me an interesting fact. And that is any consulate anywhere in the world is American soil,” Woods said. “Any attack on an American consulate is an attack on American soil.

I am surprised that Mr Woods had not known this. Nevertheless, he shows much more restraint than I could under the circumstance. His son was making an heroic effort to facilitate an expected response that never came. Sad. I think it is more than reasonable to ask the White House to clarify the communications in its chain of command in an event where American lives on the front lines of terrorism are lost.

DaveDief on October 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Rivera should be a regular on The View.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Maybe Obama will show some real “class” and show his appreciation for being forgiven by sending Mr. Woods a complimentary six-pack of his home brew.

pilamaye on October 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Better yet, an Ipod with some of his speeches on it.
Hey, it was good enough for the Queen of England.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Good point. You could also note the absence of war protests in this country since the big Oaf was elected. I’ve not seen or heard of a single one. The last two Americans shot by the Afghanistan Police last week barely even got a mention. Suddenly it’s like we’re not at war at all, even after we sent in 30,000 more troops! Pathetic.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I have noticed that also. In downtown Manchester, CT on every weekend come rain or shine there were crowds of war protestors (and some Legion and VFW anti-protest guys) on the green at the intersection of Route 6/44 and Main street, every single Saturday and Sunday during the last 4 years of the Bush Presidency. In less than two months from Obama getting sowrn in, they disappeared. I occasionally see a single person with a sign when I drvie by there, but usually there is nobody.

Johnnyreb on October 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Is there a distinct difference in the coverage between the press coverage given to this man and Ms. Sheehan?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Once again, if this happened under a Republican watch this poor man would have been on every morning news program and a Barbara Walters special by now.
God bless him and all those who lost loved ones that day.

tj4osu on October 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

“This is about honor, courage and about love for America. And remember this, Mr. President: My son and the others died heroes and it’s better to die the death of a hero than it is to live the life of a coward. If you are responsible for the death of my son, I forgive you, I love you. I also love America.”

Mr. Woods, with all due respect, sir, you have shown more love of country with that one statement than our dear leader has shown his entire life. You are also speaking to someone with no ears to hear or eyes to see.

Kissmygrits on October 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM

seymour01 on October 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Yes, but those of us who swore this oath never considered the Constitution a “flawed document”.

Wouldn’t doing so under those circumstances be like having your fingers crossed behind your back?

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM

“I totally forgive you”

Did e even s for your forgiveness ?

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Good question. Mr. Woods is a better man than me, but I won’t forgive Obama until he asks for forgiveness.

ghostwriter on October 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM

From the other Benghazi thread

Memo to Mitt:

If the Weasel doesn’t come clean within, say, 48 hours on who gave the Stand Down order (it was him, by the way)–cut an ad with the SEAL’s dad talking about heroism and cowardice. And run it wherever you can.

“I’m Mitt Romney and I will never abandon brave Americans to die at the hands of our enemies. Ever.”

spiritof61 on October 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Barack Hussein Obama disgraces and dishonors this country with every day of his self-serving Benghazi stonewalling.

8 days.
Remember.

spiritof61 on October 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Not much choice, we swear an oath, and many of us do believe in that oath, unlike some that take it.

seymour01 on October 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I was held to that oath for over twenty three years. And yes, there isn’t a choice which makes it all the more reprehensible that such an unfit human being is the President.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM

seymour01 on October 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

it seems to me it is also conveniently forgotten that no where in that oath does it say you will be released from your oath at any time before you die ! that oath does not say i will so long as i am being paid… it is open ended for a reason that oath is in force until the day you leave this life. just thought id be nit picky cuz hey im in that kind of mood today. :)

katee bayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Don’t you have to be active military to get a purple heart?

Obama could certainly award them Presidential Medals of Freedom or something.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

There’s no way in hell he’d do that. Writing up the citations for the awards would be damning evidence of the Administration’s complicity in this atrocious event. With any luck, however, President Romney will.

RobertE on October 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

In this case, offering forgiveness is more for Mr. Woods than Obama.

In doing so, Mr. Woods tells Obama that he committed an offense against him.
In doing so, Mr. Woods communicates that he will move on with his live and deal with his loss, that could have been prevented if not for Obama’s malfeasance.

Sometimes I hear sermons or teachings on forgiveness. Forgiveness says, “What you did is not OK, but I will be OK.” It is not the same thing as reconciliation or exoneration.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

From ted c (McCain thread) and it’s worth repeating:

When Obama called on the SEALs, they got Osama.
When the SEALs called on Obama, they got killed.

TXUS on October 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I think Jesus said, “If your brother repents forgive him.”

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

however he claims he didnt do it and i have still forgiven him. see how that works?

katee bayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

No, how can you forgive someone something if they didn’t do it…if they have no remorse, what are you forgiving them for? They don’t care, as far as they are concerned, they were right, you are wrong.

Great about “forgiving” your child…except there is no lesson…the lesson is “I can’t forgive you unless you tell me what to forgive, tell me and we will talk about it, but unless you tell me, I can’t forgive you and you will feel guilty if you did it, and I will feel sad”…the child will tell you, you hug them tell them that you forgive them and how special they are for telling you the truth, and how much better both of you feel…giving something without someone earning it, to me, is not a good lesson.

But, it’s been a few years…my kids are older with families…and so far out of jail…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM

If anyone has any doubts about the pure cowardice involved in this fiasco, please take a look at the video of Secretary of Defense Panetta explaining “the principle” that you don’t act militarily without sufficient intelligence. You can see on his face that he knows he’s wrong, but he has to spout that drivel in order to protect Dear Leader from facing the consequences of his lack of action. That video should be plastered across every swing state between now and November 6. Nothing really else need be said at this point.

Progressive Heretic on October 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Based on his two daughters’ names, I’m assuming Mr. Woods is a Christian. A lot of Christians make the mistake of thinking that they have the right to absolve another of a wrong without that wrong being addressed.

It sounds compassionate, but it diminished justice. Forgiveness is never given without repentance.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Good rule of thumb…

Don’t forgive someone who isn’t asking for forgiveness and who is not admitting they did anything wrong.

farsighted on October 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

I think Jesus said, “If your brother repents forgive him.”

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Exactly, and more detail, they have to repent to the person they offended…which is why murder is so terribly wrong, the only way to ask for forgiveness is confronting the person you killed, and the only way to do that is by “visiting” them, which I am all in favor of.

Regardless, his pain is real, and all he was saying, I think, is tell me what happened, put my mind at ease…and I won’t hold it against you, I just want to know what happened…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

K-Lo’s post last night includes a strong piece of information to consider — the former Navy SEAL on the ground (Tyrone Woods) who was using the infrared laser to “paint the target” (enemy mortar team) was doing so at the risk of exposing himself, which someone with his training would have known. This fact would lead you to believe that there were armed air assets available (AC-130 Gunship or Predator/Reaper drone) in the skies above the consulate and annex. Previous reports have indicated that only a surveillance drone was monitoring the attack, but if that drone was armed, it ups the ante. More than likely — pending more details — Woods was taking the risk to identify himself, in order to identify the enemy target for an immediate air strike. The questions then become — Why didn’t they fire? And who made that call?

Perhaps Woods, believing he was about to be overrun in any event, was hoping that an armed response was available.

Ira on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Good rule of thumb…

Don’t forgive someone who isn’t asking for forgiveness and who is not admitting they did anything wrong.

farsighted on October 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Exactly…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/29/obama_takes_offense_to_accusation_that_he_has_not_been_truthful_on_benghazi.html

aw. captain poopy-pants takes offense again.

Isn’t that just like a liberal—take offense, become indignant, or ask ‘have you no shame?’

nice try, champ. Answer the questions and park your offense.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM

But, it’s been a few years…my kids are older with families…and so far out of jail…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM

but see you are forgetting a very important lesson children must also learn. yes it is good to teach them responsibility but it is also very necessary to teach them forgiveness. if you do not teach your child forgiveness you wind up raising a child who has no forgiveness in his own heart and will ultimately be a very lonely person as no one will ever meet his or her expectations and because of the child’s lack of forgiveness he or she will be cold . this is a bad thing. i do see your point however there is forgiveness , because weather or not my child admitted to his fault i forgave the breaking of my dragon and i moved on .. and i have 6 boys ages 6-18 and NOT ONE OF THEM has EVER so much as been given a detention. i am raising my boys to be the best people i know how to be.

katee bayer on October 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Mr. Woods is a better man than me, but I won’t forgive Obama until he asks for forgiveness.

ghostwriter on October 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM

What troubles me is that eventually when the truth about Hussein’s complicity in these murders will come out,
Hussein will just say ” hey I have been forgiven ”
and he’ll slither out of this one too.
This forgiveness makes Hussein even more dangerous for Americans because now no one expects him to protect us , infact now his victims’ families will be expected to automatically forgive him and let him move forward with killing for kicks .

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM

How can you forgive until you are certain of the facts?

The cover up is unforgivable.

Obama lies FORWARD.

profitsbeard on October 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Good point. You could also note the absence of war protests in this country since the big Oaf was elected. I’ve not seen or heard of a single one. The last two Americans shot by the Afghanistan Police last week barely even got a mention. Suddenly it’s like we’re not at war at all, even after we sent in 30,000 more troops! Pathetic.

scalleywag on October 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Not to worry; it’ll all start again very soon, after Romney is elected. We’ll start getting daily body counts again, war protests here and there, etc.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I think Jesus said, “If your brother repents forgive him.”

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2017:3-4&version=NASB

That’s right. We are to be ready to forgive, which obviously Mr. Woods is, but there can be no forgiveness without true repentance. In this case that would mean Obama coming clean, telling the truth, taking responsibility, expressing real remorse and doing everything he could to help those who have suffered loss. IMO, this would also probably include resigning.

Now we all know there’s been absolutely no indication that Obama is going to do any of that.

INC on October 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Will Obama even give a concession speech or just walk out and flip off America?

txhsmom on October 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

He and Moochelle will follow the exiting strategy of the Clintons when they fled the WH and take everything with them that is not nailed down.

Cherokee on October 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

“I totally forgive you”

…way…way…WAY bigger man than I would ever be!

KOOLAID2 on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Perhaps Woods, believing he was about to be overrun in any event, was hoping that an armed response was available.

Ira on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

That’s the whole point.
He was fighting for what he believed.
His country, in the name of the Obama Administration, failed him.

It is a sad state of affairs.

Jabberwock on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Regardless, his pain is real, and all he was saying, I think, is tell me what happened, put my mind at ease…and I won’t hold it against you, I just want to know what happened…

right2bright on October 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Yes, that’s pretty clear but we modern Christians seem to have elevated sentimentality above where it needs to be. There are other considerations that are equally or more important…like, you know, truth, justice, etc.

And guys like Rivera know just how to milk that for their own ego boosts.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I think Jesus said, “If your brother repents forgive him.”

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

He also said, “forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing.”

They weren’t asking for it, but He offered them forgiveness anyway.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Is there a distinct difference in the coverage between the press coverage given to this man and Ms. Sheehan?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Other than all the MSM following Sheehan for weeks and months at a time, while only a few sources are giving a mic to Mr. Woods while the rest dismiss Bengahzi as a “Fox News conspiracy”, nope, no distinction.

What media bias?!

ptcamn on October 29, 2012 at 3:31 PM

The individual who issued the stand down order does not understand the fighting nature of an American and I am utterly not surprised.

ted c on October 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Soldiers are expected to ignore an illegal order.

Which this appears to have been.

profitsbeard on October 29, 2012 at 3:31 PM

He also said, “forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing.”

They weren’t asking for it, but He offered them forgiveness anyway.

Midas on October 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Excellent point.

22044 on October 29, 2012 at 3:31 PM

We will end up finding out that Barry voted “present” on this.
Requests were made to him and he said neither “yes” or “no” on sending help.
So no action was taken…because people were waiting for an answer.
Time passed, then
Baryy went to Las Vegas.
Big party.

albill on October 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM

burrata on October 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM

That is a good point. There are spiritual dynamics involved here that Mr. Woods’s absolution fails to take into consideration.

Cleombrotus on October 29, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Can’t the House subpoena the Joint Chiefs of Staff and all applicable theater commanders and demand an answer to the question …

“Who gave the order to stand down?”

Why haven’t they done this?

HondaV65 on October 29, 2012 at 3:34 PM

“What’s it like to call the President of the United States a murderer?”

IIRC Geraldo was OK with it when they said it about Bush.

goflyers on October 29, 2012 at 3:34 PM

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