Great news: Chris Christie ready to reschedule Halloween or something; Update: Some hospitals in trouble; Video: Building’s facade blows away

posted at 9:29 pm on October 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

If Chris Christie tells you you’re trick-and-treating in mid-November, then you’re trick-or-treating in mid-November, punk.

Via JWF, watch below as he makes sure that Atlantic City’s answer to Ray Nagin won’t drag down Christie’s administration with him.

You’re welcome to use this as your open thread for Sandy. As I write this, the storm surge is overrunning lower Manhattan and looks to be just as bad as predicted. These three tweets followed in succession in my timeline some 20 minutes ago:

This amateur video makes Avenue C look like a river, and we’re really only in the first hours of this. The storm made landfall around an hour ago so the surge should continue into the night. The MTA tweeted that it hasn’t made any decisions about closing the subway system and that they won’t be able to assess the damage until tomorrow, but, er, they’re also tweeting that up to four feet of seawater is entering the tunnels on the east side. LaGuardia’s runways could be next, and no one knows how long the blackouts in lower Manhattan — and maybe beyond — will last. I can’t begin to imagine how much total economic damage there’ll be. But hey: Christmas for Keynesians, no?

Update: Rumors flying now on Twitter that the floor of the New York Stock Exchange is under three feet of water. I’m assuming that’s a lie and you should too, but the way things are going, it’s not a completely outlandish one. This, however, appears to be for real.

Update: If you’ve never seen what it looks like when a giant transformer blows, here you go.

Update: The reports about the Stock Exchange do in fact appear to be false. Even so, in the 30 years that I’ve lived here, this looks like it’ll be the single worst day for the city apart from 9/11.

Update: We have a hospital on fire in Coney Island, and the local FDNY can’t reach it because … it’s surrounded by water.

Meanwhile, in Manhattan, the lights went out at NYU’s Tisch hospital — and then the back-up generators went out too:

Update: Here’s something you don’t see every day:

Update: A strange coincidence: I live in a different borough from Karol and Bethany, but my lights flickered too — for the first time all day — just before they posted this:

Could be a pure coincidence but it makes me wonder if maybe we’re headed for a citywide power outage a la 2003, not just the lower half of Manhattan.

Update: 911 in New York City is now getting 10 times as many calls in one half hour as it typically gets in an entire day.


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More Reports from NYU Tisch hospital + backup generator failure. Personnel manually evacuating PICU and NICU down 9 flights of stairs. #TAN

Oh, my God. Been doing this since 83 and never had the hospital generator go out. All the vents are on the back-up generator power outlets. The NICU and PICU. Will they even have enough staff to bag them during the evacuation? In Katrina, they had to abandon some elderly people in hospitals and nursing homes and could do nothing but give them morphine. There was no way to get them out of the facilities. No elevators. No transportation even if they got them to the lower levels. It was months before they got Ochsner and Tufts back up to speed. And NYC has so many more hospitals. The death totals could be horrific. Much worse than 9/11.

talkingpoints on October 30, 2012 at 12:28 AM

I think you are downplaying the severity of this storm and I can’t imagine why.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Really. Talk about a “blooming idiot”. Living in FL for 40+ yrs I’ve been through many Cat 1 storms. I don’t recall 32 feet of water ever hitting a densely populated area.

I’ve been seeing “my natural disaster was worse than your natural disaster” tweets all night. It’s disgusting.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:29 AM

ernesto on October 30, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Oh please.

You’re a typical “Liberal” and its your own stupid arrogance that caused you to BELIEVE you know best and everyone else is an idiot.

You’ve had more than enough time yo know if you’re in a low lying area you needed to leave.

And again I point out, the same people who designed and built.the infrastructure that can’t even handle a cat ONE storm, are the very same people which didn’t even have the sense to evacuate low lying hospitals, although they have a police force.that will stop and frisk.you for no reason, in direct violation of the 4th. You know, to keep you safe and all.

Yep. “Liberals”will got everything all.figured out. Always.

Until they’re standing on their roof crying for a redneck in a Johnboat to come rescue them from their own stupidity. Then suddenly, they’re “tolerant”.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Nope. Inland Northwest is the safest. No tornadoes, no hurricanes, only minor quakes, very little flooding, not nearly as many insects as anywhere else, and, as long as you’re living directly in the mountains, not much trouble with fires. Only caveat; you gotta enjoy winter!

Ace ODale on October 30, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:29 AM

I don’t get that kind of attitude at all, every place is different and lets face it how often do hurricanes get that far North only to crash into another storm. These people are going through a tough time, I hope the storm doesn’t slow down as they anticipated.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Arrgh! NOT living directly in the mountains…

Ace ODale on October 30, 2012 at 12:35 AM

And again I point out, the same people who designed and built.the infrastructure that can’t even handle a cat ONE storm, are the very same people which didn’t even have the sense to evacuate low lying hospitals, although they have a police force.that will stop and frisk.you for no reason, in direct violation of the 4th. You know, to keep you safe and all.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM

You really are an azzhole, aren’t you? That hospital is not being evacuated because of flooding, it is being evacuated because the backup generator failed – which btw, they had assured the mayor before hand was in working order.

You are as bad as any liberal who uses natural disasters to try to score political points.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Nope. Inland Northwest is the safest. No tornadoes, no hurricanes, only minor quakes, very little flooding, not nearly as many insects as anywhere else, and, as long as you’re living directly in the mountains, not much trouble with fires. Only caveat; you gotta enjoy winter!

Ace ODale on October 30, 2012 at 12:34 AM

It’s all fun and games until Yellowstone lets loose.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I think you are downplaying the severity of this storm and I can’t imagine why.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM

One, because its a CAT ONE STORM – as a “Leader” what would be the MINIMUM level storm you would prepare for?!?! On the Coast?!?! In New York -is you know the “financial capital of the world”?!?!?
Pure malfeasance.

Secondly, because they’ve had A WEEK to prepare! My God, how much time do you need?!

I am disgusted, purely disgusted to hear people freaking out NOW when they’ve had a WEEK to get out of harms way. Seriously, if you’re caught in the water, its your own fault, and don’t cry ti me about it. We’ve been talking FOR years about what’s going to happen to all those fancy mansions 2′ above the high tide mark all up and down southern new England since I was a kid. And one of these storms is going to eventually fulfill the foresight and raze tens of thousands of them -and and then you know who’s going to PAY for.them?!? US! And that’s not right.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM

You really are an azzhole, aren’t you? That hospital is not being evacuated because of flooding, it is being evacuated because the backup generator failed – which btw, they had assured the mayor before hand was in working order.

You are as bad as any liberal who uses natural disasters to try to score political points.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Just because a hospital CEO says the backup generator is working doesn’t mean that it is. We saw that time and again during Katrina. Hospital CEOs are slippery when it comes to rubber-stamping stuff like this.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM

‘We are trying to move these patients as fast as possible. Hopefully in a number of hours’ – Robert Grossman, Dean, NYU Medical Center – @nydailynews

4 mins ago from live.nydailynews.com by editor

http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/Tracking_Hurricane_Sandy_2

At least 13 US deaths blamed on Sandy; 5.7 million without power; open app for more on Sandy – @AP

•1 min agofrom http://www.breakingnews.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/sandy

canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM

So these people are suppose to know exactly what to expect in a one in a lifetime storm? The citizenry know only what they are told, they have no experience to work with. Are you okay that we keep putting money into a city that is actually below sea level?

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:45 AM

The U.S. Geological Survey has issued a landslide alert, warning that intense rains “may trigger landslides on coastal bluffs, moderate to steep slopes and locally elsewhere on landslide-prone slopes in Maryland, northern Delaware, northeastern Virginia and southern Pennsylvania.”

Of course this can’t possibly be true, because KMC1 says it is impossible for a CAT 1 storm off the coast of NJ/NY to cause these types of problems.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM

You really are an azzhole, aren’t you? That hospital is not being evacuated because of flooding, it is being evacuated because the backup generator failed – which btw, they had assured the mayor before hand was in working order.

You are as bad as any liberal who uses natural disasters to try to score political points.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Hey you want to know who’s an asshole? The person making excuses for a complete breakdown of preparedness and management for the least possible hurricane threat.

They knew the area would flood, they choose to stay. They knew the power would be out, they choose to have ONE backup generator, even though they KNEW they would need it -the in other words it would NOT be a backup by definition.

Secondly, even though they knew all this, they have NO rescue boats to get out there with!

I don’t call any of this “misfortune” – I call this pure arrogance and negligence.

Plain and simple.

Bloom erg should be terminated immediately.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Just because a hospital CEO says the backup generator is working doesn’t mean that it is. We saw that time and again during Katrina. Hospital CEOs are slippery when it comes to rubber-stamping stuff like this.
cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Oh, STFU troll. What hospital CEO wants to risk hundreds of millions of dollars in wrongful death suits over a generator inspection. Sometimes things just that are supposed to work just FAIL, sort of like your president. Shall I remind you that it is municipal workers whose job it is to certify them?

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Lost and found, just in time
With the hurricane crossing the coast line

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Christien:Nice addition,to your Kinks Video Linky:)

canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 12:50 AM

What time does the looting start?

Brat on October 30, 2012 at 12:50 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Are you unfamiliar with how old this infrastructure is? NYC is a case of early adopter syndrome – when you build first, not everything is designed with cutting edge understanding of natural disasters. Your point is so weak that you could only be trolling, which is really sad, given how late it is on a weekday.

ernesto on October 30, 2012 at 12:51 AM

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM

cane_loader is not a troll but a citizen of LA, you know, where Katrina hit. How do you know what his experiences were? I know for a fact that a senior citizen home there decided not to evacuate and lost many residents.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Crap,oops,wrong thready!

Lost and found, just in time
With the hurricane crossing the coast line

Christien on October 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Christien:Nice addition,to your Kinks Video Linky:)

canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 12:50 AM

canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM

ernesto on October 30, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Ignore him and take care of yourself.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:55 AM

So these people are suppose to know exactly what to expect in a one in a lifetime storm? The citizenry know only what they are told, they have no experience to work with. Are you okay that we keep putting money into a city that is actually below sea level?

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 12:45 AM

It is NOT the a once in a lifetime storm! That’s just lame Cindy!
We’ve had plenty of Nor’Easters come ripping through, hurricanes, etc. Everytime NY even gets a decent rain storm the whole place goes under waters – they knew what to expect, and they should have PLANNED for it to be even worse than forecast.

And NO I do NOT support building in low lying areas at all! New Orleans should be razed to the ground! And if ANYONE builds in a low lying area and loses their house, business, whatever, DO NOT come.crying to me for either rescue or money to rebuild it!

That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. It would.also open up huge area of coastline for peoolethe to bethe able to.use, and would save $BILLIONS each year when these idiots lose.their homes.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM

i’m in NC and where i am, the storm wasn’t that bad… not as bad as in the northeast. and yet my lights still flickered a bit!! hope power stays on =(

Sachiko on October 30, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Oh, STFU troll. What hospital CEO wants to risk hundreds of millions of dollars in wrongful death suits over a generator inspection. Sometimes things just that are supposed to work just FAIL, sort of like your president. Shall I remind you that it is municipal workers whose job it is to certify them?

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM

You obviously don’t know crap about generators and the diligence it takes to keep them ready (same goes for chainsaws, weed-whackers, lawnmowers, etc. – anything that doesn’t get used regularly.)

Properly maintained generator systems almost never fail, yet it happens all the time with hospitals.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:03 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM

I live part time in Virginia Beach, downtown Norfolk floods if three people cry at the same time, but nothing changes and they see a lot of bad weather. I suggest that the cost analysis would indicate that it costs more to correct than to repair the damage. This may change it and it may not. Shovel ready?

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Are you unfamiliar with how old this infrastructure is? NYC is a case of early adopter syndrome – when you build first, not everything is designed with cutting edge understanding of natural disasters. Your point is so weak that you could only be trolling, which is really sad, given how late it is on a weekday.

ernesto on October 30, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Oh right Ernie.
Your “Liberal” overlords can dictate the size of a soda, or create a paramilitary police force, but they can’t either upgrade or destroy old infrastructure. They have several hundred million dollars a year to run around and play Rambo KGB cops, but they can’t spend your tax money (oh, sorry, I forgot, you’re a “Liberal”so it wouldn’t be YOUR tax money they’d spend) to upgrade infrastructure?!?
They couldn’t create better seawall protections where it would be effective, or just plain revoke occupancy permits in “at risk” areas?!? And last but not least, WHY bother spending money on the national weather Service if arrogant “Liberals” like you, think you’re smarter than them and wont evacuate to begin with?

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM

I am disgusted, purely disgusted to hear people freaking out NOW when they’ve had a WEEK to get out of harms way.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:40 AM

I once watched a documentary about the tunnels under NYC that supply water to the city (very interesting program). Part of the documentary was about an ongoing project to dig backup tunnels. They said that if the existing tunnels were suddenly destroyed in an earthquake it wouldn’t be possible to deliver enough water to the residents or evacuate everyone quickly enough without suffering significant casualties from dehydration and rioting. Reinforced my existing instincts to stay the hell out of dense population centers.

vermillionsky on October 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Sachiko on October 30, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Its pass by my area of Florida was very weird, windy and cloudy but zero rain. Apparently we were on the “dry side” of the wind.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM

vermillionsky on October 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Yep, as I mentioned up thread, I was amazed to find that 25% of the nation’s population live in the area under the storm warnings. Come on people, spread out.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:09 AM

One unfortunate thing that hospitals often do is that, out of habit, generators get put in the basement – the first place to flood.

There should be a law that any important public/emergency building near the coast must have the generators on the roof.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:09 AM

If I had nothing else to do, I’d station myself near the subway entrance to see what sort of critters came up.

Just a bit of levity.

Prayers for safety for all.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Rumors flying now on Twitter that the floor of the New York Stock Exchange is under three feet of water.

Turns out it was actually about Team Barry’s campaign.

bayview on October 30, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Is it true that the Coney Island hospital is on fire, as I saw upthread? What could have happened?

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Well yeah…because they keep using our tax dollara to rebuild them. Tell them ONE time, “we’ll help you relocate away from the shore, if you dont do it, you are on your own.” Period. And NEVER let anyone rebuild once those legacy homes get washed away.

It needs to be done sooner or later, and it would open up huge area of access to the ocean for the everyday folks who now have to share a 1/4 public beach with 10,000 other idiots on a hot summer day. Ever been to the beaches in southern new england? Youre not missing anything if the answer is no.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:24 AM

That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. It would.also open up huge area of coastline for peoolethe to bethe able to.use, and would save $BILLIONS each year when these idiots lose.their homes.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Pal, your opinion sucks…this is a once in a lifetime, actually it hasn’t been recorded in history…record cresting tides, 4 1/2 feet above anything ever recorded, it got over 14 1/2, and the highest ever recorded was around 10 feet…that makes it a monster.

No large Nor’Easters this size and a hurricane this size have ever met…both, of course, turning clockwise, with the NE a much higher altitude, the two merged, and increased the size and strength. 136 mph winds were recorded, that’s massive by any ones standard, along with it being about 150 miles in diameter…it spent a week coming up in 82 degree waters gaining strength, than meeting the NE it gained even more strength.

I was 150 miles from where I live (near Wilmington NC) and it was pretty impressive, considering it was 150 miles out…35 foot seas, in this area, that is very unusual, even for the class 2 or 3 storms off of our coast.

You can bet 100, 75, 50, 25 years ago, or even last year nobody predicted this storm, because it hasn’t happened this size, this scope, this power…you should do a little reading, it will help educate you.

You don’t build infrastructure to withstand a once in 200 year storm, or once in history…you weather it, use common sense, and rebuild.

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Is it true that the Coney Island hospital is on fire, as I saw upthread? What could have happened?

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Coney Island Hospital is not on fire; car fire nearby caused confusion

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Coney Island Hospital is not on fire; car fire nearby caused confusion

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Thanks for being on top of it!!!
The fog of war Sandy.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Properly maintained generator systems almost never fail, yet it happens all the time with hospitals.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:03 AM

He is thinking they are a bunch of Craftsman generators in the basement of a hospital, and some one runs down there and pull starts three generators….

Those things are massive, with massive fuel systems. The fuel needs to be polished on a regular basis, generators are massive and need to be run weekly…a lot of PM on those machines, and you can bet they don’t do it.

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Obama was on the radio today, explaining that hurricane Sandy was caused by a video…

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 1:32 AM

The National Weather Service says a blizzard spawned by Sandy will bring 2 to 3 feet of snow to the mountains of West Virginia, with 1 to 2 feet expected to fall in Southwestern Virginia. Another 12 to 18 inches of snow will fall in the mountains near the Tennessee-North Carolina border.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:24 AM

No, I haven’t but I understand what you mean. In Virginia Beach the homes on the ocean have their septic tanks uncovered at least once a year, causing them to be condemned and the road to them washed out on a regular basis also. I guess they got tired of recovering them, so they decided to put in city sewage and the only thing that did was encourage the building of hotels and masses of town homes. My great idea is to build a national storm drain system that can divert flooding waters to areas experiencing drought and/or fires. I think we take too small a view of these things. I will say this, over the years California has done a great job at updating the buildings to withstand most earthquakes. When they built all these cities on the sea, it made sense, that they haven’t done more to improve the situation, doesn’t.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

You obviously don’t know crap about generators and the diligence it takes to keep them ready (same goes for chainsaws, weed-whackers, lawnmowers, etc. – anything that doesn’t get used regularly.)
Properly maintained generator systems almost never fail, yet it happens all the time with hospitals.
cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:03 AM

I own a generator for my home and have one for my data center at work, so tell me again what I know or don’t know about generators. Sometimes sht hits the fan with their surrounding environment such as it is with natural disasters and they fail, sort of like the facade to that building in the video posted above. Was that wall not up to code because some landlord wanted to save a few bucks? You tell me since you’re such an expert.

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 1:32 AM

That’s my point. The bigger the gennie system, the more maintenance. That costs money. Not saying that hospital CEOs intentionally let the systems go bad. But most of them don’t understand the need for regular use, and the expense of changing out 200-gallon tanks of diesel every so often. Bad gas in a generator system at the wrong moment can end badly.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I hate early global warming.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Seriously dude, quit while you’re behind. Even if you’re exactly right about everything you say there will be plenty of time for recriminations, finger wagging and looking down your nose at others once people have stopped dying. For now please give it a rest.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 1:38 AM

You tell me since you’re such an expert.

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

You’re the one who snarked on me. I’ve seen big generator systems in hospoitals fail multiple times due to lack of preparation. You home generator and your data-center generator have nothing to do with hospital generators, and that’s what I was addressing.

I’ve been through plenty of hurricanes, and seen the worst. I was setting up generator systems, including one powering a home for the mentally disabled, after Katrina.I do have some experience. My original point was that hospital generator systems fail a lot more often than they should.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:41 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Blah blah blah…youre entire post was an advertisement from one of those foaming at the moutb weathermen.
It came onshore with barely 90mph winds. You’ve been watchjng way too much hollywood or something.

And these kinds of storms hits almosy every year, this one is stronger than most, and it hitting both on a full moon and a high tide, so what?!?

Should people be stupid enough to build their homes in an area where one slightly stronger than normal storm is pretty much guarranteed to have you swimming?! If you answer yes, then youre one of those idiots I think should get one warning to relocate, and if you dont, youre on youre own. Not my problem if Darwinism has selected you to be one of the animals culled from the herd, so to speak.

Furthermore, even if you think peoole should be living in flood prone areas…..theyve had A WEEK to evacuate! The weather channels have been talking about this thing non stop and they even predicted its path and its intensity very accurately.

If you need more time than that, then again, may I present to you youre very own Darwin award.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:42 AM

I hate early global warming.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:35 AM

heh. That reminds me, Meggy Mac sent out a tweet a couple of hours ago blaming global warming for the storm, and of course, insinuating Republicans are responsible for global warming.

Needless to say, her tweet was not well received by those on the right. IYKWIM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Oh right Ernie.
Your “Liberal” overlords can dictate the size of a soda, or create a paramilitary police force, but they can’t either upgrade or destroy old infrastructure.

And out of every poster on Hot Air, can you name at least 5 of them that supported Bloomberg ban on sodas?

BTW, by it’s very nature, ALL police departments are a “Paramilitary” force.

They have several hundred million dollars a year to run around and play Rambo KGB cops, but they can’t spend your tax money (oh, sorry, I forgot, you’re a “Liberal”so it wouldn’t be YOUR tax money they’d spend) to upgrade infrastructure?!?

Okay, no one will complain about “upgrading” infrastructure…but old OR new, what does “infrastructure” have to do with being wiped out by a storm? Or frankly, dumb ass luck?

They couldn’t create better seawall protections where it would be effective, or just plain revoke occupancy permits in “at risk” areas?!? And last but not least, WHY bother spending money on the national weather Service if arrogant “Liberals” like you, think you’re smarter than them and wont evacuate to begin with?

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Forgetting the rest of the foam at the mouth rant…you DO realize we are talking about Lower Manhattan, right?

You’re trying to make points, by comparing New Orleans to NYC, especially considering that the 2 storms affecting these areas were of 2 different intensities.

As bad as the storm is, even with all the damage, hospitals, etc NYC will recover faster than New Orleans will mostly due to the construction and its location.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 1:45 AM

The water around NYC will probably eat the paint off boats for the next 6 months, as much crazy filth that’s getting washed out to sea.

Ground Zero is finally getting a cleansing from Mother Nature, and that seems nice, to me.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Seriously dude, quit while you’re behind. Even if you’re exactly right about everything you say there will be plenty of time for recriminations, finger wagging and looking down your nose at others once people have stopped dying. For now please give it a rest.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Ahhh…the sanctimonious moral high ground…well thats one way to stay dry tonight.

And youre completelt wrong btw, the calls for Bloombergs resignation should be absolutely started NOW. Obviously if he couldnt plan a week in advance he isnt going to be able to handle the aftermath. The sooner he’s out of office the better for all the affected people.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM

I give her to the Left, they can consider it an early Christmas present.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Should people be stupid enough to build their homes in an area where one slightly stronger than normal storm is pretty much guarranteed to have you swimming?!

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:42 AM

And those stupid idiots who died in Joplin should have known better than to live in tornado alley. And those knuckledragging rednecks who were killed in the Little Rock tornado deserve what they got for living in trailers, but what else would you expect from trailer trash.

See how easy it is to make you sound like a liberal?

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:54 AM

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Stop being logical!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:56 AM

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:41 AM

You have no idea about the environmentals at this hospital, but that doesn’t stop you from wild speculation about the hospital CEO. You work in LA – congrats. You guys are well used to hurricanes of this magnitude, but perhaps this hospital was up to code but not prepared for this kind of catastrophe.

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 1:57 AM

You’re trying to make points, by comparing New Orleans to NYC, especially considering that the 2 storms affecting these areas were of 2 different intensities.

UM, I did?? Where did I do that??

As bad as the storm is, even with all the damage, hospitals, etc NYC will recover faster than New Orleans will mostly due to the construction and its location.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 1:45 AM

At what cost?! And why?! Simply because people are too stupid to build in areas not prone to turning into ocean??

Not to mention the cost to the economy since this is afterall, NY.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Hospital generators should not fail in a hurricane. Period. There is no excuse or reason, including flooding. The only excuse is if the building collapses. So… the buck stops at the CEO.

That’s all I have to say.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Wait, make WHO sound like a “Liberal”??

Because YOU are the one comparing tornadoes with MINUTES of warning to hurricanes with DAYS of warning.

And I NEVER said a cross word about folks living in trailers or rednecks either.

Thats all on you, “Duh”.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM

And youre completelt wrong btw, the calls for Bloombergs resignation should be absolutely started NOW. Obviously if he couldnt plan a week in advance he isnt going to be able to handle the aftermath. The sooner he’s out of office the better for all the affected people.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:51 AM

I’m no fan of Bloomy; but man, you are not really making a lot of sense in the wake of this.

What exactly was Bloomberg to do? Short of forcibly removing people from the affected areas (maybe using that “Paramilitary Force” you were crying about before)what else needed to be done?

The Storm, bad as it was, wasn’t anything worse than the snowstorms or blackouts that have hit NYC over the past 40 something years…and those were ones that I’ve been personally through, good bad and otherwise.

The NYPD, FDNY are doing their jobs: The Guard (another of those dreaded Paramilitary forces Oh My!) are on alert and deployed on Long Island…The city FEMA teams are doing whats necessary to keep the city running.

If anything, the only hiccup is the Transit system, which being underground is understandably going to be hit hardest by the storm, but so far, I have yet to see or hear anything that will put NYC out of business like what happened after Katrina.

Critique when it’s fair and necessary…doing it just for the heck of it just kinda makes you sound like a crank…or Chris Matthews.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 1:57 AM KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Geesh, are you two related? All civilizations built by the sea and rivers. It was their economy and their mode of transportation.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:04 AM

And these kinds of storms hits almosy every year, this one is stronger than most, and it hitting both on a full moon and a high tide, so what?!?

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Okay wise guy…you tell us when the last time these two type of storms merged…since you say they hit almost every year, when was the last time?

Funny, you talk about how they have talked about this for a week, but you also say it’s no big deal…I think you have having a hard time finding that poster “sweet spot” where you antagonize, but don’t want to sound foolish…you missed the sweet spot…

We have homes here in Wilmington that have lasted over 100 years, through Fran, Donna, Hazel, all of them, and a little Ophelia comes through and wipes out a couple…guess they were stupid 100 years ago building there? Good grief…

You must be about 22-24 years old? Is that about right?

I think you are still at the children’s table, in a few years you can move to the adult table.

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Geesh, are you two related? All civilizations built by the sea and rivers. It was their economy and their mode of transportation.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Yeah, why would anyone live along the Mississippi? Why would there be any commerce along a water way, why would they have any commerce around a harbor…I mean, why would they live there, 200 years ago, they could have taken the subway or bus into town, but live in the suburbs, right??

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:07 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM

*whoosh*

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:08 AM

If we all lived in the desert, safely far from water, we’d be safe. Maybe thirsty.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 2:08 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Really. And why would Cindy and I live in Florida, surrounded by water on 3 sides, with threats of hurricanes, alligators and sharks. Not to mention our not so famous sinkholes which can occur in minutes without warning.

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:11 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I live on what I call pretend water, a retention pond, and I have to say I really like it. And I have visited the many plantations along the James river in Virginia that were built pre-Rev0ltionary (in case the filters try to stop me), I bet they have seen a storm or two.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

At what cost?! And why?! Simply because people are too stupid to build in areas not prone to turning into ocean??

Well, arent you about 200 years too damn late to complain about how they built Manhattan on a flippin island?

Not to mention the cost to the economy since this is afterall, NY.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Which suffered through WORSE; including riots & blackouts in the 70′s and 90′s; 2 Terrorists attack in the 90′s; multiple snowstorms..and don’t forget the strikes by various Unions across all 4 decades of same.

Again, just calling for a major bug out of the area is a hell of a lot easier to say than accomplish…plus NOAA & NWS aside, how many times has *your* local weatherman been right? IIRC the last “major” storm they claimed was going to hit the Northeast never happened and that was only 2 something years ago.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

If we all lived in the desert, safely far from water, we’d be safe. Maybe thirsty.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Earthquakes…flash floods, heat stroke…I think I will take periodic hurricanes over 115 degree summer temps, in fact I did…

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

That is not a facade. That is a curtain wall. And an extraordinarily poor one at that. Perhaps the worst I have ever imagined. Clearly that building did not meet code.

pat on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Ahhh…the sanctimonious moral high ground…well thats one way to stay dry tonight.

And youre completelt wrong btw, the calls for Bloombergs resignation should be absolutely started NOW. Obviously if he couldnt plan a week in advance he isnt going to be able to handle the aftermath. The sooner he’s out of office the better for all the affected people.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 1:51 AM

I’d rather be standing on moral high ground, sanctimonious or otherwise, than in the hole you’ve been digging for yourself all night.

Start calling for Bloomberg’s resignation at a time when people are going to listen to you. He’s clearly not going to step down in the middle of the this so yelling might make you feel better but it’s not going to accomplish anything.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM

So you support paramilitary police forces in “the land of the free”? Even when they stop and frisk, in clear violation of the 4th amendment?

Thats a great way to explain quickly why youre not a person who can be reasoned with.

But thanks for essentially saying the storm is really nothing too out of the ordinary, contrary to R2B who obviously believes everything he hears on the weather çhannel.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:13 AM

*whoosh*

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:08 AM

LOL!

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Stop being logical!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 1:56 AM

That only happens around Blondes & Redheads, then I get as dumb as stump.

:o)

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:16 AM

I think I will take periodic hurricanes over 115 degree summer temps, in fact I did…

Come on down to the Texas gulf coast… we happen to have both!

hungrymongo on October 30, 2012 at 2:17 AM

I live on what I call pretend water, a retention pond, and I have to say I really like it. And I have visited the many plantations along the James river in Virginia that were built pre-Rev0ltionary (in case the filters try to stop me), I bet they have seen a storm or two.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

I am so surprised by the amount of “old” homes and plantations that have survived untold storms…along the Cape Fear River, a number of homes, but mainly business, since the river was for commerce, but along the streets just 100 ft from the river are homes over 100-150 years old…some have been wiped out from hurricanes such as Hazel that came right up the river, others have survived…and it depends on what storm.

We have the Outer Banks, Kitty Hawk, look at the map, it looks like a fighter jaw sticking out…it gets hammered every year, and some of the homes are from the 40′s and 50′s…and yeah, once in awhile some homes get wiped out…once in awhile a home burns down also…

But you don’t pick up a whole city and move it away from water…and you don’t pick up Manhattan and decide to move it 20 miles inland…

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:19 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Just so you know you could surprise absolutely no one right now by saying you’re under 30 and you voted for Ron Paul in the primary.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 2:20 AM

I live on what I call pretend water, a retention pond, and I have to say I really like it. And I have visited the many plantations along the James river in Virginia that were built pre-Rev0ltionary (in case the filters try to stop me), I bet they have seen a storm or two.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Retention ponds are awesome, never saw them in California, of course…we have gators, fish, ducks, geese, we have about 10 miles of canoeing “retention” lakes around our homes, it’s quite a water system that dumps into the Cape Fear…NYC I do not think they have retention ponds, so the water just builds up, especially at high tide…

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Just so you know you could surprise absolutely no one right now by saying you’re under 30 and you voted for Ron Paul in the primary.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 2:20 AM

You can put money on that…

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:23 AM

@ericburris

30 Rock in New York City (home to NBC) has sustained damage, including many windows out…

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:25 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I’m very familiar with the Outer Banks, love that area. At one time we seriously thought about moving to Currituck. Almost everything in life is the luck of the draw, do everything right and get hit by a car. That was a shame about the Bounty at Hatteras.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:25 AM

right2bright on October 30, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I guess it’s too late to consider them now. We have been spared any gators but that can’t be forever, it is Florida.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:28 AM

So you support paramilitary police forces in “the land of the free”? Even when they stop and frisk, in clear violation of the 4th amendment?

Kid, I say this with love in my heart, but you really sound silly chirping the “paramilitary force” meme.

It’s a Police Department; if you prefer to see what a REAL “Paramilitary force” looks like in action, grab your passport and fly to Russia and talk to a few MVD officers…or, if your too damn cheap to go that far, try Venezuela and they’re lovely troops there.

You sound like you had a bad run in with cops in the past…sorry that happened, but 99% of them do a really crappy thankless task, and its usually not helped by people that want to paint them with the same stupid brush that you’re trying to use…and badly at that I might add.

Thats a great way to explain quickly why youre not a person who can be reasoned with.

Sure thing kid…cuz I MUST be with the “secret police”…sssshhh! Tell anyone, and I’ll come and take your parents & kids away. Oh wait, we don’t do that here.

Actually, I’m quite reasonable; i try to avoid overly rude behavior or name calling on the first date, mostly because I want a conversation.

But keep trying, I’m sure you’ll accuse me of being a closet Liberal ANY minute now….

But thanks for essentially saying the storm is really nothing too out of the ordinary, contrary to R2B who obviously believes everything he hears on the weather çhannel.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:13 AM

No, I said the storm was bad, but since NYC has been through worse, I won’t be out there screaming for the entire island of Manhattan to be evacuated because of the storm.

YOU, OTOH seem to be calling the people that stayed stupid and deserving of what they got, which frankly sounds as ignorant as anything I’ll read in the HuffPost fever swamp.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Hospital generators should not fail in a hurricane. Period. There is no excuse or reason, including flooding. The only excuse is if the building collapses. So… the buck stops at the CEO.

That’s all I have to say.

cane_loader on October 30, 2012 at 1:59 AM

A lot of things shouldn’t happen. I hope you’ve indemnified yourself in your work for all the theoretical scenarios in which you say here should be your fault.

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:25 AM

I probably should feel worse about that than I do. As long as no one gets hurt.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Got plenty o’ gators in NYC subway system…we call them rats.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Geesh, are you two related? All civilizations built by the sea and rivers. It was their economy and their mode of transportation.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Yeah, hurricane-alley MS is totally the same as NYC.

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 2:32 AM

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Flora Duh on October 30, 2012 at 2:34 AM

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Now that is an area of NYC worth worrying about, do you really think they will get a lot of salt water in the subway system. Salt water is only good for fish and, oddly enough, quickly healing scraps and minor cuts but not transportation systems.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:34 AM

The Count on October 30, 2012 at 2:32 AM

It doesn’t matter if they are the same, you act like these places were built in the last decade. The FACT is that all civilization build around the water because it is the life blood of everything. And you being offended because someone has had a entirely different experience than yours seems to run counter to what most people come on the internet to do, broaden their horizons with similarly minded people.

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canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 1:46 AM

canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Just so you know you could surprise absolutely no one right now by saying you’re under 30 and you voted for Ron Paul in the primary.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2012 at 2:20 AM

And I’m pretty sure not many folks are going to fall.out of your chair when you say you support Obozo. But I do admire how both you and R2B are essentially arguing forpeople to have the right to live in areas that are not feasable, at the cost of everyone else. (Sounds a lot like “thinks like a mineral”)

And that even with a WEEK to plan, Bloomy let people get stranded in a hospital surrounded by water, without power, and patients in critical care wards.

Yeah, you guys have great judgement. You guys arent exactly bolstering your case for “wisedom with old age” are yya

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canopfor on October 30, 2012 at 2:42 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Good grief you’re a bullhead. Exactly when do you think, in our history, that New York should have been dismantled? How about farms along the Mississippi? And then there is the never ending cycle in California of brush fires, followed by the rainy season and mud slides. Where is this utopia that is problem free that should be the center of our population?

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:46 AM

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Oh and I did find it interesting that you did not deny the description of you. Not that there is anything wrong with being a Ronulan.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Now that is an area of NYC worth worrying about, do you really think they will get a lot of salt water in the subway system. Salt water is only good for fish and, oddly enough, quickly healing scraps and minor cuts but not transportation systems.

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:34 AM

yes and no: The tunnel system has a rather extensive network of pumps, vents etc that was made to handle all BUT the most serious of flooding, so as far as that goes, it SHOULD be okay.

The real harm however, is to the electrical part of the system; even though Manhattan & parts of Brooklyn will suffer the most, power outages will affect the AC parts of the system (signals, station lights etc) and that will cause cascading affects on the power grid.

As for the rest of the system the “elevated” parts of the network I’m assuming that the MTA will shut that down simply because of the high winds, so even in parts of the city system that would remain “dry” (The Bronx, some Queens stations etc) they wont be running because of fear of “rollover” and heavy usage.

I can respect them shutting parts of the system down, especially from 34th street to the Battery, and DEFINITELY closing the bridge & tunnel crossings to & from Brooklyn, but IMHO, they could have kept SOME limited service even if it’s just local in the other boroughs.

BlaxPac on October 30, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Kid, I say this with love in my heart, but you really sound silly chirping the “paramilitary force” meme.

It’s a Police Department; if you prefer to see what a REAL “Paramilitary force” looks like in action, grab your passport and fly to Russia and talk to a few MVD officers…or, if your too damn cheap to go that far, try Venezuela and they’re lovely troops there.

You sound like you had a bad run in with cops in the past…sorry that happened, but 99% of them do a really crappy thankless task, and its usually not helped by people that want to paint them with the same stupid brush that you’re trying to use…and badly at that I might add.

Youre cracking me up. You sound so insulated from the real world, its not even funny. I’m not even gonna bother giving you examples of why you’re naive.

And if you think I’m ragging on COPS you’re really cracking me up! Lolz.

For all your psycho babble crap, its funny to see how ridiculously off.base you are.

You are right about one thing though, you’re way to the Left of me, that’s for sure.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Cindy Munford on October 30, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Ahh…theres.the real.cindy starting to show. Was wo.dering when youd drop the facade.

Did i say ALL of New York?!

Ready comprehension…its a great thing to learn! Nite all.

KMC1 on October 30, 2012 at 2:51 AM

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