Breaking: Fox News reports CIA command refused to help Benghazi consulate during attack

posted at 12:01 pm on October 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, Leon Panetta told reporters that the US military didn’t intervene to assist our consulate in Benghazi during the attack because of a lack of real-time intelligence.  Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin now reports that the CIA got at least three requests for support from the annex in the city to help fend off the attack — and that the chain of command not only refused the requests, but ordered its personnel to “stand down.”  Two of the Americans killed in the terrorist attack disobeyed orders and attempted to rescue their fellow Americans:

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to “stand down.”

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

It’s not as if there was no resources to respond, either:

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they too were told to stand down. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Specter gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

Griffin’s sources tell her that the annex had painted a laser target at a terrorist mortar position and had called for an air strike.  I’m not sure what that looks like in Panetta’s world, but it at least sounds like real-time intelligence on the attack, as well as a clear target, if this report is correct.

Saxby Chambliss is right — this gets uglier every day.

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PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM

So, am I to believe the military is just in the med on vacation, or do they or do they not have “contingencies” which cover issues like a consulate under attack?

Yes, intel is critical. However, I’d like to add it is impossible to have a complete intellegence picture when someone else instigates an attack such as the one in Bengazi. It isn’t foolhardy to send in troops to protect or defend a consulate under attack, especially if you believe the narrative about it being a “spontaneous” attack.

I don’t know which military you are talking about. The girl scouts? (My apologies to the girl scouts, they are a fine organization) There is NO military in the third world that is trained for the kind of stuff our guys can do. The best the third world can offer is to plant a few IED’s and hope they get lucky.

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM

this should make everyones blood boil. I guess this is what “leading from behind” is all about, our own brave people get killed. I don’t see how the media palace guards can continue to keep this tamped down.

exceller on October 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM

happytobehere on October 26, 2012 at 1:17 PM

wouldn’t that be a hoot…just 47% of the vote

cmsinaz on October 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM

For the most part, I’d agree with you.

However, this does NOT explain the reported “Stand Down” order.

Jabberwock on October 26, 2012 at 1:14 PM

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I can rationalize the “STAND DOWN” order …. but that does not mean I agree with it.

The Consulate was under attack – the annex was not under attack and the bulk of the people were at the annex – not the consulate.

The two ex-SEALS were more valuable as defensive resources at the annex than they were as SAR for Stevens and Smith.

The “STAND DOWN” can be justified as a best use of forces decision.

I will NOT criticize Doherty and Woods for their choices because they were trying to do what we all wish we could do in that situation – trying to help someone in trouble.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The Punk Kenyan to CIA – “Let Them die”

Texyank on October 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Obama threw the ambassador under the bus, that was the “bump in the road”.

Spartacus on October 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

This goes WAY beyond ideology: no matter what administration is in charge, or what the prevailing philosophy is, America should always, ALWAYS protect her own. There is no excuse for this. Medals of Honor for the two brave (that word seems almost trite to describe their actions) SEALs who sought to rescue their countrymen at any cost, and national disgrace for all the spineless weasels who denied them the support and protection they should have had. Let’s have justice.

This story has made me angrier than any other that has yet come out about the Benghazi attack. That it is not a greater scandal is a crime of the highest proportions. F*ck you, complicit media.

Animator Girl on October 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

There is a sick conspiracy theory floating around that Obowma wanted to appease the Muslim Brotherhood and return the Blind Sheik to them, but couldn’t without a huge backlash…

… The only way he could do it and save face if it was in exchange for a hostage, an American Ambassador.

Valarie Jarett was born in Iran…

O_O

Seven Percent Solution on October 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

The issue is NOT what we could have, should have or would have done for the people at the consulate AFTER it was attacked.

The issue IS what we could have, should have or would have done for the people at the consulate BEFORE it was attacked.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I agree for the most part. The biggest scandal is what was not done before the attack.

However, a massive show of military force at the consulate and annex as soon as possible after it was all over would, by its presence alone, have sent a message the savages and barbarians in the region understand.

Instead the Obama admin pretended, for many weeks, it was all the result of a spontaneous protest that got out of hand, a spontaneous protest that we could not have foreseen and that we could do nothing about. It didn’t even send the FBI there to investigate.

farsighted on October 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

You guys are like 6-year-olds in your inability to accept any reality that differs from the parallel univers you’ve created in your minds.
 
urban elitist on October 21, 2012 at 8:15 AM

 
Speaking of, you’re willing to give him the same responsibility regarding Fast/Furious, Benghazi, and film-makers taking the fall… And you’ll vote accordingly, right?
 
rogerb on October 21, 2012 at 9:05 AM

 
Indeed. I will vote for the man who…
 
urban elitist on October 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

 
urban elitist, you have a call holding.

rogerb on October 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Planned and executed, I might ad…there was nothing in the way the atta k was carried out to suggest they were after taking hostages…nada…

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Yes. Everyone conveniently forgets that a Turks was having “dinner” with Stevens right prior to the attack. Same Turk who was also involved in gun running and through whose territory the arms were being delivered to Al Qaeda in Syria.

Stevens walked the Turk outside after “dinner” and saw absolutely nothing that caught his eye. Roughly 40 minutes later attackers showed up, once the Turk was safely out of the way.

We also conveniently forget that it was Turkey that Hussein called the night he won in 2008, no other place on Earth. TURKEY. Same islamists who now is certain have altered out elections in 2008 via political push and financial donations.

I’ve been asking “What did Stevens know and when” since Day 1, look at my posts on the subject. There simply HA to be a reason for all of this. Hussein/Betrayus/Panetta/Shillary were ALL involved in gun running to Al Qaeda and seems that Stevens was the weak link to be eliminated. So, they found that stupid video online and the plan was set in motion. But only AFTER the ship with arms has sailed from Benghazi to Turkey. RIGHT AFTER.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

SWalker on October 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM

I get what you’re saying and why. I just tend to lean more toward the principle of occam’s razor.

txhsmom on October 26, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Okay Pol, one question:

Is your answer to sacrifice 30 Americans and have their bodies dragged through the streets?

itsspideyman on October 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM

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Your statement has no context – and you obviously ignored the part about what should have been done BEFORE the attack – including the link to an article indicating Hillary Clinton DID request enhanced security for Benghazi.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin now reports that the CIA got at least three requests for support from the annex in the city to help fend off the attack — and that the chain of command not only refused the requests, but ordered its personnel to “stand down.” Two of the Americans killed in the terrorist attack disobeyed orders and attempted to rescue their fellow Americans:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

….are you f#$king kidding me!!!!

Put these political hacks on trial and then in jail….
…..unforgivable.

Our people deserve justice….not political cover-up and a lap dog media that cares more about defending Obama than it does about the unnecessary deaths of our people abroad.

Baxter Greene on October 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:14 PM

For the most part Americans have elected these types of leaders for well over a generation. We are reaping what was sowed.

chemman on October 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’m still shaken by the words “stand down”. Since when do Americans stand down when it comes to something like this?

scalleywag on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Has KOs said ‘Screw Em’ yet??

BigWyo on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The piecemeal cover-up by the administration is even more incompetent than the botched response to the attack itself. Americans, especially the victims’ families, deserve answers–not this pathetic drips and drabs of opinion from administration officials. The fight for political survival between the Clinton wing of the Dem party and the Obama wing needs to take a back seat, and if they won’t stop putting their own careers first–which we all know they won’t–then voters should mete out collective punishment for all involved.

Christien on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin now reports that the CIA got at least three requests for support from the annex in the city to help fend off the attack — and that the chain of command not only refused the requests, but ordered its personnel to “stand down.” Two of the Americans killed in the terrorist attack disobeyed orders and attempted to rescue their fellow Americans:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

….are you f#$king kidding me!!!!

Put these political hacks on trial and then in jail….
…..unforgivable.

Our people deserve justice….not political cover-up and a lap dog media that cares more about defending Obama than it does about the unnecessary deaths of our people abroad.

Baxter Greene on October 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM

+1000

Animator Girl on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Ruminate on this: The administration was asked for help, for air support, for more security before hand, there were hundreds of events in the months leading up to this, and they STILL went on the air for 2 weeks claiming it was a video.

I”m not sure where the line between lying and criminal behavior is, but to my thinking when 4 americans are dead, and at least a half-dozen highlevel officials lie to obscure the facts and cover the truth, there has to be something criminal going on.

WashingtonsWake on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Indeed. I will vote for the man who…

urban elitist on October 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

He’s no man, he’s a coward and cynical boy king SOB…Nero comes to mind…

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:35 PM

They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to “stand down.”

…how ironic that this is the same thing that the Clinton administration did when they had at least 8 chances of taking out Osama….

……..”stand down”……is a fitting label for the democrats foreign policy.

Baxter Greene on October 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM

SWalker on October 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM

I get what you’re saying and why. I just tend to lean more toward the principle of occam’s razor.

txhsmom on October 26, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Believe me mom, normally so do I, but the information we have about Benghazi makes that simply impossible.

SWalker on October 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM

The alphabet networks, NYT and WaPo will surely pursue this unbelievable betrayal with rigor, NOT.

bayview on October 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM

This is from Diplomad, a retired US Foreign Service Officer. He has had terrific posts on Benghazi and Fast & Furious:

“Don’t Go Rescue Them”

He only put the words Update in bold. The other emphases are mine.

. . . Mr. Woods points out something that the media has not and which this blog has tried to: Somewhere, somebody told the military not to go rescue our personnel.

That “No” had to come from the Commander-in-Chief.

UPDATE: Some of the info I am getting from contacts behind the scenes makes the whole thing look even worse than what has come out so far in public. I can’t go into it, but there was an ability and a willingness to respond. Someone very high up made a conscious decision not to respond. SecDef Panetta’s excuses are pathetic, and not worthy of him.

UPDATE 2: I see that FOX is getting the same info I have been getting. FOX has been doing an outstanding job on covering this. As I predicted in a prior post, folks at State and CIA are talking to FOX and will not take the fall for this disgusting misadministration.

INC on October 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM

AS this story comes out – you couldn’t make a Hollywood movie about this any better than real life.

If Romney gets elected.. the Medal of Honor needs to be given posthumously to the two Navy Seals that refused orders and saved 30 people’s lives while sacrificing their own.

rgrovr on October 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I would like to know where the AC-130 gunship was? It was the same problem in Somalia when Clinton refused to authorize AC-130 gunships for cover in Somalia and we all know the results of that.

Sven on October 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I’m still shaken by the words “stand down”. Since when do Americans stand down when it comes to something like this?

scalleywag on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

ONLY when their is a much larger agenda in play.

SWalker on October 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

So, where is GOP on this? Anyone hear from Boehner and McConnell?

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM

You’re fookin’ joking right?

This country is Game Over– in case no one noticed.

Mr. Arrogant on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Occam’s razor – among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected. I think that Obama’s reluctance to decide anything is well known, and making a decision to save our ambassador and others was just too difficult for him. Remember the banality of evil. There is no conspiracy, just an inept chief executive.

Sheerq on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Panetta’s excuse as to why we did not respond is lame. “We don’t send people into harm’s way until we know what is happening”. Every marine, army ranger and special ops person I know is trained to run towards gunfire.
This story becomes sicker by the day. O said at debate that the buck does stop with him. This one has now stopped. Whatcha gonna do now O?

dhugh on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

The “STAND DOWN” can be justified as a best use of forces decision.Wrong. A field commander can disobey a stand down order in the event his own people are getting slaughtered. You can go nuts with the, “Well it wasn’t his own people,” argument. But it’s like seeing your neighbor’s kid getting molested and you call the police and they tell you to “do nothing.”

I didn’t think Ambassador Stephens was a swell guy and all, but the people who disobeyed orders to save him and his people are to be held in the highest regard for their actions. He was “an American” and we DO NOT leave Americans hanging in the wind to be murdered – despite the skewed perceptions of the current presidential administration.

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

So, am I to believe the military is just in the med on vacation, or do they or do they not have “contingencies” which cover issues like a consulate under attack? – Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I think they had more than that.

Report said one CIA guy had a target designator on a mortar position and was calling for air support from an AC-130.

Why would he do that if the nearest AC-130 was, say, sitting on a ramp in Sicily 400 miles away? Why did he expect that support? You wouldn’t hold a laser on a target for an hour while a plane was on the way.

I’d like to know if there was an AC-130 over Benghazi that night.

Spade on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

28 MAR 2011… a short excerpt from President Obama saying what his first concern was in Libya as things got going from the Global Security document chache:

Last month, Qaddafi’s grip of fear appeared to give way to the promise of freedom. In cities and towns across the country, Libyans took to the streets to claim their basic human rights. As one Libyan said, “For the first time we finally have hope that our nightmare of 40 years will soon be over.”

Faced with this opposition, Qaddafi began attacking his people. As President, my immediate concern was the safety of our citizens, so we evacuated our embassy and all Americans who sought our assistance. Then we took a series of swift steps in a matter of days to answer Qaddafi’s aggression.

And 18 months later it was to get a good night’s rest so he could say how awful it was Americans died and then go to a fund-raiser in Las Vegas.

So much for that ‘immediate concerns’ stuff. That had an expiration date on it, too.

ajacksonian on October 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

The building formally known as the Pentagon has become a G-d damned mega mosque whore house of servicing Muslims. The Perfumed Pimps there masquerading as Generals have no regard for America and it’s Constitution or their own troops and they are all out sons-of-#itches, traitors, and chronic dhimmis!

VorDaj on October 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Nice to see a story like this bring out the antimiltary crowd found even in the conservative ranks.

Mate, you’re nuts. Get help.

smoothsailing on October 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Diplomad has been saying for weeks that there would be info leaks to establish the truth.

INC on October 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:14 PM

For the most part Americans have elected these types of leaders for well over a generation. We are reaping what was sowed.

chemman on October 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I suppose so and it is too bad.

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I’m still shaken by the words “stand down”. Since when do Americans stand down when it comes to something like this?

scalleywag on October 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

We don’t. That’s one of the issues here. That was a decidedly un-American act. That order came from the top.

It’s time this can of worms was opened up. The American People deserve answers. Obama and Hillary must be removed from office and jailed for their criminal behavior, along with anyone else that colluded with them in the initial act and the subsequent cover up.

dogsoldier on October 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Occam’s razor – among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected. I think that Obama’s reluctance to decide anything is well known, and making a decision to save our ambassador and others was just too difficult for him. Remember the banality of evil. There is no conspiracy, just an inept chief executive.

Sheerq on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Occam’s Razor ceases to be a functional aspect of logic when incompetent political calculations are involved.

SWalker on October 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Tyrone Woods’ father just now on Fox. Says he’s an attorney, so what Obama and Clinton did here might not meet the technical definition of murder, those two “are the murderers of my son.”

Heart-breaking.

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Desperately trying to shine that turd.

BobMbx on October 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I’d like to know if there was an AC-130 over Benghazi that night.

Spade on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Not only that, but State Dept. and I am sure CIA and others, were watching the attack in real time. And that means at least 1 drone overhead, which I can’t imagine being non-armed in that part of the world.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty are PATRIOTS.

They will not have died in vain.

ajacksonian on October 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

There has been previous speculation (by me and others) that the original intent of Benghaziquiddick was to provide an opportunity for BO to show his heavy diplomatic skills … he had arranged for the MoBros to grab the US Ambassador then release him, in return for, perhaps the Blind Sheik and some heavy cash …

…now reports that the CIA got at least three requests for support from the annex in the city to help fend off the attack — and that the chain of command not only refused the requests, but ordered its personnel to “stand down.” Two of the Americans killed in the terrorist attack disobeyed orders and attempted to rescue their fellow Americans:

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… this report makes such idle speculation much more difficult to dismiss …

Arbalest on October 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Where is the journal?

faraway on October 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Well, we are certainly finding out why the White House and State Department doesn’t want to discuss this matter. This is very disconcerting in more than one way. We have dead Americans, lame excuses and no national coverage other than Fox News.

DDay on October 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Interesting caller on Rush right now talking about the ‘in extremis’ (sp?) force would have been ready to go if Obama had given the call to rescue at his 5 p.m. meeting. Sounds like he knows about the situation.

Mitsouko on October 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I suppose so and it is too bad.

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Agreed.

chemman on October 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM

This whole affair makes Pearl Harbor look like a triumph of defensive contingency planning.

Expect the bullshit to continue until approximately 2200 on November 6, when suddenly people will begin to sing like canaries.

spiritof61 on October 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM

I’d like to know if there was an AC-130 over Benghazi that night.

Spade on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

That would be damning if true. It would be a safe bet there were resources that could have hit that mortor that night and saved the lives of those men.

Anyone want to take that bet? At the rate the story is blowing up, it’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out.

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM

So, am I to believe the military is just in the med on vacation, or do they or do they not have “contingencies” which cover issues like a consulate under attack?

Yes, intel is critical. However, I’d like to add it is impossible to have a complete intellegence picture when someone else instigates an attack such as the one in Bengazi. It isn’t foolhardy to send in troops to protect or defend a consulate under attack, especially if you believe the narrative about it being a “spontaneous” attack.

I don’t know which military you are talking about. The girl scouts? (My apologies to the girl scouts, they are a fine organization) There is NO military in the third world that is trained for the kind of stuff our guys can do. The best the third world can offer is to plant a few IED’s and hope they get lucky.

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM

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Well, I have friends who were in Iraq who would gladly introduce their boot to your azz repeatedly for this statement:

The best the third world can offer is to plant a few IED’s and hope they get lucky.

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They lost friends because of jingoistic thinking like yours which led to the REMF’s viewing IED’s in that light and letting hundreds of our people die before they even began to think of IED’s as sophisticated devices capable of shredding our APC’s.

Your ignorance of the fact that Iran developed IED’s which created hyper-ballistic molten metal penetrators capable of destroying an M1A2 tank is indicative of the level of knowledge you bring to this discussion.

From a tactical point of view, you have the luxury of blithely ignoring the “draw the cavalry into an ambush by attacking a few settlers” dilemma – unfortunately, we live in a world where that dliemma is one our troops face daily.

No need to discuss intelligence with you – it would be like trying to explain color to someone born blind.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I’d like to know if there was an AC-130 over Benghazi that night.

Spade on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

According to this, there were two in the theater.

cozmo on October 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Nice to see a story like this bring out the antimiltary crowd found even in the conservative ranks.

Mate, you’re nuts. Get help.

smoothsailing on October 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

don’t know who VorDaj is but when you consider the path Major Nadal Hassan took to arrive at Ft. Hood he makes more sense than not.

DanMan on October 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM

There are folks in the CIA who know exactly how this went down…and they’ll be telling us soon, now that they know their own were left to die when help COULD HAVE been summoned.

I think Panetta is starting to get worried about his own fat ass being in a sling here. And WHERE IN THE HELL in Patraeus?! They’ve got him so deep underground it is unbelievable. Maybe HE has something to say about leaving men alone in the field to die when help was just around the corner?

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Why is Chaffetz or Issa not screaming bloody murder about this right now, and forcing the media to cover it?

Droopy on October 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

This Rush caller is giving the low down…he is pissed!

Saying the governing philosophy stemmed from the failure of Desert 1. Saying current 4 star Generals now remember the Carter disaster and didn’t have the courage to act even though they could have.

Mitsouko on October 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM

This just breaks my heart. Will we ever learn who gave the stand down order? Listening to Col. Chuck Nash and Gen.McInerny (sp?) now on Fox. They are outraged.

bopbottle on October 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM

. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

This is an unbelievable crime committed by this administration.There is no other way to look at it.This irresponsible,dereliction of duty has directly cost lives and goes against everything our military forces are taught and trained for.
This is 100% the responsibility of the leadership and the PC “lead from behind” direction they have instituted in our military under the guise of “smart power”……

Our elected officials aren’t worth a da#n if they don’t stand up and demand justice be done for such a horrendous miscarriage of responsibility and criminal actions that the Obama leadership is responsible for.

Baxter Greene on October 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Tyrone Woods’ father just now on Fox. Says he’s an attorney, so what Obama and Clinton did here might not meet the technical definition of murder, those two “are the murderers of my son.”

Heart-breaking.

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:41 P

Ican’t watch any of these anymore. It breaks my heart and my stomach turns.

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Obama to the US Constitution:

Stand Down

BobMbx on October 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM

No need to discuss intelligence with you – it would be like trying to explain color to someone born blind.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Not too bright yourself, bud. The IED was the only effective measure used against our forces. Did you not read my post? And please, send a few of those guys over. I would like to shake their hands for their incredible bravery in the face of all the bullsh*t they’ve had to go through, while a dimwit calls the shots from the white house.

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM

This will get out, through the efforts of Fox News and the new Media. God comfort the families of these brave Americans.

kingsjester on October 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM

You guys are like 6-year-olds in your inability to accept any reality that differs from the parallel univers you’ve created in your minds.

urban elitist on October 21, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Speaking of, you’re willing to give him the same responsibility regarding Fast/Furious, Benghazi, and film-makers taking the fall… And you’ll vote accordingly, right?

rogerb on October 21, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Indeed. I will vote for the man who…

urban elitist on October 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

urban elitist, you have a 3 AM call holding.

rogerb on October 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Fixed.

If this FUBAR had taken place on Bush’s Watch, UE and his fellow travelers would be marching on the White House with torches and pitchforks.

Speaking of which, have you noticed that UE’s fellow space traveler uppereastside has been totally AWOL lately? He’d accuse O’bamna of being a War Criminal over this if O’bamna was a (R)…

Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Just heard a caller on Rush claiming to be former Lt. Col. Special Ops describing very detailed procedures that would have been implemented in this emergency at the compound. He sounded legitimate, and said there is no way that POTUS would not have been informed, using inside channels, of exactly what was going on.

This is going to get even uglier, if that’s possible.

2ndMAW68 on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I’d like to know if there was an AC-130 over Benghazi that night.

Spade on October 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I have to believe that if there was, they would have engaged, orders be damned.

I served in an aircrew, and I simply can’t imagine obeying an order to watch Americans die when I was in a position to stop it.

Washington Nearsider on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Can’t wait for Biden’s input on this.

BobMbx on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I want impeachment, i want people fired and people to go to jail for this scandal..seriously, this gets worse everyday…this is outrageous

sadsushi on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I think Panetta is starting to get worried about his own fat ass being in a sling here. And WHERE IN THE HELL in Patraeus?! They’ve got him so deep underground it is unbelievable. Maybe HE has something to say about leaving men alone in the field to die when help was just around the corner?

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Betrayus is as guilty as others. The only honorable thing to do at that point, IF HE WAS NOT COMPLICIT IN THE GUN RUNNING TO AL QAEDA, was ignore WH orders, do the right thing and then offer his resignation once everyone in Benghazi was safe and sound.

But it now is obvious that he was involved more than we know and was also complicit in covering his (and others’) tracks.

His name will forever be stained with Benghazi now.

I sill say prison terms for all involved and the higher the position the longer the term. Guantanamo is used for prisoners of war/traitors, sounds like a good place for them.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

The two ex-SEALS were more valuable as defensive resources at the annex than they were as SAR for Stevens and Smith.

The “STAND DOWN” can be justified as a best use of forces decision.

I will NOT criticize Doherty and Woods for their choices because they were trying to do what we all wish we could do in that situation – trying to help someone in trouble.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Good Lord. Listen to yourself.
Stand Down is stand down.
No “defense”, no ” best use of forces”
Stand down is surrender. Especially when no help is forthcoming.

Jabberwock on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

The debates are over. It’s time for a STRONG AD from Romney on this. Explain exactly what happened here, that these American men were left to die, were denied help, that Zero went and tucked his cowardly, cold ass into bed and slept like a baby after watching these men die or dying. Put it in an ad, run it in every swing state in the country. THAT will make the media cover this shit. It’s time.

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM

They had two spectre gun ships at Sigonella. Considering it was 4 hours, They had plenty of time to get them engaged. We’re not talking about drawing calvary in danger close for an ambush. We’re talking about using superior airpower that was at our disposal that was never used. Or are you going to equate using air to drawing them in for an ambush? Frankly what’s even worse was the order to stand down. This was not an offensive operation. This was a defensive op. And they wouldn’t even let them try and defend themselves which is almost as bad as not giving them any assist at all.

Minnfidel on October 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Why is Chaffetz or Issa not screaming bloody murder about this right now, and forcing the media to cover it?

Droopy on October 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

For same reasons that Boehner is keeping his suntanning appointments.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Please remind me what has Issa done in the past 2 years with all the bravado pre- and post 2010 elections. List names and prison terms for all the “investigations” he has led.

Same as Seinfeld, its a show about nothing.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

WOODS: “I don’t know much about weapons but it’s coming out right now that they actually had lazer focused on the mortors that were being sent to kill my son. And they refused to pull the trigger. They refused to send in those C30s(?). To me, I’m an attorney, this may not be the legal test of murder. But to me that is not only cowardice, but those people who made the decision and who knew about the decision and lied about it, are murderers of my son.

INC on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Washington Nearsider on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I served under two pilots doing their Squadron Command billets in the Air Force. Both of them would have kicked their own mothers under the bus to further their careers. While I want to believe what you say my experience says otherwise.

chemman on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

There are folks in the CIA who know exactly how this went down…and they’ll be telling us soon, now that they know their own were left to die when help COULD HAVE been summoned.

I think Panetta is starting to get worried about his own fat ass being in a sling here. And WHERE IN THE HELL in Patraeus?! They’ve got him so deep underground it is unbelievable. Maybe HE has something to say about leaving men alone in the field to die when help was just around the corner?

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Paetreus is a huge dissappointment, a disgrace really. He’s the friggin’ CIA head for crying out loud, and it’s clear that CIA was heavily involved in this and played a prominent role in the whole thing. so, where on earth is he hiding and why.

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Has Kathryn Bigelow been given access to classified info for a movie on Benghazi?

tuffy on October 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Just heard a caller on Rush claiming to be former Lt. Col. Special Ops describing very detailed procedures that would have been implemented in this emergency at the compound. He sounded legitimate, and said there is no way that POTUS would not have been informed, using inside channels, of exactly what was going on.

This is going to get even uglier, if that’s possible.

2ndMAW68 on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Heard that, too. And if he had that info, he’s not the only one. There are a lot of people out there who can put the pieces together. The guy basically said that, based on protocol ALONE, there had to have been an active order from the top not to take action, because standing orders would have had our guys in there.

Animator Girl on October 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM

The debates are over. It’s time for a STRONG AD from Romney on this. Explain exactly what happened here, that these American men were left to die, were denied help, that Zero went and tucked his cowardly, cold ass into bed and slept like a baby after watching these men die or dying. Put it in an ad, run it in every swing state in the country. THAT will make the media cover this shit. It’s time.

Rational Thought on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

If Romney will not mention any of this in his today’s speech, then its a clear indication of the next 4 years. All it will take is roughly 5 minutes to lay out the details we all know now, which should be enough to get more people aware and thinking. And news media can’t cut him off in mid speech.

We’ll see how the next 4 years look like.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Just heard a caller on Rush claiming to be former Lt. Col. Special Ops describing very detailed procedures that would have been implemented in this emergency at the compound. He sounded legitimate, and said there is no way that POTUS would not have been informed, using inside channels, of exactly what was going on.

This is going to get even uglier, if that’s possible.

2ndMAW68 on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

He also said there’s no question that the meeting at 5 pm on 9/11 between Panetta and Obama was to seek POTUS approval of sending in help and it was obviously denied.

The guy was very specific and believable. What he was talking about is known to so many people there’s no way there won’t be leaks and whistle blowers before this is over. It’s going to be impossible for the LSM to ignore this report today.

TXUS on October 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM

The MSM has to take this seriously now, right?

I understand Romney’s strategy at the 3rd debate and I don’t fault him. Prevent D and his team had already messed up when prepping him on Benghazi. And it sort of worked. He’s now slightly ahead of the con artist in chief. But it’s clear, now, doing the right thing would have been preferable.

Imagine if Romney had just done the right thing and re-prepped and asked Obama the tough questions. Sure, Mitt would have been vilified for “making it political” but now the MSM would HAVE to cover this and Obama would not be able to escape this. But now the MSM can ignore this because the top Rs ignored it so…

Today it makes total sense why Team Evil pushed the video excuse so hard but if no one is paying attention…

I hope I’m wrong. I hope I eat crow while O,Hill and the rest are tarred and feathered.

BoxHead1 on October 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM

The guy basically said that, based on protocol ALONE, there had to have been an active order from the top not to take action, because standing orders would have had our guys in there.

Animator Girl on October 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM

BOOM!

Turtle317 on October 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Considering Obama’s long indecision on getting Bin Laden he probably couldn’t take the pressure and went to bed.

Sven on October 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Impeachment? VOTE HIM OUT in 10 days. For God’s sake, just remove him asap, and THEN prosecute as necessary.

WashingtonsWake on October 26, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Just remember that Obama propped their caskets up next to him so he could give a speech.

faraway on October 26, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Please remind me what has Issa done in the past 2 years with all the bravado pre- and post 2010 elections. List names and prison terms for all the “investigations” he has led.

Same as Seinfeld, its a show about nothing.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

He is part of the investigative body, not the one who passes judgement and deliver sanctions and/or punishment. He did his job, other have to pick up from there, and they don’t (the judiciary, etc, etc).

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Considering Obama’s long indecision on getting Bin Laden he probably couldn’t take the pressure and went to bed.

Sven on October 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM

You’re seeing it wrong, IMO. It wasn’t his “indecision”, HIS decision has been clear since he took office. He simply could not say “No!” any more, same as Clenis in his day. They both were FINALLY overriden by staff consensus. Same as with Clenis, eventually someone would say that the resident did not want to kill OBL, so the “decision” was finally given.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Yes, Petraeus would not have made the “stand down” decision. That had to come from the top. No cabinet secretary or DCI would dare do that on his own.

Yes.
The Bringer of Light Himself.

spiritof61 on October 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Speaking of which, have you noticed that UE’s fellow space traveler uppereastside has been totally AWOL lately? He’d accuse O’bamna of being a War Criminal over this if O’bamna was a (R)…
 
Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

 
I think this was his last thread.

rogerb on October 26, 2012 at 2:04 PM

chemman on October 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I know there are officers like that…

But I need to think that ‘watching Americans die’ is a bridge too far, even for their careers.

Washington Nearsider on October 26, 2012 at 2:04 PM

don’t know who VorDaj is but when you consider the path Major Nadal Hassan took to arrive at Ft. Hood he makes more sense than not.

DanMan on October 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You guys let me know if as Republicans you’re going to throw the military under the bus for political points like liberals do. I’m not that seasoned in politics as to owe an affiliation to anyone.

Unless you agree with that old nut that the entire Pentagon is pushing an Islamic agenda?

And riddick. Betrayus? You’re worse than the liberals.

smoothsailing on October 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM

There must be a lot of people in a lot of agencies who are sick at how our people were abandoned. They wont, can’t remain silent. This will all come out, is all coming out.

Rancher on October 26, 2012 at 2:06 PM

He is part of the investigative body, not the one who passes judgement and deliver sanctions and/or punishment. He did his job, other have to pick up from there, and they don’t (the judiciary, etc, etc).

jimver on October 26, 2012 at 2:02 PM

You mean when Issa’s team cleared Maxine Waters of any wrong doing? When her husband’s bank benefited from federal dollars she was in charge of passing out? Just one example.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Ambassador Stevens, his staff, CIA operatives and those Ex-Navy Seals were betrayed at every possible level by the Obama Administration from the day the security team was called back to Washington to the refusal to send help requested by CIA while the fight raged for 7 hours.

This administration has lied to the American People.

workingclass artist on October 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Less than 300 hours to go. Still undecided? Say the word “Benghazi” then press the screen.

spiritof61 on October 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Good Lord. Listen to yourself.
Stand Down is stand down.
No “defense”, no ” best use of forces”
Stand down is surrender. Especially when no help is forthcoming.

Jabberwock on October 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

.
I am going to give you the benfit of the doubt on not understanding the context of the order on this one.

“Stand down” is not surrender. It is a command given by a military superior to someone under their command who has proposed or is initiating a course of action which the superior has determined should not be executed.

I gave you a rationalization of the “Stand down” decision prefaced with this statement:

I can rationalize the “STAND DOWN” order …. but that does not mean I agree with it.

.
Since you chose to ignore that statement and not quote anything else from my comment, I won’t give you any additional benefit of the doubt …

… you are an internet commando who will never let ignorance or the knowledge of others deter him from leaping to whatever consclusions he wishes to make.

PolAgnostic on October 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM

And riddick. Betrayus? You’re worse than the liberals.

smoothsailing on October 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Oh, I am so upset… Not.

Another communist drone on HA? Its like they take turns, one takes a break and another pops in.

riddick on October 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

You know who else is watching all this stuff?

The bad guys. And you know what they’re learning?

Obama won’t defend his own people.

BobMbx on October 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Speaking of which, have you noticed that UE’s fellow space traveler uppereastside has been totally AWOL lately? He’d accuse O’bamna of being a War Criminal over this if O’bamna was a (R)…

Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I think this was his last thread.

rogerb on October 26, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Wow, that long ago?

Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM

This whole fiasco should not surprise anybody that pays attention to who and what the Dem Party has become. The party of death. Everyone likes to bring up the numbers that Stalin, Mao, and other socialist/communist regimes have killed. Well, look at the abortion numbers that have piled up, look at the numbers of our military that have not only been killed but the thousands of ruined families and lives of ruined vets. What are 4 more lives in the battle to socialist control. Wherever these people attempt to gain control or have control, you will find piles of bodies, or merely”bumps in the road”.. All part of the big picture to ally with the” Muslim Hood” to control the Mideast and North Africa to further political aims. I feel sick to my stomach watching this bunch as well as how higher echelons of the military have been complicit in this treasonous activity.

retiredeagle on October 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM

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