Paul Ryan: “In this war on poverty, poverty’s winning”

posted at 5:21 pm on October 24, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

This right here is one of the biggest reasons that Paul Ryan would make such a good vice president — his ability to succinctly and effectively communicate major truths about the universally-enriching mechanisms of free enterprise is a huge selling point with me. As much as I’m sure we all — ahem — enjoy the episodes frequently supplied by the current gentleman occupying that esteemed office, the vice presidency could use a new tone based a little less on outrageous outrage and a little more on economic reality.

At a campaign rally today in battleground-state Ohio, Ryan made a compelling case for freedom and prosperity as the antidotes to poverty in and of themselves, via The Hill:

“Upward mobility is the central promise of life in America. But right now, the engines of upward mobility are not running as they should,” the Wisconsin congressman said, speaking at Cleveland State University in Cleveland, Ohio. “In this war on poverty, poverty’s winning.” …

Ryan, in his speech, rejected the idea that Mitt Romney does not have a plan to save entitlement programs, specifically naming Medicare and food stamps. He also directly confronted Obama’s criticism that he and Romney care more about millionaires and billionaires than the middle class or poor people, calling it a “straw man” argument to say that their position is “every man should fend for themselves.”

“The truth is, Mitt Romney and I believe in upward mobility,” he said. “There has to be a balance, allowing government to act for the private good while leaving private groups free to do the work that only they can do. There’s a vast common ground between the government and the individual.”

But over the past five decades, government has spent more money on a “centralized, top-down approach” that by the 1970s created a “debilitating culture of dependency,” Ryan said.

That was… textbook. President Obama has often tried to commandeer the term “top-down” approach to suit his own populist, political agenda, but here, Paul Ryan ventures to use the intellectually-honest version of the term. Big-government (i.e., normally Democratic) principles too often come paired with unintended consequences that end up generating or worsening the very things they were [ostensibly] meant to avoid. Impose a hugely intrusive, regulatory crackdown aimed at the eeeevil financial sector? Ensure too-big-to-fail. Try to force your pet green-energy projects upon the masses and create green jobs? Divert valuable resources and destroy productive jobs. Orchestrate an overhaul of the health care industry? Make it more costly for everyone. You get the idea.

Few things have actually combated poverty so ineffectively as the principles enacted in the name of the “war on poverty.” Prosperity is the only large-scale, penetrating solution that addresses the root of the problem, and under President Obama, both the poverty rate and entitlement participation have swelled. More Democratic, centralized policies will not save us from this mess, nor help push people into the middle class. Paul Ryan just gets it — and it feels so good.


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Romney’s first big decision…it was a good one.

txmomof6 on October 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Trillions spent in the democrat war on poverty.

Think about it.

tom daschle concerned on October 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

The contrast between the two VP candidates is striking, isn’t it.

dirtseller on October 24, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Take the trillion spent each year on poverty and just divide it up and give it to those who are poor.

UnderstandingisPower on October 24, 2012 at 5:28 PM

“That was… textbook.”

(stands… raises glass high… and in a roaring voice…)

“TO PAUL…!!!”

*clinky!*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Trust me. We’d love to run against Ryan. Proof that Republicans hate the middle class.

urban elitist on July 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM

rogerb on October 24, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Every time I see Ryan I see Biden cackling like psycho…nightmares…

albill on October 24, 2012 at 5:33 PM

the Wisconsin congressman said, speaking at Cleveland State University in Cleveland, Ohio. “

That’s quite a statement in from the belly of the beast–Cleveland is the most left-leaning part of Ohio. If Ryan can cut the losses in Cleveland, a high turnout in the red parts of the state, and a strong, positive message to the coal miners in the southeast could turn Ohio red.

Steve Z on October 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Perfect Opportunity to put this up…………MUST WATCH!

*The Rich get Poorer,the Poor get Poorer*
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Thomas Peterffy – Freedom To Succeed
VIDEO:(1:01)

Published on Oct 10, 2012 by Thomas Peterffy
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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Paul Ryan just gets it — and it feels so good.

What’s going to feel good is waking up on Nov 7 knowing it will be Vice President Paul Ryan. Until then, I’m holding my breath that it happens.

behiker on October 24, 2012 at 5:37 PM

“TO PAUL…!!!”

*clinky!*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

*************** SALUTEY ***************************

**Le Clinky*—–:)

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Do we have pictures from this rally? How many attended?

UnderstandingisPower on October 24, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Does Ryan have a speech writer? Coach? I love him, dont get me wrong, but he is a numbers cruncher. He knows numbers inside and out and hes dead on! But, I worry that he might sometimes get over peoples head??

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Ryan, in his speech, rejected the idea that Mitt Romney does not have a plan to save entitlement programs, specifically naming Medicare and food stamps.

Entitlement programs? Save food stamps and handouts?

Government cheese for everyone is the New Conservatism™.

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Save

food stamps

JOBS

There, that one is fixed.

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 5:45 PM

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Ryan is right. We need a better fix than the Dem one of throwing more money to ‘solve’ a problem like has been done since LBJ.

Under Obama, the poor have almost become a staple of government.

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 5:46 PM

The reason the war on poverty has not worked is that Republicans have prevented it from being implemented properly. If they would just get out of the way, and if the rich would contribute just a few trillion more, everybody would be equal. Except the politicians, they have to maintain a certain lifestyle, you see. It would be uncivilized to be governed by a man of meager means.

tdarrington on October 24, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Trust me. We’d love to run against Ryan. Proof that Republicans hate the middle class.

urban elitist on July 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM

rogerb on October 24, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Sounds like libs early on October 3rd:
“Trust me – there’s one contender and there’s one pretender in this race. At the end of tonight’s debate it’s going to be obvious which is which.”

Marcola on October 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Yet Ryan and Romney will keep feeding those policies that

Few things have actually combated poverty so ineffectively as the principles enacted in the name of the “war on poverty.”

Ryan, in his speech, rejected the idea that Mitt Romney does not have a plan to save entitlement programs, specifically naming Medicare and food stamps.

Doubling down on stupid, That is textbook

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Do we have pictures from this rally? How many attended?

UnderstandingisPower on October 24, 2012 at 5:38 PM

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:48 PM

*************** SALUTEY ***************************

**Le Clinky*—–:)

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:37 PM

:)

Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Romney’s first big decision…it was a good one.

txmomof6 on October 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

And for his next act, he needs to make John Bolton Secretary of State.

I have a major man-crush on The Stache.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM

In another thread I was said to be a ‘You are a disgusting bald faced liar.‘ because I said Mitt was for the poor.

You can help the poor and get those out of poverty by seeing to it they have jobs, have a family unit, and if need be have the government help those who CAN not help themselves if medical issues prevent them from doing so. We in the US are the most caring, helpful, giving bunch of humans on the planet!

But, those who take advantage of our wonderful giving has seen to it more and more get ‘free stuff’ to keep those depending on big bro. That is not the way the US wants or needs, IMO!

I have to say, Paul and Mitt are the best thing we have seen in decades to help our Republic! But if they don’t pan out, we can vote them out as we are doing to bho/joe!
L

letget on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

This right here is one of the biggest reasons that Paul Ryan would make such a good vice president — his ability to succinctly and effectively communicate major truths about the universally-enriching mechanisms of free enterprise is a huge selling point with me.

Voted for TARP, Medicare Part D (the largest entitlement expansion in god knows when), raising the debt ceiling, the bailouts, confiscating CEO bonuses, etc.

Yeah, he’s a paragon of free enterprise.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Doubling down on stupid, That is textbook

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Doesn’t make sense, does it?

Oh well, you play the hand you’re dealt. These guys will still be way, way, better than a second 0bama term.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Something you and me agree on. I like that.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

tdarrington on October 24, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I just had a visual of fancy nancy and scarry reid panhandling on a street corner! Made me smile:)

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Oh well, you play the hand you’re dealt. These guys will still be way, way, better than a second 0bama term.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

More angry at Hot Air than Ryan and Romney really. This used to be a MOVEMENT CONSERVATIVE site, now is nothing more than another Republican power hungry feed the government more power so long as Republicans are in charge rag.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM

And for his next act, he needs to make John Bolton Secretary of State.

I have a major man-crush on The Stache.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I second that! And Saracuda over the EPA! hehehehe

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 5:55 PM

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM

…thanks buddy!

KOOLAID2 on October 24, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Speaking of Team R@R!

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:58 PM

This used to be a MOVEMENT CONSERVATIVE site, now is nothing more than another Republican power hungry feed the government more power so long as Republicans are in charge rag.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM

You must be referring to the commenters more than the people writing for this blog. To their credit, Ed and most of the other writers seem to be pretty solidly conservative. A lot of the commenters are just capital-R Republicans ™

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Impose a hugely intrusive, regulatory crackdown aimed at the eeeevil financial sector? Ensure too-big-to-fail.

How absurd to suggest that the financial sector is ‘evil’ or has internalized a culture of corruption. Zero evidence of that! Those stupid regulators- let’s reopen the casinos and let Wall Street resume high stakes gambling with government-insured deposits.
Libor? Nothing to see there. Nothing evil when it’s business as usual.

As Sheila Bair (the Republican) has pointed out, Dodd Frank gives regulators the power to break up the too big to fail banks. And it’s far, far better than nothing.
http://www.advisorone.com/2012/02/02/dodd-frank-imperfect-but-were-still-better-off-bec

bayam on October 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM

I second that! And Saracuda over the EPA! hehehehe

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 5:55 PM

That would be so sweet. But probably too “anti-establishment” for Romney. We’ll see.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Wow… The trolls are out in force today. They have been jumping all over the posts today.

ptcamn on October 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Romney’s first big decision…it was a good one.

txmomof6 on October 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM

And for his next act, he needs to make John Bolton Secretary of State.

I have a major man-crush on The Stache.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I’m good with that!! :)

the Wisconsin congressman said, speaking at Cleveland State University in Cleveland, Ohio. “

That’s quite a statement in from the belly of the beast–Cleveland is the most left-leaning part of Ohio. If Ryan can cut the losses in Cleveland, a high turnout in the red parts of the state, and a strong, positive message to the coal miners in the southeast could turn Ohio red.

Steve Z on October 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I think he is making a very strong appeal to the Catholics in Ohio and elsewhere who are primarily social justice Catholics rather than pro-life Catholics, i.e. Reagan Democrats. The Catholic vote in Ohio has historically been decisive on the outcome of the election in the state.

txmomof6 on October 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM

“Oh, so now you’re poor, huh?!” ~Joe Binder

Christien on October 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Voted for TARP, Medicare Part D (the largest entitlement expansion in god knows when), raising the debt ceiling, the bailouts, confiscating CEO bonuses, etc.

Yeah, he’s a paragon of free enterprise.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And if he voted against any of it, you’d be here saying instead he’s just another heartless Republican jonesing for chance to throw Grandma off a cliff.

Who do you think you’re kidding?

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM

You must be referring to the commenters more than the people writing for this blog. To their credit, Ed and most of the other writers seem to be pretty solidly conservative. A lot of the commenters are just capital-R Republicans ™

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Maybe

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel decides not to endorse in presidential and Senate races

Now that is interesting. They endorsed Obama in 2008, but now I guess they realize Obama has been so awful as President that it would be folly to endorse him, but they can’t bear to endorse Republicans even with Ryan on the ticket.

INC on October 24, 2012 at 6:03 PM

That was… textbook.

YES.

Textbook Jeffersonian

Opposite Day on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

If we could recover all the money the liberals spent on ‘the war on poverty’, we’d really have a good handle on our national debt. AND the Social Security would actually be solvent.

GarandFan on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Voted for TARP, Medicare Part D (the largest entitlement expansion in god knows when), raising the debt ceiling, the bailouts, confiscating CEO bonuses, etc.
Yeah, he’s a paragon of free enterprise.
Dante on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And if he voted against any of it, you’d be here saying instead he’s just another heartless Republican jonesing for chance to throw Grandma off a cliff.
Who do you think you’re kidding?
Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Doesn’t make his point any less valid.

rjl1999 on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

And if he voted against any of it, you’d be here saying instead he’s just another heartless Republican jonesing for chance to throw Grandma off a cliff.

Who do you think you’re kidding?

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Dante does not believe in any government. Less is always better with him.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Awesome.

gophergirl on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Paul Ryan still won’t admit if he’s planning on pushing through his own medicare plan or Romneysmedicare plan. Who are the American people going to trust? Obama has been rock solid on Medicare – going so far as to point out that it’s a fine program only in need of a few painless tweaks. Romney and Ryan are riding around on a bus telling people it’s broken and needs to be phased out.

This is why I’ve referred to Paul Ryan in the past as “The ultimate toolbox”.

akaniku on October 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Silly purist.
Who would your preference be..leaving out stoners, drug legalization purists and the “hey!..whats wrong with w hores?” crowd?

On second thought..go ahead and includes those regimes.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Romney and Ryan are riding around on a bus telling people it’s broken and needs to be phased out.

This is why I’ve referred to Paul Ryan in the past as “The ultimate toolbox”.

akaniku on October 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM

And my campaign has made it very clear: the President’s cuts of $716 billion to Medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if I become President and Paul Ryan becomes Vice President. – Mitt Romney

Obama cut Medicare and Romney is promising to restore those cuts.
The whole thing is a dogs breakfast.

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Doesn’t make his point any less valid.

rjl1999 on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

And that point is what…”only the pure…only the pure”?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Dante does not believe in any government. Less is always better with him.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Then why does he always side against those who want to shrink the damned thing?

Oh, wait; I know!

Anarchists are always on the side of the Left.

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Obama has been rock solid on Medicare akaniku on October 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Yeah, hes so rock solid he robbed it of 716 mil to fund Obamacare.

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

******************* VIDEO ************************

VIDEO:(27:07)

Paul Ryan on Poverty and the Economy
Oct 24, 2012
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Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (WI) outlined at a campaign event at Cleveland State University what a Romney-Ryan administration would do to improve the economy and decrease poverty. Some of the proposals included repealing portions of the health care law, education reforms, and restoring parts of the 1996 welfare reform act that he said had been weakened since the mid-1990s. He said a Romney administration would work more closely with local leaders to determine how to assist people in need, explaining that communities, rather than the government, should look after the poor.
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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/309027-1

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Pardon.. 716 BILLION (my bad)

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Contrast SloJoe’s speech in Marion, OH today, when he thought he was in IA. He is a gaffe machine with a body.

bayview on October 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Prosperity is the only large-scale, penetrating solution that addresses the root of the problem, and under President Obama, both the poverty rate and entitlement participation have swelled. More Democratic, centralized policies will not save us from this mess, nor help push people into the middle class. Paul Ryan just gets it — and it feels so good.

No one is proposing more centralized policies- the growth in food stamps is a consequence of increased poverty after the near collapse of the US financial system, not a driver of poverty.

Orchestrate an overhaul of the health care industry? Make it more costly for everyone.

You might try reading a book about worldwide healthcare systems and reform options. The USA cannot remain competitive as a manufacturing power under the current cost structure. Not every important policy can be reduced to a predictable and obvious ‘go free enterprise’ sound bite. Long term, Obama’s policies will reduce the cost of health care.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/09/is-nationalized-health-care-inevitable/

bayam on October 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Ryan and Romney are not on the side of smaller government. They are on the side of huge massive government. They figure they can figure out how to make the slaves work harder to produce enough to keep it huge and massive.

That is the problem with this election. They do not want a smaller government, not Obama, not Romney, not Ryan. The only difference between them is that Obama actually intends to make the USA fail financially.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

letget on October 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Absolutely. Something about teaching a man to fish verses giving him a meal comes to mind…

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Ryan and Romney are not on the side of smaller government. They are on the side of huge massive government. They figure they can figure out how to make the slaves work harder to produce enough to keep it huge and massive.

That is the problem with this election. They do not want a smaller government, not Obama, not Romney, not Ryan. The only difference between them is that Obama actually intends to make the USA fail financially.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

What are you basing those claims on?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

The only difference between them is that Obama actually intends to make the USA fail financially.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I’ll take that difference, compared to another obama 4 year run.

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Which is more damaging to the US long term.

Big Government Republicans.

Or

Big Government Liberals.

Or Progressives.

Hmmm?

Bmore on October 24, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Absolutely. Something about teaching a man to fish verses giving him a meal comes to mind…

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Amen

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:20 PM

What are you basing those claims on?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Their respective voting history of what they supported, voted for, and pushed in the way of legislation?

Shouldn’t they all be judged on their past behavior rather than politically expedient rhetoric?

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:21 PM

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:21 PM

bayam on October 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

It seems to me that we have only become uncompetitive when we adopted larger government as a crutch instead of encouraging the entrepreneurial spirit that drives those disadvantaged to dig their way out and stand for themselves. We also undermined their support by taking from those that could afford to help others, to build a larger monument to bureaucratic inefficiency so that some can feel good about not giving instead of giving.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Which is more damaging to the US long term.

Big Government Republicans.

Or

Big Government Liberals.

Or Progressives.

Hmmm?

Bmore on October 24, 2012 at 6:20 PM

And how can you spot the difference?

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:22 PM

What are you basing those claims on?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

A willing suspension of disbelief… maybe?

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:22 PM

What are you basing those claims on?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Welfare will be saved for future generations. You cannot keep those and have small government. Medicare loses about 30% of every dollar it spends to fraud waste and abuse.

Romney likes the welfare state (safety net) it allows him to not think about the poor. He likes regulations, and pretty much every single aspect of government. he would just tweak things around the edges in order to make it produce more wealth to pay for the massive government.

Almost all of his debt reduction is going to come from 5% GDP growth rate, year over year for 12 years. Dream on.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:23 PM

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM

…thanks buddy!

KOOLAID2 on October 24, 2012 at 5:57 PM

KOOLAID2:-0

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Their respective voting history of what they supported, voted for, and pushed in the way of legislation?

Shouldn’t they all be judged on their past behavior rather than politically expedient rhetoric?

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:21 PM

You may be experiencing focus bias.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I’ll take that difference, compared to another obama 4 year run.

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Yeah, the difference being you will take it like a sheep fed to slaughter rather than a lion defending its young. I will vote for the turd as well. But I sure as hell am not going to doing it singing and dancing as if the turd is really a diamond. They just simply are not conservative and I am not willing to pretend they are.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Ryan and Romney are not on the side of smaller government. They are on the side of huge massive government. They figure they can figure out how to make the slaves work harder to produce enough to keep it huge and massive.

That is the problem with this election. They do not want a smaller government, not Obama, not Romney, not Ryan. The only difference between them is that Obama actually intends to make the USA fail financially.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

And who is, except hard-core Constructionists like me? I get the point.

But it took us a long time to get where we are today. As the country stands, we can’t just cut off everything in one fell swoop. I believe it needs to be dismantled, yes. But the dismantling is going to take time–another generation, maybe, if not more.

We’re stuck. But we need realists at long last, preferably statesmen. And the reality is that the current system needs dismantling, not outright destruction.

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM

You may be experiencing focus bias.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Then you can point me to where they actually cut government right?

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Obama has been rock solid on Medicare

akaniku on October 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM

About as rock solid as your skull.

bayview on October 24, 2012 at 6:28 PM

how bad is the Romney campaign when the failures Obama and Biden are EVEN CLOSE in the latest round of polls?

So much for the “rope-a-dope” strategy that Mitt tried in the debate.

Now Mr. “After the election I’ll have more flexibility” is leading in Ohio???

Mitt should have shown some FIRE in the debates……..lost opportunity.

PappyD61 on October 24, 2012 at 6:28 PM

And if he voted against any of it, you’d be here saying instead he’s just another heartless Republican jonesing for chance to throw Grandma off a cliff.

Who do you think you’re kidding?

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM

You aren’t particularly bright.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Welfare will be saved for future generations. You cannot keep those and have small government. Medicare loses about 30% of every dollar it spends to fraud waste and abuse.

Romney likes the welfare state (safety net) it allows him to not think about the poor. He likes regulations, and pretty much every single aspect of government. he would just tweak things around the edges in order to make it produce more wealth to pay for the massive government.

Almost all of his debt reduction is going to come from 5% GDP growth rate, year over year for 12 years. Dream on.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Depends on the definitions, doesn’t it?

“Welfare” can exist in a means tested form based on objective standards and not victim mentality claims, etc. A safety net and not a hammock.

What are you basing your claims of knowing what Romney ‘likes’ or what his decisions will be as the system shifts to real world economic solutions?
Are you using majical powers or divining tea leaves?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Long term, Obama’s policies will reduce the cost of health care.

bayam on October 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Bullshit. I work for a healthcare company that specializes in helping self-funded employers save money while providing better service to their employees by coordinating healthcare services.

Our owner was a lawyer in the healthcare industry for decades before starting this company several years ago. She created her company after doing research for hospitals in finding cost/care gaps in the system. She is also the only one I personally know who has read and UNDERSTOOD the Obamacare law.

The biggest problem with Obamacare lies buried within its layers of taxes. One tax in particular is especially bad… the excise tax, paid by employers whose plans exceed a certain dollar amount… because of how that tax is indexed. Since it is indexed to a slower rate than standard healthcare costs, this “luxury” tax will hit every employer within a decade. Her prediction… nearly every business with under 500 employees will drop their healthcare coverage within ten years. Tens of millions will lose their coverage over the next ten years.

Obamacare MUST be overturned.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM

I’m just making my voice heard. I am voting for Romney. I just get tired of people so falsely arguing they are conservative.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

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canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

More ridiculousness. Upward mobility is NOT the central promise of life in america.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Obamacare MUST be overturned.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

There may be some disappointment on that score in your future.

So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good. – Mitt Romney on Obamacare

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:34 PM

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:23 PM

I think you’re being a little disingenuous. Romney has stated he favors voluntary options for those who are younger. I would like to see those options.

Personally, I’d like the option to opt out completely from Social Security and Medicare, and put those tax amounts directly into 401K and uncapped HSA accounts. At least then, I would be providing for my own future, and those amounts would remain mine, and gain interest over time.

What I can’t figure out is why liberals don’t even want me to have the option.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:35 PM

You aren’t particularly bright.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:28 PM

That makes two of us then, because your sham is easy to see. You’re the type who hits using both sides of an argument against your opponent, out for the ‘win’. “Yeaaaaa, Obama!”

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Obamacare MUST be overturned.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Obamacare is never going to be overturned.

The states can invoke their right of nullification and simply say that they do not recognize the law as Constituitonal and that they will not follow it nor implement it.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:36 PM

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Sheep fed to slaughter? Is that the “conservative” version of “vote with yer lady parts?
You should relax.

mike_NC9 on October 24, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Yet Ryan and Romney will keep feeding those policies that

Few things have actually combated poverty so ineffectively as the principles enacted in the name of the “war on poverty.”

Ryan, in his speech, rejected the idea that Mitt Romney does not have a plan to save entitlement programs, specifically naming Medicare and food stamps.

Doubling down on stupid, That is textbook

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

There is a difference between “having a plan to save entitlement programs”, a pretty broad statement in itself, and keep expanding them. If you think that you will be able to remove entitlements after several generations receiving goodies for free with less education about how everything works, then you are not living in the real world. Look around at half of the country freaking out at just the idea of a “voucher” system in order to begin a phase out of Medicare.

It took a couple of generations and many years to get to this point, and thus, for as disgusted as you might be, it is going to take a long time to undo all of this. It is sad but not everyone will understand right away how entitlements work, who pays for them, and what they are doing to the country. This is not a case of pulling the band aid out quickly, and unless you start somewhere, even if it means you need to continue having certain entitlements around, you will never get to the goal of reducing them altogether.

I wonder, who are you planning on voting for?

ptcamn on October 24, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Then you can point me to where they actually cut government right?

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM

They have pointed out many areas…maybe you’re not focusing on them for some reason.

Cut EPA..regulation and by default, the agencies and personnel that staff them..restriction on small business start ups..and by default the agencies and personnel that staff them..same with the more nuts government parasites of “diversity offices”..Obamacare.. “green energy” boondoggles and forced taxpayer “investments” etc.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM

There may be some disappointment on that score in your future.

So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good. – Mitt Romney on Obamacare

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I know that, but its a gamble I’m willing to take. Like I explained to a Libertarian friend of mine… there is no such thing as a perfect President. At all times, we the people must guard ourselves from overreaching government. Whether Obama is in charge, or Romney, we will still have to put pressure on Congress to reflect our will. Just because we may have a Republican President does not mean that we can sit back and let him and Congress run on auto-pilot… that’s what got us into this mess over the last 100 years.

And I stand by my final statement to my Libertarian friend… I will continue to put pressure on Congress for a full repeal of Obamacare first. If that does not happen, then I will work to my fullest to primary every Republican official that stood in the way and if necessary support a third party in 2016.

dominigan on October 24, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Depends on the definitions, doesn’t it?

“Welfare” can exist in a means tested form based on objective standards and not victim mentality claims, etc. A safety net and not a hammock.

What are you basing your claims of knowing what Romney ‘likes’ or what his decisions will be as the system shifts to real world economic solutions?
Are you using majical powers or divining tea leaves?

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I base my statements on Romney’s statements. What he does in the future is most likely to be seen in what he did in the past.

As for welfare existing, it could. It cannot exist the way you see it as a federal program. Even states show that they cannot control welfare because the distance between the payers and the spenders are too far removed from one another for there to be accountability.

Chain of Responsibility.
Self, Immediate Family, Extended Family, Friends and community charity, local government, state government and federal government.

Anything being handed out to individuals should not be coming from anything at any of the government levels. It allows what we have today, people who vote for politicians who offer them more of someone else’ wealth creation.

100% of people can be cared for in those sub government levels. Allowing government replace any of those in the chain of responsibility works to destroy society. People make fewer friends, do less to help the community, are less charitable, families get further and further estranged from one another, and in fact many families never get created because of it.

Children have been insurance for people since the beginning of time, but not anymore. We can steal the wealth of other people’s children to take their place. Keeping this system in place will leave America less prosperous for the rest of their existence. Fewer babies, poorer educations, fewer intact homes, more foreign imports like Europe is doing to do the work we do not have the bodies born here to do.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:40 PM

I’m just making my voice heard. I am voting for Romney. I just get tired of people so falsely arguing they are conservative.

astonerii on October 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I’m a Constructionist–about as conservative as any type of the breed can get. If the Left ever dared read the Constitution, and peruse The Federalist even in passing, they would find we are more free under it than according to the crap they believe.

Liam on October 24, 2012 at 6:40 PM

They have pointed out many areas…maybe you’re not focusing on them for some reason.

Cut EPA..regulation and by default, the agencies and personnel that staff them..restriction on small business start ups..and by default the agencies and personnel that staff them..same with the more nuts government parasites of “diversity offices”..Obamacare.. “green energy” boondoggles and forced taxpayer “investments” etc.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM

In other words, they talk about it, but they don’t do it, and a simple look at their votes show it.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Hmmmm, this Erika Johnson guy can write pretty good.

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Romney’s first big decision…it was a good one.
txmomof6 on October 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM
And for his next act, he needs to make John Bolton Secretary of State.
I have a major man-crush on The Stache.
UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Now you’re talkiing, Bob. ( Except for that man crush thing)

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2012 at 6:45 PM

ObamaCare and our future is on the ballot on November 6th.

…….and a bucketload of Freebies.

Well find out soon if America loves the teat more than liberty.

PappyD61 on October 24, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I wonder, who are you planning on voting for?

ptcamn on October 24, 2012 at 6:37 PM

He’s voting for Romney but he’s going to b!tch about it the whole time.

thebrokenrattle on October 24, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Erika, Biden is a lot of things, but “gentleman” is not one of them.

woodNfish on October 24, 2012 at 6:46 PM

They have pointed out many areas…maybe you’re not focusing on them for some reason.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Politically expedient rhetoric doesn’t impress me.

Obama is a big government liberal at best, a flat out socialist is probably a more accurate description.

Romney is a big government liberal and his history proves that.

Ryan voted for No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, the auto bailout, Davis-Bacon wage controls, the increased debt ceiling and more.

There aren’t any conservatives in the mix and if Obama says he will cut government I don’t believe him, nor do I believe Romney or Ryan, because none of these three men have a history to back up the empty words they spout.

sharrukin on October 24, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Silly purist.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM

It’s not complicated, but you have to have principles first.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 6:47 PM

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