New George Allen ad: These defense cuts are bad news, Virginia

posted at 12:41 pm on October 24, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

With the partisan rundown of the next U.S. Senate still very much to be determined, there are several very tight races in the mix, one of the tightest being the contest between former Congressman and Virginia Governor George Allen (Republican) and also-former Virginia Governor Tim Kaine (Democrat). The latest RCP average has Kaine with just a one-point edge over Allen, and meanwhile, Romney’s gained some serious ground and caught up to President Obama for a virtual tie in the commonwealth — Virginia is shaping up to be one of the more clutch factors in what our federal government will look like come 2013.

In that light, seems like a pretty smart move for Gov. Allen to emphasize an issue that’s both state-specific and nationally significant, and if there’s one common issue to which the extra-swingy Northern Virginians can all relate, it’s the upcoming defense cuts. The upper counties are chock-full of bureaucrats and defense workers, so the defense cuts really hit home with this crowd. During Monday night’s foreign-policy debate, one of President Obama’s more popular moments was when he bizarrely claimed to be certain that the sequestration won’t actually be happening (how he knows this, when nobody else seems to, remains unclear), underscoring the political weight the issue holds.

Decisions in Washington ripple through our communities, harming small businesses like this one. The defense cuts Tim Kaine supported are threatening over 200,000 Virginia jobs. His solution is to raise taxes. That’s not the answer, that would cost us even more jobs. My plan would stop the defense cuts by growing our economy, using our energy resources, and creating jobs.

In addition to the damage from the defense cuts, Virginia also stands to gain quite a bit economically from a President Romney energy strategy, especially with its offshore drilling potential. Given that a vote for Allen could very well squeeze through the Republican-majority Senate that would make a Romney administration more effective, I think this ad hits all the right points it can in 30 seconds — particularly as a counter to some of the war-on-women themed appeals to the young-professional, “I’m-so-independent” transplants also populating NoVa that I’ve been hearing lately from the Kaine camp.


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Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

gsherin on October 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Obama lied through his bright teeth on sequestration in the 3rd debate.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Good ad, keep hammering on energy also.

Rebar on October 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

if there’s one common issue to which the extra-swingy Northern Virginians can all relate, it’s the upcoming defense cuts. The upper counties are chock-full of bureaucrats and defense workers, so the defense cuts really hit home with this crowd.

There is also a not-insignificant Naval base at Norfolk. Lots of bureaucrats and defense workers attached there as well.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Don’t forget the long list of coal mines that have been closed for good in the south western part of the state. And the list is only a microcosm of what’s to come with 4 more years of the Obama Energy Policy.

preallocated on October 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Here is how a deep budget cut works

Defense Budget = $700 billion – big cut of $50 billion = Unsustainable $650 billion + uh add in 8% baseline increase = new budget of $702 billion… see budget cuts aren’t really cuts at all.

Dasher on October 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

gsherin on October 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Because they think – not without reason – that Romney’s going to do the old tactic of running as a Republican and ruling like a Democrat.

Only time will tell.

MelonCollie on October 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If he wants to hammer this point, he ought to cut some soundbites from the last Obama-Romney debate. I’m sure comparing Navy ships to horses and bayonets will go over real well in Norfolk.

Red Cloud on October 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM

You know, as long as we’re hitting on the defense budget, can the PNW get some R loving? Why aren’t these commercials being cut for WA, which isn’t as safe D as people like to think? One of the largest concentrations of military forces in the country, especially Navy….

flashoverride on October 24, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Great ad. I have not given Allen any money so far, but just gave his campaign a donation.

milcus on October 24, 2012 at 12:49 PM

What is the O’Keef announcement?

Oil Can on October 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Obama lied through his bright teeth on sequestration in the 3rd debate.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Actually, he didn’t lie so much as deny that it was ever going to come to pass. Of course from other venues we know that he’s planning on making raising taxes and the end of the Bush-era tax cuts a required part of whatever Congress passes to undo sequestration. If Congress were to have the audacity to disobey then he’d veto the whole thing.

It’s brinksmanship and, frankly, a lot depends on the results of the election. If Obama wins he will declare that he has a mandate to continue the looting of America. If he loses, the Congress will pass a stop-gap piece of legislation and let the 113th Congress deal with this.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Excellent ad.

jimver on October 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Ride it George!

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

gsherin on October 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Who votes for McDonnell for Governor, Cucinelli for AG, and then votes for Kaine? A schizophrenic?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Is Northrop Grumman still dawdling around in VA?

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Here is how a deep budget cut works

Defense Budget = $700 billion – big cut of $50 billion = Unsustainable $650 billion + uh add in 8% baseline increase = new budget of $702 billion… see budget cuts aren’t really cuts at all.

Dasher on October 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Well then, if that’s the case, there wouldn’t be any concern for layoffs.

But there are. Because the one part of government getting a real axing is defense.

Bitter Clinger on October 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Obama lied through his bright teeth on sequestration in the 3rd debate.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM

But thankfully, David Plouffe came to the rescue to lie about clarify what the Prezzident said.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Speaking of jobs and party control in Washington, D.C., please take a look at this and share it far and wide.

ITguy on October 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

gsherin on October 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Who votes for McDonnell for Governor, Cucinelli for AG, and then votes for Kaine? A schizophrenic?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Of course I have the same question about Walker and the state legislature in WI and Corbett and the state legislature in PA. Who votes GOP at the state level and then turns around and supports a socialist for POTUS?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM

With the coal country in the west of VA going against Obama, the area of Southampton naval base and Newport News being hung out to dry, and now the sequester to hit NoVA military and contractors… the Democrats seem to be committing a strange form of seppuku in VA.

ajacksonian on October 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

gsherin on October 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The state punditry says that whichever Presidential candidate wins will bring their party’s Senate candidate victory. Which is why I’m hopeful for a Romney win. George Allen was unfairly defeated over faux outrage. Kaine spent his time as governor running the DNC for the rat-eared wonder to the point that he was rightfully accused of job abandonment. Plus Kaine is really really creepy looking.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Here is how a deep budget cut works

Defense Budget = $700 billion – big cut of $50 billion = Unsustainable $650 billion + uh add in 8% baseline increase = new budget of $702 billion… see budget cuts aren’t really cuts at all.

Dasher

Yes, but $700 billion + 8% baseline increase = $756 billion or a $56 billion increase rather than a $2 billion increase, so…

Knott Buyinit on October 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

With the coal country in the west of VA going against Obama, the area of Southampton naval base and Newport News being hung out to dry, and now the sequester to hit NoVA military and contractors… the Democrats seem to be committing a strange form of seppuku in VA.

ajacksonian on October 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM

They are counting on the surge in hiring by the federal government and those new hires living in N. VA. And of course the urban vote.

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Who votes for McDonnell for Governor, Cucinelli for AG, and then votes for Kaine? A schizophrenic?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

VA Governor’s race isn’t until next year so you’ll never see this particular pairing. But this Senate race has been a bit strange. Both candidates are well known in the state from their time as governor and Allen’s time in the Senate.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I’ve been liking the George Allen ads when I’ve seen them on TV. Thanks for writing a post about it Erika!

22044 on October 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I’m getting bombarded with all these democratic flyers in the mail here in Mass. They are all from Democrats, but you wouldn’t know it based on what they say. They are all about the military, jobs and balancing the budget. Who are they fooling? Ah well I guess a lot of people stupid enough to believe those things are important to them.

Wigglesworth on October 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Why aren’t these commercials being cut for WA, which isn’t as safe D as people like to think? One of the largest concentrations of military forces in the country, especially Navy….

All of whom are completely overwhelmed by the blue zombie horde in Seattle. The national GOP shouldn’t pay us the slightest bit of attention until we prove by electing at least one Republican governor or senator that we can overcome King County’s fraud and lockstep voting.

Fabozz on October 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Amazing. We are going bankrupt, and faux conservatives can’t even cut a little defense spending. You’re just as bad as liberals. There really is no difference between these two parties. One wastes money on individual welfare, while the other waste money on corporate welfare. Both love to rob us of our individual liberty, and circumvent the US Constitution. Both love to spend spend spend.

MoreLiberty on October 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Jobs is the stupid argument to make concerning the defense cuts. It accepts the leftist mantra that government creates jobs. If you defend defense spending based on jobs, you must also commit to defending other government spending in the name of jobs.

If you oppose the defense cuts, do it based on their merits rather than parroting left-wing ideas.

AngusMc on October 24, 2012 at 1:06 PM

The national GOP shouldn’t pay us the slightest bit of attention until we prove by electing at least one Republican governor or senator that we can overcome King County’s fraud and lockstep voting.

Fabozz on October 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Fraud in King County? Just because more votes are counted than there are registered voters, how can you say there’s fraud? ;0

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:07 PM

My Jewish BiL works in the Newport News Shipyard. He’ll still vote for Dear Liar.

Progressivism is a disease.

rbj on October 24, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Northern Virginia has caught Washingtonitis and should be removed from the rest of the state. It’s not Virginia anymore; it’s D.C.’s overflow parking lot.

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 24, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Obama lied through his bright teeth on sequestration in the 3rd debate.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Yep. Even Woodie has pointed that out: Bob Woodward: Obama ‘Mistaken’ on Sequester

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Well done Erika, besides what the hell kind of person votes for romney and then says to themselves,”but what we really a Democrat Senator”.

Um…lots of people around here?

I live 10 minutes over the border from Northern VA, and you really don’t understand the nature of the voters in that region. It leans (more pronouncedly now than ever before) to the Left in terms of political disposition, but primarily on cultural and social grounds. Many of those voters are still reachable by technocratic/jobs-oriented Republican candidates: hence Romney closing the gap in VA and McDonnell blowing out Creigh Deeds in 2009.

The McDonnell race is actually extremely instructive: McDonnell was going to win no matter what, but the reason he truly curb-stomped Deeds is that Northern Virginia, which otherwise would be inclined to vote for the Democrat, really reacted poorly to his cultural profile. Deeds is/was an old-school Southern Democrat in his demeanor, a good ol’ boy from SW Virginia, whereas McDonnell hails from Fairfax County and comes off like a non-threatening DC-area technocrat despite being an evangelical from Liberty U. As a result McDonnell managed to do the unthinkable in 2009: not only did he ‘keep the margin close’ in NoVA, he actually WON it by a hairsbreadth.

You appeal as a Republican to the swingy voters and moderates and soft Dems in NoVA by presenting yourself as a moderate economy-focused guy. George Allen unfortunately has a bit too much of the “Macaca”/southern accent demeanor to his bearing to make the same appeal as Romney, which is why a ticket-splitting Romney/Kaine voter is quite easy to understand around here.

Esoteric on October 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Jobs is the stupid argument to make concerning the defense cuts. It accepts the leftist mantra that government creates jobs. If you defend defense spending based on jobs, you must also commit to defending other government spending in the name of jobs.

If you oppose the defense cuts, do it based on their merits rather than parroting left-wing ideas.

AngusMc on October 24, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I think everybody recognizes that defense spending is going to be cut over the next few years. The problem with sequestration is that it is a completely arbitrary number carved out in the name of deficit reduction and not reflective of what is required for national defense. This is not how you budget for the DoD or any other government agency.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I know they won’t be paired up but the question is still valid. What kind of confused voter votes for an acknowledged conservative for VA governor and then would vote for Kaine, a guy on the complete opposite end of the ideological spectrum? Voters without principles?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Navy families are already burdened with 10 month (used to be 6 month) deployments, because we have too many missions and not enough ships. A 10 month deployment is basically a year at sea and that can happen two out of every three years.

Wish Romney could have made this point during the debate. The Navy has always done “more with less” but the Obama “administration” is just getting ridiculous.

NoDonkey on October 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

These defense cuts are bad news, Virginia

I guess we are all Keynesians now.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Too funny how you are an idiot.

Tenwheeler on October 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

My Jewish BiL works in the Newport News Shipyard. He’ll still vote for Dear Liar.

Progressivism is a disease.

rbj on October 24, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I wholeheartedly agree but it has the effect of making people feel good about themselves because they care while we conservatives are mean. So people will vote to ruin the country as long as they feel good about it.

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I guess we are all Keynesians now.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Did you see the guy in some other thread who said war is good for the economy?

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Northern Virginia has caught Washingtonitis and should be removed from the rest of the state. It’s not Virginia anymore; it’s D.C.’s overflow parking lot.

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 24, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Well, like it or not, Prince William and Loudon Counties are the swingiest in the state and could well determine who gets VA’s electoral votes.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The federal and state governments spent $1 TRILLION on various welfare programs last year alone and you want to continue to gut defense. The one actual constitutional responsibility of the federal government on which we spend a lot if money. Meanwhile NO welfare spending is constitutional and it is eating us alive.

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 1:15 PM

<blockquote>Obama lied through his bright teeth on sequestration in the 3rd debate.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM
…who knows?…maybe they’re caps !

KOOLAID2 on October 24, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Speaking of jobs and party control in Washington, D.C., please take a look at this and share it far and wide.

ITguy on October 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Nice work on that. I will share it far and wide and rub leftists’ noses in it.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM

What kind of confused voter votes for an acknowledged conservative for VA governor and then would vote for Kaine, a guy on the complete opposite end of the ideological spectrum? Voters without principles?

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Virginia politicians are not that ideologically extreme at least in the way they look to be percieved. Kaine has a pretty effective ad talking about how he worked with both GWB and BHO and ends with standing beside the popular Mark Warner touting themselves as “Virginia’s team” Where Kaine has problems is his support of the stimulus, defense cuts, and Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Just because more votes are counted than there are registered voters, how can you say there’s fraud? ;0

Ach, sorry, my mistake. I mean alleged fraud, of course. There’s lots of innocent reasons why a bag of ballots would just suddenly turn up. Heck, I tripped over one in my garage just yesterday.

Fabozz on October 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

The federal and state governments spent $1 TRILLION on various welfare programs last year alone and you want to continue to gut defense. The one actual constitutional responsibility of the federal government on which we spend a lot if money. Meanwhile NO welfare spending is constitutional and it is eating us alive.

Charlemagne on October 24, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Check your premises. First of all, I didn’t say defense needs to be “gutted”; I said spending needs to be slashed. Secondly, I don’t care about the states. That’s their problem. Third, all government spending – and government itself – needs to be slashed. Fourth, just because it’s a constitutional responsibility does not mean it gets a blank check.

At each point your argument is a failure.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Cutting the defense budget and hacking an arbitrary amount out of the DoD while leaving entitlement programs untouched is simply irresponsible public policy. But as an isolationist Ron Paul supporter it’s worthless to try and explain it for you. You’d have the United States roll up its military and sit fat dumb and ineffectual while our enemies run amok.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:23 PM

And in other interesting stories out of VA today, while Rep Jim Moran and a group of VA Dooms sent a letter to the DOJ asking for an investigation of suspected Republican voter fraud, James O’Keefe just released a video of Moran’s son participating in potential voter fraud himself. What’s in store for tomorrow?

stukinIL4now on October 24, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Did you see the guy in some other thread who said war is good for the economy?

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Yes I did. The person who posted that comment insisted that this is an upside associated with going to war with Iran. In response I think you directed him to read Henry Hazlitt

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

At each point your argument is a failure.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Well, you make the claim that you are not calling for gutting the military and yet you don’t precisely say how you would cut defense spending. Personnel is the largest cost- would you downsize the force? What programs would you cut or scale back? What about our international obligations to organizations like NATO? In short it’s easy for you to sit there with your bring’em all home mentality and think you have all the answers but the real generals and (when we get one) real President have some very hard questions to answer when talking about defense cuts.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Irony

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM

We don’t have a defense to create government jobs. These government jobs have the same effect as any other government job. They take from more productive areas of the economy.

Ad fail. I don’t like my guy appealing to economic retards.

MNHawk on October 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

And in other interesting stories out of VA today, while Rep Jim Moran and a group of VA Dooms sent a letter to the DOJ asking for an investigation of suspected Republican voter fraud, James O’Keefe just released a video of Moran’s son participating in potential voter fraud himself. What’s in store for tomorrow?

stukinIL4now on October 24, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Anything involving the Moran family isn’t just potential fraud. They are all criminals. It happened- count on it.

And if the GOP fraud is that story from a few days ago of a guy hired by a company doing work for the VA GOP discarding some registration forms, then the DoJ should be looking into it.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

It would be nice to see the military actually used in its Constitutional role. It’s not used for defense; it’s used for nation building and empire building.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The upper counties are chock-full of bureaucrats and defense workers, so the defense cuts really hit home with this crowd.

Yes, and it hits the taxpayers who have to be taxed to support their jobs. Cuts have to be made, even in defense. Mark Levin likes this Allen guy, but I don’t trust him. He has the air of RINO about him, not to mention arrogance.

rickv404 on October 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Mark Levin likes this Allen guy, but I don’t trust him. He has the air of RINO about him, not to mention arrogance.

rickv404 on October 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Then you don’t know George Allen.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Too funny how you are an idiot.

Tenwheeler on October 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Idiots can only insult, not make rational arguments. Defense needs to be cut, like everything else. Yes, Dante, they are hypocrites.

rickv404 on October 24, 2012 at 1:39 PM

And in other interesting stories out of VA today, while Rep Jim Moran and a group of VA Dooms sent a letter to the DOJ asking for an investigation of suspected Republican voter fraud, James O’Keefe just released a video of Moran’s son participating in potential voter fraud himself. What’s in store for tomorrow?

stukinIL4now on October 24, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You beat me to it. Here is the video.

Fallon on October 24, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Nice work on that. I will share it far and wide and rub leftists’ noses in it.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Thank you. Early voting has started in many places, so if this is going to have a chance of impacting any undecided voters, we need to get this data and perspective in front of people ASAP.

Any voter who turned 16 after January 3, 2007 grew up with a Republican majority economy, but then had to go find a job (or will have to soon if they are still in school) in the wake of this Democrat majority economy. The media wants them to “Blame Bush”, but the economy was doing fairly well under Bush and the Republican majority. It wasn’t until the Democrats took control that they drove the economy into the ditch.

ITguy on October 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Mark Levin likes this Allen guy, but I don’t trust him. He has the air of RINO about him, not to mention arrogance.

rickv404 on October 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

No wonder Levin likes him, then.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

rickv404 on October 24, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Here’s Dante’s “me too” toady.

wargamer6 on October 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM

President Obama booed during Clemson v Virginia Tech game

Resist We Much on October 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM


Engaging in positive dialogue and choosing the right time and place to voice our opinions will help us do that.”

Yeah, funny how I can’t really agree with the idea of civil discourse on the day we find out that the rat-eared wonder knew it was a terrorist attack at Benghazi from the beginning and still lied for weeks. Civil discourse is for people of integrity.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:45 PM

It’s not used for defense; it’s used for nation building and empire building.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

nation building and empire building. Dog whistles that can only be heard by anti-military idiots. How about getting rid of a worthless domestic empire like the EPA or Dept. of Education bureaucracy? How about means-testing Medicare? The thing is that there is plenty of opportunity to bring government into a more realistic and workable organization but morons like you just see the DoD budget and want to get the gutting underway.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Too funny how this nation is bankrupt, that spending needs to be slashed, and so-called conservatives refuse to cut the defense budget.

Hypocrites.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Defense is the ONLY item in the Federal budget that the Constitution says should be a Federal expense. Nothing hypocritical about that. It should be the last item to be cut in the Federal budget. Let us first cut the items in the Federal budget that are not constitutionally mandated. We are not a democracy we are a Constitutional Representative Republic that elects it’s representatives democratically.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Defense is the ONLY item in the Federal budget that the Constitution says should be a Federal expense. Nothing hypocritical about that. It should be the last item to be cut in the Federal budget. Let us first cut the items in the Federal budget that are not constitutionally mandated. We are not a democracy we are a Constitutional Representative Republic that elects it’s representatives democratically.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

It is hypocritical. The Constitutional argument is a red herring, because in no way is that an authorization for a blank check.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It would be nice to see the military actually used in its Constitutional role. It’s not used for defense; it’s used for nation building and empire building.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I would recommended that the DoD be renamed back to it’s original name, the Department of War. At least it would be clear that we are paying for a war machine and a defensive force.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

It is hypocritical. The Constitutional argument is a red herring, because in no way is that an authorization for a blank check.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM

You’re the only one making the absurd claim that DoD has a blank check. Repeating it over and over again doesn’t make it any less of a falsehood.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

But since you’re so keen on the Constitution and defense, I’m sure I can correctly assume that you oppose our nation building activities, that you oppose our defending foreign nations, that you oppose our having bases in foreign nations, and that you oppose initiating force against nations when there was no attack nor threat of attack.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I would recommended that the DoD be renamed back to it’s original name, the Department of War. At least it would be clear that we are paying for a war machine and a defensive force.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

The Army used to be called the Department of War, not the DoD. The Navy was a separate department and Madison Ave. had yet to even pen the Air Force’s service song.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Defense is the ONLY item in the Federal budget that the Constitution says should be a Federal expense. Nothing hypocritical about that. It should be the last item to be cut in the Federal budget. Let us first cut the items in the Federal budget that are not constitutionally mandated. We are not a democracy we are a Constitutional Representative Republic that elects it’s representatives democratically.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Yes, Article 1 Section 8 authorizes Congress to fund for the defense of the United States. It does not authorize Congress to fund for the defense of foreign countries like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the former South Vietnam, etc etc etc.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 2:13 PM

The Army used to be called the Department of War, not the DoD. The Navy was a separate department and Madison Ave. had yet to even pen the Air Force’s service song.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM

You’re right. Thanks for the clarification.

antifederalist on October 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

You’ve got to understand that Dante is perfectly content that our government watched the attack of the consulate at Benghazi and did not engage the military forces we had an hour away.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Isn’t it sort of lazy for bloggers to cite RCP Average polls? Some of those polls are probably very close… and some of them are crap. Why average them?

RCP is a joke.

Jaibones on October 24, 2012 at 2:23 PM

You’ve got to understand that Dante is perfectly content that our government watched the attack of the consulate at Benghazi and did not engage the military forces we had an hour away.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:19 PM

What other lies do you care to make up since you are unable to intelligently engage an opposing view?

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

But good for Allen. That wasn’t so hard, was it?

Jaibones on October 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

We shouldn’t defend any other nation? You really don’t see the defense of any other nation as having to do in any way with defending America? We should let forces hostile to the United States take over every square inch of the planet except sovereign American territory, and then expect to be able to defend ourselves against the entire world?

Thank God you weren’t in power in 1941. Japan would have been defeated, but Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and probably Latin America would have been Nazi-ruled, and we’d eventually have had to fight them in Texas instead of in France.

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

But since you’re so keen on the Constitution and defense, I’m sure I can correctly assume that you oppose our nation building activities, that you oppose our defending foreign nations, that you oppose our having bases in foreign nations, and that you oppose initiating force against nations when there was no attack nor threat of attack.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I do not believe in nation building but I am for keeping treaties we have that were passed by the senate and signed by the President. I oppose all the cash passed out like candy to other nations friend or foe. If a base or bases are part of a treaty signed, until that treaty is broken or our elected representatives decide to terminate said treaty they should stay. I do oppose initiating force against nations when there was no attack nor threat of attack. That would not include Iran because they have threatened attack many times and declared war against us many times.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

What other lies do you care to make up since you are unable to intelligently engage an opposing view?

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

What part of my post isn’t true? You want all our military forces sitting in Detroit or something instead of being forward deployed in Italy as part of our international obligations.

Happy Nomad on October 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

We shouldn’t defend any other nation?

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Absolutely not.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM

You have got to be a college professor. No one else in this society is so attached to completely theoretical, to-hell-with-reality thinking.

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Third, all government spending – and government itself – needs to be slashed. Fourth, just because it’s a constitutional responsibility does not mean it gets a blank check.

At each point your argument is a failure.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Two decent points; how about things that aren’t a constitutional responsibility get no check..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

It would be nice to see the military actually used in its Constitutional role. It’s not used for defense; it’s used for nation building and empire building.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Remember the good ol’ days when the job of the military was nation-destroying..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

You have got to be a college professor. No one else in this society is so attached to completely theoretical, to-hell-with-reality thinking.

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

No, I don’t see the morality in seizing your property through the threat of force and then using it to defend a foreign nation.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Remember the good ol’ days when the job of the military was nation-destroying..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I don’t ever recall that being the job of the military.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

That would not include Iran because they have threatened attack many times and declared war against us many times.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Eisnehower instructed the CIA to lead a coup against Iran’s constitutionally-elected leader in 1953, after which we installed a dictator and then propped up and supported him for decades. We armed her enemy during a time of war. We have openly threatened force against her for decades, as well as engaged in covert warfare against her.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I don’t ever recall that being the job of the military.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Funny: I guess all those bombs and stuff are for – what – excavation for new skyscrapers..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Funny: I guess all those bombs and stuff are for – what – excavation for new skyscrapers..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Defending our territory and winning a war, neither of which requires the destruction of a nation.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Defending our territory and winning a war, neither of which requires the destruction of a nation.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

You really don’t get how it works, do you..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM

You really don’t get how it works, do you..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I guess I don’t. Please explain how we destroyed England twice.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM

No, I don’t see the morality in seizing your property through the threat of force and then using it to defend a foreign nation.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Because you can’t imagine the possibility that defending another nation might have anything to do with the defense of America. So, for instance, if during the Cold War the Soviets had invaded and conquered Canada, installed nuclear weapons there, and stationed a hundred Red Army divisions on the international boundary, that would have been fine with you, until such time as they rolled across the border?

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Because you can’t imagine the possibility that defending another nation might have anything to do with the defense of America. So, for instance, if during the Cold War the Soviets had invaded and conquered Canada, installed nuclear weapons there, and stationed a hundred Red Army divisions on the international boundary, that would have been fine with you, until such time as they rolled across the border?

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

No. If there was credible information on an eminent attack, then we could have struck. We wouldn’t have to wait for them to roll across the border.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I guess I don’t. Please explain how we destroyed England twice.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM

You’re right — the British military didn’t do a damn bit of damage when they were here, did they..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM

No. If there was credible information on an eminent attack, then we could have struck. We wouldn’t have to wait for them to roll across the border.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 3:10 PM

But I thought you said pre-emption was bad? Or is it just a matter of degree, not of kind?

Oh, and by the way, you’re still talking about preferring to fight on U.S. soil (given the exigencies of modern warfare, which typically don’t recognize lines on a map), rather than defending another nation the defeat of which would threaten us.

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Two decent points; how about things that aren’t a constitutional responsibility get no check..?

affenhauer on October 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Yes, please!

The hole in the budget is caused by ENTITLEMENTS not DoD.

And the federal government is a drag on the economy and a danger to liberty by trying to do so much for so many, while only interposing power in place of individual liberty. There are rafts of agencies, departments and sub-agency level groups that need to go as they are a greater threat to our liberty, freedom and our very lives through the corruption they breed and the degradation of teaching our citizens to believe they are ENTITLED to a handout… and to shake a fist when they don’t get it.

When the Punisher is given the carrot as well as the stick, we start to find shackles on our very selves… that must END.

ajacksonian on October 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM

No. If there was credible information on an eminent attack, then we could have struck. We wouldn’t have to wait for them to roll across the border.

Dante on October 24, 2012 at 3:10 PM

But I thought you said pre-emption was bad? Or is it just a matter of degree, not of kind?

Oh, and by the way, you’re still talking about preferring to fight on U.S. soil (given the exigencies of modern warfare, which typically don’t recognize lines on a map), rather than defending another nation the defeat of which would threaten us.

Athanasius on October 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Haha you handed that dunce the ‘rope’ (his own words) to hang himself with, good job!! :)…that one is not the sharpest tool in the box fo sho…

jimver on October 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM

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