Former Obama security adviser: “We’re probably right back where we were three, four years ago” in Mideast

posted at 7:21 pm on October 24, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

While the Foreign Policy President & friends have assured us that Obama’s policies have indeed made the world a safer, more peaceful place than when he took office, not everybody is convinced. In the Middle East specifically, his timeline for troop withdrawal from the Middle East somehow still feels like it prioritizes merely ending the War on Terror rather winning it; the “Arab Spring” seems to present more potential threats than benefits; and meanwhile, Iran’s nuclear centrifuges just keep spinning away. As former Obama national security adviser General James Jones attested on Charlie Rose last night, it doesn’t look like President Obama’s polices have concretely accomplished all that much in the region:

Well, the whole setup for analyzing the world that we face was based on an initial premise that we needed to size up the problems, talk to the people that historically were causing us difficulties, and see if there was some way to proceed ahead, as we now know, in some cases we made some progress; I would cite the START Treaty as an example of a successful couple of years of hard work with the Russians. On the other hand, with the Middle East and Iran, we’re probably right back where we were three or four years ago. So, it is great to be able to come in and try to think strategically, but you’re really many times driven by the tactics of the moment. You find yourself responding to the tactical impulses that face us. And it’s very hard to keep that strategic focus.

And if that doesn’t get you, here’s the WSJ with a somewhat unnerving report — the administration’s drawdown schedule may be ready to go, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Afghanistan is ready for it:

With insurgents and bandits openly roaming Bamiyan’s remote districts and the Taliban blowing up food and fuel trucks on the road to Kabul, many residents here increasingly fear they will be overrun once the last coalition base in the province closes in April. …

What happens here is a portent of things to come in the rest of Afghanistan, as the U.S. winds down its longest foreign war. The U.S.-led coalition began transferring security responsibility over provinces and districts to Afghan security forces in mid-2011. The entire country is slated to be handed over by 2014, the year when the coalition’s military mandate ends. …

The coalition says the transition is progressing well, with three-quarters of the country’s population already living under Afghan security control. The handover continues though the Taliban-led insurgency shows no sign of being defeated. In September, according to coalition statistics released Tuesday, the number of insurgents attacks was 1% higher than in September 2011.

Uncertainty always abounds on the global stage, but taken within the context of the recent security failures in Benghazi that resulted in the death of four Americans, there are just a few too many holes being shot in the Obama administration’s foreign-policy narrative for comfort; the death of Osama bin Laden and a bunch of his kindred spirits via drone strikes just isn’t enough to keep all of our bases covered in the Middle East.


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Well then TFGRP needs 4 more years to turn around the disastrous tenure of…himself.

You have to think in Russian Liberal.

Bishop on October 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Heckuva job, Barry!

aunursa on October 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Well, Bush made it bad, and if its the same as it was 3-4 years ago, at least we didn’t make it worse.
/Jay Carney logic

ted c on October 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM

so pi$$ed that wolfie reported on the benghazi tapes like they were just another day in libya…no outrage no further questions to the folks reporting…unstinkingbelievable…

special report spends 15-20 minutes on it…wolfie spends a max of 5 minutes….

cnn may be reporting it, but nothing like they would if this happened under a gop president….

man my blood is boiling

cmsinaz on October 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM

la la la…just need to get past nov 6th
-lsm

cmsinaz on October 24, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Does this fool even have a degree in National Security? No? Then why are we listening to him.

Bishop on October 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I’m not about to defend Obama on this, but Bush didn’t take the right approach either, and so far Romney is still not talking about the real problem. Until they know what it is they can’t fix it.

In that last debate both Obama and Romney talked of working with the most moderate forces in places like Libya and Syria to facilitate regime change from within. That is not going to work. That are no good sides in any of those conflicts. The thre, four or more sides fighting in those cesspools are all looking for the same thing; promotion of an Islamic superpower. The only reason they are fighting is because they all want to run it when it comes about. But none of them are suddenly going to become our buddies no matter what we do, unless what we do is surrender.

MikeA on October 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

And if that doesn’t get you, here’s the WSJ with a somewhat unnerving report — the administration’s drawdown schedule may be ready to go, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Afghanistan is ready for it:

Obama’s foreign policy is the Jean-Luc Picard Doctrine: “Make it so!”

The ME has never taken directions very well.

INC on October 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

They are all Osamas now.

Winning.
/

What a F-up.

CW on October 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Uncertainty always abounds on the global stage, but taken within the context of the recent security failures in Benghazi that resulted in the death of four Americans, there are just a few too many holes being shot in the Obama administration’s foreign-policy narrative for comfort;

as well as their ambassador’s and State Dept personnel.

ted c on October 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM

unless what we do is surrender.

MikeA on October 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Shhh don’t give Obama any ideas.

CW on October 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM

James Jones is a smart guy… you don’t make 4 stars and be an idiot, although Wesley Clark pushes my limit on that statement…

Wesley isn’t an idiot, but he is a misguided liberal…

Khun Joe on October 24, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Former Obama security adviser:

Get used to typing that word combo….

BobMbx on October 24, 2012 at 7:33 PM

..oh oh!…s o m e o n e…has their story wrong!

KOOLAID2 on October 24, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Are you kidding me? Right back where we started three or four years ago with Iran? Iran’s nuclear weapons program didn’t advance in the past 36-48 months? Tell that to Israel. Maybe I’m misunderstanding him.

Christien on October 24, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Obama’s made it a 1000 times worse than it was 4 yrs. ago.

jatfla on October 24, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Mourdock!
Bayonets!
Binders!
Big Bird!
Allred revelations!
Running on empty!!!!!

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Well except for arming al Qaeda…

tarpon on October 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Yea, well, Where we were4 yrs ago, would be a major step up from where we are now! Terrorists were afraid or respected GWB! Obama’s there _itch! The jihadis have no respect for the Failure-in-chief or anyone else who apologizes. Apologies are for women and the weak, in the muslim world! No amount of spin from the Obama jihadi media, will change that reality. Muslim jihadis, just like the Obama jihadi media, have to be beaten and humiliated or else, all you’ve accomplished, is to encourage and embolden them for the next time they feel like attacking! Here’s how to hit the Obama jihadi media where it hurts: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

General Jim Jones is asked and he answers — with kid gloves.

President Barack Hussein Obama is an absolute abject failure in every arena — including the Foreign Policy arena.

It’s not a stretch to say that we’re worse off than ever in the Middle East now, too. In fact — it’s safe to say.

FlatFoot on October 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

man my blood is boiling

cmsinaz on October 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I am right there with you cmsinaz.

CoffeeLover on October 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Check out this video:

http://www.mittromney.com/forms/momentum

Got a little misty in here watching that closing argument for the campaign!

jaygatz33 on October 24, 2012 at 7:38 PM

jaygatz33 on October 24, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Obama, Obama…we are all Osama now..

“We’re probably right back where we were three, four years ago”

I don’t think we ever went FORWARD to come back.

Electrongod on October 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

it doesn’t look like President Obama’s polices have concretely accomplished all that much in the region:

No, Hussein’s actions have accomplished exactly what he wanted to achieve for jihadies.
Get you head out off your behind mister .

burrata on October 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

And if we reelect President Obama and those damn Republicans stop being so obstructionist, relations with Russia can go Forward to where they were pre-Reagan.

Overcharge button FTW!

malclave on October 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

CoffeeLover on October 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

thanks buddy

feeling just a tad eeyorish right about now

cmsinaz on October 24, 2012 at 7:43 PM

http://www.mittromney.com/forms/momentum

Got a little misty in here watching that closing argument for the campaign!

jaygatz33 on October 24, 2012 at 7:38 PM

awesome thanks jaygatz

CoffeeLover on October 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM

The next “real” president we have, and that would be Romney, will indeed be inheriting the Mother of All Chaos, both domestic and foreign. Obama has got everything so f**ked up that it’s FUBAR on steroids. I pray and weep for our children if he’s allowed a single day in office past January 20.

TXUS on October 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Bush phucked up when he allowed Powell and State to takeover the post battallion size engaugement phase of Iraq. Replacing Garner with Bremmer was a major aweshiite. Things may or may be recoverable from there … we shall see in the coming years.

Afganistan is King Putt’s gig and he must answer for EVERYTHING in that theater. Prepare yourself for the coverups upon paintovers that the MSM (Manipulating Stories Machine) will creat from vapor about Dear Liar’s brilliance in the Stans.

Missilengr on October 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

But none of them are suddenly going to become our buddies no matter what we do, unless what we do is surrender.

MikeA on October 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Wrong, if we surrender they will not become our buddies. They will be emboldened and attack the US everywhere and anywhere they can globally. Their mind set is surrender is proof of weakness. They only respect countries they fear. Have you learned nothing about our enemies in all these years? Your last sentence was so wrong I just had to comment.

IowaWoman on October 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Well then TFGRP needs 4 more years to turn around the disastrous tenure of…himself.

You have to think in Russian Liberal.

Bishop on October 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM

So that’s how TFG launches those rearward firing missles in Boystown.

I was wonderin’.

98ZJUSMC on October 24, 2012 at 7:52 PM

http://www.mittromney.com/forms/momentum

Got a little misty in here watching that closing argument for the campaign!

jaygatz33 on October 24, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

JPeterman on October 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM

as we now know, in some cases we made some progress; I would cite the START Treaty as an example of a successful couple of years of hard work with the Russians.

I think that Jones is confusing the START Treaty with a dream act.

AlQaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Taliban are stronger than ever because of the policies of this administration. Obysmal has made the world more ripe for an expanding caliphate and the imposition of sharia law. Talk about imperialist aims!

onlineanalyst on October 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM

If it weren’t for oil, we’d be able to politely tell the Muslim world to go F… your goat.

GarandFan on October 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

We aren’t going to win the war on Islamic terror until our leaders accept and promote the fact that world Islam right now is directed and led by the extremists. They are in control and will continue to gain power with this Arab spring nonsense. Dubya, Obama, and Romney all insist it is a religion of peace or there are good portions willing to divorce from the jihadis. That is apparently not the case and to claim it is so, is simply whistling past the graveyard..

a capella on October 24, 2012 at 7:56 PM

If it weren’t for oil, we’d be able to politely tell the Muslim world to go F… your goat.

GarandFan on October 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Why would muslims want to F… Aariana Huff ?

burrata on October 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Don’t get me wrong, getting Osama was good, but getting Zawahiri is more important, IMO.

Christien on October 24, 2012 at 8:01 PM

He should be running on his very solid record… strong effort on gays and women, decent foreign policy…

urban elitist on October 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM

rogerb on October 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Defeating your enemies only applies to domestic policy if you are a Democrat.

Wigglesworth on October 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM

We keep trying to appease these a&&holes, and they keep shooting at us, killing our kids and then expecting us to finance their craphole country. Lets get our kids out, develop our own energy sources, provide for our own people with the money we send to Crapistan. Time to let the goat herders to fend for themselves.

stormridercx4 on October 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Ugh,posty gone somewhere,me try dis again!

Tunisia: Reported consulate suspect arrested
— Oct. 24 5:35 PM EDT
**************************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/tunisia-reported-consulate-suspect-arrested
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Tunisia jails Salafist leader in U.S. embassy attack for one year
Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:11pm EDT
***************************

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-tunisia-us-embassy-idUSBRE89N1QV20121024

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Heres a result of Obama’s Grand Middle East F’ Up!

Red line for Iran
October 23, 2012, 11:02 AM
***************************

VIDEO:(15:15)

One of the disturbing things about last night’s presidential debate is that the discussion on Iran was at least four years out of date. Iran is about to cross the threshold. I know voters don’t want to hear it. But it is true.

Please take 15 minutes to watch this important YouTube video about what is at stake as Iran races, unhindered to the nuclear finish line. Watch it and then post it on your facebook page and website and send it out to everyone you know. The politicians don’t want to admit how urgent this is. We have to show them that we are strong enough to handle the truth.
=================================

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Thanks canopfor

the last paragraph just makes me more angry than I already was….

Tunisia expects Washington to guarantee around a fifth of its $2.2-2.5 billion borrowing needs next year to help its economy recover from last year’s revolution, the country’s minister of international cooperation, Riadh Betaib, told Reuters last month.

CoffeeLover on October 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM

************* Benghazi E-Mails ********************

Press Relations » Daily Press Briefings » 2012 » October » Daily Press Briefing – October 24, 2012

Victoria Nuland
Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
October 24, 2012
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Index for Today’s Briefing

LIBYA
E-mails from Operations Center
Accountability Review Board / Ongoing Investigation into Benghazi
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QUESTION: Well, let’s just start with something that she did say, which was about these emails that have been – that are being reported on now. Do you have anything to add to what she said about them? And can you explain – these were emails sent by this building to various other agencies, including the White House. Do you know, was it people in this building who noticed the claim of responsibility on Facebook and Twitter, or was it people in Tripoli or somewhere else?

MS. NULAND: Well, first of all, in terms of where this piece fits into the general effort to gather information before, during, and after the events in Benghazi, I think the Secretary’s spoken to that, Jay Carney’s spoken to that. The reason you have an ARB is so that you can look at all of the information that we had, not only unclassified information and information –

QUESTION: Fair enough, but I –

MS. NULAND: — that appeared on Facebook.

QUESTION: But considering these things are now out there, can you –

MS. NULAND: So just to give some context, as you know, our Operations Center is responsible for providing fast-breaking news to principals in this Department. We obviously share with other national security agencies. So on the unclassified side, they will collect information that they are seeing in real time, whether it’s from Facebook, Twitter, press reporting, all of your fine work, that kind of thing, and make sure that people see it if it’s a breaking story. So what –

QUESTION: Sorry. So it was the Ops Center specifically that noticed this claim of responsibility?

MS. NULAND: I think the –

QUESTION: Or was it the Crisis – the Rapid Response Team or – I’m just looking for – or was it someone out in the field?

MS. NULAND: That particular piece was disseminated –

QUESTION: I know where it was disseminated from.

MS. NULAND: — by our Operations Center. Whether it was –

QUESTION: Where did they get it from?

MS. NULAND: Whether they saw it themselves or whether it was highlighted by our people in the field, I can’t speak to that. I, frankly, don’t know. It can happen any of a number of ways.

QUESTION: In instances such as this, is it standard practice to relay all claims of responsibility sort of no matter –

MS. NULAND: Yes.

QUESTION: — where they come from, who they might be?

MS. NULAND: Yes.

QUESTION: So I mean, it could be somebody waving a flag in the air and saying, “I’m responsible,” and that would also be reported?

MS. NULAND: Yes.

QUESTION: So there’s no sort of value judgment on the reliability of the claim implied by having it relayed through this system that you have?

MS. NULAND: And in fact, there are instances where the Ops Center might send out messages that three different groups are claiming responsibility for the same event. But it’s standard practice for them, when we have breaking news, for them to inform all of the principals in this building so that everybody knows what’s moving.

QUESTION: Well, fair enough. But I mean, if a claim is ludicrously unbelievable – I don’t know, I mean, like if someone forged the Quaker Church or something and said that they were – that would be passed on as well?

MS. NULAND: Well, they obviously use their judgment as to whether they think it’s important for principals in this building to be aware of what’s out there, particularly what’s out there in the public domain.

QUESTION: Okay. So it was deemed important enough – and I’m going to assume that important enough means that it was presumably credible to pass on to other – to pass on to the principals in other agencies, correct?

MS. NULAND: Again –

QUESTION: I’m just – I mean, if I had said that I take responsibility for this, would that have gone up the chain?

MS. NULAND: They definitely would not have passed on your personal claim of responsibility, Matt.

QUESTION: Okay. All right. Fine. So – because it wouldn’t have been credible. Now maybe – I mean, it wouldn’t – what I’m getting at is that if it wasn’t a claim that had the possibility of credibility, it wouldn’t have been passed on, correct?

MS. NULAND: What I’d like to say here is that in keeping folks informed, the Ops Center obviously is looking at the totality of what’s out there in the public domain. When things begin to become picked up, when they become something that people are talking about, they obviously have a responsibility to inform principals. But it is not the job of the Operations Center in passing these things on to analyze them, to weight them in any way, shape, or form. They’re just –

QUESTION: Well, but in fact, they are weighting – had there been a hundred claims of responsibility that night and 99 of them had been from a group or a person that couldn’t possibly have done it, they wouldn’t have passed those on, correct?

MS. NULAND: In all likelihood, if there had been a hundred claims of responsibility that night, they would have done a summary which said more than a hundred groups, including Matt Lee, have claimed responsibility for this attack, is what they would have reported.

QUESTION: And then said that –

MS. NULAND: And not evaluated them one way or the other.

QUESTION: Really? So they would have given my alleged claim of responsibility equal weight with that of a known terrorist group in Libya?

MS. NULAND: Again, Matt, you’re – we’re getting into crazy land here. My point is simply that if the environment is saturated with claims of responsibility, they’re going to make sure that principals know that we’ve got competing claims. That’s my only point here.

QUESTION: And again, just while we’re on this sort of procedure, while we’re in crazy land – (laughter) – what’s the -
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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/10/199595.htm
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Daily Press Briefing – October 24, 2012

Oct. 24, 2012: U.S. Department of State Daily Press Briefing by Spokesperson Victoria Nuland in Washington, DC.

VIDEO:(29:46)

http://video.state.gov/en/video/1922183339001

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM

hanks canopfor

the last paragraph just makes me more angry than I already was….

Tunisia expects Washington to guarantee around a fifth of its $2.2-2.5 billion borrowing needs next year to help its economy recover from last year’s revolution, the country’s minister of international cooperation, Riadh Betaib, told Reuters last month.

CoffeeLover on October 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM

CoffeeLover:

You have every right to be ticked off,and I underlined that part
to AllahPundit,when I sent him the whole article,a little while ago,
and it appears more like blackmail,or coerhesion,on the part of Tun
isia!!—–:)

canopfor on October 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

We should be so lucky as to have things like 4 years ago. Obama has emboldened the enemy in the same way he has revived the racial divide in this country.

The harm he has done will be discussed for years to come.

Mimzey on October 24, 2012 at 8:32 PM

What and where it the hell did our ‘obligation’ to Tunisia come from?

I can see some structural repair and some equipment stipend going to Libya from our ordnance and our NATO partners should be willing to pony up some ‘reparations’ but why the hell is Tunisia expecting a ‘handout’ from us and by that I mean U.S.??

Missilengr on October 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM

What happens here is a portent of things to come in the rest of Afghanistan, as the U.S. winds down its longest foreign war. The U.S.-led coalition began transferring security responsibility over provinces and districts to Afghan security forces in mid-2011. The entire country is slated to be handed over by 2014, the year when the coalition’s military mandate ends. …

Jesus Christ…is this 1974 or 75 again? One can substitute Kabul for Saigon and Afghan for Vietnam IMHO. Haven’t we learned one damn thing about war in over 36 years?

Twana on October 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

BTW…Vietman was just as long and longer, Folks….in case you forgot…we were in from 1959 until 1975.

Twana on October 24, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Wrong. In Egypt and Lybia, it’s never been this bad. We are in a whole new world in North Africa, thanks to President Jackass. The Muslim Brotherhood is immensely more powerful.

In Iran, we are worse off than we have ever been.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, we are in danger of throwing away the great accomplishments of the last decade, all because Jackass thinks it will help his reelection.

What happens here is a portent of things to come in the rest of Afghanistan, as the U.S. winds down its longest foreign war.

We have to get out of obsessing over the length of wars. We’ve been at war with islam for 1400 years, all that’s been changing are the tempo and tactics. It’s time we accepted that and planned for it.

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Twana on October 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

They’d be calling it the ‘Afghanistanization’ of the war if that wasn’t so tedious.

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Damn… For the first time in my life, I’m thinking about becoming a prepper… no shyt….

kcd on October 24, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Damn… For the first time in my life, I’m thinking about becoming a prepper… no shyt….

It’d be easier to get rid of the real threat to our existence first…the domestic one. After that….no one is going to screw with us when we have a real…NO Bullschmidt, effective…CIC.

Not an arab….uhhhh…butt kisser.

Twana on October 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Hmmm, three or four years ago. What happened then to blow up our foreign policy? :)

PattyJ on October 24, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Wag the dog now, Bammy, that should help.

SailorMark on October 24, 2012 at 9:48 PM

In the Middle East specifically, his timeline for troop withdrawal from the Middle East somehow still feels like it prioritizes merely ending the War on Terror rather winning it; the “Arab Spring” seems to presentpresents more potential threats than benefits; and meanwhile, Iran’s nuclear centrifuges just keep spinning away. As former Obama national security adviser General James Jones attested on Charlie Rose last night, it doesn’t look like President Obama’s polices have concretely accomplished all that anything much in the region

FIFY

IrishEyes on October 24, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I’m not about to defend Obama on this, but Bush didn’t take the right approach either, and so far Romney is still not talking about the real problem. Until they know what it is they can’t fix it.

MikeA on October 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I.S.L.A.M.

No. You can’t fix it.

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM

For what it’s worth, this time it IS Bush’s fault. Should have stayed out of that area. But now since we broke it, we bought it.

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2012 at 10:51 PM

If it weren’t for oil, we’d be able to politely tell the Muslim world to go F… your goat.

GarandFan on October 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

That’s why not drilling here is so !@$^% frustrating.

MelonCollie on October 24, 2012 at 10:59 PM

“Forward.” — Obama 2012

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Hey, I hate Obama, but we should have left Afghanistan 6 years ago.

I’m okay with dumbass muslims killing each other. It’s what they do well. And the only good muslim is a dead muslim, just like commies.

woodNfish on October 24, 2012 at 11:44 PM

“Forward.” — Obama 2012

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2012 at 11:32 PM

“Vorwärts” — Nazi marching song 1938

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Great job, NEOCONS! Awesome strategy!

nottakingsides on October 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM

They are all Osamas now.

Winning.
/

What a F-up.

CW on October 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

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Proof that the premise is wrong… It’s actually much worse overall.
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Just like the economy… an extra $6T with nothing positive to show for it.
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Barry will go down in history as a radically bumbling idiot who should’a at least been average+ ‘post racial’ and beloved for it…
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RalphyBoy on October 25, 2012 at 1:53 AM

What happens here is a portent of things to come in the rest of Afghanistan, as the U.S. winds down its longest foreign war. The U.S.-led coalition began transferring security responsibility over provinces and districts to Afghan security forces in mid-2011. The entire country is slated to be handed over by 2014, the year when the coalition’s military mandate ends. …

Jesus Christ…is this 1974 or 75 again? One can substitute Kabul for Saigon and Afghan for Vietnam IMHO. Haven’t we learned one damn thing about war in over 36 years?

Twana on October 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

It’s a good comparison, but we actually had Vietnam much more won than Afghanistan. We had exactly two obligations in Vietnam when we left it: 1) help South Vietnam by providing funding, and 2) providing air support to the South Vietnamese military.

And the reason Saigon fell was just this simple: after Nixon resigned, the Democratic Congress cut off all funding to Vietnam, including the funding to provide air support.

We didn’t “lose” Vietnam. We threw away a victory bought in blood and time because Democrats in Congress wanted to get back at Richard Nixon for beating them on the Vietnam War issue.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 25, 2012 at 1:56 AM

The START treaty was no deal for us, either. The Russians can’t afford to upgrade their arsenal either with new technology or even replacing deteriorating weapons systems. They were going to be reducing their arsenal anyway, we needn’t have given up anything to get that.

Instead, we agree not only to decommission significant assets but also to stop replacing old ones with improved versions in many cases, plus we pulled the long-promised missile defense systems from Poland and the Czech Republic, and all for nothing, not so much as a show of diplomatic cooperation over Iran or Syria.

Obama should hang for treason for that crap treaty, along with every traitor in the Senate who voted to ratify it.

Adjoran on October 25, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Gen Jones is clearly understating the matter. We are much worse off than we were 4 years ago. Back then we had some stability and leaders who, while rat bastards, were at least cooperative rat bastards.

MJBrutus on October 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM

He’s assuming there was real progress 3 or 4 years ago. There can be no progress as long as these people go on fanatically believing in Islam as they do. A military presence there changes nothing.

rickv404 on October 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I don’t object to Obama accomplishing nothing in foreign policy, because the consensus of both parties defines “victory” so poorly that it would be unattainable for anyone.

I blame him only for his backward steps, like knocking over Libya.

David Blue on October 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM

rickv404 on October 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM: “He’s assuming there was real progress 3 or 4 years ago.”

Right. And he’s wrong.

rickv404 on October 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM: “There can be no progress as long as these people go on fanatically believing in Islam as they do.”

Right.

And to change that is far beyond America’s power. Besides, policy is not to try. American victories in Afghanistan and Iraq led to constitutions that take Islam as a source of law. In Afghanistan, under the constitution Americans have died for, a Muslim who converts to Christianity can be punished with death.

rickv404 on October 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM: “A military presence there changes nothing.”

Right. All it does is funnel money (and blood) into Islamic states that remain Islamic and hostile.

David Blue on October 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM