Video: CBS focus group in Ohio picks Romney the winner

posted at 11:21 am on October 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Charlie Rose and Norah O’Donnell seem a little surprised by the results of this focus group conducted by CBS during last night’s debate, a group that consists of eight undecided voters in Ohio — a critical swing state for both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.  Conventional wisdom and spot polls showed Obama winning a narrow victory over Romney in last night’s debate, but that’s not how CBS’ independents saw it:

That’s 6-2 for Romney, and a couple of other interesting points.  Obama tried very hard to belittle Romney in his response about the Navy, and that clearly backfired.  While panelists cheered the more civil tone after two debates of constant interruptions, Obama’s testiness and scorn came across all the more strongly when it appeared.  Romney succeeded in clearing what Ronald Brownstein called the “commander bar” by appearing more in control of himself and more focused on the future:

Foreign-policy debates between the presidential contenders follow a more predictable pattern than encounters over domestic policy. Inevitably, the challenger accuses the incumbent of indecision and drift and explains how he will bend the world more to his will by showing strength and leadership; the incumbent, with more gray hair than four years earlier—some of which was acquired in long, frustrating negotiations with other nations—tries to explain, without appearing defeatist, that the world isn’t always so easy to command.

Monday night’s final encounter between President Obama and Mitt Romney honored all of those conventions, albeit with fewer sparks than have marked previous such events. … or any challenger, the principal goal in a foreign-policy debate is to cross the bar as commander in chief. For most voters, Romney probably cleared that bar, but he didn’t vault over it.

Speaking of swing states, I mentioned the Rasmussen national tracking poll earlier today.  What about their swing-state tracking poll? While remembering that this won’t have any reaction to last night’s debate, Romney has now moved to a five-point lead in the swing states:

The full Swing State tracking update offers Rasmussen Reader subscribers a combined view of the results from 11 key states won by President Obama in 2008 and thought to be competitive in 2012. The states collectively hold 146 Electoral College votes and include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. …

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 50% of the vote to Obama’s 45%. Two percent (2%) like another candidate in the race, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

This is now the third time Romney has hit the 50% mark in the combined swing states in the past four days and is the biggest lead either candidate has held in nearly three weeks. This survey is conducted on a rolling seven-day basis, and as a result, virtually all of the interviews for today’s update were completed before the end of last night’s presidential debate. Romney has now held a modest lead for 12 of the last 15 days; Obama was ahead twice, and the candidates ran even once.

Romney has an eleven-point lead among independents, 48/37, in these swing states.  That’s a huge problem for Obama.  Romney also has a +15 among men (54/39) and only a -5 among women (44/49) for a +10 gender gap, an enormous shift from 2008.  If these swing state voters in Ohio are at all representative, that’s not going to change as a result of last night’s debate.

Update: Breitbart’s Michael Patrick Leahy thinks Obama may have done himself no favors in Virginia with his snide comment on the Navy, either:

Mr. Obama’s snarky “horses and bayonets” line also backfired. As several Marines and Army veterans tweeted during the debate, Marines still use bayonets. In fact, had the President chosen to station Marines at Benghazi, as he should have, Marines would in all likelihood have used their bayonets when the mission there was attacked. Also, the Army’s Special Forces currently use horses in the mountains of Afghanistan.

But the President’s third self delivered strike is the one that is likely to have the greatest political cost. When he belittled the notion that increasing the current size of our Navy–as Governor Romney suggested–was not worthy of consideration because this “is not a game of Battleship,” he effectively wrote off the State of Virginia, where the Navy’s Norfolk base plays such a huge role in the local economy.

That’s a very interesting point.  Watch Virginia polling — and see whether Team Romney goes with ads in coastal Virginia to emphasize Obama’s derision.


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Did anyone catch the question from Schiefert about how each canidate would react to a ‘phone call from the Isrealis “that their planes are in the air?”‘
I almost spilled my G&T … what a gawdawful question. How stupid can a moderator be?
What would your response be to ‘planes in the air’? WTFO?
Romney responded correctly by ‘dope slapping’ the question in mid-air.
Gawd what a STUPID question.

Too bad Romney didn’t say ‘more bayonets in Ben Gazi would have saved the ambassador.’ That would have popped King Putt’s baloon.

Missilengr on October 23, 2012 at 12:17 PM

“Oh…it looks like…*deep breath*…Romney won over more people…is it hot in here….I don’t feel so good….oh my…I feel like I’m going to puke….”

Bishop on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Also known as “Mourning Sickness”.

ziggyville on October 23, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Actually – since Obama’s and Benarke’s efforst have all been around QE and its support for the markets -if the market feels Romney is coming in and that there will at least some modification, does that fuel a sell off?

Zomcon JEM on October 23, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It’s over. Internals have to be crushing O based on his campaign’s moronic tone lately

Bensonofben on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I’m no military expert, but it appears that zero is not aware that one of those aircraft carriers is really the center of a carrier battle group. I don’t know how many other ships are part of a carrier battle group, but it’s not insignificant.

Oh, also, he’s probably fired some of them there cruise missiles from the deck of some obsolete Navy cruiser he derided.

president putz!

freedomfirst on October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

A Carrier Strike Group normally has one carrier. It has one (or more) cruisers. Two (or more) destroyers or frigates, and often, one (or more) attack submarines.

And, just a small thing, the navy generally refers to all submarines ‘boats’, not ‘ships’.

trigon on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Obama hops on his horse, grabs his bayonet, and rides off into his snark-filled retirement.

Hi-yo Sliver!

profitsbeard on October 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Until he meets Clint Eastwood with a six-shooter, Obama falls out of the saddle, and Clint Eastwood interviews the horse.

Steve Z on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I’ll see you Norah ODonell and raise you Anna Kooiman of Fox News

D-fusit on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Someone please tell Obama that we built our first aircraft carrier, USS Ranger, in 1934!

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Between Obama’s assault on coal miners and now Virginia’s military installations, we’ll be happy to take the 13 electoral votes, (and move Virginia into the solid RED column). Thanks Bammy!

Rovin on October 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM

trigon on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Thanks. I feel a bit smarter!

freedomfirst on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Seriously? It’s just outside of Cleveland/Akron. I could be wrong, never been to that part of Ohio, but I don’t see how that area could be even slightly conservative.

Norky on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

It’s not. The city itself is majorly Democrat. It apparently does have an unusually high percentage of independents though.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Now-a-days we heavily arm our embassy station guards with handcuffs and clubs.

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Obamaesque cute response: “Uh, hey, the Neanderthals called and they want their Foreign Policy back.”

Tee frickin’ Hee.

ziggyville on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Video: CBS focus group in Ohio picks Romney the winner

Oh, this is obviously the work of the RNC to stack
the group with plants!
Gumby will be along shortly to educate us.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Jefferson County, Ohio is a swing county. Obama won it in 2008 by less than 0.1%.

sentinelrules on October 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Al Gore invented the Internet.

Obama invented the Aircraft Carrier.

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Where in the world did you get that from? Steubenville is D city. There are 6 Ds for every R.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Seriously? It’s just outside of Cleveland/Akron. I could be wrong, never been to that part of Ohio, but I don’t see how that area could be even slightly conservative.

Norky on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Not picking any fights here. Maybe when I visit Steubenville I should spend more time outside of the Franciscan University of Steubenville.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I didn’t know we could land planes on them.

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D-fusit on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Seriously? It’s just outside of Cleveland/Akron. I could be wrong, never been to that part of Ohio, but I don’t see how that area could be even slightly conservative.

Norky on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

It’s not. The city itself is majorly Democrat. It apparently does have an unusually high percentage of independents though.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

.
Those “independents” must be the 22% of Democrats that are voting for Romney. :)

Well, the two of you did a good job crushing that troll …

“Calling pumbyandgokey. Pumbyandgokey to the white courtesy phone, please.”

;->

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Axelrod said “I’m saying this race is exactly the race we said we’re in,”. Isn’t that like saying “no matter where you go, there you are”? I feel sorry for the guy, he’s so ensconced with Obama he keeps eating that sh*t sandwich every day.

TulsAmerican on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

What I remember from my history study, there were submarines in the Civil War.

Voter from WA State on October 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Along with horses and bayonets. ;)

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

LOL. I am not a troll. Ask others including Bmore. canafor, and JPeterman, for example. I read HA daily, but post infrequently. Working and contributing to defeat Obama since 2008. Just asking a question, even if my impressions about Steubenville were wrong.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 PM

It’s over. Internals have to be crushing O based on his campaign’s moronic tone lately

Bensonofben on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

According to a post at NRO this morning, the Obama campaign is beginning to quietly talk about “how we can win without Ohio.” Good luck with that.

Wethal on October 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Obama hops on his horse, grabs his bayonet, and rides off into his snark-filled retirement.

Hi-yo Sliver!

profitsbeard on October 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Until he meets Clint Eastwood with a six-shooter, Obama falls out of the saddle, and Clint Eastwood interviews the horse.

Steve Z on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 PM

ROFL!!! You both deserve kudos on your comments! Made my day!

dominigan on October 23, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Obama can’t resist showing what a snarky child he is, and Romney’s upcoming victory is gonna buuuuurnn, since he hates him so much.

disa on October 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Lol! The Pseudo-Intellectual Jack Ass, Better Known As, the Marxist Messiah or Barack Obama, really made a fool of himself in the 3rd & final debate. Obama’s condescending remarks were a put off to most people, not to mention, highlighting his sheer ignorance on several topics. The Obama jihadi media, tried their best to spin a win for their Messiah, but as in the other 2 debates, you can only go so far with, “who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin eyes & ears?” The Spin at MSKKK & the New Black Racists Network was in overdrive! It was a horrible site. Creepy Chrissy mathews was spinning at 11,000RPM’s and that spittle on his chin, he’s most famous for, was flying all over the studio. MadCow was in a corner balled up in a fetal position, repeating, “But he’s the smartest man in the world”, over and over again. It was a sight to behold. Living up to the label, Obama Jihadi media, these clowns need to be hit back hard or the next 2 weeks will be a hatefest beyond all comparison. If Romney & co. doesn’t smack them down, they will only feel encouraged & emboldened to attack in a more psychotic manner the next time! Here’s how to take on the Obama Jihadi media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Finally watched the video. You’re right… Norah looks like she took a bite out of an apple and found half a worm!

dominigan on October 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Never bring a bayonet to a debate

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Re: Watch Virginia polling

This might be too much to hope for. Northern Virginia depends more on the great expansion of DC bureaucrats/insiders/hangerons, it will outweigh the coastal Virginia.

Sir Napsalot on October 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Now-a-days we heavily arm our embassy station guards with handcuffs and clubs.

‘Cause that’s how we roll in the 21′st Century!

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And, flashlights. Don’t forget the flashlights. ;) Besides, didn’t you know that it’s really the 20th century? Joe Biden told me so.

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Obama is right (with profound humility, yet). With the oceans receding as planned, we will obviously need fewer ships in the Navy. Duh.

fred5678 on October 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The debate last night reminded me of Grant accepting the surrender of Lee at Antietam. He had won the war and he allowed Lee to leave with his sword and Traveller, his horse. He also allowed Lee’s men to leave the battlefield with their weapons, including bayonets, and what remained of their pride. Many thought this was a mistake at the time, but in the long term it facilitated the real victory. The war was over and peace could come.

txmomof6 on October 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Obama lied, horses died

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

What I remember from my history study, there were submarines in the Civil War.

Voter from WA State on October 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You would be correct…they were the Monitor, and the
Merrimac.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Ranger was CV-4, Langley, Saratoga, Lexington came before her.

Ranger was the first US carrier designed as one. Sara and Lex were the first built as carriers. At the time, a hull was a hull and a battlecruiser hull made for a fine carrier hull.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Besides, didn’t you know that it’s really the 20th century? Joe Biden told me so.

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

D’oh! I’m not so good with numbers. Good thing I’m not Vice President!

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You would be correct…they were the Monitor, and the
Merrimac.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

If I was your history teacher I would smack you.

If you’re gonna’ be snarky, call it the Virginia, not Merrimac.

The was also a sub in the revolutionary war y’all numbskulls.

It took ’til the war of northern aggression for there to be a successful submersible craft. Unlucky, but successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I hope Romney spends his first month in office touring our allies apologizing for the idiocy of the past 4 years. “we will never treat our enemies better than our longtime allies ever again.” karma at it’s best. Stewing.

Bensonofben on October 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Now-a-days we heavily arm our embassy station guards with handcuffs and clubs.

‘Cause that’s how we roll in the 21′st Century!

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And, flashlights. Don’t forget the flashlights. ;) Besides, didn’t you know that it’s really the 20th century? Joe Biden told me so.

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

“Step back from the embassy gate or I will be forced to illuminate you!”

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM
.
Its tough to see an attractive Irish Girl on the wrong side…..
They can keep their Maureen Dowdy’s- but let the good looking gals go free.

FlaMurph on October 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

.
Its tough to see an attractive Irish Girl on the wrong side…..
They can keep their Maureen Dowdy’s- but let the good looking gals go free.

FlaMurph on October 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You would be correct…they were the Monitor, and the Merrimac.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

If I was your history teacher I would smack you.

If you’re gonna’ be snarky, call it the Virginia, not Merrimac.

The was also a sub in the revolutionary war y’all numbskulls.

It took ’til the war of northern aggression for there to be a successful submersible craft. Unlucky, but successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I had to do a report on the Merrimac in middle school (1994-1997) and everything I found called it that and my social studies teacher at the time called it that.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

yankee

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

everything I found called it that and my social studies teacher at the time called it that.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Did they call it a submarine too?

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

“Step back from the embassy gate or I will be forced to illuminate you!”

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM

LOL!

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM

D’oh! I’m not so good with numbers. Good thing I’m not Vice President!

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You’ll never get to the White House admitting when you’re wrong, you know. ;)

totherightofthem on October 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

You would be correct…they were the Monitor, and the
Merrimac.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM
If I was your history teacher I would smack you.

If you’re gonna’ be snarky, call it the Virginia, not Merrimac.

The was also a sub in the revolutionary war y’all numbskulls.

It took ’til the war of northern aggression for there to be a successful submersible craft. Unlucky, but successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

NYET.
Merrimac(Viginia) and Monitor were NOT subs.

That thing they pulled out of Charleston Harbour ( Huntly ?) was a Confed. sub from civil war ( War between the States)

There was some kind of one man sunken barrel used in Revolutionary War

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

UNINSTALLING OBAMA…..……………█████████████▒ 95% complete.

Sam Widge on October 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

A poll of eight people. Eight people.

I can just see the HA situation room now: “SPIN FASTER! SPIN FASTER!”

Constantine on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Did they call it a submarine too?

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

No, the big takeaway I got about it was it’s iron armor.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Gumby strangely MIA today?

Still looking for a poll to pull?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Is Gallup broken today? No new numbers at 1 PM.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

That thing they pulled out of Charleston Harbour ( Huntly ?) was a Confed. sub from civil war ( War between the States)

There was some kind of one man sunken barrel used in Revolutionary War

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I’d smack you too if I was your history teacher.

Bushnell’s Turtle was in the revolutionary war. And it wasn’t a puny sunken barrel.

The Hunley was the submersible boat in the civil war.

Though, the Hunley wasn’t the only one.

Geesh, I thought only 0bama was that dumb.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

You would be correct…they were the Monitor, and the
Merrimac.

ToddPA on October 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM
If I was your history teacher I would smack you.

If you’re gonna’ be snarky, call it the Virginia, not Merrimac.

The was also a sub in the revolutionary war y’all numbskulls.

It took ’til the war of northern aggression for there to be a successful submersible craft. Unlucky, but successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM
NYET.
Merrimac(Viginia) and Monitor were NOT subs.

That thing they pulled out of Charleston Harbour ( Huntly ?) was a Confed. sub from civil war ( War between the States)

There was some kind of one man sunken barrel used in Revolutionary War

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The first documented submersible used in combat was the Turtle, used inthe American Revolutionary war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible)

The other two in question are not submersibles, they were iron clad warships. Once they submerged, they did not return to the surface on their own…

End of History lesson…no snark inteneded.

TIdbIT on October 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Derision?

You mean what Michelle Obama had for America until her husband was elected President (when she could be “proud for the first time”)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYY73RO_egw

PappyD61 on October 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

No, the big takeaway I got about it was it’s iron armor.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Lays head on desk and weeps for our future while whispering…ironclad…

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Doesn’t the Obama campaign of late remind you of the old legal saying: “When the facts are on your side, pound the facts, when the law is on your side, pound the law, when neither is on your side, pound the table.”

Fred 2 on October 23, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Is Gallup broken today? No new numbers at 1 PM.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Obama must have sued them again today… at 1pm.

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

No, the big takeaway I got about it was it’s iron armor.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Lays head on desk and weeps for our future while whispering…ironclad…

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

In all honesty I’m surprised that I remember even the name and the fact that it was ironclad as long ago as it was.

Even the Navy itself calls it iron armor if that’s what you are upset about.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-us-cs/csa-sh/csash-sz/virginia.htm

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Hey ! I may have goofed the names ( My bad ) but I had the device and the wars correct.
I am a LOONNGG way from my school days.

BTW. I think a Carrier is referred to as a “boat” as are subs.
As a term of endearment, that is.

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Is Gallup broken today? No new numbers at 1 PM.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

The poll numbers must be too devastating for Obama, so they’re trying to “adjust” it, so Axelrod won’t threaten any new lawsuits.

tkyang99 on October 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

No, the big takeaway I got about it was it’s iron armor.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Lays head on desk and weeps for our future while whispering…ironclad…

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

This is a fascinating story to read! Where can I find more information–book-wise–to read about these war ships/submersibles, etc? I never knew any of what you are talking about…..sigh…public education.

Thanks!

herm2416 on October 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

A couple of paraphrased fantasy exchanges which would have been welcome last night:

O: Mr. Romney should know that we have ships that go under the water.

R: And a CIC should know that, if he were a Plebe at the Naval Academy and called a submarine a ship, he’d be doing 20 pushups while yelling “I am an idiot, Sir!”

R: We have less ships than we had in 1916.

O: We have less horses and bayonets, too.

R: Actually, no. We have more bayonets than we had in 1916 and we still use horses. But, we still have less ships. I recommend more time on a carrier deck and less time on the golf course.

IndieDogg on October 23, 2012 at 1:29 PM

This is a fascinating story to read! Where can I find more information–book-wise–to read about these war ships/submersibles, etc? I never knew any of what you are talking about…..sigh…public education.

Thanks!

herm2416 on October 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Public Library is a wonderful place to start, and your tax dollars help pay for it.

TIdbIT on October 23, 2012 at 1:30 PM

2nd day of early voting in Texas….
At 11:00 AM there was a line….
Everyone looked excited – I don’t think most of the
people I saw voting were Obama supporters.

Vote for Mitt – let’s make it a ROMSLIDE!!!!

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM

if that’s what you are upset about.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The first meeting of two revolutionary designs that would immediately change the world and you think I was upset about what the armor was called? Crimeny man, you did a paper on them!

Hey ! I may have goofed the names ( My bad ) but I had the device and the wars correct.
I am a LOONNGG way from my school days.

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:25 PM

That’s why your smack was not as hard.

But still, THE Turtle, a sunken barrel?

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Seriously? It’s just outside of Cleveland/Akron. I could be wrong, never been to that part of Ohio, but I don’t see how that area could be even slightly conservative.

Norky on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

That’s because it’s not.

buckichick1 on October 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Gallup: Romney 51% Obama 46%

Obama gained one point since yesterday. The spread is now 5 points.

GadsdenRattlers on October 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM

So, let me get this straight. Obama’s been in office for nearly 4 years and this woman is just now finding out about his stance on Israel? And then she thinks he won the debate?

Really?

It takes a president 4 years to get his foreign policy across to Americans?

Stupid people are ruining this country.

ButterflyDragon on October 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM

A few points:

1) After Obama’s comatose performance in the 1st debate, his 2nd and 3rd debates plus Biden’s debate they both looked like 2 jack4sses, with Biden yelling, interrupting, and laughing at Ryan condescendingly, with the Obama campaign’s running with Romney’s gaffes during rallies (e.g. the binder comment), and last night’s “horses and bayonettes” comments.

This reminds me of mafia-type leadership where the guy that is the biggest macho and has the best aggressive denigrating comebacks is in charge.

2) Obama keeps saying that Romney’s plan to invest in the military is something the military “never asked for”. No pundit has mentioned this yet, but it isn’t the military that determines the policy, but the president. It’s the whole thing of having the military leadership being subject to that civilian leadership and its decisions. Is Obama suggesting the military should decide on its own policy and the hardware it needs to support that policy?

AlexB on October 23, 2012 at 1:39 PM

herm2416 on October 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Wiki ought to have the short versions and links to better stuff.

Just search for:

Bushnell’s turtle
Monitor and Merrrimac(k)/CSS Virginia
CSS Hunley…with this one, there should be links to her contemporaries. Though never used, their stories are as interesting as the Hunley.

And Mr. Holland’s boats are the first successful submersible warships. USS Holland should get the ball rolling there.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Gallup:

51/46

+5 Romney

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

The 6 who said Romney only saif it because of thier racial hatred! Just ask Crissy.

Minnfidel on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

2nd day of early voting in Texas….
At 11:00 AM there was a line….
Everyone looked excited – I don’t think most of the
people I saw voting were Obama supporters.

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Where?

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

But still, THE Turtle, a sunken barrel?

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

They had to start somewhere.
If a barrel held water in, it could hold water out.
Had explosives on the end of a long pole correct ?
Was succesful, but did not survive the attack. IIRC

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Re: my 1st point above, in terms of “winning” the debates, Obama/Ryan may have come off as the ones who dominated the debate by bullying Romney and Ryan (or trying to), but there wasn’t much substance. Those unbecoming quips weren’t followed up with substantive policy suggestions.

AlexB on October 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

It wasn’t a barrel, and the attack was not successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Gallup:

51/46

+5 Romney

So Obama gained a point, Romney still at 51%. Still looking pretty good.

My guess by next week it will be something like 52/47.

tkyang99 on October 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

It wasn’t a barrel, and the attack was not successful.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I’m behind so I’ll stop.
Obama should do the same.

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

BTW, who wants to bet that the Dems and leftist media starts mentioning Gallup again as a “reputable poll that shows the race tightening in Obama’s favor”?

They’re waaay too predictable.

tkyang99 on October 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Gallup:

51/46

+5 Romney

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Or what Play-Doh quaintly refers to as Gallup getting “back to reality”?

Del Dolemonte on October 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Public Library is a wonderful place to start, and your tax dollars help pay for it.

TIdbIT on October 23, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Thank you! Yes, the library was my starting point, but I needed a wee bit more information to be able to find a good book or two.

herm2416 on October 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

IBD/TIPP starting to come back to reality.

Now only +2 Obama

Zybalto on October 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

For the IBD/TIPP tacker,

Forgot to mention that Romney is ahead +13 with independents.

Zybalto on October 23, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Sorry to come off hard on y’all.

But these are the things that inspire the current innovators.

IIRC, the Hunley inspired Jules Verne who inspired Rickover to make the Nautilus, the first true submarine.

If it weren’t for the Wright brothers and Glenn Curtiss, there wouldn’t be aircraft carriers.

Without them, 0bama wouldn’t have his snark about submarine ships and aircraft carriers. Which means, we would need more horses and bayonets.

And I really doubt 0bama knows any of that. Its what he thinks of American exceptionalism and our ability to solve problems. And 0bama is trying to get the rest of America to forget that as well.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Obama CRATERING on IBD/TIPP:

D.M. Hawkins ‏@HawkinsUSA

IDB/TIPP has Obama up just 46.5-44.5%. Was up 6 two days ago, 4 points yesterday. Romney up 13 with Indies. Overly optimistic D+7

Indies 49/36 for Romney

Oooof

Chuck Schick on October 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Gallup survey of party affiliation pref for 1-21 Oct: Dem 34.3% GOP 34.1% Ind 31.6%

TIPP using D +7.

At this point, polling is losing it’s value as a weapon. Samples will come back to reality.

Preference cascade commence.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Gallup survey of party affiliation pref for 1-21 Oct: Dem 34.3% GOP 34.1% Ind 31.6%

TIPP using D +7.

At this point, polling is losing it’s value as a weapon. Samples will come back to reality.

Preference cascade commence.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

And Rasmussen is still D+4 last I saw. Their Sept voter ID is R+2.6. When they adjust towards parity, it’s hardhat time in Chicago.

Chuck Schick on October 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Obama down to 57% on inTrade!!!

And stock market tanking too….double whammy for Obama.

tkyang99 on October 23, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I believe the Hunley is on display near Charleston, SC.
She was raised a few years ago and has been undergoing conservation measures.
Crew was around a dozen sailors.
Some crew artifacts were still onboard.
If memory serves, she was successful in sinking a Union ship that was part of the Charleston blockade.
No confirmed reason for her sinking.

dirtengineer on October 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Not hard on me at all.
Not the first time I’ve been schooled and surely will not be the last.
Just recognizing that some knows more than I do.
It’s not unusual.
That guy that was holed up in the Turtle was one brave soul.

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Gallup:

51/46

+5 Romney

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

The bad news for Barky and his puppies is that Romeny has been consistently over 50% since the 1st debate…that is not likely to change in the next two weeks…

Strike Hornet on October 23, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I had to do a report on the Merrimac in middle school (1994-1997) and everything I found called it that and my social studies teacher at the time called it that.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I remember it as the Merrimac as well.

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I remember it as the Merrimac as well.

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 3:47 PM

yankee

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM

yankee

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Winners get naming rights.

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Winners get naming rights.

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yep. no matter how wrong they are.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Yep. no matter how wrong they are.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM

First Bull Run/Second Bull Run
Antietam

Oh the butthurt!

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Oh the butthurt!

Nick_Angel on October 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Yep

Y’all also got to name the Andrews Raid.

Under the rules of war, all of them should have been executed.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I loved how Obama nailed Romney on bayonets. Romney still thinks keeping hundreds of military bases operating domestically and abroad is neccessary to fight a terror war.

Faramir on October 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM

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