Video: CBS focus group in Ohio picks Romney the winner

posted at 11:21 am on October 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Charlie Rose and Norah O’Donnell seem a little surprised by the results of this focus group conducted by CBS during last night’s debate, a group that consists of eight undecided voters in Ohio — a critical swing state for both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.  Conventional wisdom and spot polls showed Obama winning a narrow victory over Romney in last night’s debate, but that’s not how CBS’ independents saw it:

That’s 6-2 for Romney, and a couple of other interesting points.  Obama tried very hard to belittle Romney in his response about the Navy, and that clearly backfired.  While panelists cheered the more civil tone after two debates of constant interruptions, Obama’s testiness and scorn came across all the more strongly when it appeared.  Romney succeeded in clearing what Ronald Brownstein called the “commander bar” by appearing more in control of himself and more focused on the future:

Foreign-policy debates between the presidential contenders follow a more predictable pattern than encounters over domestic policy. Inevitably, the challenger accuses the incumbent of indecision and drift and explains how he will bend the world more to his will by showing strength and leadership; the incumbent, with more gray hair than four years earlier—some of which was acquired in long, frustrating negotiations with other nations—tries to explain, without appearing defeatist, that the world isn’t always so easy to command.

Monday night’s final encounter between President Obama and Mitt Romney honored all of those conventions, albeit with fewer sparks than have marked previous such events. … or any challenger, the principal goal in a foreign-policy debate is to cross the bar as commander in chief. For most voters, Romney probably cleared that bar, but he didn’t vault over it.

Speaking of swing states, I mentioned the Rasmussen national tracking poll earlier today.  What about their swing-state tracking poll? While remembering that this won’t have any reaction to last night’s debate, Romney has now moved to a five-point lead in the swing states:

The full Swing State tracking update offers Rasmussen Reader subscribers a combined view of the results from 11 key states won by President Obama in 2008 and thought to be competitive in 2012. The states collectively hold 146 Electoral College votes and include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. …

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 50% of the vote to Obama’s 45%. Two percent (2%) like another candidate in the race, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

This is now the third time Romney has hit the 50% mark in the combined swing states in the past four days and is the biggest lead either candidate has held in nearly three weeks. This survey is conducted on a rolling seven-day basis, and as a result, virtually all of the interviews for today’s update were completed before the end of last night’s presidential debate. Romney has now held a modest lead for 12 of the last 15 days; Obama was ahead twice, and the candidates ran even once.

Romney has an eleven-point lead among independents, 48/37, in these swing states.  That’s a huge problem for Obama.  Romney also has a +15 among men (54/39) and only a -5 among women (44/49) for a +10 gender gap, an enormous shift from 2008.  If these swing state voters in Ohio are at all representative, that’s not going to change as a result of last night’s debate.

Update: Breitbart’s Michael Patrick Leahy thinks Obama may have done himself no favors in Virginia with his snide comment on the Navy, either:

Mr. Obama’s snarky “horses and bayonets” line also backfired. As several Marines and Army veterans tweeted during the debate, Marines still use bayonets. In fact, had the President chosen to station Marines at Benghazi, as he should have, Marines would in all likelihood have used their bayonets when the mission there was attacked. Also, the Army’s Special Forces currently use horses in the mountains of Afghanistan.

But the President’s third self delivered strike is the one that is likely to have the greatest political cost. When he belittled the notion that increasing the current size of our Navy–as Governor Romney suggested–was not worthy of consideration because this “is not a game of Battleship,” he effectively wrote off the State of Virginia, where the Navy’s Norfolk base plays such a huge role in the local economy.

That’s a very interesting point.  Watch Virginia polling — and see whether Team Romney goes with ads in coastal Virginia to emphasize Obama’s derision.


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Like I posted in another thread, Norah and Charlie act as if their dog had just died.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Wait! You mean that undecided voters are allowed to have their own opinions … beyond what the media thinks they ought to have?

aunursa on October 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Funny, that didn’t happen at the CNN focus group. The censors cut them off.

Oil Can on October 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

The look on Norah O’Donnell’s face at 29 sec mark is priceless.

rcpjr on October 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Those dirty racists.

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Aizen on October 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Pronto on those VA ads mitt

Can’t see cbs video dang it

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I love that headline that just got bumped from the homepage about liberals living in a cocoon. No cocoons here at Hot Air!

Alpha_Male on October 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Obama probably means that corpse-men don’t use bayonets.

Fred 2 on October 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The CBS and CNN undecided focus groups show who really won the debates.

dogsoldier on October 23, 2012 at 11:29 AM

hehehehehe, owe’bama sunk his own battleship!

Dr. Demento on October 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Romney’s Response should have been: “Well Mr. President, maybe if our ambassador to Libya along with his security detail had horses and bayonets they may still be a live today. Instead you ignored their request for more security and now they are dead”

brewcrew67 on October 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

The look of disappointment on the faces of these liberal CBS hack commentators is PRICELESS! Lol. MSM FAIL!

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

But the President’s third self delivered strike is the one that is likely to have the greatest political cost. When he belittled the notion that increasing the current size of our Navy–as Governor Romney suggested–was not worthy of consideration because this “is not a game of Battleship,” he effectively wrote off the State of Virginia, where the Navy’s Norfolk base plays such a huge role in the local economy.

I had a suspicion that this would backfire on Obama in any states that have contracts to build ships. I was pretty sure that Virginia was one such case. It also hurts Obama in Pascagoula, Mississippi, but that’s not going to be a swing state like Virginia. I think the same could be said for Mobile, Alabama., and probably Pensacola, Florida, which is somewhat of a swing state.

tom on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

“Oh…it looks like…*deep breath*…Romney won over more people…is it hot in here….I don’t feel so good….oh my…I feel like I’m going to puke….”

Bishop on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I think November 6th is going to be an eye opener for the MSM. Remember though, if (when) Romney wins they will not go away.

rollthedice on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

It’s plainly evident with the “Horses, Bayonets, and Ships” comment that even after 4 years, Obama has no clue about the military. In fact, it seems to me that he refused the even try to learn the last 4 years.

I’m biased; I didn’t like the guy in 2008, and half-expected this. But you would think that after 4 years, they guy would gain *some* appreciation of the tools at his disposal.

JeffWeimer on October 23, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Obama never answered the “Apology Tour” question, either. Instead, he went off on some tangent about when he was a candidate. Not effective.

SailorMark on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Like I posted in another thread, Norah and Charlie act as if their dog had just died.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Shhh, not so loud, Barky will want to eat it.

Thomas More on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Stupid question – how are these focus groups formed? Should they be representative of the population that they’re culled from? The photo looks to have all whites on the panel.

Not trying to be snarky – just wondering what sort of criteria is used in forming these groups.

Hill60 on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

As several Marines and Army veterans tweeted during the debate, Marines still use bayonets. In fact, had the President chosen to station Marines at Benghazi, as he should have, Marines would in all likelihood have used their bayonets when the mission there was attacked. Also, the Army’s Special Forces currently use horses in the mountains of Afghanistan.

D’oh!

Obama’s problem is that he’s so far removed from the U.S. military that he didn’t even play with G.I. Joes when he was little.

Seriously, though, here again we have an example of a clown who simply hasn’t lived in the real world. These screw ups bring to mind all those doctors taking out tonsils rather than prescribing penicillin or amputating legs rather than providing alternative treatments for diabetes.

Obama is a guy who doesn’t merely act stupidly–he thinks stupidly.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Bishop on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Heh.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

0bama thinks to look assertive and in charge he has to belittle those he is dealing with. true leaders dont do that and dont need to do that to deliver a message. romney did great by not falling into that trap. 0bama wanted to “do the dozens” and no way romney would win that fight and he would come off looking as petty and vindictive as 0bama.

chasdal on October 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM

B-b-but Joe Biden says Romney doesn’t know how to tie his shoelaces!

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM

If the D advantage is no more than + 2 (I still think an even split, or a R + 1 or 2 is possible), how does Obama win? Any swing state that has a D advantage of + 2 or less will go to Romney because of the 10 point advantage with independents.

mwbri on October 23, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

The CNN focus group was the most staged group I have ever seen. Soledad O’Brien was getting them to mock Romney, laughing it up and having a good ol’ liberal time.

portlandon on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

These goofs are really simplistic in their understanding of the undecided voter.
It is not that they are undecided about either BHO or Mitt, it is a choice of not voting or Mitt.

A president’s approval ratings are always MORE than the popular vote that they receive; some people just don’t think they approve enough to go out and vote for the guy. BHO is in the mid 40′s on approval, a death sentence for his administration.

The undecides will break predominately of Mitt, with the remainder split between NV and BHO.

Remember how many Reps/Conservatives sat out 2008, b/c McCain just could not mobilize enough interest. Mitt is showing up as much more interesting than McCain.

gonnjos on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

This focus group: the two who raised their hands for Obama were women. All of the men raised their hands for Romney.

Dextrous on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

M M MM M… The smell of defeat is soooooooooo sweet!!

Obama is out for the count!!

Makes me laugh… bwaaaaahhhhhhh (evilly)…

Scrumpy on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Charlie seemed especially sad.

earlgrey133 on October 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

The photo looks to have all whites on the panel.

Hill60 on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I don’t think too many blacks are “undecided”.

SailorMark on October 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

The mocking about the aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines was especially un-Presidential. It was also confusing, as I’m not sure why he was mocking Romney about these ships given that Romney wants to add more of these kinds of ships to the Navy.

Romney made a good choice to be subdued and commanding. He was a stark contrast to the interrupting Obama, complete with straw-men and arrogance.

Nethicus on October 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Charlie Rose and Norah O’Donnell seem a little surprised by the results of this focus group conducted by CBS during last night’s debate, a group that consists of eight undecided voters in Ohio — a critical swing state for both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

These were obviously moles planted by Karl Rove, Dick Armey, and the Koch brothers. The CBS staffer(s) who assembled them will be executed at dawn tomorrow.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Like I posted in another thread, Norah and Charlie act as if their dog had just died.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

..Charlie Rose always looks like his dog has just died. If ever there as a man in dire need of a gallon of prune juice and a good enema, he be it!

The War Planner on October 23, 2012 at 11:38 AM

“The submarines acted stupidly.”

cep on October 23, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Stupid question – how are these focus groups formed? Should they be representative of the population that they’re culled from? The photo looks to have all whites on the panel.

Not trying to be snarky – just wondering what sort of criteria is used in forming these groups.

Hill60 on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Not a stupid question.
Panel was of “Undecided” voters.
If you are looking for AA representation on such a panel, you’d be hard pressed to find an undecided one. Poll after poll shows overwhelming support for the President from that particular demographic.

Jabberwock on October 23, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I’m no military expert, but it appears that zero is not aware that one of those aircraft carriers is really the center of a carrier battle group. I don’t know how many other ships are part of a carrier battle group, but it’s not insignificant.

Oh, also, he’s probably fired some of them there cruise missiles from the deck of some obsolete Navy cruiser he derided.

president putz!

freedomfirst on October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

brewcrew67 on October 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

OR, “Cavalry and bayonets were more protection than Amb Stevens had on Sept 11, 2012″.

gonnjos on October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I’ve always liked Norah, but her desperation to be an MSNBC pundit a few years ago really damaged her objectivity, which she held to pretty well for sometime.

FYI – heading producer of CBS ‘Morning is former head producer of Morning Joe…so, he’s got the right format, and people, but he can’t bring himself to go centrist-right. Could be execs, peer pressure, ideology, or a combination.

budfox on October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Like I posted in another thread, Norah and Charlie act as if their dog had just died.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

It did. Obama ate it.

conservativemusician on October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Obama won the debate because the hard left loves it when their guy acts like a petty jerk and the hard right was disappointed Romney didn’t attack Obama more. However, the squishy middle where independents and undecideds congregate will like Romney more after this debate.

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

For most voters, Romney probably cleared that bar, but he didn’t vault over it.

I don’t want a foreign policy vaulter. McCain was such a vaulter; he never saw a foreign country he didn’t want to invade so he could show who was boss. Aaargh! The new Teddy Roosevelt. Whatever. And I have to admit that I was taken in by that line of bluster at the time, since compared to weak-kneed Democratic pacifists, it all seemed like a pretty good deal.

Times have changed, though. Our country is almost bankrupt and the Federal Reserve is trying its best to make every dollar we’ve earned and saved become the new nickel. Spread the wealth, right? Romney is, especially compared to Obama, a true vaulter when it comes to economic policies. That’s where it counts–at least to me– these days.

Burke on October 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Norah O’Donnell seemed to be having a Soledad O’Brien-level conniption when the focus group results came back. How DARE they pick Romney!

DarthBrooks on October 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Did you really just say, “They are too specific.”? What does that mean, you would prefer that they be dumbed down for Obama voters?
By the way, we’re not turning back, we’re just turning on to the RIGHT path instead of the wrong one we’re on now.
Romney/Ryan 2012!!!

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I agree that she’s very appealing. Then, she starts speaking, and you realize that she’s a moronic liberal. Her husband can keep her.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Wait! You mean that undecided voters are allowed to have their own opinions … beyond what the media thinks they ought to have?

aunursa on October 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

By definition? No. Undecided voters are complete idiots. They will do what the media tells them in the end. Luckily for us, less people believe the lies the media tells them every year. No one goes from being “undecided” to liberal, because undecided is liberal. Undecided means you want people to think you’re a unique special snowflake. But it is a sad mask that covers up a gaping feeling of inadequacy.

Liberals believe their own nonsense because they want to feel better about themselves. They don’t believe in God, or country or family or life. They need something to believe in… They found this something with mr hopenchange, the personification of liberalism. Undecideds are not really any different, they want to feel better about themselves but are so insecure that they want everyone’s approval, not just fellow liberals. They are also the most intellectually uncurious people you’ll ever meet.

happytobehere on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Who needs a constant upgrade in quality and numbers of any stupid, ol’ Navy?

China is a staunch ally of America. China’s navy isn’t going to be a problem. China has good intentions in the Pacific rim. China isn’t interested in expanding its fleet – and doesn’t have any interest in aircraft carriers.

Move on, The Misfit Commie has everything under control.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Seriously, I think each of the networks are going to need grief counselors for all of their news anchors and reporters.

Add suicide watch for MSNBC.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

This focus group: the two who raised their hands for Obama were women. All of the men raised their hands for Romney.

Dextrous on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

4 Men for Romney
2 Women for Romney
2 Women for Obama.

This is consistent with the gender polling we see. Women are almost evenly split on Obama/Romney.

portlandon on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

I called it before the debate yesterday. Romney cool calm collected. Obama, desperate and snotty.

Paul-Cincy on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Charlie Rose and Norah O’Donnell seem a little surprised by the results of this focus group conducted by CBS during last night’s debate, a group that consists of eight undecided voters in Ohio — a critical swing state for both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

I know this is an old cliché but nevertheless it’s appropriate in this case; Rose and O’Donnell firmly believe “denial” is a large river in Egypt.

rplat on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Obama does not need bayonets, horses and a Navy. He thinks he can make the whole world fall in line, armed with just his trusty teleprompter…

Antivenin on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The photo looks to have all whites on the panel.

Hill60 on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM
I don’t think too many blacks are “undecided”.

SailorMark on October 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Nicely played, Sailor Mark!!!!! :)

Old Fritz on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Seriously, I think each of the networks are going to need grief counselors for all of their news anchors and reporters.

Add suicide watch for MSNBC.

WisRich on October 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

No way.

I’ll be one of the people in the crowd below the NBCBSABCNNMSLSD buildings chanting: JUMP! JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!

portlandon on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The look of disappointment on the faces of these liberal CBS hack commentators is PRICELESS! Lol. MSM FAIL!

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Yeah, that is what I really noticed. These pundits just can’t believe that people are not choosing the – cough – Chosen One.

TarheelBen on October 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

The stock market is imploding too. Obama’s last hope is Gloria Allred.

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I am voting for Romney today.

I did not vote for Obama in 08….

How anyone could even entertain the notion of voting for Obama is beyond me.

Tell me – Obama voters – why?

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM

It’s plainly evident with the “Horses, Bayonets, and Ships” comment that even after 4 years, Obama has no clue about the military. In fact, it seems to me that he refused the even try to learn the last 4 years.

I’m biased; I didn’t like the guy in 2008, and half-expected this. But you would think that after 4 years, they guy would gain *some* appreciation of the tools at his disposal.

JeffWeimer on October 23, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Yes he never learned anything of importance on how to govern the greatest nation in history even though he has been President for over 45 months. Why? Because he is the most incompetent and the most arrogant President ever… There is nothing worse than the combination of incompetence and arrogance…

mnjg on October 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Can they spell, A P O P L E X Y ?

kens on October 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM

The stock market is imploding too. Obama’s last hope is Gloria Allred.

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Then he is toast – Gloria Allred has no credibility…..

I guess Obama is busy looking at video feeds from drones flying over Libya…..

Maybe he will launch some cruise missiles from those boats that go under the water
to show how kick ass he is???

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM

How can Romney be ahead by 5 in the Ras swing state polling and still trailing Obama in the separate Ohio, Wis, Iowa, etc polls?

It just doesn’t make any sense.

tkyang99 on October 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Obama does not need bayonets, horses and a Navy. He thinks he can make the whole world fall in line, armed with just his trusty teleprompter…

Antivenin on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Yes he truly believes this crap… That is how stupid, arrogant, and incompetent this fool is…

mnjg on October 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I don’t know if she’s the “hottest,” but she is probably the most classically beautiful.

GOPRanknFile on October 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I am voting for Romney today.

I did not vote for Obama in 08….

How anyone could even entertain the notion of voting for Obama is beyond me.

Tell me – Obama voters – why?

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Obamaphones!!111!!!!ELEVENTY!!!!

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

The stock market is imploding too. Obama’s last hope is Gloria Allred.

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

DOW crashing 240+ points.

sentinelrules on October 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Found it interesting that the panel moderator, after asking if they’d now made up their mind as to whom they’d be voting for, didn’t ask for a show of hands as to which candidate. Perhaps he was afraid the votes would favor Romney after they chose him 6-2 as the debate winner.

TXUS on October 23, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I think November 6th is going to be an eye opener for the MSM. Remember though, if (when) Romney wins they will not go away.

rollthedice on October 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

.
Well, not immediately, but the MSM is dying out.

Remember the survey from a little while ago where 60% of ALL Americans no longer trust the MSM?

The MSM is being tuned out by more and more Americans. These are For Profit businesses fighting for a dwindling viewership. The executives who run those businesses are going to have to decide if they are going to shut down the divisions that are not making profits or drastically alter their programming to try to win viewers back.

Personally, I looking forward to the day when multiple liberal pundits ALL get their unemployment notices and find out what the real world is really like.

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

How soon are we going to start seeing the Obama-campaign-finger-pointing articles?

I can’t stand any of them: Axelrod, Plouffe, Cutter, Gibbs, Burton, et al.

I hope they all get dumped into political Hades.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Obama does not need bayonets, horses and a Navy. He thinks he can make the whole world fall in line, armed with just his trusty teleprompter…

Antivenin on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I find it extremely hypocritical that Obama’s supporters complained that our nation kills innocents during the wars on terror of 2002-2008, yet Obama can drop Drone bombs all over the world killing thousands of innocent civilians and suddenly they are okay with it.

portlandon on October 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The stock market is imploding too. Obama’s last hope is Gloria Allred.

Wigglesworth on October 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The Dow? Pfftt, Well, relax. Someone really smart once told us “At a certain point, you’ve made enough money.”

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I suspect this could generate a debate that would pale the current presidential campaign . . . but that’s for another day.

rplat on October 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I agree that she’s very appealing. Then, she starts speaking, and you realize that she’s a moronic liberal. Her husband can keep her.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

That’s why God created duct tape. ;-)

TXUS on October 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Watch Virginia polling — and see whether Team Romney goes with ads in coastal Virginia to emphasize Obama’s derision.

I would. I’d cut an ad, send it out to the coast, and call it a Hellfire – because it’s fire and forget with that one. Devastatingly stupid for Obama.

Red Cloud on October 23, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I thought maybe it was just me the first time I saw this, but watching again, I noticed that the woman in the front who said she thought Obama won looked disgusted and then sad that the rest of the group thought Romney won. Like she sort of shook her head thinking “whatever these people are stupid” and then she stopped and her face sort of dropped like she was thinking “Oh no, Obama is going to lose.”

Also that woman in the back that got all of the speaking time made me disappointed that I was born and raised in the same state as her. She was trying to act thoughtful, but she came off as stupid by thinking that she finally knew Obama’s true stance on Israel.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

Also, Norah ODonell is hands down the hottest woman in news.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I agree that she’s very appealing. Then, she starts speaking, and you realize that she’s a moronic liberal. Her husband can keep her.

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Meh. Put duct tape over her mouth and she’s as useful as a blowup doll. I’ll take the brainy women of Fox News any day.

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

“Mine is bigger than yours.”

Check out the lapel pin size.

Yep…Romney’s is bigger.

BobMbx on October 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM

My dh works at the base in Norfolk (civilian engineer for DoD). And this

When he belittled the notion that increasing the current size of our Navy–as Governor Romney suggested–was not worthy of consideration because this “is not a game of Battleship,” he effectively wrote off the State of Virginia, where the Navy’s Norfolk base plays such a huge role in the local economy.

is exactly what I thought when I heard that comment.

CJ on October 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The first unit in Afghanistan after 9/11 was a Special Forces group that had to learn how to ride horses in order to complete their mission. There was even a book published about it this year.

Fix bayonets!

pookysgirl on October 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I liked the horses and bayonets line. Barky’s idea of war is watching a video after a round of golf, putting some checks in the kill list, and sending those coolio drone things in.

It’s all so neat and tidy to him.

I think he wrote off the military vote a while ago anyway so who cares? Forward!

CorporatePiggy on October 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

The photo looks to have all whites on the panel.

Hill60 on October 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I don’t think too many blacks are “undecided”.

SailorMark on October 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Nicely played, Sailor Mark!!!!! :)

Old Fritz on October 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Looks like SailorMark was a submariner. What a torpedo shot.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

We all know in our heart of hearts and deep in our souls who will win the presidency…

We don’t need any stinking biased polls to tell us lies and to try and dispirit us…

I am NOT moved by polls…

I BELIEVE with all my heart that R&R will win this election.

My glass is FULL!!

Scrumpy on October 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Uh Oh…pokedinmygummy must be experiencing a tremendous case of ButtHurt right about now….

He sure was squawking about the CNN thing last night…..

BigWyo on October 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I can`t wait to see the poll results of Barry`s disrespect (intentional or otherwise) to our men and women in uniform. The guy is myopic beyond belief…the petulant knee jerk President.

NY Conservative on October 23, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I didn’t see any black person on this panel.

nonpartisan on October 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM

It was a pannel of undecideds. You know, the swing vote. It wasn’t a panel of Obama’s built in 12%.

jhffmn on October 23, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Romney won CNN poll that Obama ‘won’

Half of those questioned say that the debate did not affect how they would vote, with 25% saying they are more likely to vote for Romney and 24% saying they are more likely to cast a ballot for Obama.

faraway on October 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

The shock and awe of the media is worth watching. Thanks. They really are not liking this.

But I am.

petunia on October 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Have to wonder what the people at Newport News,VA are thinking today… and at Groton, CT, come to that. Plus all the other shipyards for the Navy. This entire line of what we have being enough isn’t going to sit too well… and Navy sub-contractors are spread across the US… their way of reminding politicians to be very careful about what they cut.

ajacksonian on October 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Bayonets and guns, so last century….Pffft.

Now-a-days we heavily arm our embassy station guards with handcuffs and clubs.

‘Cause that’s how we roll in the 21′st Century!

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Obama hops on his horse, grabs his bayonet, and rides off into his snark-filled retirement.

Hi-yo Sliver!

profitsbeard on October 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Where in the world did you get that from? Steubenville is D city. There are 6 Ds for every R.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I didn’t mind Obama’s “horses and bayonets” comment all that much, as his point was reasonable, though it was immediately apparent to me he got the “bayonets” wrong.

It did skirt the more important issue, in my mind, and I was surprised Romney didn’t respond by pointing it out, but that could be because Romney knew that Obama would take the opposite position to whatever he said and Romney’s intention was to play the Norfolk strategy.

The more important issue Romney let slide was the 313 ships isn’t Romney’s idea, it’s the Navy’s and Romney’s pretty sure the Navy knew all about the horses and bayonets argument and that it is already baked in the cake of the 313 ships. The point is that if Obama thinks the low two hundreds in ships is acceptable, what aspects of the philosophy and strategy inherent in need for 313 ships has Obama decided aren’t important or are now revised such that low two hundreds will meet them in the future.

And just as importantly, when did we, as a country, have that discussion on that philosophy and strategy?

Dusty on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Mr. Obama’s snarky “horses and bayonets” line also backfired. As several Marines and Army veterans tweeted during the debate, Marines still use bayonets. In fact, had the President chosen to station Marines at Benghazi, as he should have, Marines would in all likelihood have used their bayonets when the mission there was attacked. Also, the Army’s Special Forces currently use horses in the mountains of Afghanistan.

During the invasion of Iraq, mechanized tanks were fine for sweeping across the desert from Kuwait to reach Baghdad. But once the “insurgency” started in the Sunni Triangle, the “surge” consisted of American infantrymen occupying those cities and fraternizing with the locals, and entering houses suspected of harboring hostile forces. A soldier or Marine breaking into a door, not sure who or what awaits him on the other side, would find a bayonet very useful for unexpected close-range combat.

Also, during the early stages of the war in Afghanistan, American tanks were having trouble rooting out the Taliban from Mazar-e-Sharif, but were greatly aided by Northern Alliance soldiers on horseback. There’s no question that man is far more vulnerable on horseback than in a tank, but a well-trained horse is much more maneuverable in difficult terrain for a “hit and run” type attack. Both are needed in the modern military.

Steve Z on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Did they say the focus group took place in Steubenville? If so, that’s a pretty conservative part of the state, and I wonder why CBS chose that city in Ohio.

DrStock on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Seriously? It’s just outside of Cleveland/Akron. I could be wrong, never been to that part of Ohio, but I don’t see how that area could be even slightly conservative.

Norky on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

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