Enviros reprimand the candidates: Wherefore, climate change?

posted at 5:21 pm on October 23, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I keep a special Twitter list of hardcore liberals and green groups specifically to stay in tune with the vagaries of the environmental movement, and as presidential debate season wrapped up last night, there appeared to be a growing consensus among the eco-lefties that their pet issue of climate change has been given an undeserved back seat in this election cycle. Heck, forget the back seat — this is the first time climate change hasn’t been featured as a specific campaign issue since 1988, via the NYT:

…The presidential debates are now over, and not once did climate change surface explicitly as an issue. This campaign is the first time that has happened since 1988, and environmental groups – and environmentally minded voters – are aghast.

“By ignoring climate change, both President Obama and Governor Romney are telling the rest of the world that they do not take it seriously, and that America cannot be expected to act with the intensity and urgency needed to avert catastrophe,” Erich Pica, president of Friends of the Earth Action, said in a statement. …

Well before Monday’s final campaign debate, environmental groups dubbed the situation “climate silence” and even set up a Web site in an effort to force the issue into the campaign. …

In the second debate, the candidates spent more than 10 minutes talking about energy policy, yet the “c” word never came up. Candy Crowley of CNN, who moderated that debate, explained on the air afterward that while she knew that “you climate change people” wanted the subject raised, she felt that most voters preferred that the debate stay focused on the economy.

Despite President Obama’s consistent defense of his plans to bring about the green-energy jobs and economy that he somehow miraculously knows are “of the future,” the core policy of which implies the need to address climate change (but in practice seems a bit more attentive to the concerns of donors, crony-friends, and lobbies), the environmentalists don’t seem to feel that he’s expressed the level of openness and urgency for which they’re looking. He was supposed to be the great leader and champion of ‘receding oceans and a healing planet,’ but his campaign pretty firmly made it clear that they didn’t intend to make a big election issue out of it, and as for Mitt Romney’s plan to pretty much just allow free enterprise to do its own thing in the energy sector? Forget that.

Once more, I unleash my free-market-environmentalist plea into the ether: Contrary to what the greener-than-thou crowd might think, small-government free-market conservatives aren’t actually any fonder of dirty water, polluted air, diminishing resources, or catastrophic natural disasters than you are, nor are they so stubbornly convinced that planet earth is a static place immune from any changes in temperature. But the fact that the environmental movement always seems to be driven by big-government, social-control enthusiasts armed with gobs of egregiously prejudiced, agenda-driven “climate science” that almost unfailingly points to diminished economic prosperity as the only possible solution, it’s no wonder people get just a mite skeptical.

The sooner everyone realizes that wealthier societies are healthier societies; that free enterprise and private property are better suited to environmental quality than bureaucracy; that competition and technological innovation mean that we can become both richer and cleaner; that people just care more about the environment only when they have the luxury to do so; and that, above all, people respond better to freedom and profit initiatives than they do to command and control, the more the whole idea would be. I know that takes the “we must protect mother earth at all costs and decrease the harmful human population”-fun out of things, but there it is. These self-fulfilling prophecies of gloom and doom are just plain counterproductive.


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Gore made off with a 100 million, what does he care anymore.

rob verdi on October 23, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Let them vote green.

cozmo on October 23, 2012 at 5:24 PM

They would have better luck donning orange robes and handing out flowers in airports.

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Wherefore, climate change?

It went the way of the horse, the bayonet, and the underwater ship.

Lily on October 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

They would have better luck donning orange robes and handing out flowers in airports.

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 5:24 PM

that’s gotta hurt.

chemman on October 23, 2012 at 5:26 PM

There has been no Global Warming in 16 years…

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 23, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Of equal importance, I noticed the NHL lockout was not discussed either.

Ellis on October 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

“Wherefore” means “Why?”

You probably meant “Whither”

FBones on October 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

but still, he DID create the internet, so one out of two aint bad…
/

Strike Hornet on October 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Oh well, ……the real question is what does Trump have up his sleeve for tomorrow?

Tater Salad on October 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I’ve yet to hear a serious candidate (outside of San Francisco) bring up scrotum inflation. Politicians are quite fickle about what topics they discuss.

[Oh, and thanks to Zombie and the photo essays, there are certain images that have been seared into my mind. Thanks for nothin'!]

BobMbx on October 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Obama’s unemployment rate has all ready cut our carbon footprint enough to satisfy all but the most fanatical environmentalist.

meci on October 23, 2012 at 5:29 PM

If you want to win your election you don’t talk about climate change… it’s a loser. None of the politicians are talking about climate change because they want to win their elections.

Far too many people are now aware that man-made Climate Change is an enormous HOAX and only scammers and con-artists talk about it and try to promote it.

The Great Global Warming Swindle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE

Global Warming Doomsday Called Off
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295#

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Axion on October 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Screw the environmental tyrants.

Besides doing everything they can to de-industrialize the world and kill millions of people, virtually all the money they get comes from taxpayers or other leftists (who probably get their money from taxpayers).

They lie, falsify, cheat and will do anything to attain their commie goals.

Lastly, for enviro-commies it’s always do what I say, not what I do. Enviro-commies will never sacrifice their luxuries or fossil fuels for Gaia … only the little people should suffer.

darwin on October 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Oh well, ……the real question is what does Trump have up his sleeve for tomorrow?

Something that will embarrass the Romney campaign more than Obama, I suspect. If it’s these supposed divorce papers, not only won’t anyone give a darn, but people will probably feel sympathetic towards the Obamas more than anything.

Trump really oughtn’t be encouraged. He only think his actions through as far as they put him in the spotlight for a few seconds.

Carolina21 on October 23, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Asylum West (aka San Freakasisco) is now grumbling that not only were there no mentions of “climate change” (hmmm, I wonder what happened to prior definition “global warming”), but then ask why is it that Israel was mentioned 31 times. Hmmm… Do they know their 2 state senators are both Jews? Shouldn’t the asylum residents at least pretend they are not anti-semitic?

riddick on October 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM

From Maha Rushie

Now, the last time I heard some liberal talk about “ten years” it was 1988, Ted Danson. We had ten years to save the oceans; we were all going to pay the consequences, which would result in our death. Now Al Gore says we’ve got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we’re going to start counting. This is January 27th, 2006. We will begin the count, ladies and gentlemen. This is just… You have to love these people — from afar, and from a purely observational point of view.

tom daschle concerned on October 23, 2012 at 5:35 PM

The sooner everyone realizes that wealthier societies are healthier societies; that free enterprise and private property are better suited to environmental quality than bureaucracy; that competition and technological innovation mean that we can become both richer and cleaner; that people just care more about the environment only when they have the luxury to do so; and that, above all, people respond better to freedom and profit initiatives than they do to command and control, the more the whole idea would be.

Erika, you assume these people actually care about the environment. Some of them probably do, but these are basically the useful idiot types. The rest are just socialists in green clothing. The environment is just a vehicle to attack the free market system and capitalism.

trigon on October 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM

“By ignoring climate change, both President Obama and Governor Romney are telling the rest of the world that they do not take it seriously, and that America cannot be expected to act with the intensity and urgency needed to avert catastrophe,” Erich Pica, president of Friends of the Earth Action, said in a statement. …

Ah, so you do understand! Excellent!

disa on October 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Why isn’t Al Gore in jail?

35 major errors in Al Gore’s movie
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

Court rules Al Gore’s movie unfit without disclaimer (11 major errors reviewed)
http://creation.com/al-gores-inconvenient-errors

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Axion on October 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Enviros reprimand the candidates: Wherefore, climate change?

Erika, you know that in Shakespeare, “wherefore” means “why” – right?

disa on October 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I keep a special Twitter list of hardcore liberals and green groups specifically to stay in tune with the vagaries of the environmental movement,
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Lol,Erika,you have your own Intell Gathering Operation:)

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

No more wet dreams Earth First kooks, no more CO2 fraud allowed, Hey Hey, Hell No We Will Not Go,, into the kook CO2 fraud scheme.

Michale Mann may need your help Green Kooks, find him a good atty. as Mark Styne will FOI his ass and you on the board of directors of Earth First, Greenpeace , etal my have your co-fraud e-mails in the court house soon.

Paybacks are hell.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

It’s funny how the answer to the horrors of global warming, global cooling, global blah blah blah is always to raise taxes and increase regulations. Is there ever a problem that a liberal tries to solve without those two solutions?

Hannibal on October 23, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Cannot wait for the discovery process from Mann’s suit against Steyn and NRO!!

Yay.

This is going to be awesome.

ButterflyDragon on October 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

“By ignoring climate change, both President Obama and Governor Romney are telling the rest of the world that they do not take it seriously, and that America cannot be expected to act with the intensity and urgency needed to avert catastrophe,” Erich Pica, president of Friends of the Earth Action, said in a statement. …

Yeah, I’m sorry, as a nation we’re just not that into swallowing your bullcrap anymore.

squint on October 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

So,with the lack of EnvironmentalWacko Goonage
presence at the debate,explains why there was
no….sobbing or,

…..weeping,for Mother Earth!
(sarc).

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Ditto 2nd Amendment, ditto illegal immigration. Do we take these as positive signs that the proggies have surrendered on these formerly hot issues?

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Candy Crowley said…“you climate change people”

Sounds racist.

olddog58 on October 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

…The presidential debates are now over, and not once did climate change surface explicitly as an issue. This campaign is the first time that has happened since 1988, and environmental groups – and environmentally minded voters – are aghast.

Wow imagine that! The economy and national security trumped faux science.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Attn. Angry Greens: Time to grow a set and go 3rd party!

visions on October 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Cuz the “Poley bears” are white?

Convicted felon George Soros funds Climate Progress. I suspect Joe Romm is venting steam.

seven on October 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Ditto 2nd Amendment, ditto illegal immigration. Do we take these as positive signs that the proggies have surrendered on these formerly hot issues?

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

They might have surrendered advocating for them in the public forum, but behind the scenes they are continuing their counter-revolution. Please see: Leftist activist judges and unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats (EPA, Homeland Security, etc.)

visions on October 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

From Team Hopey/Changey……this is the moment!

And,its Ed’s uploady!

Obama speech oceans receding, planet healing
********************************************

Uploaded by Ed Morrissey on Mar 2, 2010
From his June 4, 2008 speech on winning the Democratic primaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, after having warmed for a similar 15 years and we are likely to see cooling for the next 16 years if not longer.
That is where climate change is.

Note, of all the warming they say happened, fully 90% of it is either created by mann, as in just numbers added to a temperature reading, or heat island effects which never get validated or corrected for.

astonerii on October 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I was thinking about what’s the driving motivation behind the scare-mongering climate loons. And I realized that it’s not climate. There’s something similar going on to when O said he would raise capital gains taxes even if it reduced govt revenue, for fairness. The Prophets of Doom are similar in that many of them have maintained that it probably won’t make any difference to the climate if we embarked on even the most apocalyptic CO2 reduction plans (like O’s cap & trade bill that would have mandated 83% CO2 cuts).

I’m sure that all the Chicken Littles could care less about the climate. Really. It’s driven by guilt, by a vacuum left by the vacancy of religious feeling in the predominantly leftist and non-religious climate change pushers. It’s a push for a sort of self-flagellation. When they see that life is all good with abundant energy, and that some energy in their mind is wasted on non-essential pursuits or bigger than necessary cars or the like, this is an easy target, an easy victim of their guilt. Because of their secular guilt, they don’t like that “waste” to begin with. They were in search of a justification to legitimize their attacks on energy use, and in climate change they found it. Just like they did 35 years ago with the global cooling scare.

anotherJoe on October 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

“Wherefore” means “Why?”

You probably meant “Whither”

FBones on October 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

What he said.

Longing4Lincoln on October 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

The eco-fascist GloBULL Warming Hoax died many years ago, was placed into a coffin that was securely shut with thousands of sturdy, solid nails and bolts, got buried 1000 feet into the Earth and then decayed into nothingness —- all as a result of THE TRUTH and THE UNDENIABLE FACTS.

But the lunatic-left still clings to their Goracle fantasy that “We’re all going to die” from the non-existent man-made warming. It’s like they’re worshiping a vampire. Understanding that does help you understand the mental disease of d-cRAT socialism and why OBOZObots exist.

TeaPartyNation on October 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Why, this is distressing. The last ;lkjf;dsj;////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Sorry, the forehead was just resting on the keyboard. My bad.

DumboTheAvenger on October 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM

But the fact that the environmental movement always seems to be driven by big-government, social-control enthusiasts armed with gobs of egregiously prejudiced, agenda-driven “climate science” that almost unfailingly points to diminished economic prosperity as the only possible solution, it’s no wonder people get just a mite skeptical.

The fact that their ‘science’ more often that not is naught but hysteria or outright lies, and is routinely debunked by reality and fact might also factor into that skepticism and reluctance to sign up for economic suicide.

Midas on October 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Thanks to the greenie panicmongers, people won’t notice any climate change until both polar caps melt, deer are an endangered species and you umbrellas are being sold touting ‘acid rain proof’.

Eff your idiotic scare movies. Eff your hugely exaggerated predictions. Eff YOU!!!

MelonCollie on October 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Poor eco-freaks. Their Goracle has made his millions and fled the Church of AGW. But that’s “An Inconvenient Truth”.

GarandFan on October 23, 2012 at 6:04 PM

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Excellent. It is actually less legitimate than the Hare Krishna, as they are, at least, based on a real religion. This ‘warming cult’ is exactly that, a cult based on junk science and a political agenda, greed, and the will to commit extortion.

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

“By ignoring climate change, both President Obama and Governor Romney are telling the rest of the world that they do not take it seriously, and that America cannot be expected to act with the intensity and urgency needed to avert catastrophe,” Erich Pica, president of Friends of the Earth Action, said in a statement. …

I’m sure the men of the night shift at the steel mill just outside of Shanghai are sneering derisively at us for our collective lack of concern. While they do that , Mr. Pica, why don’t you go f**k yourself.

M240H on October 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Poor eco-freaks. Their Goracle has made his millions and fled the Church of AGW. But that’s “An Inconvenient Truth”.

GarandFan on October 23, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Not just Gore. A good number of Congress critters as well who invested in this scam and (so far) have failed to push it down our throats.

riddick on October 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Whither whither whither whither whither…

The incorrect grammar on the HotAir’s homepage is killing me!

Longing4Lincoln on October 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Anyone remember this…?

Seven Percent Solution on October 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Anyone remember this…?

Seven Percent Solution on October 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Is it a sin against Gaia to laugh at that?

Jvette on October 23, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Anyone remember this…?

Seven Percent Solution on October 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

An oldie,but a goody!

I’m thinking a Spinal Tap version of the Forest NutJobs,haha!!

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Zombie, a very bad man, topless fat bearded woman…not enough eye bleach….

jukin3 on October 23, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Is it a sin against Gaia to laugh at that?

Jvette on October 23, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Jvette:I’m thinking its a,Orgasmic Reversal,or sumpin!(snark):)

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 6:31 PM

a cult based on junk science

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I have far more respect for the Hare Krishnas than these warming charlatans.

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Sorry, you lost!!! “Climate Change” is a scam….
It is just a leftist wet dream to build power.

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Screw the environmental tyrants.

Besides doing everything they can to de-industrialize the world and kill millions of people, virtually all the money they get comes from taxpayers or other leftists (who probably get their money from taxpayers).

They lie, falsify, cheat and will do anything to attain their commie goals.

Lastly, for enviro-commies it’s always do what I say, not what I do. Enviro-commies will never sacrifice their luxuries or fossil fuels for Gaia … only the little people should suffer.

darwin on October 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

YEAH – what he said – this post should be repeated on every page!

redguy on October 23, 2012 at 6:35 PM

wherefore does not mean “where“, it means “why

sabbahillel on October 23, 2012 at 7:04 PM

where was the climate change issue?

Heck, where is the climate change?

16 yrs and nothing. It’s getting colder.

In Italy a judge just convicted scientists for not foretelling when an earthquake was going to hit (killing 300) and is going to jail them!

I’m all for getting that judge to preside over the hundreds of billions of dollars stolen from us by the climate changers and their scientists.

Here come da’ judge!

archer52 on October 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM

“Wherefore” means “Why?”

You probably meant “Whither”

FBones on October 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Thank you. Also:

The greens doth protest.

Doth = does.

Protest (in the context of Gertrude’s commentary on the play) = promise.

Tzetzes on October 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

How sweet it is..now when Romney takes offense he really needs to the EPA to let up on their devastating regulations

sadsushi on October 23, 2012 at 9:11 PM

One rung above climate change on the importance ladder is Shakespearean english. Fear no more the heat o’ the sun you might say to these envirowhackos.

Ellis on October 23, 2012 at 9:30 PM

canopfor on October 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

But the “rise of the oceans” did begin to slow…
Sea level still not cooperating with predictions

MHatch on October 23, 2012 at 9:42 PM

If the Green continues to drop their steaming pile completely on one side of the fence, who will notice if it’s not part of the debate…. Sort of like one hand clapping in the forest…

drfredc on October 23, 2012 at 11:52 PM

The Enviro Industry – Nature’s ultimate Fascists

CatchAll on October 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Thanks Erika, I couldn’t agree more.

Haldol on October 24, 2012 at 4:14 PM

I don’t believe there’s anything we can do to fend off global warming, unless we add to it by crippling our economy and start letting people starve to death. If they want us to go that route, I suggest we start by starving the likes of Al Gore and the other alarmists who seem to think that their concerns come first.

flataffect on October 24, 2012 at 8:17 PM