Wrap up: The third debate; Update: Insta-polls coming in

posted at 11:02 pm on October 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

The nearly universal consensus on Twitter is that Romney won by holding his own, which is all a challenger needs to do in a foreign-policy debate. After watching him talk about international affairs for 90 minutes, does he seem like a guy you’d trust with the button? If yes, then mission accomplished.

Doesn’t matter who won the battle, says Ron Fournier. What matters is who won the war:

Mitt Romney wins. That’s not to say he won Monday night’s debate or the presidential campaign, but it’s safe to say he won an important chapter: The debate season…

There are ample reasons for both Obama and Romney to feel optimistic about their chances Nov. 6. But through his own steady performances and a spectacular first-debate failure by the incumbent, Romney has cleared an important hurdle: A near-decisive number of Americans believe that he is a viable alternative to Obama, an incumbent saddled with a weak economy and a pessimistic national mood.

Another point made more than once in the national tweet scrum tonight was that it sometimes felt like Romney was the incumbent and Obama the angry, occasionally snide challenger. That’s a byproduct, I’m sure, of Team Mitt rehearsing very carefully to capture the sort of tone that Murphy mentioned above. Romney wanted to show the audience not just that he understands Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran, but that he’s unflappable even in a tense situation. Obama wasn’t facing that test so he could afford to be more aggressive, if only to impress his base. Because he was playing offense, I’ll bet that he wins the insta-polls. But that won’t matter; the bottom line is that Romney’s still on track. Stand by for updates.

Update: To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back. Which is an old enough gag that I think it actually does date to the 1980s.

Update: No surprise:

Waiting for CNN’s poll and, maybe, some focus group video.

Update: A curious lack of curiosity:

Soledad O’Brien was just interviewing the CNN undecided voter focus group. She asked them (quoting from memory): “How many of you changed your mind based upon tonight’s debate.” A whole bunch of hands went up. But — and this is not a joke — O’Brien refused to ask them who they’d would vote for because voting is a “private matter.”

I’m not making this up.

Update: Hearing on Twitter that CNN’s insta-poll has Obama winning 48/40. O won the insta-poll after the second debate by a nearly identical margin, and yet the Mitt-mentum continued. Meanwhile, for what it’s worth, Mark Halperin calls it a flat tie.

Update: A more significant poll result, maybe:

Update: Say, what happened to the Benghazi tonight?

Update: Another key data point:

Update: George Will celebrates the triumph of anti-interventionists:

Update: Not much of a “win” for O, was it?


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GP doin strong work for Obama for America tonight. Banner evening including overtime and coupons to Walgreens.

rickyricardo on October 23, 2012 at 12:14 AM

He works for Wallgreens coupons now?? the gumbo must be really desperate :) somebody here mentioned food stamps earlier and I thought that was a much better deal for him…

jimver on October 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM

I think Gov. Romney was correct in letting Benghazi go for tonight. We still don’t have all the “facts” in and pushing it will just make the media circle the wagons for The Won. Just today they tried a story that said that The Won’s intelligence briefings blamed the video for quite a while after the attack.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

@chucktodd: POTUS consistently trying to draw Romney into a more contentious debate. It’s what challengers do who think they are behind.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Cindy, we already talked at work. They didn’t have anything close enough to where anything would have made a difference. A stronger presence was needed in or near Benghazi and it just wasn’t there. An outside force big enough to enter into that engagement area after the fact, didn’t exist.

Those men were dead the minute AQ decided to attack the Benghazi consulate. Even if they had decided two weeks before. Because no matter what Stevens requested, he wasn’t getting it.

Take the opinions of a bunch of old aviators for what they’re worth.

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Or sit down, your choice. Lol!

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

BTW, for those of you interested in the sample for the CNN poll, and what that might mean for the results…

R+10

gumbyandpokey on October 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM

The last one was R+8, with similar results, and yet Mitt-mentum continued.

Meanwhile, the “independents” polled by PPP said they’re 47% more likely to vote for Romney, 35% less; 32% more likely to vote for Obama, 47% less. And that’s with a 10-point preference for Obama.

I can’t wait to see the look on your face when you realize how those results map to actual undecided voters.

Caiwyn on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Oh, no, no that ‘I/me’ game, not enough Martini in the house for that:) …..But I know ne had me at ‘bayonet’ and couldn’t stop drinking since :)…

jimver on October 23, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I wonder what the military will poll after this? Wasn’t it like 66% for Romney before?!?

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Nahhhh… He’s set for life, and Presidentin’s just a PIA.
Why run again ? Soooooo inconvenient, all of that time off the course’ and all.

pambi on October 23, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Money is fun and all, but it ain’t got crap on power and continuous ego-pumping. If he still has enough people kissing his rear and inflating his head even after he loses, he’ll consider trying again.

I also count on him to break the trend of respectful avoidance when it comes to opining on his successor’s administration. He’ll go the Carter route of trying in vain to convince the world his term wasn’t a disaster.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Darn, I’m sorry I missed it, that thread was moving really quickly.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Instead, there is a partisan glee that has caused me to lose respect for quite a few.

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

PARTISAN GLEE. SUCK IT.

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

I think Romney flushed this one down the memory hole by making it unmemorable. I actually remember Obama doing this in 2008. You know whose winning by who is running out the clock. You can bet those debate strategies told us the numbers. For Romney to not need to nuke Obama on Libya you know the internal polling is REALLY good.

Conan on October 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

I think Gov. Romney was correct in letting Benghazi go for tonight. We still don’t have all the “facts” in and pushing it will just make the media circle the wagons for The Won. Just today they tried a story that said that The Won’s intelligence briefings blamed the video for quite a while after the attack.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I think that it was a tactically wise choice on Romney’s part, even if it was somewhat unsatisfying. I really wanted to see Romney shove it down his throat.

ghostwriter on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

UGH! DWS.

KCB on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Okay, now Greta is talking to Debbie Waterbottle-Schrute. Time for bed.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Why we love you and you’re not a harlot politician.

Matthews was aghast that Mitt played the middle and wanted him to apologize…forgetting ironically that Obama lies every time he opens his mouth.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Nahhhh…
Why run again ? Soooooo inconvenient, all of that time off the course’ and all.

pambi on October 23, 2012 at 12:11 AM

.
Arrogance.

FlaMurph on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

CNN’s John King: Trend moving Romney’s way. If continues, he will win.

wargamer6 on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

DWS making a fool of herself again. I’m starting to think that she is genuinely unintelligent.

ghostwriter on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

THE POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODLE!

BallisticBob on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Okay, now Greta is talking to Debbie Waterbottle-Schrute. Time for bed.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I changed the channel. To early to go to bed.

bandutski on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Instead, there is a partisan glee that has caused me to lose respect for quite a few.

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Perhaps lunch at The Busy Bee would cheer you up. We could run across the street afterwards and try to get the fine folks at Morehouse straight.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Wasserman’s mouth is moving, but her voice is coming out of her nostrils.

Annoying!

Jeddite on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

The two candidates are identitcal on foreign policy.

libfreeordie on October 22, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Grovelling at the feet of saudi king is not a foreign policy.
It is a submission to islam .
Honoring muslim terrorists in the WH is not a foreign policy.
It is treason.
Getting American civilians killed on foreign land is not a foreign policy.
It is depraved indifference to human lives and direliction of duty.

Hussein may think he has a foreign policy,but all he has is a deep desire to kill Americans .

burrata on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I think Gov. Romney was correct in letting Benghazi go for tonight. We still don’t have all the “facts” in and pushing it will just make the media circle the wagons for The Won. Just today they tried a story that said that The Won’s intelligence briefings blamed the video for quite a while after the attack.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Exactly. Not to mention going into this knowing that the moderator would have his long knives out for him as well. Bob Schieffer is every bit as much of a partisan hack as Candy or Martha. Romney’s in the endzone, why take a chance on a fumble at this late date?

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

I think that’s what cozmo was saying but he was taking a lot of heat. You hate to give up that Hollywood dream of the American Military riding to the rescue no matter what the situation, but it is Hollywood after all. Some dummy called cosmo a communist.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

STFU and STFD you sad and pathetic clown.

wargamer6 on October 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM

I get the impression that if we ‘keep it up’, he/she will leave forever! Oh please make it so!

slickwillie2001 on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

DWS. Must.mute.her

BettyRuth on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM

I understand completely, that’s my instinct as well, my father taught me to ‘..never leave an adversary capable of getting up and doing you harm.’

However, the middle ( independents and women) needed to see a man who was calm and confident and possessed of infinite diplomacy and they got that this evening.

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Having spiders glued to your eyelids….not a good look there, Debbie.

Bishop on October 23, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Romney crushed Obama with his closing comments. Obama looked at him like he was going to leap over the table and hit him.

bandutski on October 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM

second 1/2 of this one much stronger for Romney…All in all Romney won the debates.

Obama has no plans…Americans hate his ideas…Obama has an epic failure of a record…And tonight he was a small and petty liar.

workingclass artist on October 23, 2012 at 12:26 AM

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

It looks like they are finally paying attention, I think the process will hurt Obama a lot more than any finger pointing (no matter how justified) by Gov. Romney.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Matthews was aghast that Mitt played the middle and wanted him to apologize…forgetting ironically that Obama lies every time he opens his mouth.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

It’s true my better half was praying we wouldn’t be playing the drinking game where every time 0 lies, you bless the cup. ; )

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

DWS said Romney never mentioned Israel in the debate. This woman lies a lot but she’s not very good at it.

bgibbs1000 on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Okay, now Greta is talking to Debbie Waterbottle-Schrute. Time for bed.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I changed the channel. To early to go to bed.

bandutski on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Yeah, well for me “going to bed” means turning off the TV and screwing around on Youtube for an hour or two.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Romney was very smart tonight. We all know he let some things go, but any attack he could have used would have been a trap. If he had 20-30 mins uninterrupted to rip Obama apart on Libya, Fast and Furious, etc it would have been great, but that’s not the reality. Romney only had 2 minutes at a time and Obama would have filibustered and lied his way through a response like last week. The only way Romney would have got his point across would have been to shout Obama down and come off a little nasty. We all would have loved to see that, but it would have been a huge risk and wouldn’t have helped with persuadables. Anybody who is pissed off about these controversies isn’t voting for Obama anyway. This debate format isn’t conducive to litigating complicated issues that people don’t know about and don’t care about. It’s unfortunate but it’s the truth.

RepublicanInMA on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Meanwhile, the “independents” polled by PPP said they’re 47% more likely to vote for Romney, 35% less; 32% more likely to vote for Obama, 47% less (for Obama). And that’s with a 10-point preference for Obama.

I can’t wait to see the look on your face when you realize how those results map to actual undecided voters.

Caiwyn on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

This debate brought to you by the number “47%.”

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

I hear ya, but for better or worse, the auto bailout is popular in OH – basically the keystone to victory. We’ve got 2 weeks to either the end of the world or a shot at salvation. A few national votes elsewhere at the expense of OH votes could be a backbreaker. Better to leave that alone than to rail about how much money they owe us. Sucks, I know.

The Count on October 23, 2012 at 12:12 AM

But wouldn’t the fact that Romney has said in the last 2 debates that he did not support the GM bailout and that they should’ve went through a traditional bankruptcy contradict your point about not trying to alienate Ohio voters?

Why not add some real facts about why the GM bailout was so bad?

LevinFan on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Since it’s been demonstrated that you lie and are not very credible, you will understand why at most you earn only derision when you post. Most of the time, many of us just skip over your postings.

AZfederalist on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

LevinFan on October 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM

1) Download and Install Firefox

2) Install Ad-Block Plus Add-on for Firefox.

3) Open Firefox, use as default browser.

4) Ignore or otherwise Uninstall Internet Explorer.

Hope this helps.

Corporal Tunnel on October 23, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Wasserman’s mouth is moving, but her voice is coming out of her nostrils.

Annoying!

Jeddite on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

No. It’s not her nostrils she tends to talk out of. It’s a place far lower, and on the other side…

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Instead, there is a partisan glee that has caused me to lose respect for quite a few.

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Are you going to stomp your foot and threaten to hold your breath, too?

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

They saw that, yet turning the argument a bit more would have not harmed that appearance.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

My honest opinion was that Romney won this debate going away and Obama made some killer gaffes that will cost him key states (like comparing Navy ships to bayonets)

Had Romney come into this debate thumping his chest on foreign policy, I think Americans would have had deja vu of the NeoCon nightmare that was Dubya.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Romney knows he’s ahead. All he needed was a draw. He got a draw on foreign policy and a clear victory on the economy.

Basilsbest on October 23, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Fair enough, but nothing will ever persuade you that Romney has a problem with bringing a point home. He was personally attacked several times by a mean spirited little a-hole and did not respond.

Romney did ok but missed several opportunities to spank Barack. Whether he chose not to or was unaware of some issues remains to be seen.

He named Solyndra only in passing rather than turning to Obama and stating “Solyndra—-just one of your alternate energy fetishes cost the taxpayers $500 million.” He didn’t bring up Obama laughing about shovel ready. If Obama had been an adult I would have let stuff slide but he was a jerk right out of the gate.

arnold ziffel on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

BTW, for those of you interested in the sample for the CNN poll, and what that might mean for the results…

R+10

gumbyandpokey on October 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Obama needed to knock it out of the ballpark to slow Mitts momentum down…Aaaand Obama Failed!

workingclass artist on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

ghostwriter on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I agree but it’s like his criticism of the memo knocking free speech from the Cairo embassy, he had no idea someone would get killed before the night was over in Libya and the media would connect them. We can’t trust our own media.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Ha DWS says that Romney never mentioned Israel tonight. FAIL.

wargamer6 on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

A very disappointing debate to people like me, who are disgusted with the disgraceful debacle of Benghazi and disturbed that Mitt had absolutely nothing to say on the subject.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 23, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Mitt didn’t need to re-prosecute this. He shot the flare last debate, and the media have been feeding on themselves. Obama has lost on this issue.

John the Libertarian on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

It’s most disturbing because it foreshadows what Mitt would be like as president. He’s playing it safe, rather than risk being criticized by the media. It also strongly suggests a certain lack of confidence.

But as I said, his strategy was clearly to avoid distinguishing himself from Obama on foreign policy, and stick to pointing out the contrast on the economy.

He went for the clinch instead of the knockout.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

I think Gov. Romney was correct in letting Benghazi go for tonight. We still don’t have all the “facts” in and pushing it will just make the media circle the wagons for The Won. Just today they tried a story that said that The Won’s intelligence briefings blamed the video for quite a while after the attack.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Exactly. And, I might point out, just as I thought he should do beforehand. It was a briar patch, and Mitt pivoted to more solid ground.

He looked Presidential. He looked serious and well-informed. No fumbles.

Now, let’s carry him over the end zone. Get down to GOP HQ tomorrow, and make some calls for the cause.

JohnGalt23 on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

My honest opinion was that Romney won this debate going away and Obama made some killer gaffes that will cost him key states (like comparing Navy ships to bayonets)

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Virginia and Connecticut do a lot of shipbuilding, yes. I hope Obama’s not afraid of losing support in those states.

KingGold on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

For Gumby

@NolteNC : CNN’s John King: Trend moving Romney’s way. If continues, he will win.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Meanwhile, the “independents” polled by PPP said they’re 47% more likely to vote for Romney, 35% less; 32% more likely to vote for Obama, 47% less (for Obama). And that’s with a 10-point preference for Obama.

I can’t wait to see the look on your face when you realize how those results map to actual undecided voters.

Caiwyn on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

This debate brought to you by the number “47% & the letter R”

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

fify

workingclass artist on October 23, 2012 at 12:33 AM

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Cry me a river, bigot.

Liberals will project on us what they know themselves to be.

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:33 AM

I think Gov. Romney was correct in letting Benghazi go for tonight. We still don’t have all the “facts” in and pushing it will just make the media circle the wagons for The Won. Just today they tried a story that said that The Won’s intelligence briefings blamed the video for quite a while after the attack.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Even if you were to argue that it’s too complicated to argue what obama knew and when he knew it after in terms of calling it a terrorist attack or not — which I still would’ve argued —-

I think Romney messed up by not calling out obama for his lack of duty as CIC for not providing adequate security for his ambassador, especially after it was requested. We also had warning from locals to get out of dodge but never did.

Some things are worth arguing over and this was definitely one of them.

Romney could’ve said you take all the credit for bin laden, how do you not get any blame for Libya?

LevinFan on October 23, 2012 at 12:33 AM

As I’ve said, Romney will probably win, but if there was any doubt that the conservative movement was fueled entire by anti-Obama hate Hot Air’s comment section in the month of October proves otherwise.

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

What’s not to hate? Seriously? What on earth do you possibly think that we could find to like or admire in this man? He seems like he’s pretty close to his family, I guess, but I remember reading an article about how he pretty much abandoned Michelle and the girls in favor of politics back when he was a state senator in Illinois. I guess now that they all live where he “works” it’s probably harder for him to give them the slip. Even his own former close aides admit that he doesn’t even really “like” people.

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Interesting, evening. Saw your commentary. Some valid points. I think Romney did what he had to do though, he had everything to lose by a show of temper or aggression, everything to gain by being presidential and calm.

I don’t care how pretty the win is… just so we win election day!:)

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Any direct attack by Romney on Benghazi will be used to distract and litigate as to whether he is correct about timeline, fact etc and risk him being accused of politicizing the issue by the media. There are only 2 weeks left before the election, there is no time to side track the remainder of the campaign. Romney can let McCain, Lindsay Graham, Mike Rogers and Issa pursue Barry’s debacle.

It is also important that Romney does not give Barry any issue or sound bites to use against him for the last 2 weeks of the campaign. Romney also does not want to appears hawkish for the war weary American public.

You will see that Romney has accomplished those goals. If you look at the instant poll, CNN essentially shows a tie for voting preference change, and the PPP poll actually shows more voters will vote for Romney as a result of this debate, and Barry lost ground in that metric.

This debate will not blunt Romney’s momentum for Nov 6, and that is all that he needs yo accomplish tonight.

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Romney missed loads of opportunities tonight. Too Bad. He could have killed Obama on the Israel issue. When Obama bragged about going to Israel during his POTUS CAMPAIGN in 2008, Romney should have looked him in the eye and said, “That was when you were campaigining and had no power to influence anything in our Foreign policy with Israel. When you had that power as President, you have made zero trips to Israel and as a matter of fact, refused to meet with Benjamin Netanyahu when he came to Washington last month. When I’m President, I will go to Israel to meet with our strongest ally in the mideast and when he comes to Washington DC, I will certainly meet with him.

they lie on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Prow up. It’s like a football team chewing clock when ahead.

Arssanguinus on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Regarding DWS, with hair like this, I can’t take anything she says seriously.

hoosiermama on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Pretty Soon Now.

Good Night All.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I bet Obama has no clue how to shoot a weapon of any kind.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Romney made a play for independents tonight with his strategy. Obama’s strategy appears to have been to placate his base. He took on a style that seems to consistently rub independents the wrong way just so his base and the media (but I repeat myself) will cheer his performance.

goflyers on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Darn it, I said cozmo and it was actually blink. Sorry.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

For some odd reason, looking back at the debate, this song popped into my head. Mitt skates to the finish.

Ugly on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

A stronger presence was needed in or near Benghazi and it just wasn’t there. An outside force big enough to enter into that engagement area after the fact, didn’t exist.hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Really hawk? You’re telling us that in over seven hours there’s “no” possible chance of mobilization in this day and age? Is the military’s hand really this tied that there was no hope for these people? If this is the case, then there is a serious problem with our capabilities imo.

Rovin on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Just watching it now. Feeling like this guy, minus the voted for him in 2008.

txhsmom on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Pretty Soon Now.

Good Night All.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

‘Night, B. Did you see my reply to you several pages back?

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Since it’s been demonstrated that you lie and are not very credible, you will understand why at most you earn only derision when you post. Most of the time, many of us just skip over your postings.

AZfederalist on October 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Who is this gumby and why should I care?

newtopia on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Hey! Anyone remember Larry Ladka — the totally self-important voter who asked one of the questions at the last debate? Well, Greta’s got hi back on her show and the loser STILL HAS NOT MADE UP HIS MIND.

Talk about stretching out his 15 minutes of fame, man! Predict his show is about to be cancelled quick with no residuals.

The War Planner on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Viewers of the debate agree that Obama came off like an angry jackass.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Okay, now Greta is talking to Debbie Waterbottle-Schrute. Time for bed.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

…great!…now you’re going to have nightmares!

KOOLAID2 on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 AM

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

I think that’s what cozmo was saying but he was taking a lot of heat. You hate to give up that Hollywood dream of the American Military riding to the rescue no matter what the situation, but it is Hollywood after all. Some dummy called cosmo a communist.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

It could have been secured easily after the fact. Without the proper amount of protection prior, (which Stevens requested and didn’t get) nothing could have saved those men in time from an organized attack.

We have put together Air Assaults in a very short period of time. But you have to be close enough to stage it. The security needed to be provided when it was asked for. Or those folks pulled out. Neither was done.

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I actually attempted to vote at the CNN site and it would not register my vote for Romney

Delsa on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

As I’ve said, Romney will probably win, but if there was any doubt that the conservative movement was fueled entire by anti-Obama hate Hot Air’s comment section in the month of October proves otherwise.

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Your shabby writing, as an Ivy League professor, aside, I hate Obama. I hate his Utopian leftism. It has nothing to do with hue, contrary to what you and Matthews claim.

Sue me.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2012 at 12:39 AM

txhsmom on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Luntz’s group this time was embarrassing to watch. A total disaster.

Corporal Tunnel on October 23, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Really hawk? You’re telling us that in over seven hours there’s “no” possible chance of mobilization in this day and age? Is the military’s hand really this tied that there was no hope for these people? If this is the case, then there is a serious problem with our capabilities imo.

Rovin on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Not quick enough to save any of them.

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Who is this gumby and why should I care?

newtopia on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

If your question is serious and not sarcasm, he’s just a troll who likes to tweak some gullible people. I don’t think even he believes half of what he says. I answer him on occasion. Mostly when I’m bored.

bandutski on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

ABC: Mitt Romney Keeps Command Amid Attacks – and Looks to Future

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Wow. I’m surprised to read this there.

There’s no going back, though, to a point where a single debate could change the trajectory of a campaign. Nothing happened tonight to change the race’s direction — and Romney walks away strong after playing on Obama’s turf, competing for his job.

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

‘Night, B. Did you see my reply to you several pages back?

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Yes, I’m sorry Cyndy, I thought I replied. Dead dog tired this evening, early call time. ; ) Good Night.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

I need to clarify something, particularly something GumbeyIdiot is spewing. The sample in the CNN/ORC poll for the second debate was NOT R+8, it was a three way split D/R/I, 33/33/33. The reason CNN claimed that Republicans were oversampled by eight, is because their pollster assumed that Democrats should outnumber democrats by 8%. This however is an unreasonable assertion, as Gallop and Rasmussen both believe the nation to be relatively closely split between democrat and Republican, with Rasmussen finding that Republicans with a 2-3% advantage, and with Gallop finding a similar margin for democrats.

Now, again, I don’t know the breakdown of tonight CNN poll. However, I DO know the breakdown of tonight PPP poll. In this case it happened to be, D+6, which is a rather significant over poll of democrats. In fact, the D over poll explains a significant chunk of Obama’s victory margin there, adjust it to a historical D+3 sample and you’re back in tie territory.

Basically, each side did well enough to win their base, but Romney won independents. Net result, win for Romney, loss for Obama, therefore mittmentum continues.

PS: the CBS insta-poll has been all over the place this year, and have consistently diverged from the rest of the of the pollsters. My suspicion is the combination of being an online poll and having “tie,” as an option renders their results unreliable.

WolvenOne on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Not quick enough to save any of them.

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Too bad they didn’t have a detachment of Marines, like they do in other, more dangerous places — like, say, SWEDEN.

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Did you see my comment to you on page three?

Obama’s theme song. Look At Me!

jaime on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

STFU and STFD you sad and pathetic clown.

wargamer6 on October 23, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Your extreme anger says so much about you….

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

so the Journo-list is feeding the insta polls now?

long_cat on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

hawkdriver on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I remember you telling me about the meetings you had for your mission and I am sure you were a heck of a lot closer than any force available in Libya.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Okay, now Greta is talking to Debbie Waterbottle-Schrute. Time for bed.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:23 AM

…great!…now you’re going to have nightmares!

KOOLAID2 on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Heh. Okay, I LOL’d. I’ll go dig through the creepypasta tumblr in order to get myself on something more pleasant.

Gingotts on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Possibly, I’d have liked to see a bit more of it, but I’m just glad that he’s going to keep picking up momentum.

thatsafactjack on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Yes, I’m sorry Cyndy, I thought I replied. Dead dog tired this evening, early call time. ; ) Good Night.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Sleep well, then! :)

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Corporal Tunnel on October 23, 2012 at 12:39 AM

I heard it was a screaming match. Lefties coming unglued.

txhsmom on October 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Viewers of the debate agree that Obama came off like an angry jackass.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Oh you funny girl. Kind of like bluegill whenever shhh, Sara P is mentioned.

arnold ziffel on October 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Your extreme anger says so much about you….

libfreeordie on October 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Whoopsy! You’re mistaking disdain and contempt for anger again, I think! Easy mistake.

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:43 AM

There are two tells that Zero doesn’t beleive his own bullshit.
One is his high inflection to his voice that he kept in check tonight.
The other is his talking out of the left side of his mouth.
He did plenty of the later tonight.

OkieDoc on October 23, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Romney used the debates brilliantly. He had to disprove the lies spewing form an unending barrage of hundreds of millions of dollars in attack adds calling him a liar, murderer, extremist, religious cultist, cancer causer, women hater, tax dodger, racist, banker, wall streeter, and hater of the middle class. They attacked his wife, his children, his father, his religion, his successes, his charitable donations and his patriotism, and in just about 4 and a half hour os debates, he disproved ALL of it.

Obama lost this election after that first debate. His strategy of “destroy Romney” was a gamble that failed miserably. Hundreds of millions of dollars down the drain in 90 minutes.

Strike Hornet on October 23, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Good Night.

Bmore on October 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM

‘Nite Bmore

jaime on October 23, 2012 at 12:44 AM

I actually attempted to vote at the CNN site and it would not register my vote for Romney

Delsa on October 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Me, too. It just stayed at 0% and 0%.

cynccook on October 23, 2012 at 12:45 AM

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