Wrap up: The third debate; Update: Insta-polls coming in

posted at 11:02 pm on October 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

The nearly universal consensus on Twitter is that Romney won by holding his own, which is all a challenger needs to do in a foreign-policy debate. After watching him talk about international affairs for 90 minutes, does he seem like a guy you’d trust with the button? If yes, then mission accomplished.

Doesn’t matter who won the battle, says Ron Fournier. What matters is who won the war:

Mitt Romney wins. That’s not to say he won Monday night’s debate or the presidential campaign, but it’s safe to say he won an important chapter: The debate season…

There are ample reasons for both Obama and Romney to feel optimistic about their chances Nov. 6. But through his own steady performances and a spectacular first-debate failure by the incumbent, Romney has cleared an important hurdle: A near-decisive number of Americans believe that he is a viable alternative to Obama, an incumbent saddled with a weak economy and a pessimistic national mood.

Another point made more than once in the national tweet scrum tonight was that it sometimes felt like Romney was the incumbent and Obama the angry, occasionally snide challenger. That’s a byproduct, I’m sure, of Team Mitt rehearsing very carefully to capture the sort of tone that Murphy mentioned above. Romney wanted to show the audience not just that he understands Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran, but that he’s unflappable even in a tense situation. Obama wasn’t facing that test so he could afford to be more aggressive, if only to impress his base. Because he was playing offense, I’ll bet that he wins the insta-polls. But that won’t matter; the bottom line is that Romney’s still on track. Stand by for updates.

Update: To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back. Which is an old enough gag that I think it actually does date to the 1980s.

Update: No surprise:

Waiting for CNN’s poll and, maybe, some focus group video.

Update: A curious lack of curiosity:

Soledad O’Brien was just interviewing the CNN undecided voter focus group. She asked them (quoting from memory): “How many of you changed your mind based upon tonight’s debate.” A whole bunch of hands went up. But — and this is not a joke — O’Brien refused to ask them who they’d would vote for because voting is a “private matter.”

I’m not making this up.

Update: Hearing on Twitter that CNN’s insta-poll has Obama winning 48/40. O won the insta-poll after the second debate by a nearly identical margin, and yet the Mitt-mentum continued. Meanwhile, for what it’s worth, Mark Halperin calls it a flat tie.

Update: A more significant poll result, maybe:

Update: Say, what happened to the Benghazi tonight?

Update: Another key data point:

Update: George Will celebrates the triumph of anti-interventionists:

Update: Not much of a “win” for O, was it?


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Why nobody is praising the moderator? I thought Bob Schieffer was as fair and impartial as he could afford without being ostracized by his CBS colleagues. Anyone thinks differently?

Archivarix on October 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Schieffer was fine. Like Lehrer, he let the candidates actually debate one another (that’s what they’re there for, obviously) and he didn’t butt in unless it was time to change the topic.

KingGold on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

And, if the polls are to be believed, he didn’t get them.

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

The snap polls are as believable as you are.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

PPP: 12% more likely to vote Romney….only 7% more likely to vote Bamster (Post Debate poll)

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Why nobody is praising the moderator? I thought Bob Schieffer was as fair and impartial as he could afford without being ostracized by his CBS colleagues. Anyone thinks differently?

Archivarix on October 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM

He wasn’t terrible. He did bail Zero out of a tough spot a couple of times, in my opinion. Lehrer was the best of the four, but Schieffer was far better than Cowley or Ratazz.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

In the future I’d like to see Presidential Debates with NO moderator and five instant fact-checkers.

Let them duke it out and call the liar out.

fogw on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Carville worrying about skewed polls? Seriously?

Tater Salad on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Beaten. Go see Drudge.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Nice pic. Let us hope. Let us pray.

John the Libertarian on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Anybody else hear Shiffer refer to “Obama Bin Laden”?

Buck Turgidson on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

A Marine e-mailed Chris Wallace that they still use bayonets.

[Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM]

A reporter assigned to toss out a few fact-checks brought that one up on Obama … ‘more bayonets now than in 1916-17, Mr President. Standard issue. Sorry.’

Dusty on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The only debate that mattered.. Boys and Girls was the Red Debate apparently.. Because it made Romney an equal. The VP debate was important as well because it really helped Budget’s favor abilities.

Illinidiva on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Romney sucked. There’s still a chance he’ll win.

The Rogue Tomato on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

And, if the polls are to be believed, he didn’t get them.

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

LOL Right. I can’t wait to see Gallup tomorrow. Romney’s up 4 in CO, for pity’s sake! LOL You really think KingZero’s pettiness tonight is going to move the dial back the other direction? Anyway, you should be glad, Mitt Romney will be a good president.

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Very well said. I have correctly picked the winner of every presidential race since 1982 (when I first voted). Romney will be our next president.

bandutski on October 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Great to know :) I think you meant 1980 or 1984 instead of 1982 :)

mnjg on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Luntz’s group is feisty tonight.

KSgop on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Its a celebration b****es, enjoy yourselves!

El_Terrible on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

That was an ABC reporter, BTW.

Dusty on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

h/t last nite’s QOTD

The GOPe will send a cat w/ a weak bladder to your house to pi$$ all over your stuff! :)

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I already have one of those. Could the GOP send many a rabid hamster or something?

annoyinglittletwerp on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Obama had SEVEN MINUTES more than Romney.

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

He speaks much slower…so. Anybody count the words yet?

d1carter on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

the bayonet aand horses thing sound terrible. i wasn’t watching, but if the barry camp thinks that aggression equals snark, i think they are very wrong

a presidential answer would be that our force projection is much better now because of the sophistication of the naval forces…so it is not a numbers game

r keller on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

1982???

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Typo. I meant 1984. Man you guys are tough on mistakes. I said I have been always right on elections, not just always right.

bandutski on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

The picture on Drudge says it all.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Aww, that vein on his face there, in that pic, looks like it’s about to snap and burst out :) :)……

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

What pisses me off is the stress of the job didn’t do it. Because leading a nation at war didn’t concern him on his putting green. Finally getting the impression he could actually lose this election is what worried and aged him.

hawkdriver on October 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM

T’is all about the man and his ego….everything/everybody else are bumps in his magnificent road…but then what do I know, Mochelle assured us that Barak doesn’t have a big ego :)

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

This Luntz focus group seems like it was stacked in Romney’s favor. I find the Luntz segments entertaining but useless.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

PPP: 12% more likely to vote Romney….only 7% more likely to vote Bamster (Post Debate poll)

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Niiiice! Do you have a linky for our delusional friends here? :D

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

The results seem alot like debate 2.

Obama is going to need to do something more. Something desperate.

forest on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

And I’m calling bullsh!t on these undecided voters on the Luntz panel.

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

When Romney mentioned the open mic. comment by Obama on more flexibility after the election to Putin, Obama looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Romney should have follwed it up by asking what he meant by that.

they lie on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Tomorrow it will be “Ok yeah I suppose Bark did a little better in the foreign policy debate. But you know, gas still costs a fortune and I just got laid off from my job, soooooo…..”

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Yes, and “fix bayonets” is still the most dreaded order.
Knott Buyinit on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDAHXHhJ-c

whatcat on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

1982???

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Typo. I meant 1984. Man you guys are tough on mistakes. I said I have been always right on elections, not just always right.

bandutski on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

There was an election in 1982. I remember it.

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Oh boy, here go the Luntz crowd again…

Obama guy boldly interjecting that Obama was a State Senator!!! That’s loads of experience because uh… buh.

Overall say Obama won the debate, but Romney will be a better President.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

By what measure?

herm2416 on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Elapsed talking time?

slickwillie2001 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Obama may have “won” the debate on foreign policy, but he lost the debate on being presidential. I can’t get over how he felt it would be a good idea to be so snide. The clip above is one example and the other was when he started talking about the difference in the Navy today with his arrogant tidbit about aircraft carriers that have planes landing on them. If people really want to figure out why he can’t get anything done, and won’t if he’s re-elected, it’s that attitude of his.

bflat879 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Politico’s John Harris: Obama Diminished Himself As A Commander-In-Chief http://youtu.be/PodoDQ_s47Q

Flora Duh on October 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Good find. John Harris makes a great point here that Obama missed his chance to remind people that he is already the Commander in Chief.

But that’s what happens when you never stop campaigning, even after you’re elected.

newtopia on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

The CNN poll looks like 1984

faraway on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Typo. I meant 1984. Man you guys are tough on mistakes. I said I have been always right on elections, not just always right.

bandutski on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Heh. :) I hope that your streak gets extended this year!

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

So on CNN , the guy who actually been the CiC for four years can barely beat the challenger for the job?

Holy shite!

catmman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I dont think these focus group are too undecided-Fox or CNN. They both seemed to be full of ringers.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I have am a Mitt supporter, so of course my opinion is biased, I believe this is the most petty and non presidential Obama has ever publicly been. If I were an undecided I believe my opinion would be that character counts and the President did not show any

Guest1.1 on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Lunz group not really undecideds at all, I think.

SAZMD on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Repealing socialism is not reprehensible.

blink on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

But….but…the gays! the abortions! the not shutting down of the Catholic Church! Waaaaaahhhhhh!11l1

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I’m off to bed. Thanks for an interesting evening.

Gettycorn on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Luntz’s dunces on right now.

Physics Geek on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

There is no way any of Franks panel are undecided. Too many talking points and strong opinions coming out of their mouths.

flstc on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Safety Dance

El_Terrible on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

And I’m calling bullsh!t on these undecided voters on the Luntz panel.

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I’m calling bullshit on undecided voters.

How stupid must one be?

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

And I’m calling bullsh!t on these undecided voters on the Luntz panel.

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Remember undecided 2012 voters are 2008 Obamaites. No McCain voters are anywhere close to undecided.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

The CNN poll looks like 1984

faraway on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

November 6th might too.

Unless the President somehow defied what everyone seems to saying on both the right and left tonight, Obama has nothing to stop the trajectory now.

newtopia on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Watching MSNBC talk about economics will lower your IQ by about 50 points… easily…

MGardner on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

How come broads were not Palin-hot when I was a kid?

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:28 PM

My sixth grade teacher could have been a Playboy bunny. My 12th grade English teacher was just…HOT!

There was a lot of desert in between…..

Tenwheeler on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

PPP(D) (-DKOS/SEIU) poll, Romney +12 with indies on more likely to vote Obama -16

midgeorgian on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

What’s with Luntz, half of those people are insane and the other half are crazy.

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

*sigh*

Lions destroyed by Bear’s defense tonight.

NotCoach on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Elapsed talking time?

slickwillie2001 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I’m pretty sure the metric we were looking at here was dirtiest looks or something. Also contemptuous squinting. There’s no arguing that KingZero romped in those categories.

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Wow. Luntz giving props to the artist. Very cool.

John the Libertarian on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

And his alternatives on domestic policy are reprehensible. But when it comes to a Presidential on debate on foreign policy, there is no winners.

libfreeordie on October 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM

A balanced budget is reprehensible?
Preserving Social Security is reprehesible?
Preserving Medicare is reprehensible?
What do you think is going to happen to the poor and current seniors with no savings if we keep borrowing a trillion dollars per year? You think the Chinese are going to be giving Americans free iphones? Giving out a trillion dollars in welfare benefits a year? Paying for hip replacements in octogenarians?
They don’t do those things for their own citizens. I can’t see them funding those programs here. If we can’t get our economic act together, all those things will vanish, with no safety net.

Obama and the Democrats haven’t even managed to pass a budget for years, let alone deal with the looming debt that threatens seniors and the poor. His biggest idea is a millionaire tax that might pay for a few days of government spending. His suggestion to raise tax rates has consistently lowered revenues when it has been implemented.

If you have any concern for the needy at all, it would be unconscionable vote to re-elect Obama.

talkingpoints on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Remember undecided 2012 voters are 2008 Obamaites. No McCain voters are anywhere close to undecided.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Somebody that voted for Obama in ’08 wouldn’t deride his background as a community organizer.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Niiiice! Do you have a linky for our delusional friends here? :D

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM

That was from NumbersMuncher on Twitter

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Tenwheeler on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

50 year old broads were just not hot back then. Can’t think of a single one that was Palin-hot.

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Oh, snap! Romney bounce a-comin!

Rational Thought on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Zing!

newtopia on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

There was an election in 1982. I remember it.

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

If you remember the 60′s 80′s then you obviously weren’t there… ;p

SWalker on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Carville worrying about skewed polls? Seriously?

Tater Salad on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

To be fair…that’s all HA does is look at skews. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a blog consistently disclose the skews as much as HA.

Are you saying HE shouldn’t because that would prove his point? or do you think it’s bogus in general to do that?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

PPP: 12% more likely to vote Romney….only 7% more likely to vote Bamster (Post Debate poll)

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:34 PM

NumbersMuncher ‏@NumbersMuncher
PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

No way! Shirley RuPoll wouldn’t be wrong, surely./

Resist We Much on October 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Nice. I’ve been wondering about the art with these sets and what would come of it now that the Dunce groups are over.

Really cool of them to bring out the artist. Answered “Reagan” for favorite President, so I’m confident he just secured a good price for almost every one of those pieces if they’re going up for sale.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

For what it is worth, this Mittbot thought his boy sucked tonight. Rote, robotic, scripted, dull. Couldn’t define himself against Obama. Sounded more like Obama than Obama usually does.

The President, on the other hand, actually sounded like a President, perhaps for the first time in his four year term. Focused, coherent, idealistic, informed. At times, his best performance of the three debates.

That’s not to say that Obama was perfect, or that Rommey was always bad. Romney had a few moments; he just could not sustain them or weave them into a coherent idictment of Obama; nor could he provide a viable, sharply defined counter vision to the President’s. Obama was too often peevish, snarky, and infantile; a little more gravitas would have been helpful. Obama’s statement that, fortunately, he had kept Congress out of the loop on the military budget, and that sequestration “is not going to happen” revealed his arrogance and meglomania to an unhelpful degree.

Was it my imagination, or did Obama openly state that he would allow Israel to bomb Iran if the Iranians did not play ball?

That was really interesting.

I really think Mitt blew it tonight by playing it safe; I’ll see how this plays out tomorrow. No knock out, that’s for sure. Obama is still in this.

Mr. Arkadin on October 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Yes, not many undecideds left anymore for the focus groups.

Except it’s for real this time, and most of them are going with Romney.

forest on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

MGardner on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

True..!

WhoU4 on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Once again, Romney “loses” the debate but DOMINATES where it counts, with Independents.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

So what did lunz’s dunces say? I keep missing those segments. What is their final result, who are they voting for?

karenhasfreedom on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I feel extremely proud to have voted for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, this morning.

This debate certainly did nothing but prove to me that we cannot CANNOT survive even 6 more months of this tiny weenie of a Preezy !!

pambi on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

He speaks much slower…so. Anybody count the words yet?

[d1carter on October 22, 2012 at 11:36 PM]

Time is money. Romney knows the cost benefits of brevity.

Dusty on October 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The numbers in the PPP poll are all over the place:
http://t.co/f8Ck70lQ

Naturally they oversample Dems significantly. 43% of the electorate is insane.

More/Less Likely to vote for Obama:
Independents: 32% More Likely, 48% Less Likely
Overall: 37% More Likely, 31% Less Likely

More/Less Likely to vote for Romney:
Independents: 47% More Likely, 35% Less Likely
Overall: 38% More Likely, 35% Less Likely

So, the independents, who were seriously undersampled, favored Romney. And even with the crazy 43% base to work with, the overall numbers are almost identical.

strictnein on October 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

What’s with Luntz, half of those people are insane and the other half are crazy.

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Those are the people Frank can best relate to…

SWalker on October 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

This debate certainly did nothing but prove to me that we cannot CANNOT survive even 6 more months of this tiny weenie of a Preezy !!

pambi on October 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

We could survive 4 more years of this idiot.

We cannot survive the idiots that put him there.

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

And his alternatives on domestic policy are reprehensible. But when it comes to a Presidential on debate on foreign policy, there is no winners.

libfreeordie on October 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Obama’s presidency has been a complete and utter failure, across the board, with the exception of killing bin Laden. I’ll also give him credit for signing onto the Iran sanctions, even though he didn’t have much choice on that.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

He wasn’t terrible. He did bail Zero out of a tough spot a couple of times, in my opinion. Lehrer was the best of the four, but Schieffer was far better than Cowley or Ratazz.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Ogabe finds himself at the deep end of the pool every time he opens his fly trap, so every time the moderator stops him due to time there’s an illusion of him being bailed out.

You cannot blame Cowley and Ratazz – they think with the same parts of their bodies that, you know, depend on their vote. And considering the lousy condition those parts are in now…

Archivarix on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Debate more of an Obama win than Romney loss. 38% still say it made them more likely to vote for Mitt, 35% less likely: PDF http://t.co/f8Ck70lQ

Flora Duh on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I’ll just leave this here…….

Typhonsentra on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I’m calling bullshit on undecided voters.

How stupid must one be?

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I don’t think they are stupid, just lazy. Kind of like being bi-sexual. Make a choice for crying out loud!

Tenwheeler on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I noticed the liberal media bias again, as Bob S. only interrupted Romney, never Obummer. He was better than Candy Crowley though.

sherrimae on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Obama didn’t win anything, he lost

jp on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Quite right. People think that “ship” and “boat” are synonymous, but any Navy fellow worth his/her salt will tell you that just ain’t so.

KingGold on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

There is one other fleet of very large vessels called boats not ships. The Great Lakes carriers are called ore or coal boats. Not sure why, maybe because they don’t sail the oceans?
And my uncle used to joke about leaving a ship in the Navy to sail on a boat, an ore boat.

Deanna on October 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Bmore on October 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Short version:

1. Obama must go…to the UN or HI, or to Hades.

2. Mitt must be watched – why I always say “celebrate, but no sooner than Nov. 6, and then only briefly.

p.s. it’s “docile”.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’ll just leave this here…….

Typhonsentra on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Beck is entitled to his opinion. Yet he’s gonna vote Romney. WTF???

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’ll just leave this here…….

Typhonsentra on October 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

The balls on this guy.

Is this a tacit admission that his show on FNC was for nothing more than ratings?

KingGold on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Obama looked demonic.

bluegill on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Update: To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back. Which is an old enough gag that I think it actually does date to the 1980s.

That’s a hott coming from Obama. His entire domestic and foreign policy are decades-old retreads. Frankly, I don’t think that the man has learned much since undergrad days.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

If people really want to figure out why he can’t get anything done, and won’t if he’s re-elected, it’s that attitude of his.

bflat879 on October 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

This. Eleventy.

Corporal Tunnel on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Preserving Social Security is reprehesible?
Preserving Medicare is reprehensible?

talkingpoints on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

If you put it like that, yeah it kinda is. R&R might need them to win the election but I’d sure love to see them both in the same hell to which all stupid laws go.

Archivarix on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

In the first ten minutes, you’re right.

Outside of the first few barbs, Obama was horrendous.

He was rambling, incoherent, started using stories of 9/11 orphans as a crutch, on and on.

Mitt stayed above the fray, refused to get personal, and the Preezy kept getting into petty attacks on Romney as a person.

That is not a win.

blatantblue on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

50 year old broads were just not hot back then. Can’t think of a single one that was Palin-hot.

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

How old was Marilyn Monroe when you were a kid? Maureen O’Hara?

Tenwheeler on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Not sure why, maybe because they don’t sail the oceans?

Deanna on October 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Exactly right.

Which even muddies the water further.

cozmo on October 22, 2012 at 11:46 PM

OscartheGrouch ‏@CookieMonster

SesameStreetPolling post-debate Big Bird devotees only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 99 more/1 less. Romney 0 more/100 less.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Ron Paul lost. Get over it.

Corporal Tunnel on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

This +1000.

I have, not once, heard any Ron Paul supporter EVER admit this.

They aren’t capable of it.

Hawkins1701 on October 22, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That’s because the Paultards have an explanation for that.

Alberta_Patriot on October 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Seriously Soledad Obrien is such a hack.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

More fun, for me, is that all those in the O camp are going to have to play clean-up and take-out-the-trash for the next two days. I bet they expected a huge win, truly needing one at this point, and were ready to dumpster-dive for every stale crumb of his wisdom’ to lift him to a safe level of esteem.

Except Obama, as usual, didn’t deliver to his minions. So all they’re left with–again–is the default position. Like Tingles throwing the race card, as some here have said.

Realistically, the most highly-paid sanitation engineers in the country are in the MSM.

Liam on October 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

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