Wrap up: The third debate; Update: Insta-polls coming in

posted at 11:02 pm on October 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

The nearly universal consensus on Twitter is that Romney won by holding his own, which is all a challenger needs to do in a foreign-policy debate. After watching him talk about international affairs for 90 minutes, does he seem like a guy you’d trust with the button? If yes, then mission accomplished.

Doesn’t matter who won the battle, says Ron Fournier. What matters is who won the war:

Mitt Romney wins. That’s not to say he won Monday night’s debate or the presidential campaign, but it’s safe to say he won an important chapter: The debate season…

There are ample reasons for both Obama and Romney to feel optimistic about their chances Nov. 6. But through his own steady performances and a spectacular first-debate failure by the incumbent, Romney has cleared an important hurdle: A near-decisive number of Americans believe that he is a viable alternative to Obama, an incumbent saddled with a weak economy and a pessimistic national mood.

Another point made more than once in the national tweet scrum tonight was that it sometimes felt like Romney was the incumbent and Obama the angry, occasionally snide challenger. That’s a byproduct, I’m sure, of Team Mitt rehearsing very carefully to capture the sort of tone that Murphy mentioned above. Romney wanted to show the audience not just that he understands Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran, but that he’s unflappable even in a tense situation. Obama wasn’t facing that test so he could afford to be more aggressive, if only to impress his base. Because he was playing offense, I’ll bet that he wins the insta-polls. But that won’t matter; the bottom line is that Romney’s still on track. Stand by for updates.

Update: To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back. Which is an old enough gag that I think it actually does date to the 1980s.

Update: No surprise:

Waiting for CNN’s poll and, maybe, some focus group video.

Update: A curious lack of curiosity:

Soledad O’Brien was just interviewing the CNN undecided voter focus group. She asked them (quoting from memory): “How many of you changed your mind based upon tonight’s debate.” A whole bunch of hands went up. But — and this is not a joke — O’Brien refused to ask them who they’d would vote for because voting is a “private matter.”

I’m not making this up.

Update: Hearing on Twitter that CNN’s insta-poll has Obama winning 48/40. O won the insta-poll after the second debate by a nearly identical margin, and yet the Mitt-mentum continued. Meanwhile, for what it’s worth, Mark Halperin calls it a flat tie.

Update: A more significant poll result, maybe:

Update: Say, what happened to the Benghazi tonight?

Update: Another key data point:

Update: George Will celebrates the triumph of anti-interventionists:

Update: Not much of a “win” for O, was it?


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bob threw mitt a softball on benghazi wished he hit it out of the park…

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:05 AM

That was a trap. Since all of the information isn’t ‘in’, Obama would have retorted, Mitt can’t really speak to it; he’s making politics out of a tragedy. “But I’m in the know,” Obama might have added.

Mitt was smart to let that softball pass by without serious effort to catch it.

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

now they are bashing mitt about the auto bailout and apology tour

cripe

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Those of you watching Moaning Schmoe:

Isn’t Michael Steele such a wonderful replacement for Pat Buchanan? Such a gentleman. He just sits up straight with his mouth shut.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM

I am pretty sure we heard Schieffer refer to a character called “Obama Bin Laden” once.

CorporatePiggy on October 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

i see your point…
*sigh*

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM

Oh Michael Steele just came awake: to praise Obama.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 7:12 AM

cripe

why doesn’t he say OBAMA hasn’t been to ISRAEL since he was a CANDIDATE

steele just a squish

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

MrLynn on October 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM

You do not just do things to satisfy your desire for a beatdown. You do not think Barry has already has a line ready to go to counter that line of attack from Romney?

The follow up of Bing West after the actual debate

Only gradually did it become clear that the Romney strategy was not to fight, but to woo. The difference between the genders in the choice of candidates has been striking, and Romney’s performance would lead no reasonable undecided voter, female or male, to worry he was too bellicose.

Neither side offered a serious foreign-policy agenda. Mr. Romney, who had much more to lose if he appeared too tough, did not lose ground in the overall presidential race. Mr. Obama did not gain ground. The debate did not make a difference; so on balance, Mr. Romney came out ahead.

There are only 2 weeks left in the campaign, you do not want Romney to be mired in the squirrel chase by MSM debating whether the timeline is correct, whether Barry and Co. was just using information given to them by the CIA. Romney may also be accused of politicizing the tragedy. There is no time to waste and Romeny/Ryan should concentrate on the economy. There are many surrogates like McCain, Lindsay Graham, Mike Rogers and Issa who can pursue and hit Barry on the Benghazi issue.

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Channel click to Fox News.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

bob threw mitt a softball on benghazi wished he hit it out of the park…

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Just like Candy did, but this time Mitt watched the pitch go by. I would rather wake up a little hungry from lack of red meat than being bloated and all of the consequences that goes with it. Mitt has proven very capable in being attack dog (see debate 1), so it simply was an intentional strategy to stay above the fray.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Bradky on October 23, 2012 at 6:05 AM

Something to remember Brady – look up how many democratic senate seats are up for reelection in 2014.

Arssanguinus on October 23, 2012 at 7:16 AM

bob threw mitt a softball on benghazi wished he hit it out of the park…

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:05 AM

That was a trap. Since all of the information isn’t ‘in’, Obama would have retorted, Mitt can’t really speak to it; he’s making politics out of a tragedy. “But I’m in the know,” Obama might have added.

Mitt was smart to let that softball pass by without serious effort to catch it.

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

I agree with both of you. I would have liked to see Romney knock his block off, though.

Naturally Curly on October 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM

yep, unanimous on morning joe. obama punched mitt in the face all night long. obama won. mika giddy with joy.

renalin on October 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Some of thse, if Obama is gone, are going to start in with the self-interest.

Arssanguinus on October 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Oh Michael Steele just came awake: to praise Obama.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Michael Steel.. a great argument against affirmative action. He ran the RNC into the ground.

Illinidiva on October 23, 2012 at 7:18 AM

now they are bashing mitt about the auto bailout and apology tour

cripe

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Chris Wallace quickly called out Obama’s lie last night on GM/bankruptcy reading directly from newspaper that ran the article and confirming what Mitt said in the debate was the same as the print info.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:19 AM

Really wish McCain would just go away, even when I agree with what he’s saying.

Naturally Curly on October 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM

There are only 2 weeks left in the campaign, you do not want Romney to be mired in the squirrel chase by MSM debating whether the timeline is correct

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Correct-a-mundo!

JohnGalt23 on October 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM

Last night was all about tactics and appearances. Crowley’s chosen side was obvious; she’s a whelp. But Schieffer has about 50 years’ experience, and knows how to be subtle about getting his side ahead while not appearing to do so.

I didn’t watch because I can’t stand seeing Obama any more or hearing the timbre of his voice. From what I’m hearing, though, Mitt dodged every snare and got in a few good lines. Obama’s reactions showed he didn’t like one bit what was launched back, over and above his initial demeanor as a smug arrogant little boy acting like it was beneath him to be somehow questioned.

The verbal answers won’t define the debate. Rather, I believe, the overall personalities will be the deciding outcome.

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:22 AM

yep, unanimous on morning joe. obama punched mitt in the face all night long. obama won. mika giddy with joy.

renalin on October 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM

All 550K viewers, while Fox/Friends draws 1.5 million during same time period…I’ll take that any day.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:22 AM

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:19 AM

it sure doesn’t matter to msdnc or cnn if mitt was correct on that point thats for sure

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

GMA and CBS This Morning had Joe Biden on to perform his tough guy attack dog act.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

I did like Mitt’s new line, which I hope he finishes out his campaign with–Attacking Me Is Not An Agenda! He dropped that stink bomb on the Prezzy a few times last night.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

GMA and CBS This Morning had Joe Biden on to perform his tough guy attack dog act.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM

He probably humped their legs first.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:25 AM

A week from now, no one will remember a single word said in this debate. What they will remember is the candidate’s demeanor.

America does not want 4 more years of Barack Obama anymore than they want a second sip of spoiled milk. Romney’s mission was simple, present himself as a reasonable alternative to war-weary Independents and as a pleasant reasonable fellow to women.

Obama has another disadvantage going forward. The +7 Dem advantage in the average samples of all polling right now will disappear. To assume Obama will enjoy the same turnout advantages he did in 2008 would be madness. A 2004 turnout of D +0 is far more likely if not a D -2. As pollsters de-weaponize their polling and get serious, Romney will accelerate his lead.

My guess is the RCP average will be 53/47 by election day. There is a reason the RCP polling average is so accurate every year. The pollsters dump the garbage the final week.

Romney wins 53/47 (and yes, the irony is noted).

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 7:32 AM

I have a feeling a lot of ink and air time is going to be used today talking about this.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:33 AM

JohnGalt23 on October 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Mike Rogers was just on Bill Bennett’s show, and he essentially made the same argument that it was smart for Romney to avoid going into the weeds over Benghazi during the debate and said the process to investigate Barry and Co’s responsibility over the failure in Benghazi will continue in the congress.

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM

I feel the reason Gallup has been an “outlier” in favor of Romney is that they see this “de-weaponizing” of the polls coming and know that the samples will equalize. By going early for Romney they will be able to claim the entire next cycle that they were the first ones to get it right.

Even Rasmussen has been using a D +5 sample. I am willing to bet that will move to a D +2 sample this week which is also too high but more reasonable.

Right now, even in the most biased of polling, Romney is winning Independents by about 10 points – in some polls by as much as 20 points. There is simply NO WAY Obama wins this election losing Independents by 10 points, or even 5 points.

Last night, as can be seen in the PPP polling, Romney only extended his lead amongst Independents.

Obama is finished. Thank God.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 7:37 AM

I have a feeling a lot of ink and air time is going to be used today talking about this.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:33 AM

.
Stupid.
Attention getting, but stupid.

FlaMurph on October 23, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:33 AM

cnn and msdnc will focus on it if they think dear leader lost…. i wonder…

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:40 AM

The MSM’s orgasm will not be reflected in the polls, just like after the SloJoe’s clown show and the second presidential debate.

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM

If I wasn’t already going to vote for Romney, what would have closed the sale for me was how Obama shook Schieffer’s hand first at the end of the debate. I don’t know the etiquette, but I would expect the opposing sides to make immediate end to any hard feelings, if only for show.

Again, Obama petulance. He seems to have taken the whole debate series as a personal affront.

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Romney wins 53/47 (and yes, the irony is noted).

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 7:32 AM

.
Sesame Street…..otherwise known as the lying Ocommie administration, is brought to you by the number 47

A very telling number for our liberal comrades.

FlaMurph on October 23, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Ann Coulter really shouldn’t drink and tweet.

On what planet is calling the POTUS a “retard” a good political move? No Obama is not “retarded” (does anyone actually use that word anymore?). He is a bright guy which makes him dangerous. The Devil was never stupid – on the contrary, as the #1 Angel in Heaven he was probably the most clever of all creatures.

Anyway Ann, just shut up and go away.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 7:47 AM

I mean, you do not even call a retarded person a “retard”. It is a crude playground taunt.

I am just angry because you just know this is going to appear in ads. Stop giving ammunition to the enemy Ann.

mitchellvii on October 23, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Coulter makes me laugh 80% of the time and the other 20% she comes off as brilliant as Chris Matthews. If she waited 30 seconds before she sent that tweet and still sent it- she’s the retard.

Bensonofben on October 23, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Wow Bayview- even the aliens and their crop circles want Romney.

Bensonofben on October 23, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Debate-smuckbate… the biggest problem you Americans have is those 45% voting for western-type-communism no matter what.

What you will do with them?

Western type communism = communism who does not want a ban on abortion (as almost all communist states did, you’re into heavy jail time for doing it, both the parent and the medic), communism who support gays (which all communist states did not, good for them on this particular point), communism who support welfare (which all communist states did not – was go to work to win your bread or else kind of a deal), communism who appease islam (all communism states were pretty much against all religions, especially violent ones)

Note to editors: islam is just fine spelled with small capital.

Rookie on October 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Romney was statesmen-like, but I wonder if it matters. In the age of Honey Boo Boo, I fear subtlety is lost on the typical American voter. I’m afraid they’ll give Obama the win due to his LACK of subtlety and his aggression.

Not sure if “winning” this debate will matter, though. Between the baseball series and Monday Night Football, how many people were watching?

Grace_is_sufficient on October 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM

I am pretty sure we heard Schieffer refer to a character called “Obama Bin Laden” once.

I heard ‘Obama‘s Bin Laden’.
That really made me sit up.

Badger40 on October 23, 2012 at 8:02 AM

Between the baseball series and Monday Night Football, how many people were watching?

Grace_is_sufficient on October 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM

I was going to say there, that the Honey Boo Boo crowd wasn’t probably too interested in foreign policy.
I didn’t watch the debate. I can’t stand to see Obama even talk about the weather. The only thing I want from him is a concession speech.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM

He probably humped their legs first.

hillsoftx on October 23, 2012 at 7:25 AM

lol

Anti-Control on October 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Mike Rogers was just on Bill Bennett’s show, and he essentially made the same argument that it was smart for Romney to avoid going into the weeds over Benghazi during the debate and said the process to investigate Barry and Co’s responsibility over the failure in Benghazi will continue in the congress.

bayview on October 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM

We’ve gotten whatever mileage we’re going to get out of it before 11/6. Any more time spent on it is time not spent on hammering Team Liar for their myriad of economic failures.

It’s a horse race. For the next two weeks, it is the ground game. Remember, today is an excellent day to make some calls for the cause. So head down to GOP HQ, and commence the ass-kicking the Liar-in-Chief so richly deserves.

JohnGalt23 on October 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM

The whole apology tour exchange was devastating for Obama. Romney looked ready to be president last night, Obama looked weak and uninterested. That whole time in the debate when Obama was rambling on about aircraft carriers and submarines made him look like a child in front of Romney. People are seeking a leader for this country right now and Romney looks undaunted by the challenge ahead. Romney also did well to remind Americans how important our economic strength is in regards to foreign policy and the constant reminders of Obama’s failed economy are a crushing truth that Obama cannot avoid or overcome. I think we will continue to see Romney pull away after this debate.

Ellis on October 23, 2012 at 8:05 AM

From across the pond:

Romney won the presidential debate by looking presidential. Obama had a painful case of Biden’s smile

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM

I actually thought 0 had a case of Nixon’s grimace…

JohnGalt23 on October 23, 2012 at 8:06 AM

mitt wanted to pass the test not ace the test
-chuck todd

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM

I was going to say there, that the Honey Boo Boo crowd wasn’t probably too interested in foreign policy.
I didn’t watch the debate. I can’t stand to see Obama even talk about the weather. The only thing I want from him is a concession speech.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM

No, but I feel the whole culture has been inundated with aggressive and even blatantly obnoxious behavior. Our threshold for it is very, very high…to the point, perhaps, where “presidential” behavior isn’t appealing anymore.

Grace_is_sufficient on October 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM

why doesn’t he say OBAMA hasn’t been to ISRAEL since he was a CANDIDATE

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Why does that matter?

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:10 AM

I know it’s against his religion, but Romney should have pounded a Red Bull (or whatever Obama didn’t have before Round 1 but did before Rounds 2 and 3) before the debate. He looked tired, listless and defensive every time we turned over from the game to check out the debate.

Maybe he was a little dazed from the body blow Obama landed in the opening exchange.

“Critcizing me is not a foreign policy.”

And whining is not an effective debating tool.

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM

I heard ‘Obama‘s Bin Laden’.
That really made me sit up.

Badger40 on October 23, 2012 at 8:02 AM

That’s what Mr. Duh and I heard also.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Unfortunately, I think Mitt won the first debate for most people because they’re stupid and because they saw the MSM – from whom they still get their ‘news’ – freakout and say that Obama lost. It has the benefit of also being true, but that’s what the ultra-low information voters saw, and why in their eyes Obama lost.

I believe the MSM learned their lesson – to reign in their emotions, regain their statist discipline, and project Obama as the winner no matter what the hell happens.

This is why so many stupid voters will continue to think Obama ‘won’ last night; the MSM is busy confidently telling them so since the moment it was over.

Midas on October 23, 2012 at 8:14 AM

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM

No mention of the lies the boy king got caught in? Not surprising.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:15 AM

That was a trap. Since all of the information isn’t ‘in’, Obama would have retorted, Mitt can’t really speak to it; he’s making politics out of a tragedy. “But I’m in the know,” Obama might have added.

Mitt was smart to let that softball pass by without serious effort to catch it.

Liam on October 23, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Exactly, he knew Obama was prepped with all the quips, so he kept him off the subject.

What Mitt do was look presidential, the statement of “Attacking me doesn’t solve any problems, or attacking me isn’t an agenda” was very effective. It showed all Obama had was attacks and not solutions.

Obama finally came up with some “points” after Mitt several times had key points to resolve problems…as it fleshes out, Mitt will have won the voters again.

This was Obama’s Waterloo…it showed he has nothing on Mitt, so a change in presidents won’t be harmful or risky…

right2bright on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Dante because its a disgrace that he only went there during his campaign and yet chose not to visit while c in c

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Obama was a straight up jackass in the debate. At times it seemed like Romney chose to sit back and let Obama on his own reveal Obama’s true nature. This was very smart of Romney. Obama was belittling, petty and petulant when he tried to insult Romney regarding the Navy warships and also when he tried to laughably suggest that Romney wanted to liquidate the auto industry. After Romney at one point had finished talking about Iran’s nuclear program, Obama launched into some strange, small attack about some business in China that Romney had some kind of investment in previously. How on earth this man Barack Obama was ever seen as likable by voters I will never know. The only thing I can think of is that many voters never really saw what Obama was truly like. After last night, I think many more saw Obama’s true personality revealed.

If Joe Biden and Barack Obama think that belittling their opponents in debates And throwing out sarcastic insults in a self-superior manner is going to win them more votes, then they are going to be in for a rude awakening on November 6.

A lot of people are embarrassed that they fell for the Obama propaganda type back in 2008.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM

*hype

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 8:22 AM

“Critcizing me is not a foreign policy.”

And whining is not an effective debating tool.

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Well, it was effective, and calmness and an even demeanor is what many women want, and he is after the women’s vote.

And, btw, criticizing and not having solutions is not a foreign policy…that is one line that showed he scored big.

Pointing out a fact is not “whining” unless your man is being stomped on…Obama sounded petualant “we have ships that launch planes, their called aircraft carriers, and ships that go under water, they are called submarines, nuclear submarines”…how childish is that?

And,btw, our aircraft carriers and support lend more relief assistance than military assistance, so they serve two jobs, not just one…Obama is clueless about the military, even after being the “CINC” for 4 years.

right2bright on October 23, 2012 at 8:24 AM

This is why so many stupid voters will continue to think Obama ‘won’ last night; the MSM is busy confidently telling them so since the moment it was over.

Midas on October 23, 2012 at 8:14 AM

But a lot of people thought Obama “won” the 2nd debate and still came away preferring Romney on substance. I think most folks are past the whole “Obama is a brilliant speaker” thing. First because he’s actually not that good at it. And secondly, because they want genuine leadership and they ain’t getting it from Barry right now. Even the most partisan left-wing hacks acknowledge that he’s offered no agenda for a second term.

I think the polls for the 3rd debate will show it as a tie or slight Obama win, but that the momentum will continue for Mitt all the way to Election Day.

Doughboy on October 23, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Why does that matter?
Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Have you ever once posted something here that wasn’t a contrarian comment, or is that really all you like to do?

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Dante because its a disgrace that he only went there during his campaign and yet chose not to visit while c in c

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Whispers to cmsinaz: Dante is in the Ron Paul Israel as the root of all our ills camp.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Dante because its a disgrace that he only went there during his campaign and yet chose not to visit while c in c

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

You didn’t answer my question. Why does it matter?

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Well, it was effective, and calmness and an even demeanor is what many women want, and he is after the women’s vote.

And, btw, criticizing and not having solutions is not a foreign policy…that is one line that showed he scored big.

Pointing out a fact is not “whining” unless your man is being stomped on…Obama sounded petualant “we have ships that launch planes, their called aircraft carriers, and ships that go under water, they are called submarines, nuclear submarines”…how childish is that?

And,btw, our aircraft carriers and support lend more relief assistance than military assistance, so they serve two jobs, not just one…Obama is clueless about the military, even after being the “CINC” for 4 years.

right2bright on October 23, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Calmness? He looked like he hadn’t slept in two nights.

And, indeed he was whining.

we have ships that launch planes, their called aircraft carriers, and ships that go under water, they are called submarines, nuclear submarines”…how childish is that?

And how stupid is Romney’s “we have fewer ships now…”

If he’s going to talk like a moron, he deserves to be talked to as though is a moron.

Glad you brought that up, though — the only decent smackdown of the night by either side.

“We have fewer horses and bayonets…”

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM

LOL at Bill O’Reilly on Fox News. BILL WANTS TO MODERATE A DEBATE oh yes he does. Last night was a “snoozer”. “No one wants to ask them questions!”
He’s going to rail for two weeks that they have to do his show or face the consequences. LOL at that blow-hard. He out blows Biden.

Marcus on October 23, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Dante because its a disgrace that he only went there during his campaign and yet chose not to visit while c in c

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Further, he’s only your Commander in Chief if you are active-duty military, and only C in C during wartime, and can only order the military to do anything if Congress first authorizes it.

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM

It matters because Israel is not only our strongest ally but it is an essential power in the middle east to check the terrorist states around it that seek to wipe it off the planet. It matters strategically. It also matters geopolitically when Obama is making the rounds to Israels enemies apologizing for America’s strength and then shows Israels enemies whose side he is on by not visiting Israel. What kind of image to you tthink that paints for radical muslims when America’s president disses Israel? Why do you think it does not matter?

Ellis on October 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Dante because its a disgrace that he only went there during his campaign and yet chose not to visit while c in c

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Don’t bother – unless you enjoy Dante’s word salads.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:34 AM

And whining is not an effective debating tool.

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:11 AM

I know..but that’s all Obama has. He’s a whiny, petulant little loser..much like you.

HumpBot Salvation on October 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Glad you brought that up, though — the only decent smackdown of the night by either side.

“We have fewer horses and bayonets…”

urban elitist on October 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Uh, you might want to google that and see how it’s playing in Peoria this morning.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Because he cant talk about visiting Israel as president he visited several surrounding countries but couldn’t take the time to visit them it shows contempt

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM

And what in the heck was up with that demonic death stare that Obama gave throughout the debate? Honestly, it was disturbing. I don’t think it made Obama come off well at all.

As for people saying that Obama won a debate, I think a lot of people are now more willing to generously acknowledge that, while Obama might say things well, he is wrong on the issues and has a terrible record and does not deserve reelection.

For the record, I do not think that Obama is any kind of gifted orator. Nor do I think he is particularly witty or sharp on his feet. I think he comes across like a narcissistic, aloof, self-superior, snooty, jackass much of the time. But I have no problem with people increasingly viewing him as good with words but bad with action and policy.

Saying you believe someone won a debate is not a lot different than saying you believe someone gave a better speech. The fact that someone believes a politician gives eloquent or moving speeches does not mean that they are necessarily going to be more inclined to vote for that person. With Obama, I think many people are now in their minds drawing a distinction between his speech-giving (and debate) abilities and the record that he delivered.

I’m just happy that a result of Obama’s constant, nasty, dishonest personal attacks on Romney has been to greatly diminish Obama’s personal favorability ratings.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Because he cant talk about visiting Israel as president he visited several surrounding countries but couldn’t take the time to visit them it shows contempt

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM

You still haven’t answered the question. Why does it matter that the president visits or doesn’t visit Israel (or any other country, for that matter)?

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Not sure how anyone could think Obama won.

blatantblue on October 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM

All politics aside, Mitt Romney seems like a very nice, decent person. Barack Obama seems like a smug jerk who is too into himself. I think a lot of people are realizing this.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Because the only response that Obama could come back to mitt was his visit as a candidate….hes been president for four years it sounded pathetic….

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:44 AM

NEW Romney TV AD: “Apology Tour”

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Because the only response that Obama could come back to mitt was his visit as a candidate….hes been president for four years it sounded pathetic….

cmsinaz on October 23, 2012 at 8:44 AM

So you don’t have an answer. You can’t explain why it is important that a president does or doesn’t visit a country.

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:46 AM

President-in-waiting correcting impudent kid:

“Mr President, I’m speaking.”

MrLynn on October 23, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I will be recording MSNBC (which I strictly avoid at all times) so I am sure to be able to watch over and over again when Tingles Matthews and Rachel Maddog go completely insane on air.

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2012 at 2:04 AM

I think you’re late by at least a few months already.

Archivarix on October 23, 2012 at 8:54 AM

If you think Obama looked small and petty, wait until you see the Democrats on the 7th. Win or lose they’re going to lay claim to the small and petty crown for all time.

claudius on October 23, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Calmness? He looked like he hadn’t slept in two nights.

And, indeed he was whining.

You do realize that you are an absolute joke because your liberal communistic way of looking at the world, colors your one-sided truth and you can’t understand why we aren’t just falling down worshiping at your feet in agreement.

Sorry YOUR man is the one look and acting petulant and whiny. And what is up with him never dressing a crisply as some media folks like to pretend he does. He can’t tie a tie to save is life and that is a joke.. he is the PRESIDENT!

Noelie on October 23, 2012 at 8:59 AM

I didnt watch the debate: cant stand to see Obama talk. I am pleased that Romney didn’t fall into any traps this time. He learned from the last debate. He is a very smart man & we could use that in a president for a change.

cheetah2 on October 23, 2012 at 9:00 AM

So you don’t have an answer. You can’t explain why it is important that a president does or doesn’t visit a country.

And you don’t have a point, so take your toys and go home

Noelie on October 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Romney won. Decisively. He didn’t go to Benghazi; I was disappointed we didn’t hear about Fast and Furious and that Obama’s announcing the death of Bin Laden the day of, made all the info we captured essentially useless. I was disappointed that he didn’t stick Obama with the securty leaks which even Diane Feinstein attacked (and, BTW, the big investigation has apparently stalled). Nonetheless, Romney won. On points and sanity. There are no headlines and Mr. Me came across as a petulant, conceited, nasty little man. Of course, I knew when Obama was lying. His A$$ off. He didn’t affirm Iran’s contested election? He came out in defense of the people in the streets asking America where are you? Not quite that forgetful, Mr. President.

Israel? He visited Israelis who endured daily attacks and help build bubbles? Really? He visited Yad Veshim (sp?)? He could visit the Holocaust Museum in DC. Stupid, stupid equivalency. And Romney had to explain the term “geo-political” to the nasty little man. And Obama didn’t answer the charges on Poland. Not a word.

I do understand that Romney can’t say things in foreign affairs which might send a wrong signal. His signal to our enemies that there will be a new, stronger, more attentive and realistic sheriff in town was sufficient. His reassurance that he KNOWS his subject matter was reassuring—Romney is simply way more intelligent and well-read than Islam-supporting Obama. Romney won hands down.

Portia46 on October 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM

“President Top Grade vs President Downgrade.”

Archivarix on October 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Isolationists like Dante don’t want the US President traveling internationally at all.

blink on October 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Non-interventionist.

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM

RASMUSSEN: R 50% O 46%… DEVELOPING…

Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM

RASMUSSEN: R 50% O 46%… DEVELOPING…
Resist We Much on October 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Looking good to me.

bluegill on October 23, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Really, I can’ t make up my mind this morning. Help me out, people. Who today is funnier with their little argumentative cul-de-sac that let’s them avoid discussing the oncoming Mack truck of Obama defeat? Is it Dante’s Seventh Circle of Tedium or is it the Urban Effete Swish?

M240H on October 23, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Further, he’s only your Commander in Chief if you are active-duty military, and only C in C during wartime, and can only order the military to do anything if Congress first authorizes it.

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM

You mean like bomb the crap out of Libya…oh wait…

Mitoch55 on October 23, 2012 at 9:18 AM

It wasn’t just the tight lipped scowl that prezzy presented, he kept pointing that bony finger in our faces, too. Think about it, only took him 2 years to memorize his stump speeches to get all his talking points out as answers during the debates. Notice how Bob told him to shut up while Mitt was speaking and wait for his turn? Oh wait…

Since the O campaign had to borrow $15M from BofA, that could be used in an ad. He continues to borrow and spend after all the fund raisers and travel on our dime. Can’t even manage his campaign dough.

Kissmygrits on October 23, 2012 at 9:18 AM

So, dumbypokey, who won the debate–Snarky Obama or President Romney?

NOMOBO on October 23, 2012 at 9:20 AM

You didn’t answer my question. Why does it matter?

Dante on October 23, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Its not that people don’t want to answer you, its that people don’t give a damn what your narrow minded puerile response will be.

ShadowsPawn on October 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I have a feeling a lot of ink and air time is going to be used today talking about this.

Flora Duh on October 23, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Coulter needs to know better, that does us no good two weeks out. All it does is give the left ammunition.

Pretty amazing to see leftists like christina applegate calling out Coulter — have you seen whose on your side?? Bill Maher anyone?? Ed Schultz??? etc..

LevinFan on October 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

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