Wrap up: The third debate; Update: Insta-polls coming in

posted at 11:02 pm on October 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

The nearly universal consensus on Twitter is that Romney won by holding his own, which is all a challenger needs to do in a foreign-policy debate. After watching him talk about international affairs for 90 minutes, does he seem like a guy you’d trust with the button? If yes, then mission accomplished.

Doesn’t matter who won the battle, says Ron Fournier. What matters is who won the war:

Mitt Romney wins. That’s not to say he won Monday night’s debate or the presidential campaign, but it’s safe to say he won an important chapter: The debate season…

There are ample reasons for both Obama and Romney to feel optimistic about their chances Nov. 6. But through his own steady performances and a spectacular first-debate failure by the incumbent, Romney has cleared an important hurdle: A near-decisive number of Americans believe that he is a viable alternative to Obama, an incumbent saddled with a weak economy and a pessimistic national mood.

Another point made more than once in the national tweet scrum tonight was that it sometimes felt like Romney was the incumbent and Obama the angry, occasionally snide challenger. That’s a byproduct, I’m sure, of Team Mitt rehearsing very carefully to capture the sort of tone that Murphy mentioned above. Romney wanted to show the audience not just that he understands Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran, but that he’s unflappable even in a tense situation. Obama wasn’t facing that test so he could afford to be more aggressive, if only to impress his base. Because he was playing offense, I’ll bet that he wins the insta-polls. But that won’t matter; the bottom line is that Romney’s still on track. Stand by for updates.

Update: To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back. Which is an old enough gag that I think it actually does date to the 1980s.

Update: No surprise:

Waiting for CNN’s poll and, maybe, some focus group video.

Update: A curious lack of curiosity:

Soledad O’Brien was just interviewing the CNN undecided voter focus group. She asked them (quoting from memory): “How many of you changed your mind based upon tonight’s debate.” A whole bunch of hands went up. But — and this is not a joke — O’Brien refused to ask them who they’d would vote for because voting is a “private matter.”

I’m not making this up.

Update: Hearing on Twitter that CNN’s insta-poll has Obama winning 48/40. O won the insta-poll after the second debate by a nearly identical margin, and yet the Mitt-mentum continued. Meanwhile, for what it’s worth, Mark Halperin calls it a flat tie.

Update: A more significant poll result, maybe:

Update: Say, what happened to the Benghazi tonight?

Update: Another key data point:

Update: George Will celebrates the triumph of anti-interventionists:

Update: Not much of a “win” for O, was it?


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GW_SS-Delta on October 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

YOU SKIPPED ISREAL – and they noticed !

Quote of the debate

stenwin77 on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

The picture on Drudge says it all.

verbaluce is dopey.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

It was Romney’s to lose and he didn’t.

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Romney was awesome–presidential and above the fray; Obama looked small and petty next to him. The Obama people wanted Romney. And well… they got him. Be careful what you wish for.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

On to rallies & GOTV

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

romney wins in tone? this wont wash…

nathor on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Romney with at least 300 Electoral votes.

Word.

TKindred on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

How did we not end up talking about Mexico, Fast & Furious, illegal immigration, etc.?!?

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

By what measure?

herm2416 on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Foreign policy version of debate 1. Obama looked resigned to the fact that his presidency is over at the end of debate.

Ellis on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

weak spin allah

DBear on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

but not on Election eve

skatz51 on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Hey Barry….. Soldiers still use Bayonets….

What a dufus

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Ron Fournier? Haven’t heard that name in years.

But he seems to have it right.

(Disclaimer: I did not watch the debate)

Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Krauthammer nailed it.

Obama looked tired and beaten.

Chris Wallace said that if he’d landed on the stage from an island one would have thought that Romney was the president.

Best faux pas of Child Obama “our nation, Me…”. I laughed out loud.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

President Romney!

workingclass artist on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

LOL at C-SPAN callers who start w/ getting to know you chit-chat

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

This is the type of debate results where we’ll start hearing on HA that it ‘doesn’t matter’ who won.
Just like we’ll soon start hearing how some new polls are ‘not reliable’.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Obama wasn’t facing that test so he could afford to be more aggressive, if only to impress his base.

He still doesn’t realize that his “base” alone will not get him re-elected. No matter how many dead people they get to vote.

GarandFan on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Obama looked incredibly petty and immature. He lied every time he opened his mouth, used nothing but empty rhetoric and logical fallacies.

tom daschle concerned on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Romney wrongfooted 0bama, who must have spend a lot of time on how to defend his almost criminal lies on Libya – all wasted.

0bama looked small and petty, Romney presidential.

Rebar on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

The GOPe will betray you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Romney was awesome–presidential and above the fray; Obama looked small and petty next to him. The Obama people wanted Romney. And well… they got him. Be careful what you wish for.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I can’t imagine that all 0′s peevish looks impressed too many undecideds, either. What a chump.

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

but not on Election eve

skatz51 on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

You concede tonight based on nothing but a delusional commenter.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Libya was surprisingly underplayed.

Thought Mitt came off strong, especially when he kept tying it back to Economic health/security of nation.

Johnny Crow on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Romney proved absolutely that he is and will be Presidential. Class.

Slainte on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Van Jones says “Look at 9:21 pm, Obama’s Intrade jumped to 80 from 62″

That was actually the DATE 9/21. Obama’s down 20 pts in a month and Van Jones proves that communists don’t understand numbers.

Washington Fancy on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

The picture on Drudge says it all.
verbaluce is dopey.
Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Yup. That’s tension. He’s sweating’ it. Ha.

Cleombrotus on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

The closing statements said it all.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Sad when even Candy Crowley notices that all 0 could do was try to knock Romney….

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Hey cool. What did he win, a cupie doll?

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Oh, wrap up… I love presents!:)

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

I agree..:)

PS..Good evening!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

but not on Election eve

skatz51 on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

That may indeed be the case –
but I truly appreciate your not spinning a false debate verdict.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I still think The Joker gets a razor-thin win on election night.

Color me cynical.

SagebrushPuppet on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I don’t think the prevent defense used by Romney worked. You at least have to look like you’re trying, which is where Obama struggled in debate #1. But let’s see what the snap polls say.

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Yup. That’s tension. He’s sweating’ it. Ha.

Cleombrotus on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

He looks tired and knows he’s beaten. His eyelashes each weighed a ton.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Romney shook up his etchasketch self and whored himself to the middle again, and none of you are objective enough to call him out on it.

Obama held his own and won the debate.

Dave Rywall on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Another point made more than once in the national tweet scrum tonight was that it sometimes felt like Romney was the incumbent and Obama the angry, occasionally snide challenger.

Good point. I kept thinking it odd that Obama was so upset about Romney’s record when we were really concerned about the failures of Obama. The only thing I can draw from Obama regarding his desired second term is that he will spend less money on defense and more on bridges. I guess you could say he’s redistributing the spending.

MeatHeadinCA on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

The GOPe will betray you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

h/t last nite’s QOTD

The GOPe will send a cat w/ a weak bladder to your house to pi$$ all over your stuff! :)

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

y’all stay cool

g nite

cmsinaz on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Good grief Luntz has quite the crew tonight.

Nikkia2112 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

OMG, Frank Luntz has Anna Nicole Smith (‘s grandmother) on the panel. And she’s DUM.

Naturally Curly on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The closing statements said it all.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Yes. And the look on the Lightbringer’s face when he hugged his Fury. :)

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Get used to saying President Romney, libs

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I just wish Romney had gone for the knockout.

“32 years ago, a Governor asked Americans if they were better off than they were four years ago. We realized we were not, and would not be until we had a change in leadership. We took a chance and elected Ronald Reagan. Our country had a remarkable period of economic growth as a result of changing leaders. Tonight, I’m asking if you if that lesson holds true? If you believe you and your neighbors are doing better today, then by all means President Obama is your man. But, if you believe that we as a nation can and must do better, then why spend another four years hoping with someone who hasn’t delivered in the past four?”

amazingmets on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

How did we not end up talking about Mexico, Fast & Furious, illegal immigration, etc.?!?

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

That’s domestic policy stuff…

Gohawgs on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Dave Rywall on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Hah, laughing at you is schadenfreudig. You know exactly what happened and you spew fluff. Your boy is tired and he knows he’s beaten. Krauthammer, a Phd in psychology, knows better than you.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Romney’s worst answer was by far his first set of answers on Libya. We need to spend more money on foreign aid to the middle east? Really? Educational development and gender equality? That’s your plan? Last I checked, Pakistan was more than happy to cash our check and give Osama bin Laden luxury accomodations.

That, plus saying that we can’t kill our way out of the middle east (which, to lift a phrase from Obama 2008, yes we can) was embarassing. He recovered after that and was clearly more comfortable talking about economic issues.

Romney’s best answer was going after Obama on his apology tour, as well as pulling back on the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe. He missed the opportunity to score points on Israel’s borders, the Falklands, and Honduras.

Stoic Patriot on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Libya was surprisingly underplayed.

Thought Mitt came off strong, especially when he kept tying it back to Economic health/security of nation.

Johnny Crow on October 22, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Like Krauthammer said, it’s not the choice that I would have made, but I think that Romney was right to leave it alone. Less is more.

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Well if nothing else, at least we both learned what they call those ships that go under water.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The more Barry aggressively went at Romney, the more Romney looked like the guy who knows he could seriously kick arse, but doesn’t because it would be too easy.

Slainte on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

PS..Good evening!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

:D I’ll be a heckuva lot better in two weeks! :D

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Romney held his own and looked Presidential. Obama looked desperate. Since foreign policy is not the main issue voters are going to make a decision on who to vote for, but the economy, I think Romney was smart to focus on the economy as much as he did. You will note that Obama first brought the debate back to the economy. Maybe it’s because he knows he is weak and tried to shore it up but he has such a miserable record, I don’t know how he thought he could win on the issue. Obama did nothing to fire up his base or to sway any undecideds. Romney fired up the base by giving them a winning 3 debate performance.

How did he ever lose to McCain?

they lie on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Just admit Obama owned him tonight. Will Allah post how many times Romney agreed with Obama

HotAirLib on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

How do the morons in Luntz’s group think Obama won on foreign policy?!?!?

Darksean on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I don’t think the prevent defense used by Romney worked. You at least have to look like you’re trying, which is where Obama struggled in debate #1. But let’s see what the snap polls say.

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Because that was so pivotal in dictating public opinion shift after the last debate, right gumball?

KingGold on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Two things that really upset me about Romney tonight as in missed opportunities:

1. How could Mitt not hammer obama on not giving the extra security as requested…. or on how obama removing Qaddafi put the terrorists in charge of Libya?

2. Why not mention that obama refused to meet with Netanyahu and has tried to embarrass him on several occasions?

LevinFan on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

mitt looked and sounded presidential, capable, 0 – small and petty

runner on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Romney shook up his etchasketch self and whored himself to the middle again, and none of you are objective enough to call him out on it.

Obama held his own and won the debate.

Dave Rywall on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Just to be clear, Mitt is an extremist because he “whores himself to the middle?”

MeatHeadinCA on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I was wrong about Romney. I thought he’d be worse than McCain. He has proved me wrong in every way. I’m impressed.

joekenha on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

HotAirLib on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

HAL…sing DAISY.

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

rofl..That is hilarious!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Hey cool. What did he win, a cupie doll?

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

A get out of Washington free card.

backwoods conservative on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

OMG, Frank Luntz has Anna Nicole Smith (‘s grandmother) on the panel. And she’s DUM.

Naturally Curly on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Did you see the race-traitor black woman in the front row who supports Romney? She’s a disgrace.

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Mary Katharine Ham @mkhammer
RT @ppppolls: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

To see what I mean by snide, here’s O telling Romney that the 1980s called and asked for their foreign policy back.

Jerk store v2.0? I mean really, that sounds so grade school playground!

ThePrez on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Obama played small ball and Romney played big…BHO looked like he knows he’s losing.

d1carter on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Libya was a trap. Well played by team Romney.

Corporal Tunnel on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

mitt looked and sounded presidential, capable, 0 – small and petty

runner on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I thought Mitt had a great defense of capitalism in there. Did Obama even use the word “prosperity?”

MeatHeadinCA on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Yes. And the look on the Lightbringer’s face when he hugged his Fury. :)

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

He was so small that he didn’t even thank the moderator and the audience…”me, Me, I, bla, bla, bla, bla….”

He was shocked when Romney started his speech the way he did. I loved that Romney drew to go last.

Also, two things I advocated:

1. Red tie for Romney – he looked presidential.

2. NO questions asked of the defensive teenager.

I watched Obama intensely. He knows he’s beaten.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Didn’t you say that Obama would have a huge bounce from the jobs report?

Didn’t you say that Obama would have a bounce from the Biden debate?

Didn’t you say that Obama would have a bounce from the 2nd debate?

Didn’t you say that Gallup would be favoring Obama today?

Stop lying, turd.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I was wrong about Romney. I thought he’d be worse than McCain. He has proved me wrong in every way. I’m impressed.

joekenha on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I agree – and there’s a lot of that going around these days.

KingGold on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Obama came in to this debate looking for a fight. He wanted to be aggressive so that he could bring some momentum back to his campaign. Romney refused to oblige him thereby taking that opportunity away from him. Though a lot of people were complaining that Romney should be more aggressive, he didn’t rise to the bait and provide that spark.

bandutski on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Jeebus…. Thank Gawd I don’t have to see Barry get spanked in another debate…. He looked like he was auditioning for the MSNBC 5′Oclock Time slot.

roflmao

donabernathy on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

cynccook on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I hear you!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Krauthammer said Romney won and he think he is right. I do not know who will win the instapolls, but Obama seemed angry and testy tonight and that is not really good for him. After all, he is supposed to be such a likeable kind of guy. And all that crap.

Terrye on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

omney’s worst answer was by far his first set of answers on Libya. We need to spend more money on foreign aid to the middle east? Really? Educational development and gender equality? That’s your plan? Last I checked, Pakistan was more than happy to cash our check and give Osama bin Laden luxury accomodations.

That, plus saying that we can’t kill our way out of the middle east (which, to lift a phrase from Obama 2008, yes we can) was embarassing. He recovered after that and was clearly more comfortable talking about economic issues.

Romney’s best answer was going after Obama on his apology tour, as well as pulling back on the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe. He missed the opportunity to score points on Israel’s borders, the Falklands, and Honduras.

Stoic Patriot on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Welll… he did suggest that foreign aid would be conditioned on appropriate behavior by the recepients…

I LOVED his riff on the apology tour!!! “We don’t dictate to people; we liberate them.” Go get ‘im, Mr. President!

ghostwriter on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MSNBC are having a pile of diapers and Depends carried out already.

Matthews called us all “racists”, no kidding.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Dire Straits on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Good evening to you sir, and the rest of Hot Air Nation. :)
I won’t be here long. Listening to a Ravi Zacharias video.

22044 on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Obama win tonight.

verbaluce on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

He “won” the second debate, too. How did that work out for ya? Still waiting for that big, second debate bounce.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Holy crap! I just saw DoucheBear! The San Fran Sicko Treat!

Lanceman on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Heh. Luntz lost control of his focus group. Fisticuffs to follow.

a capella on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

How do the morons in Luntz’s group think Obama won on foreign policy?!?!?

Darksean on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I have ZERO respect for any focus group memeber. Nothing but wishy washy morons. How could anyone not have their mind made up by now??

LevinFan on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Stoic Patriot on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The answer on Libya wasn’t given to appeal to Conservatives, people like us. It was given to appeal to Indies. That’s the lens we have to see these debates through.

Corporal Tunnel on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Romney won on his closing statement alone. The King was sweating bullets and looked just as bad as he did in the first debate.

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I love trolls. I love how they imagine their trolling somehow shapes post-debate narratives. I love how clueless they are to the fact that the only voters that really matter as far as these debates are concerned don’t spend time on sites like these. Romney wins because he didn’t lose, and the only thing your spinning will do is make you dizzy trolls. I look forward to you trolls pretending the election never happened and start obsessing over every little utterance that President pro tempore Romney makes.

NotCoach on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I hope Preibus, the RNC, and others make and ad with Obama “our nation, Me…”

He’s such a tiny little king, in his own big emtpy head.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I concur. Mitt carried himself like a president. Obama carried himself like a petulant child whose been denied.

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

mitt was clearly an adult, 0…well, bitter clingers, aka his base, will like his finger shaking shtick , that’s about it.

runner on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I think Bob Schieffer knew he could not insert himself into this debate thanks to Candy Crowley.

d1carter on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Mitt blew it, Wargamer!

He was tentative and nervous and every bit as lethargic as Obama in debate #1.

The poll results will be much worse for Romney than after debate #2.

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

3 strikes and ya out

Buh Bye Barry

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Oh, kudos for Romney on how he handled the teenager’s interruptions.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Yeah, but at least O feels the Israelis’ pain on those rocket attacks by Hamas. All Romney does is let his blind trust invest in Chinese companies. LOOOO-ser!

J.E. Dyer on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

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