Open thread: The third debate

posted at 8:34 pm on October 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET all across the dial except for Fox, which will carry Game 7 of the NLCS. Between that and “Monday Night Football,” it’s a lead-pipe cinch that this will be the lowest-rated of the three debates, especially since people typically don’t vote based on foreign policy anyway. This “Onion” preview of the debate captures the stakes reasonably well, notwithstanding John Kerry’s pre-debate spin that tonight is a “reckoning” for Romney because he’s been, ahem, inconsistent on the issues.

For what it’s worth, I completely agree with Jonah Goldberg:

Foreign policy, the ostensible subject of tonight’s debate, is not as conducive to sweeping statements of ideological principle as domestic policy is these days. Americans are weary of war, wary of the Arab Spring, and fed up with many of the hassles and perceived economic hardships that come with being the leader of the world. By no means do I think Romney should back off principled disagreements with Obama. But the voters Romney needs don’t much care about winning the argument over Libya or the the war on terror generally. They want to hear (or, rather, Romney needs them to hear) why they shouldn’t be worried about Romney being commander-in-chief. That kind of reassurance comes from seeming reasonable above all else. The price for that may be to say “I agree with President Obama” more than I would like and framing things in such a way that Obama is the one who’s forced to seem un-reassuring. To that end, on Libya, like so many other issues, Romney should calmly make his case and let Obama get angry in response.

A little Ron Paul tonight would go a long way. I don’t want to see Romney turn isolationist, but between the Benghazi attack, the rising Islamist tide in Egypt, the maelstrom in Syria, and the decade-long drift in Afghanistan, there are a lot of undecideds out there who might perk up tonight if he signaled that it’s time to pull back a bit from the Middle East. S.E. Cupp gave him the same advice on MSNBC today, encouraging him to critique Obama on drone strikes and the “kill list.” Does Mitt have that in him, though? Many of his foreign-policy advisors are Bush veterans and Romney’s big knock on O in international affairs has always been that you can’t lead from behind. He’s embraced a “peace through strength” message, which means we’re more likely to see marginal disagreements on the hawkish/interventionist end of the spectrum tonight than the starker disputes of the sort you see between them on the economy. For what it’s worth, though:

If he’s going to try to out-interventionist Obama, he’d better come prepared with arguments for why O’s chosen interventions weren’t such hot ideas. Topic A tonight is likely to be Benghazi, with Romney tempted to get down in the weeds about what Obama knew and when. That’ll be difficult: The White House spent the weekend leaking to reporters about the early confusion over what happened at the consulate, with both Obama himself and Susan Rice supposedly being briefed that the attack was spontaneous until 10 days afterward. O wanted that out there so that he could point to those news stories at the debate, of course. (Another pair of leaked stories on Saturday claimed that Al Qaeda had no ties to the attack and also that militants tied to Al Qaeda participated in it.) Team Romney was needling him before the debate this afternoon about the shifting narrative, but that’s not the deeper foreign-policy point here. The deep point is that O (a) undertook a dubious intervention in Libya without congressional approval, (b) failed to anticipate how it would empower Islamists in Africa, including/especially in Mali and Syria, as Qaddafi’s arsenal of weapons like shoulder-fired missiles was expropriated, and (c) then inexplicably left the U.S. ambassador without security, leading to his murder and a new counterterrorism crisis for the U.S. that may end up alienating our new “friends” in Libya once we strike back. More from Danger Room:

But several aspects of his foreign policy have either skirted on the edge of disaster or risk tipping over into them, whether it’s the surge and ensuing the drawdown from Afghanistan; or his inconsistent approach to the Arab Spring, where he’ll intervene in Libya but not Syria. Indeed, Libya looked like the successful ouster of a dictator with no U.S. casualties, but it turned out the U.S. neglected the warning signs of Islamist resurgence in eastern Libya until it murdered four Americans.

Benghazi resonated because it pierced that veneer of competence. It’s reasonable to wonder if there are about to be several Benghazis on Obama’s watch, whether in the form of raided Mideast embassies or Taliban advances or an Iranian nuke. Obama’s most urgent task in this debate is to explain why there won’t be.

That’s Romney’s task tonight. Pierce the veil of competence with which the Foreign Policy President surrounds himself — here’s a good place to start — and leave an impression of competence yourself, especially by having a smart answer ready when Schieffer inevitably asks how your foreign policy differs from Bush’s. (That would make a fine question for President Drone Strike too, needless to say.) Below you’ll find the handy dandy Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. I’ll leave you with this from Walter Russell Mead:

Above all, Governor Romney wants voters coming away from this debate with the impression that he would be a “safe pair of hands.” He’s tough enough to do what’s necessary, but laid-back enough not to do too much. If he’s attacking the President’s policies, it isn’t because he wants to bring Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney back inot the Situation Room. As far as possible, Governor Romney wants to impress voters tonight that a vote for him is a vote for safety, peace and a quiet life. The world is scary enough these days; Americans aren’t looking for a scary President.



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Luntz group screaming

kareyk on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Are the dunces going to fight? I love it.

milcus on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I drive past my polling place everyday on my way to work. Might have to stop by in about 335 hours..just to say hello. Lol.

Soon,,, so soon.

wolly4321 on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Obama “I took the shot” that killed Osama bin Laden.

“Check the transcript.”

Christien on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Food fight on Luntz

Sekhmet on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Luntz’s group losing control of themselves.

Night Owl on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

haha

Luntz’s group is fighting

Slade73 on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Looks like the Luntz group wants to have the brawl that never came about in the debate itself.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

and idiots- some of them anyway.

kareyk on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

mika will think he did awesome, he attacked mitt..way to go

cmsinaz on October 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Mika ever says anything? Every time I watch morning Joe she just nods her head vigorously, either approvingly or disapprovingly, but that’s about her whole contribution every time…

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

These people are not completely undecided.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

God love ‘em – Luntz’s dunces were right last time (Romney improved in the polls), let’s see how they do this time.

My god its sad we look to these people for direction.

Elchasebo on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Who is this dunce who says Americans are impatient and spoiled? She looks like Anna Nicole Smith.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Sounds like she’s channeling Billy Jeff…

BigWyo on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Seriously? You can’t even spell “loser” (once is a typo, twice is ignorance) and you expect your opinion to be taken seriously?

Another product of the Texas public education system.

urban elitist

You are a looser. A loser too, lol.

Can you see him interrupting some foreign leader in this manner and getting their cooperation after doing so?
Even Chris Wallace is conceding Mitt was right on points.

Kissmygrits

He would be too busy bowing to do that.

xblade on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Oh noes! Blonde over made up bimbo and other female on Luntz panel about to come to blows!

Gettycorn on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Luntz group cat fight breaks out… I would love to see one of these Luntz groups just go all out brawl MMA style

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Mary Katharine Ham @mkhammer
RT @ppppolls: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I don’t see how this one is a win for Obama. Ans insta polls never mean crap anyway.

bgibbs1000 on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Mitt was right to get on the economy as a foreign policy issue.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Who is this dunce who says Americans are impatient and spoiled? She looks like Anna Nicole Smith.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Just taking her cue from Bubba’s latest talking points. Pay her no mind. :)

RedNewEnglander on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Some lady said that Obama is not qualified to be Commander in Chief…

d1carter on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Note Romney’s subtle jab at Bubba–any president would’ve made the call (any president EXCEPT you, William).

OUCH!

Christien on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The Luntz group last week was calm and in agreement, and the word bullsh** slipped past the censors. Considering where the group is now, I’m expecting an mf-bomb to jump out.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

What were Luntz’s dunces listening to on FP?

stukinIL4now on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Here we go. Luntz’s focus group.

conservative pilgrim on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Headed for a ladies night fist fight.

hawkdriver on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

shut up Luntz

Slade73 on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

After the last debate (debate # 2) the media had “flash polls” that showed Obama winning. However, the polls (biased as they are) continue to show Romney increasing his lead.

The media will probably continue to manipulate the polls to show Obama winning, but the proof will be on November 6 with the size of the Romney landslide.

jaime on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Stoic Patriot on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Agree with many of your points. I cringed at some of the stuff that was coming out of Romney’s mouth.

KickandSwimMom on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

How do you say aloha in austrian?

wolly4321 on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Rubio on now.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Romney’s internal polling must be very good because he played it safe like someone who is in the lead and has the momentum.

Wigglesworth on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Luntz group on Fox

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I’m gonna need more alcohol and I’m already stealing my roommates….

Yakko77 on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

IMHO Romney’s strategy was to give Obama no ammo. I believe Obama was hoping Romney would go to the Libya situation so he could introduce the new metrics the handlers just leaked in the last few days. There would be no way for Romney to counter the new story, because it was only hinted after in the leaks, which I believe were traps set for Romney. Whichever way Romney would have gone, the handlers would then issue the ‘rest of the story’ which would be guaranteed to be the opposite of whatever Romney chose to say. Candy redux.

Bet they were hoping for a good week of examining Romney’s ‘flop’ on Libya

Romney is a good businessman. He knows when to hold, when to fold, when to bluff and how many chips to play

The last debate was set to be foreign policy because the Obama crowd knew the economy sucks. They needed to take folks minds off the economy.

Romney forced the issue back to jobs, and on that, Obama sucks. Romney spoke well on China, citing real issues between our nations, but offering the prospect of increased prosperity that can come between two equally strong nations. Dragon vs Eagle, not pigeon

Romney wins this one.

entagor on October 22, 2012 at 10:55 PM

This needed to be said again. Spot on.

ChicagoJewishGuy on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Right. How’d that last “win” end up? No boost at the polls.

You fail yet again gumby..

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Romney appeared presidential, and the president appeared small.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Romney simply has to win this election. I heard today that John Kerry will probably be Odumbo’s Secretary of State in a second term. The thought of that completely freaked me out–to the point of needing brain bleach.

KickandSwimMom on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

He will. Just relax and go vote. Drag your friends and family too!

rollthedice on October 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Doesn’t your unicorn need feeding?

kingsjester on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

God love ‘em – Luntz’s dunces were right last time (Romney improved in the polls), let’s see how they do this time.

My god its sad we look to these people for direction.

Elchasebo on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Don’t. Luntz is for entertainment only.

slickwillie2001 on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Heh, Luntz group wants a hybrid between Mitt and Obama as president :)…heh, as long as it doesn’t have Obama ‘s face and he doesn’t pontificate in Obama’s voice :)…

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Luntz group on Fox

JPeterman on October 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Or as I like to call them: “The League of Uninformed Voters”.

squint on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Rombo says “When I’m president…”

Barky says “If I’m reelected…”

Big difference.

Bishop on October 22, 2012 at 10:36 PM

To be fair Rombo also said tonight and previously.

If I am elected although at least tonight he corrected himself.

Steveangell on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Who is this dunce who says Americans are impatient and spoiled? She looks like Anna Nicole Smith.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

…was that 40 pounds of botox on that bottom lip?

KOOLAID2 on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

How the hell can the Luntz group say Barry won the foreign policy part of the debate? Did my ears deceive me? Did I not see what I thought I saw?

kareyk on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

So, what was the consensus with the Luntz group?

RedNewEnglander on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

So will the NYT fact check Romney’s editorial on restructuring bankrupty for the automotive industry?

talkingpoints on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Mary Katharine Ham @mkhammer
RT @ppppolls: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

You should go on a Luntz group. You would fit right it.

Clueless as always. Citing PPP, ignoring history. Just stop citing polls that you know nothing about.

milcus on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Where is Gumby to scream ‘Game over!’

Chip on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

…was that 40 pounds of botox on that bottom lip?

KOOLAID2 on October 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

…sorry…hit the strike!

KOOLAID2 on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Obama just figured out that our Navy has air craft carriers and submarines. He must have finally started attending those national defense briefings.

bitsy on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I’m waiting for Sununu to weigh in…..need some fun :)…

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

LOL anyone watching MSNBC? Madcow’s about to cry.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Maddow crying makes me smile.

idalily on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Who is this dunce who says Americans are impatient and spoiled? She looks like Anna Nicole Smith.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

.
Obama campaign plant – scripted responses

Black woman second from left in middle row – same

These were ALL Obama 2008 voters

PolAgnostic on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I have heard a number of times that Romney co opted Obama’s foreign policy and they sounded the same, but here is the thing: Some things are American, and that is defense. Obama was speaking American, trying anyway, because liberals always co opt the center in their rhetoric on the campaign trail. They don’t try to sell anything lefty out loud, they just implement the way they like it after they win.
Both men were talking from the center, American Traditional…actually, Right of Center.

Which guy is Right of center?….Eee Gads.

Fleuries on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Okay, time to start commenting here. Romney KILLED that debate. Obama looked small, angry, and childish, compared to Mitt who was knowledgeable and confident. …

Highlar on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Amen.

Sheerq on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I doubt there is “REAL” Undecided voters at this late date.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

…sorry…hit the strike!

KOOLAID2 on October 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I always do that too, damn buttons are too close together!

squint on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I am calling it a night,..

What a debate….

Drywall…you have some more sucking to do..
The stain is coming…where something that is disposable..

Gumby… numbers are not your forte.

Electrongod on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Romney Won the debate.

Krauthammer is repeating what I said.

SparkPlug on October 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

That’s not the first time. Krauthhammer gets most of his best stuff from you.

BoxHead1 on October 22, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Ha, ha, ha. Soledad O’Brien REFUSES to ask CNN focus group who they’ll be voting for based on the debate…to protect their privacy!

(Shhhh…Soledad thinks Zero lost the debate.)

Rational Thought on October 22, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Well, good night overall. Mitt seems to have done what he had to do. The cascade has started and won’t be stopped.

VOTE!!!

RedNewEnglander on October 22, 2012 at 11:15 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 10:55 PM

after second debate-biden wins-polls keep going toward Romney

after 2nd pres debate-Obama wins-polls keep going toward Romney

after 3rd debate-Obama wins——-you get the point

gerrym51 on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Mary Katharine Ham @mkhammer
RT @ppppolls: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45

gumbyandpokey on October 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Hhaha, did they just poll all of them in all the swing states?? When?? And did they tabulate the resuls already? Wow….:)

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States:

“Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….Bob …….”

LOL

fogw on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Mitt gave Chris Wallace a good interview tonight, but some punk kept trying to interrupt him.

Kenosha Kid on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I call BS on undecideds. There can’t possibly be any, unless they’re mouthbreathing idiots.

Gettycorn on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Funny. Liberals may love Obama’s condescending line about how the Navy having fewer ships is just like having fewer horses and bayonets, but it probably just lost him Virginia, whose economy relies heavily on shipbuilding.

Caiwyn on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

It’s Amazing how Dems and libs are now hitting Romney for not being “hawkish enough”

So all these “war protesters” during the Bush years were astroturfing???

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

The Army still does too. Only folks not trusted with expensive bayonets are Navy guys who just end up scraping hulls with them.

hawkdriver on October 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM

This. For the win.

John the Libertarian on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

So, tell me, what are the major categorical differences between the two?

Send_Me on October 22, 2012 at 11:00 PM

You’re too stupid to understand. It would be a waste of time.

Jaibones on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The Luntz group last week was calm and in agreement, and the word bullsh** slipped past the censors. Considering where the group is now, I’m expecting an mf-bomb to jump out.
Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The lefties are getting increasingly agitated. I saw a difference from the first debate to the second in the Luntz group. Have they started a brawl yet tonight?

txhsmom on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Been reading here for a couple years..only commenting recently and rarely but have divided that Dave Rywall is an idiot

vamp57mw on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

CNN POLL: Obama 48%-40%

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Headed for a ladies night fist fight.

hawkdriver on October 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Hold on! Hannity is going back to the group. We may see it after all.

conservative pilgrim on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

As with all focus groups there are many who change from Obama voter to Romney voter; I’ve yet to see one who changed from McCain to Obama.

Tater Salad on October 22, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Hhaha, did they just poll all of them in all the swing states?? When?? And did they tabulate the resuls already? Wow….:)

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Yeah, those “InstaPolls” are a little too “insta” to be trustworthy.

squint on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

CNN POLL: Obama 48%-40%

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Excellent. Obama needed a gamechanger and he didn’t get it. Romney campaign must be feeling good.

GOPRanknFile on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

“dragon ~vs~ eagle, not pigeon”.

I’m so stealing that. ;)

wolly4321 on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Romney was masterful in not re-prosecuting Benghazi. Obama has already lost this issue.

John the Libertarian on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

LOL anyone watching MSNBC? Madcow’s about to cry.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Maddow crying makes me smile.

idalily on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Why, she not happy with Obysmal? But dumbey just told us that obama won in the swing states and they are planning to vote for him there 52-45 bwahahaha …atomic!!

jimver on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

the rest of the world does, clown

Dave Rywall on October 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

No. They don’t, davey. And anyone who believes they do is just simply stupid.

Solaratov on October 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM

The rest of the world doesn’t say,”Aye..” at the end of every sentence either, Hoser.

Tenwheeler on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

It going to be laughable watching as the media tries to tell us we didn’t see what we saw

tbrickert on October 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM

President Dumb@ss’ pettiness, and his prevarication about Mitt’s position on the GM/Chrysler bankruptcy, are going to reverberate like Biden’s crazed clown show did.

0-bow-mao lost again, sealing the deal for Romney. Most of the MSM leftists realize this, as revealed by their collective demeanor.

Anti-Control on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Decided. Damn autocorrect

vamp57mw on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Play us out, Hypnotoad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JwOVD7z-gqA

RedNewEnglander on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Luntz group screaming

kareyk on October 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Another sign Romney scored. The ones who support Obama were losing it. Had Romney failed they would be laughing

entagor on October 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM

CNN POLL: Obama 48%-40%

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Seems about right. Not going to move the needle. Mitt seemed a little lackluster, but so did the President. Undecideds don’t care about foreign policy anyway and probably weren’t even watching.

Over under on viewership 40 million?

newtopia on October 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM

paulsur on October 22, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Think they’re biased? Hmmm…

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM

IMHO Romney’s strategy was to give Obama no ammo. I believe Obama was hoping Romney would go to the Libya situation so he could introduce the new metrics the handlers just leaked in the last few days. There would be no way for Romney to counter the new story, because it was only hinted after in the leaks, which I believe were traps set for Romney. Whichever way Romney would have gone, the handlers would then issue the ‘rest of the story’ which would be guaranteed to be the opposite of whatever Romney chose to say. Candy redux.

Bet they were hoping for a good week of examining Romney’s ‘flop’ on Libya

Romney is a good businessman. He knows when to hold, when to fold, when to bluff and how many chips to play

The last debate was set to be foreign policy because the Obama crowd knew the economy sucks. They needed to take folks minds off the economy.

Romney forced the issue back to jobs, and on that, Obama sucks. Romney spoke well on China, citing real issues between our nations, but offering the prospect of increased prosperity that can come between two equally strong nations. Dragon vs Eagle, not pigeon

Romney wins this one.

entagor on October 22, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I’ll repost too. Great analysis.

Big Bird, binders, and now what? They got nuttin’.

conservative pilgrim on October 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM

LOL anyone watching MSNBC? Madcow’s about to cry.

wargamer6 on October 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Maddow crying makes me smile.

idalily on October 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Better stretch those muscles in preparation for Nov 6, then.

Gingotts on October 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Funny. Liberals may love Obama’s condescending line about how the Navy having fewer ships is just like having fewer horses and bayonets, but it probably just lost him Virginia, whose economy relies heavily on shipbuilding.

Caiwyn on October 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Do you think the altitude hurt him again?

SailorMark on October 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Haha I’m no fan of Intrade but Romney’s actually gone up since the end of the debate.

GOPRanknFile on October 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM

If the left is screaming, then they lost. Pretty easy.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Oh, the get more backbone comment from Mitt. That was harsh. ‘Cuda on Hannity.

Philly on October 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Even Maddaow is questioning the CBS poll

tbrickert on October 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Oooh good, Sarah Palin. Now we can hear from idesign and unseen.

John the Libertarian on October 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Maddow quoting CBS polls … Obama win tonight bigger than Romney’s 1st debate win.

Carnac on October 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Gawd, I’m actually watching MSNBC, just out of curiosity. They’re spinning so hard, I could do my laundry.

Gettycorn on October 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM

The liberals are upset because they knew they needed a gamechanger tonight and they didn’t get it. Sorry, lefties. :(

GOPRanknFile on October 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM

The big deal is the post debate. Romney has the soundbites and ad material. Obama doesn’t have nothing from this debate. Nothing memorable or commercial worthy. He’s done.

milemarker2020 on October 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Carnac on October 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM

She then said maybe you can read too much into polls

tbrickert on October 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM

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