Ethanol spurring new cases of sad cow

posted at 5:31 pm on October 21, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Earlier this year we talked about the failure of the courts to knock down the increasing demands of this administration for more ethanol in gasoline. (And Erika followed up on it last month.) In addition to the risk of damage to the current fleet of vehicles, these policies have also been driving up the cost of corn to farmers. How bad has it gotten? Some dairy farms are closing up shop because they just can’t afford to feed their herds.

Attempts to clean up our air and to ensure that the nation has enough milk to drink are on a collision course.

As a result, the future of California’s dairy industry looks sour. Around 100 farms are expected to go bankrupt this year alone, and the trend seems likely to continue if nothing is done.

Because of the demand for grain to produce the gasoline additive ethanol – which was supposed to reduce air pollution – plus a nationwide drought, many of the state’s cash-strapped farmers are selling their cows for slaughter because they can’t afford to feed them. It’s a “perfect storm,” says Colin Carter, professor of agricultural economics at UC Davis, that could spell trouble for the county’s milk supply – 1 out of 5 glasses of milk consumed in the United States comes from California cows. And the increasing price of grain is hurting all livestock industries.

And it’s not just sad cows. Family owned Zacky Farms just filed for bankruptcy protection. They raise millions of turkeys and chickens, and they can’t afford to feed their flocks either. The corn is going to ethanol and pricing them out of business. And in addition to jacking up the cost of feed corn, it’s hitting pretty much the entire spectrum of food.

  • Cereal and bakery product prices have increased almost 77%
  • Meat, poultry, fish and egg prices have increased 78%
  • Fat and vegetable oil prices have increased more than 444%

There is, as the first linked article notes, a provision in the existing EPA E10 rules – which mandate 10% ethanol in your fuel – that allows for the rule to be lifted during an emergency. Thus far six states have considered it enough of an emergency to petition asking for the rule to be lifted. The EPA’s response to date has been to stay on course to head toward E15 rules. This way lies madness.


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Proper Tire Inflation and green energy will solve it all…..right barry?

Tim_CA on October 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I am lactose intolerant so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this is a really good example of government run amok. Future generations will look back at this and wonder why we thought it a good idea to burn our food.

Insanity.

BubbaCluck on October 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

This is one of those suboptimal bumps in the road, right?

cep on October 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

But wait, I thought that central planning always worked? The USSR never had bread lines.

cep on October 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

…that’s the Cick-fil-A cow!

KOOLAID2 on October 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

…Chick

KOOLAID2 on October 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

gotta starve tens of millions in the quest to make a perfect democrat vision of america.

tom daschle concerned on October 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Why not just raise the price of food then?

Doesn’t make sense to close up shop?

KMC1 on October 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This way lies madness.

Mad Cow Disease, the dimbocrat party.

VegasRick on October 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

All pert of the Marxist play book. These things were all foretold, when Obama came into office and everyone said no, he’s not going to do that. Well, here you have it and acting like you don’t remember, doesn’t change anything! The Obama Enemy media will cover this just the same. They are bound and determined to take this country down and the masses are letting them. The media has to be fought like a muslim jihadi! If you don’t hit back hard, they will only be encouraged & emboldened to hit you harder the next time! Here’s how to stop them: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

…oh oh!…there goes the “drink milk” commercials!

KOOLAID2 on October 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Well I haven’t said it today, but I detest bho/team with all my heart!

On the issue of this gosh horrible epa, Inhofe has some warnings for us about them and bho?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/21/inhofe-epa-punting-regs-until-after-election-that-pell-doom-for-jobs-economy/

I just pray Mitt does his best to un-do this worse agency in dc!
L

letget on October 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

These higher prices will hit the middle class hardest. Why is Obama at war with the middle class? Why is he trying to starve them?

tdarrington on October 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM

How is this any different than burnt offerings to their god?

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

We can use corn for fuel, but we can’t use oil for food. I tried it once, it wasn’t pleasant.

tdarrington on October 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Meanwhile, in addition to rising food costs, we have to buy more fuel because of reduced mpg, have increased maintenance costs because ethanol is harder on engines, especially older vehicles. But the goverment in all its tyranical wisdom keeps shoving the corn into our gas tanks.

flyfishingdad on October 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM

It’s sad that the majority of Americans will simply never know the extent of liberalism in every aspect of life on Earth. It’s mind-boggling.

JetBoy on October 21, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Liberals want there to be less consumption of milk and dairy products and of meat. That is the goal and if it means making these things too expensive, then oh well. The same is true for gas.

Liberals care more about their agenda than the people their stupidity hurts.

Jvette on October 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Sad Cow ?
This is not an article about the moooch ?
Sorry…carry on …

burrata on October 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I can not even imagine what the Thanksgiving meal will cost this year from last year? For those who has a family they will be hit hard with all the food they normally eat for the holiday. People on food stamps will do OK, but those of us who don’t use them not a nice thing to think of?

And when you think about your food bill, gas bill, all the bills that has increased under bho/team, think about a change? You vote for change, not what we have now!
L

letget on October 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Yeah, but we’re supposed to be using golf carts and wind power by now. If it weren’t for the GOP getting in the way of progress……

BobMbx on October 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Eating the seed corn. Well, burning it, but you know what I mean.

AndStatistics on October 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM

We can’t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we’re living in the desert or we’re living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world’s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we’ll be fine. Don’t worry about us. That’s not leadership.

~ Barack Obama

We were warned.

Rebar on October 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

We were warned.

Rebar on October 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

To be fair, it was hard for a lot of people to hear with the choir of angels singing Alleluia everywhere he went.

Jvette on October 21, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Romney in Iowa: “I Support the Subsidy of Ethanol”

I support the subsidy of ethanol,” Romney told a potential voter after an event here was cut short by a fire alarm. “I believe ethanol is an important part of our energy solution in this country.”

Change you can believe in?

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Meatless Mondays, anyone?

The liberals I know tend to be big fans of the vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. Also, apparently cows have unacceptable “carbon footprints,” so they have few friends among liberals. And the slaughterhouses for all the different kinds of animals–chickens, cows, etc.–tend to show up regularly in rants by liberals on Facebook about animal cruelty (even though this is driving the animals to the slaughterhouses, the liberals I know either won’t believe that that is happening or will find a way to justify it in this situation for the long-term gain–the same way they still long for $7/gallon gas while lamenting the hardships of the poor).

So there you go–high food prices and their ill effects on the masses are nothing compared to the many “evils” ethanol regulations directly and indirectly address.

butterflies and puppies on October 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

We were warned.
Rebar on October 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

But, of course, on his $192,000 a year pension , he’ll be sure to limit HIS consumption, don’t you know.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

On a positive side note, maybe the beef industry can go back to feeding their beef on grass as they were designed to be, instead of force feeding them corn.

Just a suggestion.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The EPA… working hard to destroy America.

Axion on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Ethanol in gasoline is totally useless and just costs us more money in both the short and the long run.

stukinIL4now on October 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM

This sh*t is ruining our lawnmower, too. The engine stalls, cuts out, or just plain won’t start. Now, if we want to use it, we have to buy a special fuel line cleaning fluid just to get the damn thing running.

conservalassie on October 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Sounds like FDR and his killing of six million pigs to keep the price up.

Hayek and Friedman are rolling in their graves and saying “I told you so!”

PattyJ on October 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Exciting idea from the nations effete intellectuals – lets turn our food stocks into fuel for our vehicles!

These idiots should be forced to DRINK the stuff!

GarandFan on October 21, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Atom Heart Mother

Akzed on October 21, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Why Can’t we Feed these MOO COWS the same SLOP that Michelle Obama feeds kids at public schools for lunch?

Varchild on October 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM

What’s the beef? The GOP are a bunch of chickens, even though libt aids are all turkeys. Yet, they will still milk us for all we’re worth

NOMOBO on October 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Obama wants to use algae!

Feed him some pondscum on election day !

profitsbeard on October 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

The rise in the price of corn and other grains is also destabilizing many of the nations around the world as the lower classes in those nations must pay higher prices for food. The Arab Spring was caused in part by these same rising food and fuel costs.

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

My weed whacker and edger are laying in a coma in my garage, because of ethanol.

faraway on October 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

For a long time there was an ad campaign for CA cheese which was suppose to taste better because it came from happy cows. Alas, no more…

Seriously, the prices increases of food is scandalous. Shame on the donks and all the environmental whackos!

Blake on October 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

What’s the beef? The GOP are a bunch of chickens, even though libtards are all turkeys. Yet, they will still milk us for all we’re worth

NOMOBO on October 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Sad Cow ?
This is not an article about the moooch ?
Sorry…carry on …

burrata on October 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

That comes after Nov. 6th – when she is not proud of her country – again.

VegasRick on October 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

gotta starve tens of millions in the quest to make a perfect democrat vision of america.

tom daschle concerned on October 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

They tell me the Third World is really, really resentful that they can’t afford to feed their children because we in this country are burning their food in our cars.

And Barry pretends to care for them. Barry Hussein Kardashian Obama.

petefrt on October 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

My weed whacker and edger are laying in a coma in my garage, because of ethanol.

faraway on October 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Buy fresh gas and Sta-bil. Ethanol gas sucks up humidity and goes bad after 30 days in the can or tank. The car will burn it, but small engines choke. I put Sta-bil in the gas can as soon as I fill it, and it will last a few months. It sucks that we have to buy extra stuff to put in the gas because of federally mandated regs.

tdarrington on October 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

butterflies and puppies on October 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

There are a few right-wingers who rail at American meat consumption for much the same reason. Supposedly we need to eat far less meat so the grain used in feeding the cattle can be shipped to the Starving Masses(tm), and we’re immoral gluttons for not doing so.

Not surprisingly these people are almost without fail far-out religious kooks. And apparently it’s never entered their little minds that the Starving Masses might be making their own problems*, or that simply throwing food at the problem is only going to make things worse. Just for one example there is a boatload of documented accounts of food aid being resold by dictators.

*a 3rd-world nation where people have 9 kids when there’s adequate nutrition for maybe 3 is going to have food problems simply by the laws of mathematics.

MelonCollie on October 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Chaos for cows keeps corrupt-o-crats as Kings!

batterup on October 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM

because they just can’t afford to feed their herds.
===================================================

Feed them KOOL_AID,mixed in,er,oh wait………………
(sarc)

canopfor on October 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM

I fell like playing a little Democrat talking points.

Obama is trying to starve babies to death by making it more difficult for poor mothers to buy milk. He is causing the corn price to rise so that poor Mexicans cannot afford tortillas. Obama hates babies and minorities. He’s a bad man, a very bad man.

scrubjay on October 21, 2012 at 6:47 PM

On a positive side note, maybe the beef industry can go back to feeding their beef on grass as they were designed to be, instead of force feeding them corn.

Just a suggestion.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Ha…now what a revolutionary idea. Reminds me of a story: a guy one day told me that the top products in the world (marketing) was washing machine soap – forgive my bad english – and because those so bright marketing guys decided washer soap was the top first product out there well..they were sending washing machine soap in Biafra.

I am sure the starving people there were exctatic!

What you just said is exactly what people don’t see anymore. LOGIC!!! Thank you for that. Nobody knows where the milk comes from anyway besides from the super market. What a stupid world we live in.

American Dream 246 on October 21, 2012 at 6:51 PM

It is well known that the production and use of ethanol produces more green house gases than gasoline.

http://smarterfuelfuture.org/impacts/our-environment?gclid=CNLvvpeVk7MCFal7Qgod0X8AXQ

I think the argument for ethanol is part of the democrat war on science.

Jasper61 on October 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

We’ll all be starving before it’s over.

This needs to be confronted head on. It’s a fraud. Ethanol doesn’t work. Doesn’t save the environment. Uses more energy than it produces. It is insanity but too many just don’t want to touch it.

People are living in a dream land. None of it’s real but that doesn’t matter to the idiots.

I remember reading this book on the insanity widely displayed by the government within the Soviet Union. It was written by a communist soldier who had escaped.

In this city they wanted to put on a parade of the grain harvest to the visiting government official. They had brought in all of this grain from all over the country side or something, but didn’t have that many trucks for the parade. So as the trucks drove past full of grain they would go down the street, around the block to the river and dump the grain in the river. All of it was directed by other government officials. Go back to the beginning and fill up with more grain. The author said by the end of the parade, all of the grain had been dumped in the river and was useless.

I wish I still had that book. I have forgotten so much of it but it was filled with example like that.

JellyToast on October 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Why not just raise the price of food then?

Doesn’t make sense to close up shop?

KMC1 on October 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I suspect it has to do with one of the following, though I am no farmer: 1) the farmers have a contract and/or futures prices set in advance and the raises in prices for production are causing them to take a loss on the backend. 2) They cannot raise prices fast enough to make up for the spike, because consumers will not pay it. 3) The big boys can ride this out, but the smaller farmers can’t compete. 4) If they are just barely getting by, then this is enough to send them over the edge.

cep on October 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Beef and milk may not be fashionable foods, but turkey is, you have to eat your lean turkey when you are not eating your cube of tofu in filtered water.

I am wondering if the people making these regs are Vegans.

Fleuries on October 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Obama wants to use algae!

Feed him some pondscum on election day !

profitsbeard on October 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

profitsbeard:Exactly,

Hopey has been Free-Lancing his BulRushes,and
Lolly-Gagging on his Lilly-Pads!!
(sarc).

canopfor on October 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Cereal and bakery product prices have increased almost 77%
Meat, poultry, fish and egg prices have increased 78%
Fat and vegetable oil prices have increased more than 444%

But if you used ObamaLogic… the reason food prices were so low when he took office was because the economy was so bad then.

He said this in the debate about gas prices. Romney says gas prices have risen. Obama replies that was because the economy was so bad back then.

ObamaLogic.

JellyToast on October 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Ethanol from food is not the future.

There are companies with the technology to make millions of gallons of ethanol a year from the trash in municipal landfills http://www.ineosbio.com/53-FAQ.htm.

If it doesn’t come from food and it isn’t subsidized by the taxpayer it’s good for America

Not-a-Marxist on October 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Why Can’t we Feed these MOO COWS the same SLOP that Michelle Obama feeds kids at public schools for lunch?

Varchild on October 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM

The cows won’t eat it either.

Midas on October 21, 2012 at 7:25 PM

And I just read that Social Security payments were only going to go up at most 1% next year because there is next to no inflation.

This also affects military retirement pay.

Of course, they don’t count the cost of energy or food in their calculations for cost of living raises. In spite of the fact that those two items are two of the major costs for most of us.

LibraryGryffon on October 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

On a positive side note, maybe the beef industry can go back to feeding their beef on grass as they were designed to be, instead of force feeding them corn.

Just a suggestion.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Which will reduce availability of beef, and increase the prices just as effectively, as the lack of corn to feed them.

Grass-fed cows take longer to reach marketable size and are less cost-effective than corn-fed, which means less (and less affordable) beef in the markets.

Siddhartha Vicious on October 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

In Athens Ga they give the calving milk cows waterbeds. They say it makes them happier, hence better production. Maybe waterbeds would help the sad cows.

Bmore on October 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Why not just raise the price of food then?
Doesn’t make sense to close up shop?
KMC1 on October 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This is how the majority of the beef industry is structured.
Quite likely, these people have been dying a slow death for a long time & this is just the straw breaking the camel’s back.
We maybe ‘enjoying’ record high cattle prices, but I can tell you it is not going to be enough to counter years of losses & high prices to keep in business.

On a positive side note, maybe the beef industry can go back to feeding their beef on grass as they were designed to be, instead of force feeding them corn.
Just a suggestion.
Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

1. Cows do not need to be forced to eat corn. They love it. Neither do horses.
2. There are a lot of people filling the grass fed beef niche market.
If you have ever had a grass fed steak versus a grain fed steak, you’ll understand why there is a large market for grain fed beef: IT”S YUMMY.
I live on grass fed beef. There’s 3 future freezers full in my pens out back.
But when I eat a steak, I yearn for corn fed. Grass is much different, though still very good.
And BTW-the market should dictate the demand for corn vs grass fed. Not the Federal govt.

I suspect it has to do with one of the following, though I am no farmer: 1) the farmers have a contract and/or futures prices set in advance and the raises in prices for production are causing them to take a loss on the backend. 2) They cannot raise prices fast enough to make up for the spike, because consumers will not pay it. 3) The big boys can ride this out, but the smaller farmers can’t compete. 4) If they are just barely getting by, then this is enough to send them over the edge.
cep on October 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

We are cow/calf producers here in SW ND. Which means we sell our baby calves to feeders, who then sell to the packer.
All of the trade magazines are predicting huge numbers of feeders going out of business bcs of feed’s high price.
I imagine consumers are not able to buy like they did before, either.
There are some beef producers who do forward contract.
And we have had people approach us to do it.
But we still sell at auction.
I believe it is the best way to sell. The people I know who forward contract generally don’t do as well as auction markets.

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I am wondering if the people making these regs are Vegans.

Fleuries on October 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM

So these are the same people who turned the CA Cebtral Valley into a dust bowl ?
Must be that coincidence thingy….

burrata on October 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Obama at war with the middle class? Why is he trying to starve them?

tdarrington on October 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Well, yeah, high energy costs hurt the middle class far more than the wealthy, and the poor hardest of all by far. Yet Barry Hussein Kardashian Obama pretends to be looking out for the poor.

Barry Kardashian Obama looks out for the poor like a shark looks out for dolphins.

petefrt on October 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Which will reduce availability of beef, and increase the prices just as effectively, as the lack of corn to feed them.

Grass-fed cows take longer to reach marketable size and are less cost-effective than corn-fed, which means less (and less affordable) beef in the markets.

Siddhartha Vicious on October 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

This reminds me of the fact that a lot of the country is experiencing bad drought. Even here in ND we are it seems heading into another drought cycle.
There isn’t much grass to run yearlings on here in ND,SD,E. MT & probably places like TX etc.
So grass fed is not going to help this problem.

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM

http://www.fuel-testers.com/find_ethanol_free_gasoline.html

http://pure-gas.org/

http://www.buyrealgas.com/

Those sites may help you find real (non-ethanol) gas.

Solaratov on October 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

One of my first comments here at HA. I think it was actually my second.

I have long thought turning our food crops into fuel was idiotic. I don’t know how it is in other states but here in Ga we still have access to straight gas. It has been popular for gas powered tools as the ethanol based stuff will mess up the seals. Many boaters and folks with older cars use it exclusively. I was listening to a radio show once when a trucker called in with what I thought was a really good idea. A good idea if we are going to insist on using ethanol. He pointed out that the highway administration owns millions of acres of land between the highways. This land cost the government millions a year to maintain i.e. mow. The truckers idea was to grow sugar beets in all those places, spring planting no maintenance, fall harvest. What do you think?

Bmore on December 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Bmore on October 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

3) The big boys can ride this out, but the smaller farmers can’t compete.
cep on October 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

This reminds me that somewhere I remember hearing in our industry that the avg US sized cow herd is something like 45 head.
So I guess we’re just effing huge compared to that.
We got real high numbers up some years back.
But it was actually costing us too much & we scaled back & are now making more before than when we had double the number.
We are still quite far above that avg cow herd number.
But it’s more manageable for the hubby & I since we both have outside jobs.

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I actually think Obama’s idea of using algae for ethanol makes the most sense with the qualifier that it isn’t subsidized. Algae can be produced on non-agricultural land (desert and arid) and doesn’t effect the food supply. If they can make a go of it then that’s swell. If ethanol is such a great idea then we don’t need to pay or regulate people to produce it or use it.

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Hey sharrukin! I almost posted your original reply to my original comment above. You must have been reading my mind. ; )

Bmore on October 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Hey sharrukin! I almost posted your original reply to my original comment above. You must have been reading my mind. ; )

Bmore on October 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

It’s an interesting subject! It easily exposed the perils of central planning when the feel-good policies of the leftists hurt the poor and downtrodden of the earth they claim to care so much about. The pain inflicted doesn’t seem to at all bother the leftists though…it’s almost as if they are simply using the poor as a convenient excuse to push for more power to the state.

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

The pain inflicted doesn’t seem to at all bother the leftists though…it’s almost as if they are simply using the poor as a convenient excuse to push for more power to the state.

sharrukin on October 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Truer words seldom spoken.

Bmore on October 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

We have 60 head, and feed only grass and hay. But we have a niche of customers that desire that type of beef, raised naturally without hormones, grain, or antibiotics. I doubt a majority of the population would be willing to pay the price it takes to raise them this way.

The price of beef will be going up next year, due to the grain prices as well as the drought in the South in 2011, and the Midwest in 2012. Many cattle have been culled, which has depressed prices for now, but the supply of feeders is going to be way down following these past two years. I bet Hillary will be in cattle futures again.

moo on October 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I have an “older” car with 54,000 miles. Because of ETHONAL I am having untold problems with my engine!!!! EPA is myopic in the regulations and no one will be able to afford Obama’s new cars based on mileage regulations. Excuse me…. I will take a ’57 chevy any old day….it ran forever!

phoebe1 on October 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Ethanol production and combustion is NOT CLEANING UP OUR ENVIRONMENT.

Nitrous oxide, (spewed into the atmosphere as a result of the ethanol mandate) is a more potent greenhouse gas by around 500% compared to carbon dioxide, for those of you who believe in the Climate Change Horse-splatter.

It’s a good thing that the ethanol subsidy was shot down, but doing this without removing the mandate as well only makes retail gasoline prices skyrocket, with no benefit.

hillbillyjim on October 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Bmore on December 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Your second post here at HA? Now look at you. A regular. An Old Timer!

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

When I rant against public employee unions, public school teachers, and public schools, I usually worry how you and other like-minded teachers here at HA will take it. Please understand if teachers and public school systems were more out of the mould you guys come from, I’d be an advocate, not an enemy.

I myself did a three-year public service stint as associate superintendent of a big city school system. It created a fleeting, overly publicized hope for education upgrades at the time. There was hype about “model for the nation”. Puke. In the end it changed nothing in the school system, or for the kids, as innovation got sucked under in the course of a few years by the union bureaucracy.

But it changed me. Permanently. It left me to understand that liberal policies don’t reduce problems. They perpetuate them. And they usually make them worse.

My sabbatical with public ed was worthwhile in this respect. Before I did that public school system thing, I had voted for Kennedy, Johnson, Mondale and Carter. After it, I voted for Reagan, Bush, Bush, McCain and now Romney. Palin would be better now. So would Allan West, Michelle Bachmann, Jim DeMint, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal, et al.

Hang in there guys, you courageous, strong-hearted conservative school teachers. The destiny of this country is largely in your hands. That is, what’s left over and not in the leftists’ hands. If we had more like you, this would be a better country.

Thanks for your service.

petefrt on October 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

And it’s all because of The Great Global Warming Swindle.

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

And it’s all because of The Great Global Warming Swindle.

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Excellent.

I’m hoping Mitt will do some common sense things like DE-FUND THE UNITED NATIONS… and all the gobble-de-gook, pseudo-science they finance.

petefrt on October 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Thanks, Badger40. Your posts are always informative. I misspoke on the “force feeding”. No, I know they are not forced to eat it but isn’t it the case that the current method of raising beef using corn exclusively in their diets creates problems which have to be addressed with antibiotics which, in turn, creates additional problems?

But, no, I don’t expect we will ever be able to go to fully grass fed beef.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Two carbons combusted is better than eight…

pass it on.

tom daschle concerned on October 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM

We elected Obama in 2008. Nobody to blame except ourselves. Even those who voted against him, still to blame. We did not do enough.
If we do it again then we deserve all that comes our way even more.

finallyhere on October 21, 2012 at 11:11 PM

On a positive side note, maybe the beef industry can go back to feeding their beef on grass as they were designed to be, instead of force feeding them corn.
Just a suggestion.
Cleombrotus on October 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I was hoping to see this – as a Paleo enthusiast I really feel grass-fed beef and natural feed for poultry rather than grain and soy is the best way to sustainably farm. It would also be healthier as less ecoli problems in beef and salmonella with eggs.

quiz1 on October 21, 2012 at 11:48 PM

And another one bites the dust. ReVolt Technologies, a battery maker for electric vehicles in Portland Oregon is shuttering its doors. Oregon gave 6.8 million and the Fed gave 5 million. This after A123 systems crashed last week to the tune of 132 million taxpayer dollars. It seems the electric car wet dream has run into a huge obstacle called reality. I have a great idea though, How about a green slap button? Everytime on of these green morons makes a stupid suggestion, you push the button, and a big green hand comes out, smacks them up aside the head and says “NO” it could even be Solar Powered !

stormridercx4 on October 21, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Golly gee durn. We need more ideas such as this and more politicians who support these ideas. 7BILLIONPEOPLEANDWEARBURNINGFOOD!!!!

¨Mr. Smith, paging Mr. Smith¨ It´s The Congress, STUPID!

james hooker on October 22, 2012 at 3:11 AM

Why not just raise the price of food then?

Doesn’t make sense to close up shop?

Milk prices paid to the farmer have been controlled by the Federal Gov’t since the 1930′s.

If the farmer raises his own corn he can make more money selling the corn at $7.50+ per bushel at the local elevator. If he doesn’t raise his own corn, then he has to buy it.

At these corn prices, there is no profit in feeding the cattle and selling the milk.

Sure, we’re all seeing higher prices for milk at the supermarket, but the increase is not going to the producer.

RADIOONE on October 22, 2012 at 6:56 AM

Full speed ahead to E15.

Your car will get worse mileage and you will discover how many catalytic converters you have (some cars have 3) and how very expensive they are to replace because E15 will trash them.

CorporatePiggy on October 22, 2012 at 7:08 AM

If ethanol is so desired, so wanted, in such demand by energy producers, then why is it mandated and subsidized? Can’t it stand on its own after a few decades of mandates and subsidies?

ajacksonian on October 22, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Obama is not totally incorrect on his answer that the bad economy affected gas prices when he took office. He is just no economic sophisticate. There was a glut of oil because the production was geared toward the growing economy, then the economy retracted and the oil went down in price because of availability.

That is what we want President Obama. Availability. That keeps the markets at a price people will pay. More drilling in the US, and not depending on the oil cartel to deign fit to pump or not, or to interrupt production blowing up oil pipelines.

Fleuries on October 22, 2012 at 8:06 AM

I don’t know how an additive that makes my vehicle 15% less efficient, is somehow good for the environment.

southsideironworks on October 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

gotta starve tens of millions in the quest to make a perfect democrat vision of america.

tom daschle concerned on October 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Can you spell “holodomor“? I knew you could!

GWB on October 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Q. What is a buccaneer?

A. Corn prices under Lisa Jackson’s ethanol rules (a buck an ear).

Steve Z on October 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Upcoming NYT‘s headline:

Sad cows.
Keith Olbermann hardest hit.

andycanuck on October 22, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Two carbons combusted is better than eight…

pass it on.

tom daschle concerned on October 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Your ignorance of chemical thermodynamics is showing.

A small amount of energy is needed to break a carbon-hydrogen (C-H) bond, and an even smaller amount is needed to break a carbon-carbon (C-C) bond, while a large amount of energy is released when hydrogen-oxygen (H-O) and carbon-oxygen double bonds (C=O) are formed.

When 8-carbon octane is burned, 18 C-H bonds and 7 C-C bonds are broken, while 8 C=O bonds and 18 H-O bonds are formed. Since more heat is released by forming C=O and H-O bonds than is consumed by breaking C-H and C-C bonds, this reaction releases a lot of heat (44.42 kilojoules (kJ) per gram octane).

The ethanol molecule as 2 carbon atoms, but also an OXYGEN atom. When ethanol is burned, one C-C bond and 5 C-H bonds are broken, and a net 3 C=O bonds and 5 H-O bonds are formed. But the oxygen atom already in ethanol does not contribute any net energy, since either a C-O bond is broken and reformed, or an H-O bond is broken and re-formed, releasing zero net energy. Burning ethanol releases only 26.82 kJ/g.

Looking at it another way, a mole of octane contains 96 g of carbon for 114 g total mass, so that the energy released by octane is 44.42 kJ/g * 114/96 = 52.75 kJ/g carbon burned.

A mole of ethanol contains 24 g of carbon for 46 g total mass, so that the energy released by ethanol is 26.82 kJ/g * 46/24 = 51.41 kJ/g carbon burned.

For the mass of carbon burned (or mass CO2 released), octane produces slightly more energy than ethanol. Add to that the fact that fossil fuels need to be burned to plant and harvest corn, and convert corn to ethanol, it is both cheaper AND BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT to burn gasoline directly than to use some of it to convert corn to ethanol.

Steve Z on October 22, 2012 at 10:41 AM