The “non problem” of voter fraud

posted at 2:31 pm on October 20, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

It never fails to spur some heated discussions on both sides of the aisle when we bring up the subjects of voter ID laws and potential voter fraud. Some of the unusual suspects seem to be interested in talking about it this week, but only because a Republican supporter was involved. Such was the case earlier today when I wrote about efforts to measure the effect on turnout where such laws make it on to the books. The response from the left was both rapid and typical, summed up rather nicely (if impolitely) by one person who chimed in on a Twitter discussion I was having about national ID. (Image of one Tweet has been edited to block out an expletive, but text not edited in any other way.)

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Okay, let’s talk about that for a minute, since we hear it on pretty much a daily basis. (Thanks, Reverend Al!) We’re supposed to start from the assumption that there is no need to take any action because of the paucity of recorded convictions or reported and prosecuted instances of voter fraud crimes. It’s a compelling argument if you don’t think about it for too long. But to explain it to those who choose to engage in this argument in a way that’s easier to digest, let’s look for a moment at another crime – murder. We’ve touched on this before, but it’s worth a closer look.

What is the murder rate in a place like New York City, just for one example? It’s fairly alarming, though it’s been reported to be coming down in recent years. (And even that claim is in dispute because politics gets involved in everything.) No matter whether it’s in the hundreds or the thousands annually, it’s pretty bad. But the fact is, as one recent book interviewing many law enforcement officials notes, you have no way of knowing what the actual number of murders is. Why? Because in that one city alone, thousands of people go missing every single year, many never to be seen again. (And that’s just children!) True, some of them may be living elsewhere, in hiding or off the grid. But sadly, the odds are very high that a substantial number of them are dead and a lot of them met with foul play. But we don’t know about those cases because there was never a conviction or a case opened against an alleged perpetrator. The real murder rate in this country could, by most estimates, be three times higher than what’s reported. But if all you looked at were the people who are missing you might be tempted to think the murder rate was zero.

And in the example above, we’re talking about MURDER. This isn’t some obscure code violation like building a garage too close to your property line. It’s the one case which attracts more immediate and vigorous police and media attention than anything else when an innocent person turns up missing. It is, getting back to the original point of this, a crime that we’re actively looking out for and trying to identify and solve whenever it crops up. And yet there are probably more cases of it that are never reported than are solved. And – again – we’re really looking for it.

Now what is the key difference between murder and voter fraud? (I hope by now you’re getting the idea.) Nobody is looking for it. It’s not obvious like a person not showing up at work for weeks on end or a bloody body in the park. Somebody walks into a precinct who isn’t immediately recognized by the blue haired ladies volunteering at the desk and what happens? Nothing. You can’t know everyone who lives in the entire area. And there is no trail of evidence to follow after the fact. There are no families of the stolen vote beating down the doors of the cops. It may be true that you haven’t found many instances of in person voter fraud. But it’s also true that you haven’t been looking. Not even in passing.

It’s clearly possible to commit voter fraud. It’s also reasonable to see that there will be some number of unscrupulous individuals (and no party gets a pass here) who may have the motive to do so. So with all things being equal, why would you not want to take reasonable steps to prevent or at least hinder efforts of criminals to do it? If your town had no robberies for one entire year, would you push to repeal all laws against theft?

You say to us, “there is no proof of widespread, in person voter fraud so why are you trying to stop it?” And I say to you, there is no proof that it’s not happening either, so why would you fight so hard against preventing it?


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…no such thing as voter suppression!
..except in a Dems mind

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM

supercatrobot is right. I wholeheartedly admit that I want to suppress illegal voting.

NotCoach on October 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I’m throwing the race card down right now. It is helpful in so many situations.

a capella on October 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Has everyone forgotten Troy, NY already?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/officials-plead-guilty-in-new-york-voter-fraud-case/

Or what about in the recent Wisconsin election where we saw one bag of ballots cut open and resealed with tape. A special kind of tape that existed only in that particular office?

crosspatch on October 20, 2012 at 2:38 PM

finger print recognition wouldn’t hurt either
save the two state voters a bus trip

audiotom on October 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I love this issue because it’s such a no-brainer where you simply point up at the scoreboard.

The overwhelming majority of Americans support requiring an ID to vote. A plurality of them even assume that you already need an ID to vote. The only people who oppose voter ID are liberals who have been fully briefed on what opinion they’re supposed to have on this issue. Among everyone else, it’s unanimous.

The fact that anyone can walk in anywhere and say a name and vote would be a national scandal if Republicans were the people with legions of “activists” and “volunteers” taking orders from people like Jimmy Hoffa.

HitNRun on October 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM

As an additional point, I love how the left tries to portray this as voter suppression. The assumption here is that minorities are too stupid or child like to be able to follow the law.

NotCoach on October 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM

“And I say to you, there is no proof that it’s not happening either, so why would you fight so hard against preventing it?”

Beyond moronic.

Tell us about your urban Bear Repellant and how that will prevent bear attacks downtown.

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM

In a lot of ways this is the best Ohio news yet:

PPP Obama 49-48 (was 51-45 in their poll last week)

They claim Obama has a 66-34 lead among early voters and that 21% have voted already. The hard data seems to contradict both these numbers AND they say Romney is up 52-44 with people who haven’t voted. This is terrific news and it doesn’t even take into account a possible Dem skew on turnout.

RepublicanInMA on October 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Yes, that’s right! The Hoards of Democrat, Deceased & Multiple voters, as attested to, by former Democrats & Union members, were only a figment of their imagination. The Busloads of Union workers given free beer & food to ride from Il. and Mi. to Wisconsin, where anyone can vote w/o ID never happens! The 360,000 deceased voters found, thus far, in the voter roles, well, the Dems just respect the right of the deceased to vote, more than the Republicans do!(0__0)
Update on:How to take on the Obama enemy media & Win: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I’m one of those people who believe that, if you were to have a full scale investigation of the Minnesota Senate Election in 2008, you would find voter fraud. Turning around that many votes is almost impossible, yet we’re supposed to be there’s nothing to see there.

One thing’s for sure, you can’t steal a landslide, so I sincerely hope Romney wins by sooooooo much that the Democrats illegal vote system doesn’t come into play.

bflat879 on October 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM

And the other canard is “old people and the poor” can’t either afford to get the ID card or can’t get there. States have offered these free and since we have “programs” that drive people to their doctor’s offices why can’t they take the old/sick to get their IDs.

It is just another ruse…like conservatives want dirty air, water or we don’t want women to have contraceptives, etc.

CoffeeLover on October 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Voter suppression is an undeniable reality…

Except when the Black Panthers do it.

HB3 on October 20, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Exercise Chicago values. Vote early and vote often. Do it fr Barack. He would do the same for you.

VorDaj on October 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Why not the purple ink method? That would prevent anyone from voting twice. Mickey Mouse might vote, but he won’t also vote under his real name and his dog’s name and some dead guy’s name.

gatsbysgirlontheside on October 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM

bflat879 on October 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Some totally nonexistent voter fraud from an alternate universe.

NotCoach on October 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Beyond moronic.

Tell us about your urban Bear Repellant and how that will prevent bear attacks downtown.

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM

What a specious douchbeag you are.

Wonder if it hurts you if someone uses ‘bear repellant’.

Lanceman on October 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

It may be true that you haven’t found many instances of in person voter fraud. But it’s also true that you haven’t been looking.

And every time we actually look for voter fraud – we find it. It’s there; it’s real. Dems & Libs don’t want voter ID because they know suspect how much they depend on voter fraud to get & hold their office.

ss396 on October 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

“Beyond moronic.

“Tell us about your urban Bear Repellant and how that will prevent bear attacks downtown.”

Translation,

“Apples are oranges, and you’re a moron if you say they aren’t.”

HB3 on October 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

CoffeeLover on October 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Democrats might want the elderly to stay home this time around.

NotCoach on October 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I’ve actually reported two individuals up here in Maine to the FBI. these folks were in a local coffee shop and talking about doing their level best to get Obama reelected.

They are Maine citizens, but also own property (they’re snowbirds) in Florida. They get an absentee ballot in Maine to vote here, then vote again down in Florida, as they think that no one checks the voter rolls between the states which, actually, they don’t.

I listened to them talking to these other folks about this, then got their car license number and forwarded it along. Probably nothing will be done, but there is a solid case right there amongst these two retired democrats, and I suspect it runs to the hundreds of thousands across the country, just like these two.

TKindred on October 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Actually, he’s correct, it is a form of voter suppression. But suppressing the illegal immigrant vote, the felon vote, the dead person vote and the cartoon character vote is exactly what we should be doing.

ButterflyDragon on October 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM

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FlatFoot on October 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012

Dick Dryrotpenicillin shots are available in Canada…despite the waiting period you may be able to save your brain from completly rotting too!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 2:53 PM

ID would still not combat fraud.

Al Franken won by the manufacture method.

Much like Gregoire in WA.

Just keep ‘finding’ ballots until the ‘rat wins.

Registrar or polling precinct ‘captains’ trunks are a great place to look.

Lanceman on October 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM

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FlatFoot on October 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM

With Jazz? You’d better believe it, buddy.

Lanceman on October 20, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Beyond moronic.

Tell us about your urban Bear Repellant and how that will prevent bear attacks downtown.

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012 at 2:41

…’Bear repellant’, eh? :) and you think that they’d offer compulsory spelling courses in the Canadian Parliament :)…

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Here’s how the new voter fraud scheme works: over the years, all these registration drives and “motor voter” etc. have signed up millions of people who never vote. Many of these people are nominally Democrats or live in Democratic areas.

If a precinct captain can identify some of these never-voters, it is simple enough to bus in volunteers from another part of town to go to the precinct and vote for them. The poll watchers don’t know the non-voters by sight because they’ve never voted. So you could theoretically cast as many votes for the non-voters as you could find volunteers to do it.

UNLESS they check photo IDs at the polls. Then the whole scheme falls apart.

OF COURSE this scheme hasn’t been uncovered. It’ virtually impossible to catch them WITHOUT Voter ID laws, and they dare not try it where such laws are in force.

That’s why they fight so hard against these laws with the ridiculous “voter suppression” meme. All the poor people have ID already and they know it, but “racism” is the last thing they have to scare off the spotlight that kills their scam.

Of course, Democrats still engage in fraud on absentee ballots and “finding” new votes in recounts, but Voter ID doesn’t necessarily block those. It kills the phony voter scam dead, and that means many fewer Democratic votes.

Remember that all Democrats are either corrupt or stupidly blind to it. People who have no problem killing babies won’t hesitate to fix an election if they have half a chance. Take away one of their chances.

Adjoran on October 20, 2012 at 2:59 PM

The problem isn’t vote fraud per se (although it happens). The problem is the risk of potential fraud, and voter ID is a sensible risk mitigation measure – one that, designed correctly, minimizes the counter-risk (that’s what the libs complaint is, btw) of vote disenfranchisement.

JeffWeimer on October 20, 2012 at 3:00 PM

They found dozens of Obama volunteers registered to vote in Ohio in 2008 despite being unable to prove permanent residency. Jennifer Brunner allowed it.

In 2004 a Philly TV station caught Democrat volunteers picking up absentee ballots at the state prison, despite state law prohibiting felons from voting and prisoners from voting absentee. Meanwhile the state deliberately delayed sending out abllots to military personnel.

Dems in Virginia are already crying about a Republican “fix” because Fairfax County now has a Republican registrar and a GOP chair and majority on the county election board. The local GOP had substantial evidence of noncitizens voting in Fairfax in 2008.

rockmom on October 20, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Adjoran – TRUTH. The Motor Voter law was not passed to get more people to vote, it was to get more people REGISTERED to vote who don’t actually vote.

The election got FUBARed in Florida in 2000 because Democrats rounded up and paid people to vote in their names, put them on buses, gave them a sample Democratic ballot, and sent them into the polls, but they could not figure out the actual ballot and either didn’t vote or voted for the wrong candidate.

rockmom on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

About those 21,000 children missing
From the New York Division of Criminal Justice;

“ In 2011, the Register, which is the statewide electronic central registry maintained by the
Clearinghouse and compatible with the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) register for
missing persons, received 20,085 reports of children missing from New York State, a slight
decrease from the 20,309 reports in 2010. There were 20,257 cases closed, and 2,330 cases active
at the end of 2011.
 Ninety-five percent of all missing children cases were reported as suspected runaways (19,048).
Abduction cases accounted for approximately 1 percent of the total reports, with abductions
committed by family members comprising the most frequent form of abduction. There was one
report of a child abducted by a stranger in 2011 which occurred in New York City. (Note: The
number of stranger abductions reported to the Register may be an undercount. Typically, cases are
not categorized as stranger abductions unless someone actually witnessed the child being
abducted)”

Using your analogy you would think that kids were being abducted off of street corners every few minutes. They are not.
Your analogy to murder is off. You got to do something with the body.
I am not saying there is not voter fraud, it is sometime being used as a boogeyman to make some people feel better about losing an election.

smokin hot politics on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Oh, and it is absolutely HILARIOUS to watch these clowns trip over themselves over this after all of their whining about electronic voting machines and the “integrity of the ballot” after the 2000 election. Which was another risk – one much less probable than direct fraud. They don’t give a tinker’s damn one way or the other, only that whatever the rules are benefit them. Plain and simple.

IIRC, the original plaintiff in the Indiana case was dual-registered in Florida, too. I was, until recently, active duty military and had the very real potential to vote in my home state of Washington and my residence state of Virginia, with little risk of being caught out. That type of fraud cannot be fixed with voter id laws, only by state-to-state coordination of voter rolls.

JeffWeimer on October 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Politicians hate preventative measures. They don’t score as many political points as riding to the rescue when there’s a media storm.

Ortzinator on October 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Why do people think the busloads of folks show up at the polls at 7:30 at night? These people aren’t late to the polls because they were working. They’re “late” showing up because they are voting in the names of people who had not voted. Every election we hear about this precinct or that ward contacting a judge to keep the polls open past the deadline. The party officials get a hold of the voter rolls, assign a name to people as they hop on the bus, then they drive the warm bodies to the polls. It happened in 2000 when algor stole the state of WI, it’s on film, & we were treated to this act of fraud on our nightly news. Nobody cared because everybody was focused on floriduh. Photo ID wouldn’t stop all the cheating but it would reduce it. ‘Rat fraud is real & the proof is in the way they squeal every time legislation such as photo ID is introduced.

fatigue on October 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

We need poll watchers to video tape all the SEIU buses that arrive to compare footage of the same people getting off to vote in different precincts. I’m sure it happens at every election.

I have heard these folks get their voting papers on the bus and go vote as dead people, Micky Mouse, and Donald Duck or who ever ACORN or SEIU fraudulently registered.

Robert Jensen on October 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I am not saying there is not voter fraud, it is sometime being used as a boogeyman to make some people feel better about losing an election.

smokin hot politics on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

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( M U L T I P L E . E X P L E T I V E S )
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You’re right, I feel better already.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:14 PM

OT/…Purdue looks like they might upset OIHO State…at OIHO!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

IIRC, the original plaintiff in the Indiana case was dual-registered in Florida, too. I was, until recently, active duty military and had the very real potential to vote in my home state of Washington and my residence state of Virginia, with little risk of being caught out. That type of fraud cannot be fixed with voter id laws, only by state-to-state coordination of voter rolls.

JeffWeimer on October 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Exactly, a national voter database, it’s not such a big deal and there’s no invasion of privacy. you come to vote, and the staff there enters your name in the database and next to it ‘voted’. And if they try to vote twice, in another state, it will show right away…

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

I am not saying there is not voter fraud, it is sometime being used as a boogeyman to make some people feel better about losing an election.

smokin hot politics on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

So you didn’t bother to read the facts around the Al Franken victory by fraud as linked in the above article, did you?

The only reason to oppose voter ID is the desire to enable fraud. Period. There is no other reason. The counterargument that the reason for voter ID is to suppress the vote is specious. Those very same people that the left claims would be disenfranchised must have ID to obtain welfare benefits, food stamps, or to buy liquor or tobacco products. This is not a high bar being set here; requiring someone to have photo ID to prove that they are who they say they are is just plain common sense.

AZfederalist on October 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything

Forward.

Kenosha Kid on October 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

People who commit voter fraud don’t stand in front of a TV news station and brag about it.

Just another of those lib moments when they bury their heads in the sand (or up their posterior) and claim to see nothing.

GarandFan on October 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

So you didn’t bother to read the facts around the Al Franken victory by fraud as linked in the above article, did you?

The only reason to oppose voter ID is the desire to enable fraud. Period. There is no other reason. The counterargument that the reason for voter ID is to suppress the vote is specious. Those very same people that the left claims would be disenfranchised must have ID to obtain welfare benefits, food stamps, or to buy liquor or tobacco products. This is not a high bar being set here; requiring someone to have photo ID to prove that they are who they say they are is just plain common sense.

AZfederalist on October 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Thevoter ID thing still doesn’t eliminate the risk of illegals or permanent resident voting. Simply because there’s no requirement to show your permanent resident card when you vote, any other govt pic ID is acceptable, driving licence, military ID, etc…I was a permanent resident till esrly 2009 (when I became cotibut lived in the

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

OT/…Purdue looks like they might upset OIHO State…at OIHO!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

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I just changed the channel . . . . . . . WOW !
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The one game I wasn’t following.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM

OT/…Purdue looks like they might upset OIHO State…at OIHO!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

…spoke too soon!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Buzz off, sh!tbird.

Moose Drool on October 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

…TD…I don’t think he had control and now they tied it!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

OT/…Purdue looks like they might upset OIHO State…at OIHO!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

…spoke too soon!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

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Overtime, Overtime !

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Just pressed submit by mistake and before I had a chance to proofread..so,my point is, you can register to vote based on your driving licence (they ask for your driving licence or the SSN, well, he last four, when you register to vote) and if they put voter ID rules in place you can still id yourself with the driving licence or any other govt issued ID…and you can have a driving licence, or a military ID, etc, yet you are not a citizen and not allowed to vote…many take the risk and vote even if they are not citizens…

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

I live on West Lafayette. Tomorrow’s newspaper will be brutal.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM

That should read in West Lafayette.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

I live on West Lafayette. Tomorrow’s newspaper will be brutal.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Why, what’s going on there?

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Purdue – OIHO Big Ten football game in Columbus. Purdue is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Why, what’s going on there?

jimver on October 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Purdue about to lose a game to Ohio State they had won.

NotCoach on October 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I suspect that some of the voter fraud is now being used to aid in $$ donations by those that otherwise would not be able to donate to campaigns and Dem groups (PACs). We just found out someone registered to vote (as a Dem) in our 21 yo daughters name, and in her name signed up with League of Conservation voters and donated to them.
The AZ Sec of State’s office is making it next to impossible for her to remove her name from the voter roles. Monday morning she goes to the election office in person to file her complaints. I’m betting her name isn’t removed till after the election.

mauioriginal on October 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Ohio State & Purdue:

Wow . . . . . just wow.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Voter fraud in the mind of a Libtard is when a voter votes republican.

Bubba Redneck on October 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

The Purdue coach is not gonna comeback next year.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Voter fraud is an existential problem for the Democrats and for conservative. Without it they cannot win, and with it we cannot get rid of them.

drunyan8315 on October 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

i almost think that the mindlessness of the left on VoterID is to cover for the real fraud.

Seventy percent agree with voter id, so let’s do it. But the left will still support the Machine’s other fraud tools.

leftists want to make sure they ‘count’ the vote….and they deploy hacks on twitter and elsewhere to provide swarms of flies you have to swat away…so the machine can do its business

r keller on October 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Beyond moronic.

Dave Rywall on October 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Expert on same checks in.

Del Dolemonte on October 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

For three years my son was in the Navy. For three years, his name was directly above my name on the polling records. For three years, I did not have to show an ID and for three years I could have voted for him and myself. Needless to say, I did not but for all you liberal social justice weenies that think it is not possible, think again. Oops I am sorry thinking on your own with out dem talking points is impossible. Common sense…just plain common sense and for you so called social justice Christians that complain about the needy and the nursing home folks, get off your butts and help them, don’t rely on government and don’t sit and let cheating happen. Help them get what they need to be able to vote if they are capable….Do you actually think that Christ would want the scales tipped in favor of one party or another….
Read your Bibles and quit listening to left leaning pastors orpriests that cherry pick and twist scripture into what they want and not what God wants. Quit leaving your consciences at home when you vote.

crosshugger on October 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

listens2glenn on October 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

The Purdue coach is not gonna comeback next year.

esr1951 on October 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

…unbelievable!…I think I’m going to have a bad football day today…my son and daughter are at Michigan’s Big House today…and MSU has not done well this year in close games…it may get ugly today!

KOOLAID2 on October 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Ninety-five percent of all missing children cases were reported as suspected runaways (19,048). Abduction cases accounted for approximately 1 percent of the total reports…
I am not saying there is not voter fraud, it is sometime being used as a boogeyman to make some people feel better about losing an election.
 
smokin hot politics on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

 
Interestingly, your numbers mirror almost exactly the nation’s recreational vs. rape/incest abortion numbers, yet the rape/incest banner is held aloft during arguments by supporters to ensure the right to the 95%+ recreational numbers.
 
Funny, that.

rogerb on October 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM

The first place to start: establish a branch of the Justice Department whose sole mission is to investigate voter fraud in federal elections.

ClintACK on October 20, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I am not saying there is not voter fraud, it is sometime being used as a boogeyman to make some people feel better about losing an election.

smokin hot politics on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Like in 1960, when voter and vote fraud on a legendary proportion took place in both Illinois and Texas to give the election to JFK?

Or are you referring to the 1982 Illinois Governor’s election, where 100,000 votes were stolen for the Democrat?

Del Dolemonte on October 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

There is more at play than just voter fraud though, in all this. Once an ID requirement comes out for voting imagine what else that could impact. If someone is getting some type of assistance illegally, then it could jeopardize that as well. My wife saw it all the time when she worked at the bank with people cashing checks (Government ones) they would get irate when asked for picture ID. If you are scamming, any threat you see to it, you’ll fight tooth and nail to stop it.

MarshFox on October 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I am particularly fond of photo ID as well as the PERMANENT PURPLE INK on the forefinger !!!
I kid you not !!!
Sure, lots of back-room ways of voter fraud, but at least someone couldn’t come back as their deceased aunt, later in the day, now could she ??
Jus sayin.

pambi on October 20, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Funny. What if I’ve been witness to voter fraud? Does that still mean it doesn’t exist? Gee, since my mom’s name is next to mine on the register, and she died in August, and I see in November that she signed her name on the register, does that mean a miracle happened or that someone fraudulently voted in her place? Hmmm…

Major Nuisance on October 20, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Here’s what I’ve found just while casually surfing the net with no intention of researching voter fraud:

ILLEGAL DONOR: Woman Who Received Gessler Voter Registration Letter Illegally Donated To Democrats

If Veronica became a citizen in September 2011, what was she doing donating to Colorado Democrats for the year preceding that? Wouldn’t that be illegal?[...]A quick check of donation records in Colorado turns up at least four donations made before she was a legal citizen. Her voter registration is under the name Veronica Fleischer

Charlotte Observer: Group says it found 30,000 dead North Carolinians registered to vote

RALEIGH A Raleigh-based group devoted to reducing the potential for voter fraud presented the N.C. Board of elections on Friday with a list of nearly 30,000 names of dead people statewide who are still registered to vote.

Miami Herald: Some absentee voters in Hialeah probe insist they did not hand their ballots to suspected brokers

More than 60 voters whose ballots were part of this batch told reporters they could not explain how they got there. “I voted, signed and put them in my mailbox,” said Roqueta, one of 14 voters who told a similar story. Sources close to the investigation say the ballots all appeared to have been deposited together, which was why the postal agent who found them alerted police.

From AP: Ark. lawmaker pleads guilty to election charge

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) – A Democratic state legislator from east Arkansas, his father and two campaign workers pleaded guilty Wednesday to conspiracy to commit election fraud after federal prosecutors said the lawmaker’s campaign bribed absentee voters and destroyed ballots in a special election last year.

from MediaTrackersOhio: Voters First Canvasser Arrested for Submitting Fraudulent Petitions

A former Ohio University student paid to canvass for Voters First Ohio petition signatures was arrested August 14 by the Cincinnati Police Department. Timothy Noel Zureick was booked on 22 counts of signing false signatures and one count of election falsification, both fifth-degree felonies.


Also, the RNLA has a good compilation of proven voter fraud dating to November of last year and more. Spread the word and help disseminate the truth

rocksandbroncs on October 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Voter fraud is Republican’s fault. They have never had the guts to deal with it. Terrorists on the other side of the world are easy but terrorists right here is another story.

The GOP has been appeasing Democrat corruption for at least 50 years. And all it gets is more Democrat corruption. It will eventually come full circle, though, because it’s just a matter of time that the Democrats will successfully, and fraudulently, accused the GOP of corruption and begin stealing more and more elections.

Evil cannot be appeased. Anywhere. This “for the good of the country” we need to not pursue A, B or C is a bunch of crap. No! For the good of the country we do!

JellyToast on October 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Could do validation after-the-fact.

Take everyone’s picture (or a thumbprint). Thumbprints could be taken on even mail in ballots. Computer compare them, sort the likely matches high – investigate a percentage. If that percentage averages less than the tightest race, no ID required. As soon as it’s higher, require an ID at the next election (while continuing to measure).

aritai on October 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

To democrats, anything that limits votes to ONE VOTE per actual living, breathing, legally-registered voter is “voter suppression”. Come on, how is obama possibly going to hold onto power if each person is only allowed to vote once?

Pork-Chop on October 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

You need a photo ID to do most anything now.

Exactly how are these folks without the photo ID getting these functions done ?

You’d think that a drive to get everybody a photo ID would be a good idea.

J_Crater on October 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

There is plenty of proof of widespread voter fraud, considering ACORN’s history and the work done by Project Veritas.

http://www.youtube.com/user/veritasvisuals

DanaLynn on October 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Speaking of James O’Keefe, I just got an email from him.

BIG video coming out soon, involving a big name in politics.

Popcorn!

fossten on October 20, 2012 at 8:43 PM

fossten, I’m waiting too! I just heard James O’Keefe speak at the Defending the American Dream Summit in NJ last weekend. His presentation impressed me the most, which is saying a lot considering Michelle Malkin and Dinesh D’Souza were among the other speakers. Based on his presentation there, I’m sure he’s going to deliver!

DanaLynn on October 20, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Very good post.

Cylor on October 21, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Not only should voters have to present ID, I think they should have to take a test proving they know who the top candidates (those running for President in a presidential election)are. I’m amazed at how many people claiming they are going to vote didn’t know that McCain isn’t running this time and that Paul Ryan isn’t Obama’s running mate. Also see how many planning to vote don’t even know where or what “Benghazi” is.

katablog.com on October 21, 2012 at 9:09 AM

The most hilarious part of all this is that 47 states have laws on their books REQUIRING any person over the age of 18 to have ID on them at all times. Duh.

PJ Emeritus on October 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I have to show my ID to vote here in ND.
So?
And this is a state with a population of more old people than young people.
Nobody’s complaining except for Democrats.
Why is that?

Badger40 on October 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The first place to start: establish a branch of the Justice Department whose sole mission is to investigate voter fraud in federal elections.

ClintACK on October 20, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Yeah, I can see the idiot Eric Holder getting all over that.

slickwillie2001 on October 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

After the 2000 election we spent a fortune on “improving access” to the election process. Of course the State Media and the Democrats were never able to find a single person disenfranchised in the 2000 election.

So, unlike voter suppression there is clear evidence of vote fraud, and yet the Democrats refuse to make any attempt to secure the vote?

There is no difference to being stopped from voting, and having a fraudulent vote cancel your own. None. And yet the Democrats are supposedly concerned about the former? Unlikely.

18-1 on October 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Below is a list of just SOME of the problems w/ MN elections:

1 – more ballots than registered voters
2 – more ballots than signatures of Election Day voters (law says to randomly remove excess ballots – not done)
3 – felons led to believe they can vote when they cannot – they should know upon leaving prison: if they can vote and when
4 – dead people on the voter roles
5 – no identification
6 – election judges identified as “r” when they’re “d” and vice versa
7 – Vapor voters – voters who cannot be found after the election b/c of bogus names and/or addresses (including vacant lots).
8 – vouching – no proof of citizenship or residence required.

Photo ID won’t solve everything but it sure will help. A major, private social service agency in MN provides help for people to get new ids (as will the law if it ever gets passed).

44 states have provisional ballots – MN does not and is afraid of them
over 30 states require an ID to vote – MN is not one of them

This list is just a start.

MN J on October 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The controversy over voter ID issue is, at face value, ridiculous! You need an ID to do most things in this country and rightly so. Obviously, it would only help ensure the integrity of the voting process. Our votes are the currency of our democracy.

If you think about it, our nation is destined to fail if we don’t return voter rights to those for whom they were intended. There truly is no way America can continue to thrive without taking that step. Personally, I don’t see it happening, at least not without a civil war. But ultimately, it MUST happen. You can’t have the gimmes having equal say. It defies common sense to a degree that’s offensive, imo.

DanaLynn on October 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I just take note that the people who get hysterical at the mere suggestion of voter id or *any* law that would make it harder to engage in voter fraud or make it easier to identify …

are Democrats.

And the question you have to ask yourself is ….

Why?

Use Occam’s razor here. Don’t go chasing rabbits with them.

philmon on October 31, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Incidentally …. Dennis pretty much came out and said it here:

http://philmon.blogspot.com/2012/10/win-it-by-five.html

philmon on October 31, 2012 at 5:50 PM