Video: Fort Hood massacre not considered a terrorist attack?

posted at 2:41 pm on October 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Help me understand this.  Nidal Hasan has been held for almost three years after shouting “Allahu akbar!” and opening fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, killing 14 and wounding several others.  Almost immediately, evidence arose that Hasan had been in contact with the late and unlamented al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki to discuss the legitimacy of conducting jihad within the American military, a scandal that prompted questions about why the military hadn’t intervened prior to the massacre.  Most people assumed that was enough to consider the massacre a terrorist attack, including me.

Apparently not, however, according to Stars and Stripes.  The Obama administration has thus far refused to consider the November 2009 mass murder a terrorist attack, choosing instead to call it — I kid you not — “workplace violence.” The victims and families of those murdered by Hasan want that changed ASAP:

Victims of the Fort Hood shooting are rallying in a grassroots effort to get the rampage classified as an act of terrorism.

A coalition of 160 victims and family members released a video Thursday detailing what happened at the Texas military base on Nov. 5, 2009, and why they believe it was a terror attack.

In “The Truth About Fort Hood,” victims give testimonials about their experience and express their frustration at the government calling the incident “workplace violence.”

They point out that the accused shooter, Maj. Nidal Hasan, consulted by email with top al-Qaida leader Anwar al-Awlaki about whether an attack against American soldiers was justified to “protect our brothers.” Until his death in an airstrike in 2011, Yemen-based Awlaki was considered one of the United States’ top enemies.

The shooting for Hasan “was his jihad,” Staff Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford, who was shot five times that day, said in the video.

Here’s the video, and it’s heartbreaking:

I’m not sure what possible purpose there is in refusing to call this what it obviously was, which was a lot more than “workplace violence.”  Unlike the Benghazi attack, which took place more than three and a half years into Obama’s term of office, Fort Hood took place relatively early.  Also unlike the Benghazi attack, it would be impossible to hang responsibility for the lack of security on Obama or his administration; Hasan was symptomatically a problem before Obama took office.  The political damage of admitting this to have been a terrorist attack would have been negligible at the time, and probably would be negligible now if not for Benghazi.

Whatever the reason, calling this an example of violence in the workplace is absurdity on an Orwellian scale.  To wait three years to provide official clarity on this terrorist attack is not just wrong, but petty beyond belief.

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Of course this is not “an act of terrorism” it is attribuatble to an internet video.

paulsur on October 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM

End. Muslim. Immigration. Now.

txhsmom on October 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

You are assuming I made an assumption. I didn’t say anything that indicated that at all.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

The Doktor’s back.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Wow, what an excellent and moving video.

Also, let’s never forget the disgusting media’s initial knee-jerk reaction to this attack: Within moments of it, the line from those disgusting scumbags was: “This was undoubtedly a case of post-traumatic stress disorder brought on by Bush’s evil wars.”

I never want people to forget what wretched scumbags the media has been as this war moves forward.

Despicable.

WhatSlushfund on October 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Shave, Try, Shoot, Shovel.

mojo on October 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

You forgot, wrap corps in bacon, then shovel.

I know…terrible waste of perfectly good bacon…

katy on October 19, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I couldn’t care less what the State’s “legal” defintion is for anything. Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Breathtaking! So, you don’t believe in legal ownership of private property.

a capella on October 19, 2012 at 3:37 PM

You are assuming I made an assumption. I didn’t say anything that indicated that at all.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Of course you didn’t sweetie you came in, spewed your ignorant hateful crap and now you pleasure yourself over the attention you are receiving.

Standard dante, the troll that even trolls hate.

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You are assuming I made an assumption. I didn’t say anything that indicated that at all.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Look at your post. You talk about recent events.

Fine, you don’t want to call it terror. OK, let’s call it treason. That’s what it would have been called by centuries of governments if a soldier murdered other troops and civilians with the intent of subverting and/or overthrowing the US government. Would that make you feel better?

Mens rea refers to a defendant’s intent and reason behind his actions. Major Hasan did not “snap.” He didn’t go “postal.” He was in contact with al-Awlaki. He made his allegiance known.

Legally, terrorism has a definition that is different from murder and it involves the reasoning behind the crime. This is no “workplace incident.” Sorry.

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

The Doktor’s back.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I’ve not paid much attention to him/her in the past. Is this typical?

a capella on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Dante, why don’t you define a terrorist attack for us?

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Annnnnnnnd….fail.

Left Coast Right Mind on October 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

The Obama administration has thus far refused to consider the November 2009 mass murder a terrorist attack, choosing instead to call it — I kid you not — “workplace violence.”

Not surprising. That’s what happens when you’re a flaming liberal and have your head firmly planted up your posterior.

GarandFan on October 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Silence, neocon sheeple! You made Ft. Hood yourselves! Don’t you Republicants understand? You’re part of the proooooblem.

Dante in 2012

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I’ve not paid much attention to him/her in the past. Is this typical?

a capella on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Just bring up “native born” or “natural born”, and just who is illegible to be president.

If we get lucky, his fellow birther nutball, emperor norton, will come a along and they will bash each other.

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

The current administration saved millions by not buying vacuum cleaners for all its top officials.
Apparently there is a sufficient vacuum surplus in the leadership.

duncantwn on October 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

There were three and if my post gets out of moderation, I provide a link.

June 1 2009, Little Rock Recruiting station.

dogsoldier on October 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Perhaps you are trying to post links to CNN or CNBC? HA refuses those links as ‘not reliable sources of news’.

slickwillie2001 on October 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I’ve not paid much attention to him/her in the past. Is this typical?

a capella on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Yes. But he deserves the smackdowns he typically gets. Just piss on him and pass on, as they say in Paris.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM

only 18 more days and the nightmare will be over…

RedInMD on October 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

RedInMD on October 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Then we get to experience the new nightmare that will last another two and a half months. Though, we will be able to count down those days too.

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Of course it’s a crime/criminal. Labeling it an act of terrorism doesn’t change that.

rogerb on October 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

test

burrata on October 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Dante is seriously cursed with one-dimensional thinking. First, he makes a stupid claim. Then, in an attempt to defend his original stupid claim, he thoughtlessly writes something even more stupid.

blink on October 19, 2012 at 3:50 PM

That’s a she .
And here she is :
http://www.therightscoop.com/obama-support-believes-romney-is-a-socialist-communist/

burrata on October 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Breathtaking! So, you don’t believe in legal ownership of private property.

a capella on October 19, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Property rights are natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Ed Morrissey — thank you for posting this.

RushBaby on October 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM

I will defer to others with more knowledge but it seems to me that “work place violence” precludes the awarding of Purple Hearts to the dead and wounded as well as causing the injuries not to be classified as “not the result of combat or enemy fire”.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this changed the wounded soldiers’ status with regard to aftercare within the TriCare system as well as changing any monetary benefits from USG issued insurance coverage.

With regard to Major Hasan…dishonorable discharge…then string him up, it’ll teach him a lesson. Oh…and make sure he is wearing pig skin boots, gloves and hat.

TexasEngineer on October 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Property rights are natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

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Epic facepalm.

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 4:01 PM

g the injuries not to be classified as “not the result of combat or enemy fire”.

I typed faster than I composed the sentence. My apologies.

TexasEngineer on October 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Back to Dr. Hasan who, incidentally, since he has yet to be convicted of any crime under the UCMJ, is still a major in the U.S. Army receiving full pay and free medical care for his gunshot wounds (while in custody).

Three years. Three years, and this fluker still hasn’t been convicted and hanged for treason and homicide.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Hopefully Mitt can bring this up on Monday night during the debate…

President Obama: “you took almost 2 weeks to classify Benghazi as a terrorist attack. After 3 years, why does your Administration call the Fort Hood shootings ‘workplace violence’ and not a terrorist attack?”

Khun Joe on October 19, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Back to Dr. Hasan who, incidentally, since he has yet to be convicted of any crime under the UCMJ, is still a major in the U.S. Army receiving full pay and free medical care for his gunshot wounds (while in custody).

Three years. Three years, and this fluker still hasn’t been convicted and hanged for treason and homicide.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Don’t worry… the pay will be forfeited…

Khun Joe on October 19, 2012 at 4:04 PM

burrata on October 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

OMG…you found dante.

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Fine, you don’t want to call it terror. OK, let’s call it treason. That’s what it would have been called by centuries of governments if a soldier murdered other troops and civilians with the intent of subverting and/or overthrowing the US government. Would that make you feel better? Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

But dissent is the highest form of patriotism, dontcha know. Treason is the highest form of dissent, so treason is the highest form of patriotism.

Akzed on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Of course it’s a crime/criminal. Labeling it an act of terrorism doesn’t change that.

rogerb on October 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

That’s true, but there is a very important reason why we must call it what it was:

How can we defeat an enemy if we are afraid to name him?

“The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken” seems to me to be a rather naive approach to fighting one’s enemies. Definitions mean something. (Not that they are enemies, but ‘illegal immigrants’ are more than just ‘undocumented workers.’)

If there had been no signs before his actions at Fort Hood, then maybe “workplace incident” might apply, but there were. In fact, his words and behaviour should have been flashing red lights; yet, he got promoted.

Political correctness kills. We must speak the truth. We must call things what they are. If we cower in fear lest we offend, then we have already lost.

Seriously, look at what has happened in the last month: Our President has apologised to the world for the free speech of Americans and has had one arrested for an alleged probation violation, a misdemeanor, in the middle of the night…by 10 Federal agents…perp-walked him in full view of international camera crews…thrown him into solitary confinement…and denied him bail. Why? Because our rights are less important than the “sensibilities” of Islamists a/k/a members of misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigoted, child-abusing, xenophobic, tribalistic, antisemitic, Christophobic, maniacal, thin-skinned, homicidal, suicidal, totalitarian, 7th century death cult.

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Romney ought to bring this up Monday night and declare that upon his swearing in, he will immediately reclassify this action as terrorism. Just saying it would shame Obama into doing it.

BKeyser on October 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

President Obama: “you took almost 2 weeks to classify Benghazi as a terrorist attack. After 3 years, why does your Administration call the Fort Hood shootings ‘workplace violence’ and not a terrorist attack?”

Khun Joe on October 19, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Answer :
You are wrong Governor.
I called it a terrorist attack right after it happened, after my shoutouts , read the transcripts. Bob…Bob.. read the transcripts….

burrata on October 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Look at your post. You talk about recent events.

Fine, you don’t want to call it terror. OK, let’s call it treason. That’s what it would have been called by centuries of governments if a soldier murdered other troops and civilians with the intent of subverting and/or overthrowing the US government. Would that make you feel better?

Mens rea refers to a defendant’s intent and reason behind his actions. Major Hasan did not “snap.” He didn’t go “postal.” He was in contact with al-Awlaki. He made his allegiance known.

Legally, terrorism has a definition that is different from murder and it involves the reasoning behind the crime. This is no “workplace incident.” Sorry.

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

You are arguing against something that was neither said nor implied. Not by me, at least. But I’m glad you got to force mens rea into the discussion, even though it’s unrelated to my posts. I guess you were just looking for an opportunity to use it, even if no one was arguing it.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

How can we defeat an enemy if we are afraid to name him?

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

That’s the beauty of waging a war against an abstract: The War on Terror. There is no identifiable goal, and it allows for more power and more abuses. And like I said, the sheep are conditioned well, clamoring for everything to be labeled an act of terrorism, ensuring the War will go on.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

That’s the beauty of waging a war against an abstract: The War on Terror…..
Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Do you really think that the koran is an abstract ?

burrata on October 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Labeling it an act of terrorism doesn’t change that.

rogerb on October 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Not true. Obama wanted his term to go down in history.

His trifecta: Domestic policy: “Boot Heal Healthcare Entitlement”. (success!!)
Foreign policy “homeland free of terrorist attacks”. (fail/coverup in progress)
Legacy: “Democrat power in perpetuity” (FAIL)

He is a failed president and his slide to the sewer of history is lubricated with the blood of my neighbors and countrymen. So don’t give me any “labeling” bullsht.

RushBaby on October 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

SDP

Standard dante Procedure…sneak back to make what you think are important points when those who skewered you are gone. All the while ignoring what was asked of you.

coward

cozmo on October 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM

That’s the beauty of waging a war against an abstract: The War on Terror. There is no identifiable goal, and it allows for more power and more abuses. And like I said, the sheep are conditioned well, clamoring for everything to be labeled an act of terrorism, ensuring the War will go on.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Really?

Today: The enemy is radical Islam.

Cold War: The enemy was the Soviet Union and its satellites.

WWII: The enemies were Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

WWI: The enemies were Germany, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire.

You see, that’s the beauty of naming the enemy, you know whom to shoot.

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM

You are arguing against something that was neither said nor implied. Not by me, at least.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Then, tell me, was Fort Hood a “workplace incident”?

If so, why?

If not, why?

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Dante’s playing Rhetorical Games again and reveling in all the attention.

kingsjester on October 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Dante’s playing Rhetorical Games again and reveling in all the attention.

kingsjester on October 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

If you click on the hyperlink in Dante’s name, you will be directed to Tom Woods’ website “Liberty Classroom.”

I suspect that “Dante” is a standard-issue anarch-capitalist, uber-libertarian Paulbot.

ManlyRash on October 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Forget about illegal Latinos. We need to deport all muslims in America before they destroy us from within.

maryo on October 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

ManlyRash on October 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM

He is. He has proven in the past that he’s just here for attention and disreuption.

kingsjester on October 19, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I get back from a client call
and see
Good Ol Dante Paul boot licker
has arrived.
heh..talk about sheep…Paulbots-hmmpf

bazil9 on October 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

This creep, Hasan, should have been subjected to the firing squad long ago. When we were a sovereign country, that would have happened immediately.

maryo on October 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Inconsistencies …

The administration says there is no “Global War on Terror” … however, they continue to award military servicemembers two medals that contradict that … (a) The Global War on Terror Service Medal and (b) The Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal.

How can this administration SAY that there is NO GWOT while at the same time awarding medals to servicemembers who are participating in one?

Second – the Navy changed the Jack on all combat ships after 9-11. The jack that all Navy ships fly now is the red / white Gadsden (Don’t Tread On Me). That jack was put up with the intention of it being hauled down when the GWOT was over (and won). It flies today still – if the GWOT is over, why hasn’t Obama ordered that jack to be hauled down?

And now I get to the Ft Hood massacres – which were a terror attack. Well, if they were a terror attack then these men and women should have received Purple Hearts for their injuries. The administration has not allowed this.

Now – we can all say “The Hell with Obama” … but, boys and girls – the GOP also could have done something about this and, true to GOP fashion, they start work but never finish it …

And that is … Senate Bill S316.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.316:

This would award the Ft Hood victims the Purple Heart – which is awarded for COMBAT injuries (not work place violence).

How many of you have heard of it? Not many I’m guessing – because after introducing it and receiving push back from Dims – the GOP pretty much gave up on it.

Why do you Conservatives who are so enslaved by the GOP allow them to get away with this? This is important – they should be stopping business in the Senate over this bill. They should be on every Sunday morning talk show talking about this bill.

They aren’t.

What they ARE doing though – is continuously trying to pass new internet privacy violations disguised as “internet security acts”.

Why do you let them get away with this?

Just asking.

HondaV65 on October 19, 2012 at 4:39 PM

This creep, Hasan, should have been subjected to the firing squad long ago. When we were a sovereign country, that would have happened immediately.

maryo on October 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

He should have been given the old English punishment for treason.

Hung by the neck, but not until dead. Castrated and disemboweled – and had his entrails and testicles burned in front of his eyes.

Then quartered.

HondaV65 on October 19, 2012 at 4:42 PM

maryo on October 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

He never should have been serving..
but rewarded with promotions.
And a Psychiatrist..I bet he did wonders for those soldiers
that needed counseling.

Red Flags everywhere..but PC prevailed.

bazil9 on October 19, 2012 at 4:42 PM

The last four years have been an Orwellian absurdity. Only 18 more days until we begin to set it straight.

RobertE on October 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM

There is a website,,,thereligionofpeace.com that lists almost 20,000 muslim”terror attacks” around the world just since 9/11 When are people going to get their heads out of their asses/sand and call it what it is. Leftists continually attempt to change the language[semantic infiltration]in an attempt to “change” the factual truth We need to push back on it everywhere we find it. Also, we need to be aware that the musloids do not just hate us, they hate everybody. They are attacking around the world. Wake up people.

retiredeagle on October 19, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Thank you Ed for saying he killed 14, no tthe 13 everybody says. they always leave out the unborn baby that was also killed.

Bullhead on October 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Well, the way I see it , it was indeed ‘workplace violence”….
.
.
.
perpetrated by a cowardly Islamic Jihadi Muslim Terrorist possessed by the Muhammadan Demons of his murderous pseudo-religious Cult of Death.

LegendHasIt on October 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

The WTC was a workplace too

“The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken” seems to me to be a rather naive approach to fighting one’s enemies
Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Some may remember the comic strip Pogo:

We have met the enemy, and he is us

IMHO this is Obama’s problem. He is not going to condemn the ones with whom he identifies

Obama said there were no words to describe [what happened in Libya] but of course there are words. Obama did not want to use those words.

He could not even get himself to use the words he uses against the rich, or display a fraction of the angst his spouse displays against fattening food in school cafeterias.

Obama’s behavior matches the average response of the average american-muslim to, for instance, the bombing of the world trade center, or Ft Hood. They did not run into the streets and demand justice for the American victims, and denounce the perps.

Instead there were a few carefully parsed ceremonial appearances reminding people that islam does not approve attacks on innocents. Since the middle east considers America to not be innocent, and because many, as did bin Laden, believe islam says the families of those who are not innocent are also not innocent, the performances were hollow

If Obama denounces such terror with all his heart, he will have renounced that which he does not wish to renounce

Obama is understandable. Not understandable is the MSM and minions who in the name of power, accept such a president

entagor on October 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

He should have been given the old English punishment for treason.

Hung by the neck, but not until dead. Castrated and disemboweled – and had his entrails and testicles burned in front of his eyes.

Then quartered.

HondaV65 on October 19, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Good grief, man…have you no sense of decency or respect for the rule of law? Hasan must first be tried in a court of law before a jury of peers and found guilty. THEN we go Old English on his Mohammedan azz and, afterward, bury him in a coffin filled with bacon.

ManlyRash on October 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM

You know what makes me so angry about this? Obama once had his airplane buzz Manhattan on a lark. He has abused all the perqs of his office yet accepted none of the responsibilities. And that goes for the SCUM Media as well.

RushBaby on October 19, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Well the sheep are certainly conditioned, clamoring for everything to be labeled a terrorist attack. The State couldn’t be happier.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM

“I Don’t Believe the Judge!”

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2012 at 5:39 PM

slickwillie2001 on October 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Yeah, I had a link to CNN.

dogsoldier on October 19, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Dante’s playing Rhetorical Games again and reveling in all the attention.

kingsjester on October 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Yep. Total sophistry.

Christien on October 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM

What distinguishes, legally, a terrorist attack from, say, a mass shooting or a spree killing?

Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 3:21 PM

If I’m mocking the State, then why would I place any stock in their definitions? They’re the ones who, for example, get to call murdered innocents “combatants” if they were within a strike/kill zone. They’re the ones calling liberty lovers terrorists for having campaign stickers or 10th Amendment stickers on their cars. I couldn’t care less what the State’s “legal” defintion is for anything. This was an attack that took place on a military installation by a member of the military.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Translated: “I refuse to answer the question, because it will make me look even more out of touch with reality than I appear to be now.”

F+

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I will defer to others with more knowledge but it seems to me that “work place violence” precludes the awarding of Purple Hearts to the dead and wounded as well as causing the injuries not to be classified as “not the result of combat or enemy fire”.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this changed the wounded soldiers’ status with regard to aftercare within the TriCare system as well as changing any monetary benefits from USG issued insurance coverage…

TexasEngineer on October 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Correct. No Purple Hearts. Injuries and deaths do not qualify for “combat or enemy fire” insurance or benefits.

“Allahu Akbar” isn’t a war cry. It is just a greeting.

novaculus on October 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Property rights are natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

lol, you really should come visit us on Planet Earth sometime. You might actually like it here.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2012 at 5:46 PM

That’s the beauty of waging a war against an abstract: The War on Terror.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Were the 9/11/2001 attacks on NYC and Washington D.C. “acts of terror”, or were those people who were forced to chose between burning alive or jumping 1,000 feet to their deaths enjoying what they went through?

Z———-

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2012 at 5:49 PM

The disception stems from the president.

StevC on October 19, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I’m not sure what possible purpose there is in refusing to call this what it obviously was, which was a lot more than “workplace violence.”

I hope you are saying this a little tongue in cheek Ed.

The reason he is still taking up space is because to try him risks America having to look into the dark soul of Islam and continue to lie to itself through its teeth about the obvious. Field Marshal Hasan was a nurtured invaluable diversity asset to the Military, groomed/ordered to love and respect Islam while under Bush.

It is an unpleasant Pandoras Box that Muslim subverted America cannot allow to happen. He will probably catch a chill and pass away peacefully in hospital this winter. Perhaps the only consolation will be that he doesn’t get a really big Military funeral.

BL@KBIRD on October 19, 2012 at 6:11 PM

“Allahu Akbar” isn’t a war cry. It is just a greeting.

novaculus on October 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Correct. When slaughtering Daniel Pearl, the mujahiddun quietly said to him “As-salamu aleikum” as they sliced his filthy infidel head off with a dull knife. Conversely, when Abdul meets Ahmad on the Arab Street, they scream “Allahu Akbar!” to one another.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I share the outrage, and agree that it’s preposterous to consider this “workplace violence.” That being said, under US law an attack on our military cannot be considered “Terrorism.”

See 22 USC § 2656f(d)(2)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2656f

(2)the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;

I definitely recall this criticism being levied on President Clinton for calling the USS Cole bombing a “terrorist attack.”

Nevertheless, Barry’s still a wuss.

Medicated on October 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Obviously it’ll be a cold day in hell before I consider an Army Chaplain a “combatant,” or for that matter, any unarmed soldier. Now, the oath of enlistment doesn’t make that distinction, but I can make the distinction in my head just fine. I don’t need a lawyer or US code to explain the difference between civil society and the battlefield, and I was not attempting to incite debate on the definition of a non-combatant. It’s not as though a jihadi is bothering to make the distinction between innocent and infidel… we’re all infidels. I happen to think that anyone who believes they have been given a command by God to destroy me -fits the definition of a terrorist.

Medicated on October 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I haven’t read all the comments yet, so someone else may have mentioned this.

But how can we expect this administration to call the Fort Hood shooting a terrorist act when it is headed by someone who told the UN that we can’t let the future belong to those who would defame Islam? I’d think that calling jihad terrorism would meet Obama’s definition of defaming Islam.

LibraryGryffon on October 19, 2012 at 7:05 PM

It’s only been 3 1/2 hours, has Dante provided his personal definition of ‘terrorism’ yet?

Left Coast Right Mind on October 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM

This was an attack that took place on a military installation by a member of the military.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

attack was done by a member who worked for TWO military masters really. a traitor and a terrorist whom you paid through taxes to attack those people.

and you’re still welcome you POS.
yeah I have not forgotten you.

dmacleo on October 19, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I’m not sure what possible purpose there is in refusing to call this what it obviously was, which was a lot more than “workplace violence.”

It’s called politics..he didn’t want a terrorist act on his watch so he pretended like it was a act of violence at work..pretty much the same thing is going on in Libya

what a powerful video..these families aren’t getting any justice from this administration….in Obama’s world their is no islamic terror..it’s just man cause disaster..Islam has nothing to do with it..but wait, he gave a muslim burial to Bin Laden..yeah i want him out of OUR house ASAP

sadsushi on October 19, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Well the sheep are certainly conditioned, clamoring for everything to be labeled a terrorist attack. The State couldn’t be happier.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on October 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Good job.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM

One wonders if all paulbots are as anti-American as dante; or whether he might just be some foul aberration.

I find it hard to believe that all of ronpaul’s followers hate America and despise our military as much as dante does.

Solaratov on October 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Property rights are natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Who says so?

btw: You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on October 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Three years. Three years, and this fluker still hasn’t been convicted and hanged for treason and homicide.

spiritof61 on October 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Contrast to the German saboteurs caught in America during WW2…tried and hung in less than two weeks. (And, NO “POW status”).

Solaratov on October 19, 2012 at 8:39 PM

It is amazing and sad that on a supposed conservative site, populated by those who supposedly admire the Founding Fathers, that people are entirely ignorant of natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I am ashamed that this walking rolling diaper stain is still allowed to wear the same uniform as I. Where is the justice that our brothers and sisters in uniform and their families deserve? It’s represented by an empty seat in the white house more concerned with political correctness than doing whats right.

Gunner105 on October 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I think some here… all too many in fact, don’t mind much the erosion of their rights, as long as the guy(s) taking them away have an (R) after their name.

And Hot Air hasn’t been a ‘conservative site’ since MM sold it and departed. While there are still some good conservatives left and a few good libertarians, what we got here is a preponderance of slightly right of center populists.

Some not that way by choice, but out of desperation, hanging their hopes on anyone who might save them from 0bama, so they jump on the bandwagon that a year ago they despised, and try to present a united front.

LegendHasIt on October 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

It’s because Obama doesn’t want us to know muslims are waging a war against the US and the non-Islamic world in general. If the stupid Americans were to connect the dots between 9/11 Fort Hood, 7/7, Mumbai, Beslan, Madrid and the nearly 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, we’d realize Islam is today’s Nazism and needs to be defeated.

Obama being a closet muslim or at least a big fan of Islam wants to do everything he can from letting us figure it out. This is why he also blamed the youtube video for Benghazi and notice how well it plays into the muslim victimhood narrative even when muslims are attacking, rioting and killing people?

As soon as Obama is booted out of office, the country will begin to heal, the rise of the oceans of ignorance will begin to slow…

thinkagain on October 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

It is amazing and sad that on a supposed conservative site, populated by those who supposedly admire the Founding Fathers, that people are entirely ignorant of natural rights.

Dante on October 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

So…you are unable to answer the question. Why is that?
You didn’t just make it up did you, lefty?)

And…You are STILL an idiot.

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This site can’t be too conservative. After all, we allow you and your fellow leftist trolls free rein to spew your idiocy at will.

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on October 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM

How can we defeat an enemy if we are afraid to name him?
 
Resist We Much on October 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

 

So don’t give me any “labeling” bullsht.
 
RushBaby on October 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM

 
Don’t take offense that I didn’t respond directly. I’m experimenting with natural rights.

rogerb on October 19, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It’s because Obama doesn’t want us to know muslims are waging a war against the US and the non-Islamic world in general.

thinkagain on October 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

If Hasan’s jihad were to be classified as a terrorist attack, that would mean that a successful terrorist attack occurred on U.S. soil on Obama’s watch. No way he’s going to admit that.

malclave on October 19, 2012 at 11:31 PM

A crazed gunman killed dozens and wounded scores more. University campus, Denver movie theater or US military base? We must be cautious of falling into the trap of parsing such acts by intent lest we fall into the greater trap of thinking one is of lesser import than the other, thereby creating ‘special circumstances’ and solutions to deal with different crimes. PATRIOT act, anyone?

LizardLips on October 20, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I’m sure if you asked Candy Crowley. She would say Obama called it terrorism the very next day..in the rose garden no less.

vcferlita on October 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM

What pisses me off is the fact that these soldiers that were injured or killed by the mooslim traitor don’t get the benefits they deserve as long as this act of terrorism is called a workplace violence incident.

How f’d up is that?

jaimo on October 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

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