Obama car czar: You have to go back to the 30′s to find economic performance this bad

posted at 12:01 pm on October 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

A couple of weeks ago, Jazz Shaw wrote that conservatives should consider Morning Joe a good forum to have for moderates and independents that tune into MSNBC to get some semblance of the truth.   We’ve already noted Mark Halperin’s cutting criticism of Team Obama’s “Bindergate,” and this is another piece of data that these viewers would not have heard had MSNBC scheduled a Hardball/Rachel Maddow clone for this slot.

Steve Rattner, the former “car czar” for Barack Obama, explains why voters may have narrowly given Obama the edge in the debate on Tuesday night, but give Mitt Romney a 31-point advantage on the economy.  You have to go all the way back to the 1930s, Rattner explains after Willie Geist presses the point, to find a President with a worse record on economic growth in a first term:

We’ve talked about this for months, but the word needs to get out to voters who haven’t yet made a decision.  That’s  what makes Morning Joe and Joe Scarborough valuable.  When they focus on the hard data, it makes the decision a lot more obvious to all the right people.

That’s why Obama’s edge in polling on debating style won’t matter.  Karl Rove makes the same point today in the Wall Street Journal, writing that Obama may have “won” the debate, but he’s losing the argument:

After the debate, CNN found that Mr. Romney came out ahead on the essential question of who was better for handling “the economy” with 58% to Mr. Obama’s 40%. This was an improvement from Denver, when the Romney advantage was 55%-43%. So Mr. Obama continues to run behind on the all-important argument over who offers the better prospect of a stronger economy, greater prosperity and serious deficit reduction.

This goes to the essential flaw in Team Obama’s strategy. The president and his advisers have been so intent on disqualifying Mr. Romney that they have done a miserable job defending the president’s record and virtually nothing to frame a second-term agenda. Meanwhile, according to Pew Research Center polls conducted in mid-September and early October, the president’s favorability ratings among all voters have declined to 49% from 55%.

And while Obama did get a slight edge in those debate polls, election polling tells a very different story with less than three weeks to go:

Gallup reported on Sept. 9 that only 30% of the public is “satisfied” with the condition of the country. The Oct. 13 Washington Post/ABC poll found that 56% think the country is “off on the wrong track.” The rates of unemployment, second-quarter GDP growth and labor-force participation are all worse than they were three weeks before any modern presidential re-election. Mr. Obama’s status-quo, stay-the-course campaign will be a hard sell with a public that wants change.

That’s reflected in polling data. Mr. Obama led 49.1% to 45% in an average of national polls conducted about one week before the candidates’ first debate. In national surveys taken since then, Mr. Romney averages 47.4% to Mr. Obama’s 46.9%. The Republican candidate continues to lead among independent voters. In eight recent national polls, an average 49% of the likely independent voters say they support Mr. Romney, while 37% favor Mr. Obama.

On Monday Mr. Romney reached 50% in Gallup’s daily tracking of likely voters—something Mr. Obama has not yet been able to do. No other presidential candidate has been at 50% or higher at this point in the race in this survey and lost.

Records matter.  Economic despair matters.  If one candidate chooses to ignore a stagnating economy in an election bid, especially an incumbent, it catches up to him sooner or later.

Update: Timothy Dalrymple agrees that debate “performance” has become irrelevant after the first event in Denver:

Put it this way.  When it comes to Obama, most people’s minds are made up.  45 percent are going to vote for him.  45 percent will not.  Of the remaining ten percent, Obama has had four years to close the sale and he has failed.  If those 10 percent believed that Obama’s record as President warranted another four years, they would not be undecided.  The primary reason they’re undecided is because they’re still assessing Romney.  If people see a version of Obama that’s arrogant, petulant and stammering, that will have a slight negative effect, but it won’t sway people’s opinions too much.  And the upside of a rousing debate performance is extremely limited, because we’ve heard it all before from President Obama.

In other words, Romney soared in the polls after Denver not because Obama performed so poorly but because Romney himself performed so well. …

The Obama campaign spent a great deal of money immediately after the conclusion of the Republican primaries because they wanted to “define” Romney.  And the press went along with it.  They made out Romney to be a heartless robber baron who just (for some reason) wanted to kill puppies, destroy American jobs and make his rich friends richer.  It was ridiculous, but it was working.  And when Romney not only delivered a virtuoso performance on the Denver stage but showed the American people who he is and what he cares about, I think a lot of the American people realized that they had been sold a false bill of goods.

That means that Obama’s continued assault on Romney’s record and character will have a limited effect.  The Left was clamoring for Obama to go on the offensive, but that’s the last thing he needs to do.  No one trusts that Obama will accurately represent Romney.  And the American people understand intuitively that a strong President would be running on his own record, his own accomplishments, his own vision — not on scaring people away from a caricatured version of his opponent.  Obama can keep on attacking Romney, but the American people just don’t believe him anymore.

I’ve said all along that the real inflection point for this election would be the first debate — when Romney got to stand on stage with Obama and demonstrate whether or not he could connect with voters and get his message past the media filters.  Obama’s collapse in Denver only made the contrast between them more obvious, and that’s a bell that simply cannot be unrung, and certainly not with the same tired strawmen that Romney torched in the first debate.


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Lost.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I’m not convinced 45% will vote for 0 in the end.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

42% ?

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Records matter. Economic despair matters.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Nice read.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Some people are feeling so desperate these days that rolling the dice seems like a good path to follow.
 
bayam on October 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

rogerb on October 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM

0 will do no better then 18 states. My take.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I’m not convinced 45% will vote for 0 in the end.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Really? I think he’s toast, but even I’m not that optimistic. I think it’ll be like 2008 with the parties reversed.

Doughboy on October 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

referendum election – ABO

screwauger on October 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

If I didn’t know better I would swear that TFGRP is a retard who is so economically unqualified that I wouldn’t trust him to properly change a dime for pennies.

Bishop on October 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Obama car czar: You have to go back to the 30′s to find economic performance this bad

Obama to dismiss this as the words and actions of a disgruntled former employe in <a href="Barack Obama and the Green Revolution Losers…“>A321….

Candy Crowley graduates from the Joesph Goebbels school of Journalism.

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Quick! Bring in the PSGPs (portable styrofoam Greek pillars)! That’ll show ‘em who looks presidential or not.

parke on October 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Really? I think he’s toast, but even I’m not that optimistic. I think it’ll be like 2008 with the parties reversed.

Doughboy on October 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Just a fe3w short days and we will know. My opinion here is based on two things primarily, anecdotal evidence, and historical evidence. One is verifiable the other is speculative. Many folks in my world are very disaffected. Liberals included. It is reminding more and more of 80.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Sorry about the 3. few

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Sorry about the 3. few

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Grammar typo Nazi…. ;p

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I heard Bill Clinton is trying to get his hands on the binders “full of women.”

perroviejo on October 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Rattner was honest!

BTW I know Hot Air has to make money, but these autoplay ads make it impossible to listen to video and/or read the text.

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I already watch MJoe on a semi-basis.

When I hear Joe watched the debate with Ari Emmanuel, I don’t think he deserves my time. It shows Joe’s moral compass is lost at sea.

Disgusted by the current television entertainment world?

Thank Ari.

budfox on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

If I didn’t know better I would swear that TFGRP is a retard who is so economically unqualified that I wouldn’t trust him to properly change a dime for pennies.

Bishop on October 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

What does ‘TFGRP’ mean?

justltl on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Just a fe3w short days and we will know. My opinion here is based on two things primarily, anecdotal evidence, and historical evidence. One is verifiable the other is speculative. Many folks in my world are very disaffected. Liberals included. It is reminding more and more of 80.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Fun fact:

In the 1980 electorial landside by Reagan in which he won 489 electorial votes, his popular vote was 50.75%.

WisRich on October 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

That’s what makes Morning Joe and Joe Scarborough valuable.

Barely. The Ratio of Joe Scarborough getting it right is like 10:1.

portlandon on October 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Sorry about the 3. few

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

5 minute penalty for numberspeak, with 2 minutes added for the misspelling.

TexasDan on October 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

What does ‘TFGRP’ mean?

justltl on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The First Gun Running President.

CurtZHP on October 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Some people are feeling so desperate these days that rolling the dice seems like a good path to follow.

bayam on October 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

rogerb on October 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Don’t worry, the real one will be here shortly, after getting some TP from Paulie Krugman.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

CurtZHP on October 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Ah!
Thank you!

justltl on October 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

The government spends 25% of the federal budget to people for doing nothing……

He wants to take money from productive people and give it to Obama zombies.

Let’s cut all the federal programs and federal employees that run these give away programs…..

Let the private sector take care of the needy.

redguy on October 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It’s like this, you can say Obama “won” the debate because of the mechanics of the thing, he got the last answer in 8 of 11 times and spoke longer.

He didn’t however, make any points that would make people vote for him. That’s why Romney got all the substantive points.

Liberals suffering from the liberal pathology (the 99%) see it as some sort of horse race, not as an exchange of ideas.

joeindc44 on October 18, 2012 at 12:22 PM

42% ?

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

28%

Seven states.

not including NH or Maine.

dogsoldier on October 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Obama car czar: You have to go back to the 30′s to find economic performance this bad

… and you have to go back to the late 1970′s to find a POTUS this bad…

Khun Joe on October 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

A disturbance in the Force, I feel. Real, it is. Circling the drain, Obama is. Feel the bus, he will.

Wyznowski on October 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

+++++++

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

+++++++

Comment of the year winner. This is why I stay away now for the most part. Plus the super-long load times caused by all of the garbage in the background.

oldroy on October 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

OJ won his court case, but lost the argument.

faraway on October 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Indies aren’t watching Morning Joe. Joe Scarborough is a useful idiot for the left.

Man, Ed’s getting squishy.

BKeyser on October 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I was just watching Obama at a campaign stop touting his record of economic achievement. I was surprised to learn that the auto industry is booming, all of the bailout money has been returned, housing prices are getting much better, small business is growing and creating millions of new jobs. Wow. Also, Romney won’t reveal what’s in his economic plan until after the election (this coming from the same people who said we will have to pass obamacare to find out what’s in it). I also watched as the dulled eyed sheep sitting behind him applauded and laughed. Forget Disneyland, I want two (free, of course) tickets to Obamaland. If I am going to be taken for a ride, I at least want to have some fun while doing. Any suggestions as to what we should name the rides in Obamaland?

bandutski on October 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

States forever entrenched into acute progressivism; California, New York, Illinois. 104 electoral votes never to be had by anyone sane.

Dasher on October 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The preference cascade that really counts is in the swing states. We’re seeing the first cracks in FL, NC, and VA. As the Obama campaign retreats to conserve resouces and circles the wagons around fewer, the remainder take note. Bandwagon time. I doubt the foreign policy debate can help Obama in any way,..at the very best, it’ll be a push; at the worst, Benghazi, Iranian nukes, Iraq’s regression, Afghanistan, Putin, Israel, and a supine policy towards the islamists will tip the scale. That is not including any more Benghazi land mines yet to go off or Mitt managing to get a discussion of Fast and Furious into the conversation.

a capella on October 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Feel the bus, he will.

Wyznowski on October 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Poetry! Sheer poetry!

CurtZHP on October 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

One other point anecdotal to be sure. I spoke with someone on the telephone this morning. He is up North. Folks up North apparently burn fuel oil to heat many of their homes. The fuel men are starting to show up and top off or fill tanks. The bill my friend received was not favorable to 0. Unless you are really into 0′s.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

If I am going to be taken for a ride, I at least want to have some fun while doing it.

I know how much people hate grammatical errors so before I get any grief, I corrected this sentence.

bandutski on October 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I dunno, sometime Illinois elects republican governors and senators, right? So they can go for Romney as well. Right?

joeindc44 on October 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

42% ?

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Fools.

Obama WINS with with 98.6% of the vote.
Just like Chavez.

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Then get a real browser with ad and popup blockers.
Firefox, Chrome, Opera are all excellent FREE choices.

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

AK 47 lady at debate an Obama campaign worker.
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=44504

And to think she was undecided by CNN’s standards.

pat on October 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

States forever entrenched into acute progressivism; California, New York, Illinois. 104 electoral votes never to be had by anyone sane.

Dasher on October 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I don’t know about New York or Illinois, but if you are betting on Obama carrying California, that is a 50/50 bet at best. Obama is losing the Catholics, Hispanics and Independents (and there are a lot of middle class Christian African-Americans here extremely upset over his Gay marriage stance) here in California by pretty significant margins. California is going to Brady Affect Obama in a serious fashion.

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

We still have to wait til saturday to see what effect the 2nd debate had on the election.
That being said, I just signed up for my first shift as a Romney poll watcher.

Zaggs on October 18, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Even as bad as it looks, this chart is comparing apples and oranges.

If you used the inflation standards used in the pre-Clinton years — which included food and fuel, the adjusted GDP “growth” rate since Obama’s been in office would be NEGATIVE six percent.

logis on October 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

OT
RCP moves NC from Toss-Up to Leans Romney
Romney now leads the EV count 206-201

22044 on October 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

But…but…if Romney’s elected, wimmenses will be forced to use menstrual pads, other than the times they’re actually bearing unwanted children, since Romney will outlaw tampons as well as abortions!!! And Michelle says America will turn mean again if Barry doesn’t win! And the earth will swallow up the earth, then the oceans will cover everything. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

disa on October 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM

In hard economic times, people tend to vote their wallet, not their ideology. As long as Barry continues to stonewall on his future “economic plans and policies”, smart voters will look elsewhere for leadership.

GarandFan on October 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Is it too early to get excited yet?
I’ve said this before, Romney is indeed a liberal republican.
But I’ll take that over the european style socialist in the White House.
I’ll take someone who does indeed honor America vs the apologist who holds American values in disdain.
I’ll take someone who won’t throw the coal miners under the bus vs someone who panders to the greenies.
I’ll take someone who supports Israel vs the Muslim Brotherhood.
& I’ll take someone who won’t be playing golf much of his time & the Mrs. going on vacation/spending sprees & charging much of it to us taxpayers.
Go R & R!

Belle on October 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM

42% ?

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

That’s the number I’ve had in mind for Obama’s final share of the vote as well with a 56-42-2 final, a Romney landslide for sure. That said, if the facts alleged in this article about Hillary’s order for enhanced security in Benghazi being thwarted by the WH come to light before the election, we may be in Nixon-McGovern territory.

TXUS on October 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Fun fact:

In the 1980 electorial landside by Reagan in which he won 489 electorial votes, his popular vote was 50.75%.

WisRich on October 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

You’re forgetting Anderson. Don’t know it off the top of my head, but what was Carter’s total? Didn’t slick Willie earn less than 50% even in ’96?

adurb44 on October 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

pat on October 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Happily, Obama obliged her by charging headlong into the assault weapons ban issue.

a capella on October 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM
+++++++

Comment of the year winner. This is why I stay away now for the most part. Plus the super-long load times caused by all of the garbage in the background.

oldroy

Agree! Thanks PattyJ for bring this up.

Typicalwhitewoman on October 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Any suggestions as to what we should name the rides in Obamaland?

bandutski on October 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Debt Mountain.
Ride in sacks of money for the big finale over the ‘Fiscal Cliff’.

Land of Tomorrow.
Which looks like England of Dickinsons time. no gas, no cars, no food.

The BidenHorn.
ride a coaster while Joe hollers “Its a bif Effing Deal” and “My kids are ENTITLED to surgeries”

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

When looking at the economy, I say:

Give the majority of the economic credit/blame to the party which controlled a majority (2+ out of 3) of the House, Senate, and Presidency for any given Fiscal Year.

Republicans held the majority January 3, 1995 – January 3, 2007 and were responsible for the FY 1996-2007 budgets.

Democrats have held the majority January 3, 1995 – present and were responsible for the FY 2008-2013 budgets, although they have not officially passed a budget since the Pelosi-Reid-Obama FY 2009 budget which produced a deficit more than 8 times the size of the FY 2007 budget produced by a Republican Congress and President Bush just 2 years earlier!

Look at the numbers put out by the White House Office of Management and Budget: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z1.xls

FY 2009 Pelosi-Reid-Obama Deficit: $1,412,688 Million ($1,413 Billion or $1.41 Trillion)
vs.
FY 2007 Repubican-Bush Deficit: $160,701 Million ($161 Billion, or $0.16 Trillion)

The Democrats’ FY 2009 deficit was 8.79 times the size of the Republicans’ FY 2007 defict!

Really let that sink in…

FY 2007 Republican Deficit: less than $161 Billion

FY 2009 Democrat Deficit: more than $1,412 Billion, over $1.4 TRILLION!!!

Now compare the average deficits from the 12 continuous years of Republican majority control to the last 5 years of Democrat majority control…

The average FY deficit with a Republican majority FY 1996-2007 was $104 Billion per year.

The average FY deficit with a Democrat majority FY 2008-2012 has been $1,158 Billion per year ($1.158 Trillion)

The average FY deficit with a Democrat majority FY 2008-2012 has been OVER ELEVEN TIMES the size of the average FY deficit with a Republican majority FY 1996-2007!

$1,158 Billion per year ($1.158 Trillion) > 11 Times $104 Billion per year.

Democrats in 2006 and 2008 ran on a platform of “fiscal discipline” and promised “no new deficit spending”.

Instead, they sent deficit spending through the roof.

ITguy on October 18, 2012 at 12:42 PM

adurb44 on October 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM

On election day, Reagan overwhelmed Carter, winning 51 percent of the vote to Carter’s 41 percent. Anderson had less than 7 percent of the vote but siphoned support from Carter in states such as New York and Massachusetts, enabling Reagan to carry these states and win an electoral landslide. Reagan won 489 electoral votes to Carter’s 49.

kingsjester on October 18, 2012 at 12:42 PM

That said, if the facts alleged in this article about Hillary’s order for enhanced security in Benghazi being thwarted by the WH come to light before the election, we may be in Nixon-McGovern territory.

TXUS on October 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I see what you mean.

a capella on October 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Obama’s “winning the debate” is like having the winning cake recipe in a contest, only to have the cake flop when it’s actually tried in a real oven.

Don L on October 18, 2012 at 12:44 PM

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM
The BidenHorn.
ride a coaster while Joe hollers “Its a bif Effing Deal” and “My kids are ENTITLED to surgeries”

I have to re post that one. That’s funny.

bandutski on October 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM

This is from the headlines, and may roll off the main page without becoming a main story, so I wanted to put a link to it from here so more people see it:

WH: Obama will veto “fiscal cliff” compromise if it doesn’t hike taxes on the rich

ITguy on October 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Oh my! He needs medication…

“I’m still trying to figure out how to get the hang of this thing (presidential debates). We’ll keep on improving as time goes on.”

- Barack Obama, yesterday

The next and LAST debate is in 4 days. How much time does he think that he has left in which to improve?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219392/Obama-just-starting-figure-presidential-debates-Mitt-Romney-extends-poll-lead-6-points.html

Resist We Much on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

1930′s ?? Ford didn’t take any government hand outs back then. Henry Ford said in effect, keep the people working, they will take care of the economy. More accurately, lay off workers then they will not have money to by my cars. When will government ever learn from history.

jpcpt03 on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

One other point anecdotal to be sure. I spoke with someone on the telephone this morning. He is up North. Folks up North apparently burn fuel oil to heat many of their homes. The fuel men are starting to show up and top off or fill tanks. The bill my friend received was not favorable to 0. Unless you are really into 0′s.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

The Port’s of Los Angeles and Long Beach represent the largest influx of international trade goods and imports in America. As well as the largest exodus point of American Exports. 90 percent of everything that goes in or out of L.A./Long Beach goes out or comes in in a SeaTrain cargo container. 70 percent of those Cargo containers are shipped across country on trucks.

What does this have to do with the price of Tea in China you may ask… OK, go ahead and ask…

Ok, since you asked… Diesel currently cost on average $5.00 a gallon in California. With the high near the ports of L.A. and Long Beach of $6.09 a gallon.

When the price of diesel goes up…. So does the price of everything else. Hold on to your wallet asses, because this ride is about to get seriously bumpy…

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Judging by the mental meltdowns happening on the left (Binders…nuff said) this preference cascade is just going to keep gaining momentum until Nov 6. One of my favorite pundits is Don Surber and he’s sticking with his prediction that Mitt takes 40 states. I have no reason, nor desire to argue with him on this.

What growth there has been is so weak and anemic, it’ll be crushed entirely by Obamacare and the other taxes the dems are just chomping at the bit to impose.

CitizenEgg on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

One other point anecdotal to be sure. I spoke with someone on the telephone this morning. He is up North. Folks up North apparently burn fuel oil to heat many of their homes. The fuel men are starting to show up and top off or fill tanks. The bill my friend received was not favorable to 0. Unless you are really into 0′s.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Romney has been running ads here in New Hampshire highlighting how much the cost of heating oil has gone up in the Granite State since O’bamna became pResident. As I recall it’s increased by 51%.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’m not convinced 45% will vote for 0 in the end.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Even if we go with the 47%-grifter argument, I have to hopefully believe that at least 10-15% of the grifters are unfortunate victims of little Bammie’s depression, and truly are ashamed of being grifters and can’t wait to get off the dole and get a real job.

To think otherwise is a black hole of despair.

slickwillie2001 on October 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Obama, worse than Carter.

SparkPlug on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

70 percent of those Cargo containers are shipped across country on trucks.

What does this have to do with the price of Tea in China you may ask… OK, go ahead and ask…

Ok, since you asked… Diesel currently cost on average $5.00 a gallon in California. With the high near the ports of L.A. and Long Beach of $6.09 a gallon.

When the price of diesel goes up…. So does the price of everything else. Hold on to your wallet asses, because this ride is about to get seriously bumpy…

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

And let me guess, the other 30% of those containers are shipped by rail. Which is also diesel-dependent.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

If it’s possible for you, use Firefox browser with the free add-on called Ads Block. It kills all the ads and HotAir and other such sites will start loading in light speed. Also, I got Ads Block Plus, as well, which gives you the ability to kill videos that automatically start on original load or refresh. Hope this helps.

TXUS on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

SparkPlug on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Carter on steroids.

kingsjester on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I was going to suggest Eric Holder’s House of Horrors but with a bunch of Black Panthers outside the doors with billy clubs, it wouldn’t be to popular.

bandutski on October 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Increase negative ads by Obama in 5…4…3
last ditch effort to call us racists in short order

cmsinaz on October 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

The dangerous thing is where those 45/45/10 percent of people live, because the election won’t be decided by a national poll, but how those people vote in the states.

William Teach on October 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

clinton never got 50 percent

losarkos on October 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

i gave money to R/R
i voted early for R/R
i post alot for R/R
I have prayed for R/R

losarkos on October 18, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Romney has been running ads here in New Hampshire highlighting how much the cost of heating oil has gone up in the Granite State since O’bamna became pResident. As I recall it’s increased by 51%.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That kind of an increase at this time of year has to hurt. Fresh in peoples minds it will be.

And let me guess, the other 30% of those containers are shipped by rail. Which is also diesel-dependent.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If my understanding of freight rail is correct it is a fairly efficient way to move tonnage.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

And let me guess, the other 30% of those containers are shipped by rail. Which is also diesel-dependent.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Shhhhhhh…. ;) (sorry, I didn’t want to talk about trains… It’s a sensitive subject here in the People’s Republic of Stupidville right now)

SWalker on October 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

AK 47 lady at debate an Obama campaign worker.
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=44504

And to think she was undecided by CNN’s standards.

pat on October 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Can we embrace a slice of Sharia here and stone her?

BobMbx on October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Obama, worse than Carter.

SparkPlug on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

So is the electorate in general. How much we will see.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM

If my understanding of freight rail is correct it is a fairly efficient way to move tonnage.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

It absolutely is.

And just the other day, a gigantic locomotive pulled up in my drive way and delivered some packages to me…the engineer even blew the horn for my kid. Moreover, the VDOT is nearly finished with the private mass transit bus stop in my front yard. My neighbors are really excited because they get theirs next.

BobMbx on October 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

And let me guess, the other 30% of those containers are shipped by rail. Which is also diesel-dependent.

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Don’t fret, Del. Dr. Chiu and his staff are about to roll out a multi-billion dollar loan guarantee program to develop wind-powered locomotives. The tunnel issue isn’t resolved, but hey, thats nothing an $80B loan can’t resolve.

BobMbx on October 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Can we embrace a slice of Sharia here and stone her?

BobMbx on October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Yes, lets.

But shes probably already “stoned”.

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM

That said, if the facts alleged in this article about Hillary’s order for enhanced security in Benghazi being thwarted by the WH come to light before the election, we may be in Nixon-McGovern territory.

TXUS on October 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Is this coincidence? Read the article referenced above and then go to this site.

It would be just like the Clinton’s to spring this just before the Foreign Policy debate.

rlyle on October 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You are right. People are way dumber now. Hopefully they will vote with their wallets cause their brains are mush.

SparkPlug on October 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just use Firefox with AdBlockPlus? And simpler?

Solaratov on October 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Even if we go with the 47%-grifter argument, I have to hopefully believe that at least 10-15% of the grifters are unfortunate victims of little Bammie’s depression, and truly are ashamed of being grifters and can’t wait to get off the dole and get a real job.

To think otherwise is a black hole of despair.

slickwillie2001 on October 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’m the last one to whip Barry’s opponent but 47% was an awful statement. We have no shortage of leeches but there are plenty of honest people in true need among the taxation net-negatives – soldiers, handicapped, retirees, large families, and so on. On the other hand, an awful lot of parasites are very tax positive – like public union members, academia, or urban “artsy crowd”.

Archivarix on October 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM

POVERTY AND DESPAIR.

Welcome to ObamaLand.

PappyD61 on October 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I heard Bill Clinton is trying to get his hands on the binders “full of women.”

perroviejo on October 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I’ve always wondered it he took that cigar back to the WH and smoked it in front of Hillary…

climbnjump on October 18, 2012 at 1:25 PM

would rather pay five bucks a year to subscribe than to listen to these ads over and over again!

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM
+++++++

Comment of the year winner. This is why I stay away now for the most part. Plus the super-long load times caused by all of the garbage in the background.

oldroy
Agree! Thanks PattyJ for bring this up.

Typicalwhitewoman on October 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Go to abine.com and download ad stop tracker and your problem will be solved. h/t Bmore

Barred on October 18, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Go to abine.com and download ad stop tracker and your problem will be solved. h/t Bmore

Barred on October 18, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Lol! Always surprises me how long it takes to get that info out there to the folks. ; )

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The First Gun Running President.

CurtZHP on October 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Damn.

Ward Cleaver on October 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Note: All these numbers have inflation inbred in them!! Carter’s numbers would not look so stellar if inflation were removed.

The economy during Carter’s admin was NOT bubbling along like during Clinton’s !!

KenInIL on October 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I have Firefox, but I will look up the sites you guys mentioned. Thanks.

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I have Firefox, but I will look up the sites you guys mentioned. Thanks.

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

At the risk of being banned. Abine. You owe me lunch. ; )

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I have Firefox, but I will look up the sites you guys mentioned. Thanks.

PattyJ on October 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I run NoScript and AdBlock plugins and never see junk on HA.
Some on yahoo still get thru…

NoScript seems like a PITA until you get used to it, the trick is to remember to enable a site BEFORE you fill out a big form…otherwise you have to do it over(cause it blocks scripts, like form submit).

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM

orbitalair on October 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM

See above. One stop shopping. ; )

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I’m not convinced 45% will vote for 0 in the end.

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Hi there!

I was surprised to see a TV ad for Obama last night here in No Cal.

Why would the O Team be wasting money in CA if it’s a lock?

ccrosby on October 18, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I heard Bill Clinton is trying to get his hands on the binders “full of women.”

perroviejo on October 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM

his prostate disagrees :-)

jimver on October 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM

100

Bmore on October 18, 2012 at 2:44 PM

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